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Don Draper: The Ironic Man
Don's preposterous notions just kill me (I posted this on another thread but figured I'd throw it out there for some thoughts).
1.) Don is still suggesting that Betty see a psychaitrist.....excuse me?? He's the one with the problems too numerous to mention. She sought therapy because of HIM, yet he still doesn't get it. His lousy background needs to be addressed.
2.) Don calling Betty a "whore". Oh...OK....so all his whoring around doesn't count. Again, Don needs the shrink.
3.) He accuses Betty of "building a life raft" to get out of their marriage...referring to his discovery of Henry Francis. Um, wasn't that what Don did in Korea? Didn't he adopt the identity of another soldier to escape and grab a new life?
4.)Don tells Roger that he never saw himself working in a (classy) place like Sterling Cooper. No kidding! That's because he's lucky to have gotten this far riding on the back of a stolen identity and he knows it.....same reason he isn't too too mad at Betty for jumping ship (he lied his way into her life in the first place, the schmuck)
5.) Don didn't like Conrad Hilton "playing" with him?? Yet Don fails to see how he plays with the lives of others, especially Betty's....yet she's supposed to suck it up like nothing ever happened. Now she's a "Mainline Brat" for speaking up against the lies.
Yep, Jolie, couldn't agree more...Don/Dick is the worst case EVER of the pot calling the kettle black.
What a mess....as we've posted (and many other Maddicts have as well in the past)....he is definitely a very HOT mess, but a mess just the same.
Not that Betty isn't also, in her own special, stuck up way! lol
Well, we've got another looooong off-season upon us....sigh
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I was pretty stunned too when he suggested that Betty see a shrink. Boy, he's got a set of brass ones! It is his secretive way of living life, not sharing with her or being open that causes much of her frustration.
He suffers from the usual male malody that says it's OK for him to do what he wants, but she has to be nuts not to go along with it.
He's got his little nest egg in the form of all that cash in the locked drawer. A lot of women would have cleaned him out, but Betty put the money back and took the box of secrets out to confront him. I think she has every right to pursue life with a man where she feels she can have a more open, joyful life. Good for her.
Great, great ending for the season. I loved it. This is a great show.
@Jolie: Succinct and to the point. Don't psychologists and psychiatrists call that projection?
I'm with you on the Don needs the shrink!
Yeah, Don's comments to Betty were upsetting! But they're in line with his personality. He's always treated people the worst when he feels backed into a corner. We've seen him do it to Peggy several times this season.
Although it was uncomfortable to watch Don talk so harshly and unfairly to the wife he's mistreated, I appreciate the realistic portrayal of anger and hurt. People often lash out visciously in these situations. But by the end of the episode, Don regains his reason, probably recognizes some of his own culpability, and tells Betty he won't fight her. He might be doing this to make up for the way he's treated Betty, to make things easier on his children, and/or to appease Betty because of the dirt she has on him. Whatever the motive, this too seemed in line with Don's character. Once he's accepted a reality, he rolls with it.
The nerve of Don to call Betty a whore!!!! Look in the mirror buddy!!!
Great comments. I agree, Gwen72, that Don eventually understands the consequences of his actions. And, he does love his kids enough to smooth things over. Don adores his kids and his work, and there doesn't seem to be room for anyone else...for now.
I go back and forth between really admiring Don to wanting to kick him in the ass. That's what makes his character so interesting and I admit I'm gonna miss the handsome chump until next season.
I'm disappointed Betty didn't call Don out on the shrink. She knew he was in cahoots with her last one, and yet she never called him out on it. I thought her line was great (about having to be sick to want out) but I really wished he knew that she found out about the phone calls as another reality snap and reminder of his betrayal.
That event in the bedroom when he confronted her was so right on for that time (the 60s). I think because women are so outspoken today we can't even imagine that confrontation but it was more common then we think back then. The women was always made out to be the one with the issues. She should just shut up and live with it cause heck he gave her everything she every wanted right? Wow how times have changed.
If Don had been sober when he used the "whore" appellation, she could have come back with, "Am I? If so, you know all about my kind of woman then, don't you?"
Ironically, he yanked her out of bed and off her Madonna pedestal that night. He actually saw her as a real woman at that point but then wimped out on the phone Monday afternoon. If they'd been that honest with each other five years earlier...
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