I am sensing suicide from Dr. Rapist. He has that desperate/inwardly tortured way about him, and now the Army! I'm placing all bets that he's a goner, opening that fabulous door for Joan & Roger to reunite. Sweet dreams!

I am sensing suicide from Dr. Rapist. He has that desperate/inwardly tortured way about him, and now the Army! I'm placing all bets that he's a goner, opening that fabulous door for Joan & Roger to reunite. Sweet dreams!

I am sensing suicide from Dr. Rapist. He has that desperate/inwardly tortured way about him, and now the Army! I'm placing all bets that he's a goner, opening that fabulous door for Joan & Roger to reunite. Sweet dreams!

I think you are right, BoyToy. I don't see him enjoying Army life, even as a surgeon and a Captain. He is always going to be disappointed in what life offers him. Throw in the trauma of war, and he is a goner. Hope it happens sooner rather than later.

Did you notice in the preview the scene where Jane is talking to someone and says something about "you are always doing things for her"...I am thinking she finds out about Roger trying to help Joan and is not happy about it.

I totally agree. It was amazing when Joan threw that vase! Wow. I think Dr. Rapist is either going to get killed in Vietnam or maybe kill himself, yeah.

Whoopee.....a vase of flowers is good too (in lieu of a cast iron skillet!)

Whatever works!

YayJoanie!

He may have no idea that Viet Nam is right around the corner.....and Joan will be an Army wife left at home. When will the real Prince Charming ride into her life??? And I can't see Roger ditching Jane. That would really make him feel like a creep.

Hi everyone!

I was thrilled to see Joan give it to him with the vase! I guess they have a love/hate thing going on!

I am kind of p'd off that we are supposed to believe that an inept surgeon could be considered for some of the most difficult surgery in a horrific setting!

Oh, this guy sucks in the US, but, he is good enough to perform life saving trauma surgery on our troops in Vietnam?

The surgeons in Vietnam were extremely skilled.
As a matter of fact, many of the advances in medical-surgical technology came from war time procedures.

Anyone out there who thinks the Army would have really taken this guy with his reputation?

Agree, all indications point to Jane getting wind of Roger & Joan's friendship. Jane also seems to be going off of the deep end, after all, she is very young, and jumped into this (or Roger's bed!) quite quickly. She may end up in the nuthouse that Peggy visited.

60's child -
The reason the surgeons in Vietnam were good was not because they were the best the Army had to offer. It was the classic, practice, practice, practice. Even if your skills sucked when you arrived in country, you first observed, then got easy cases and next got lots of practice to get good at trauma surgery.

Dr. Greg was still a surgeon and probably a half-decent one. It's just that he was turned down for the top surgical resident position at that hospital. In a case where he had to get that job or leave, his time was up.

Oh, yeah, the Army would have taken him in a heartbeat. Nobody at the hospital's going to tell the Army he didn't have "surgeon's hands." Just that there was someone better for that position.

BTW, if he was shipped over to Germany, he'd get a lot of practice with automobile accident trauma. Lots of young males in their twenties, the Autobahn with no speed limit - an insurer's nightmare.

60's child -
The reason the surgeons in Vietnam were good was not because they were the best the Army had to offer. It was the classic, practice, practice, practice. Even if your skills sucked when you arrived in country, you first observed, then got easy cases and next got lots of practice to get good at trauma surgery.

Dr. Greg was still a surgeon and probably a half-decent one. It's just that he was turned down for the top surgical resident position at that hospital. In a case where he had to get that job or leave, his time was up.

Oh, yeah, the Army would have taken him in a heartbeat. Nobody at the hospital's going to tell the Army he didn't have "surgeon's hands." Just that there was someone better for that position.

BTW, if he was shipped over to West Germany, he'd get a lot of practice with automobile accident trauma. Lots of young males in their twenties, massive quantities of good, high-test German beer, the Autobahn with no speed limit - an insurer's nightmare.

I hate it when the thread takes forever to update. I even hit the F5 key and it didn't show I'd posted it over ten minutes earlier.

Ritt1 is quite correct. First, I don't believe the army has ever been that picky. The best young surgeons get the top jobs in hospitals--they're not going to volunteer for the army and surrender lucrative jobs and positions learning the newest medical techniquest. So if the army needs surgeons and one enlists, they'll take him and not look so closely. And, second, as Ritt1 explained so well, even a bad surgeon can become a better one if he has enough to practice on and is forced to practice constantly. It's likely that the surgeons who went to 'Nam were a mixed bag, some good, some not good, as the Army didn't train them, and the Army had to take what it could get--but by the time they left, they were all very well trained.

And of course, yes, combat always leads to invention of all kinds. Just because some surgeons in 'Nam were good and came up with new medical techniques because, obviously, they had to, doesn't mean that each and every surgeon who went and worked there was the very best and most brilliant.

Keep in mind also that at this point the 'Nam situation has not escalated, and not even the army suspects the kind of swamp the country is walking into. It's the classic situation of "We'll go in, use our superior weaponry, the bad guys will surrender and we'll be out of there." So even if the army was going to be picky, it doesn't need to at this point. There aren't enough wounded in 'Nam to warrant it. That's the irony. There's so few guys in 'Nam that Dr. Rapist honestly thinks he won't even be sent over there.

Oh, and just to add--of course, one can get much better surgeons if one is drafting. The army can and has done that in wartime, where they draft health workers from age 20-44. There's that famous line in M.A.S.H. the movie, where Nurse Hoolahan demands to know "How a person like that (Hawkeye) could get into a position of authority in the army--" and the answer is, "He was drafted." ;-D

At this point (1963), the best surgeons are likely going their merry way to the hospital of their choice, and Dr. Rapist there may be all the Army can get. But once the war and draft start up in earnest, all those great surgeons can be drafted.

"Dr. Cutup" Roger gets the best lines.

Just checking: are we all very accepting (even titillated) on the use of violence? (Vase to the head, suggestion of an iron skillet being "good.").

Oh, it was perpetrated by a woman.

Got it.

Wow. The venom here is toxic!

"Dr. Rapist"
"Whoopee.....a vase of flowers is good too (in lieu of a cast iron skillet!) Yay, Joanie!"
"I am sensing suicide from Dr. Rapist."
"I was thrilled to see Joan give it to him with the vase!"

Um, am I the only one here uncomfortable with the joy expressed at the use of physical violence???

Oh, it was by a chick. I get it!!!

Once again, my original post does not appear until I make a new post. Apologies.

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