Banging my head on the desk.

Known and fully discussed back when that episode aired.

Did anyone know that 723 was the date Don signed the contract?

Or that pantyhose were available in 1963?

I think Rosebud may be saying SHE was married on that same day literally--the day after JFK's assassination. Is that true Rosebud? If so, did people still come to the wedding, was it hard to be festive, etc?

I would love to hear about the impact the assassination had on your wedding day. It will be interesting to compare it to Rogers daughters wedding day. Thanks for sharing.

No, dear Zabadu, I told you ...723 is the number of baby carrots you can stuff into a pair of pantyhose.

Rosebud, if you did get married the day after the assassination, I, too, would like to hear how the day went.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

OK Rosebud....there are now three inquiries and I'll add mine to the list. Please do tell us about your wedding on 11/23/63 and how it all went.

Z & Z Guess what! I managed to get 723 baby carrots into one leg of my pantyhose!

Zab... its OK... its OK.... here, take a sip of this....

Four- Please do tell us about your wedding on 11/23/63 :)

I think I missed a very funny inside joke! Do I need to buy 723 baby carrots to test this theory out?

Okay....I am in.......I definitely want to know how your wedding went the day after JFK's assassination. Everyone with "deer in the head lights kind of look" and/or shell shock...I can't imagine and very curious! How was this for you (being your wedding) Please tell us.

(But I am not sure if this has anything to do with whether the baby is Don's or not??!!)

Now that I get! If one more person asks if Eugene is really Don's baby, my head will explode. Did they watch that episode and see the chronology? Unless you think she had a secret tryst we never saw or learned about before the Cuban Missile Crisis episode when Betty found out she was pregnant and then slept with that guy, why would anyone even ask such a question?

@ betty crocker--I was joking...and evidently it went flat..sorry..I know all about the baby scenario....just trying to be silly...

Anyway..@Rosebud-- just curious about how/if this put a damper on your wedding day...Every girl dreams of what will be their "perfect wedding day"..As I, there are others who are curious how this changed your wedding...Please indulge us...

@Rosebud - I would like hear how that day went for you, as well. I was a sophomore in high school and was in shock that entire weekend, only remember parts of it. It would be great to hear your story.

Baby Eugene is Don's? I thought we all agreed it was the guy in the bar!! You know, the one in pantyhose stuffed with 723 carrots? Of course, this was after Jane's brain tumor operation. Remember?

Jeffe64--I knew you were kidding. I was referring to the people you were joking about. If one more numbnut asks that same question for real, they should be banned from watching MM ever again!

LOL, Zab!

My lands! This means you will be celebrating your forty sixth wedding anniversary in a month. How will you mark this occasion? Will you buy Clorox instead of the generic brand bleach? Maybe splurge and buy Canada Dry Ginger Ale? Or maybe say f*ck it, we only live once and buy a bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue Label Scotch and a convertible BMW?

BTW, love your handle. Care to explain why William Randolph Hearst was so pissed at Orson Wells for using "Rosebud" in Citizen Kane?

Will Roger and Mona cancel the wedding?

Will "Bride-zilla" have a major meltdown....and not care that the President is dead...just that it ruined her Big Day?

Will Jane get totally drunk and spit on Bratty Bride?

What about the poor groom? Gawd!! He's the one we should feel sorry for. The honeymoon should be fairly dismal.

Hello All. Thanks for the comments, and again please excuse my new poster's errors.

I will share with you what it was like Friday and Saturday our wedding day, 11/23/63. And Yes, it became a much more emotional day than for most couples.

First, I was at the bridal shop on Friday picking up my dress, my future husband was picking up his tux, when we heard the news of the President's assasination. You never forget where you were when you heard the news. Rehearsal dinner that night became sad and somber in spite of the happiness we personally were feeling. We all wanted to feel happy but everyone was definitely feeling the effects of the tragedy that day. I even had an Aunt tell me I should postpone the wedding out of respect. My parents explained that much money (we were not rich) and planning had been spent and that posponing the wedding would not change anything.

On Saturday, our priest did comment and asked for a moment of silence during the ceremony. Many of our wedding guests made mention that they were thinking of the president's family, feeling sad for them, but still happy for us. It seems that the music and dancing at the reception made us forget for a while and finally enjoy the evening. We honeymooned in Chicago, and were to return to work on Monday, but that was the National Day of Mourning, so everyone had the day off work.

I truly never had the feeling that my wedding was ruined. Most weddings usually have something happen. It has became just something that happened during mine. I recall feeling at the time such happiness for us, yet at the same time experiencing strong feelings of sadness.

It will be interesting to see how it is handled on the show. There is no way to anticipate the moment of the assination until you are actually in the moment. And then the wedding is to take place the very next day very next day. I can't wait for that episode.

@Rosebud--THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for sharing that with all of us! I couldn't imagine how you and your family handled this situation. Yes, I know weddings are not cheap and would not have been able to cancel/postpone a wedding. I am glad to hear that you were able to have a happy occasion despite it all. I am sure there were many tears of joy and sorrow. How amazing though to have that as your wedding date. It is something that I am sure you are asked to tell all the time. Thank you once again for indulging us all in your very special day. Happy 46th Wedding Anniversary in advance!!

Take care!

WOW Rosebud! That is such an incredible story! Tears of joy and sorrow together...It probably is just as memorable for the guests in a way--you might have helped lighten their grief.

My old boss' son had his bar mitzvah just a few days after Sept. 11, and similarly, they briefly considered canceling it. But it was actually almost "more appropriate" and truly his coming of age to Manhood because his speech was absolutely amazing--the way he incorporated 9/11 into the whole ceremony. It was as if he was the Rabbi, not a 13 year old boy!

It was another gorgeous September day in NYC that day and part of the reception was outside and we could still see the WTC site burning from the restaurant deck. It was wild.

@JeanM---"Who are you?"

Why are you doing this? We are being kind and are very curious and sincere wanting to know about Rosebud's wedding. Please, leave Betty alone, she has done nothing....Why are you even here? We all just want to enjoy each others company, listen to great stories and do what we all love....,that is... talk about Mad Men..

If this isn't your cup of tea...then please be kind or leave!

@jeffe64 - apparently someone wants to be noticed, since this same post has appeared on multipal threads. The best thing to do is ignor it. Remember - "An Empty Wagon Makes the Most Noise".

I meant to say multiple and ignore.

@ chatty pattie- I agree, just saw the same post on other threads... I was just trying to look out for other posters..they have great insights and should not be ignored or attacked........I will just scroll on by...............But to all.. I have your back...Please...Keep posting!!!!

Obese? C-word? Huh? What is your sickness (besides obviously being so right wing and so blind with hatred of anyone who displays even the hint of liberal intellectual bent)? I do take it as a compliment that my posts are effective enough to make trolls heads explode...

And FYI--I'm not as thin as in my younger days, but obese I am not! LOL!

I generally love the other posters on these boards--we are all generally so fun and intelligent, but where in God's name do these trolls come from?? How do they even find these boards? Why do they seem to equate their desire to harass posters with free speech?

Chatty, you are right. Sorry, I just couldn't help myself ;)

Rosebud, what an amazing moment in time to have your wedding-it's like a birth happened, right after a death. It's the continuity of life, and it's why I love seeing babies at both weddings and funerals: it's the cycle of life (don't worry, I'm not about to spring into the cheesy Phil Collins song from 'The Lion King'). A wedding is also a wonderful celebration of life and love. I love weddings!
A life is born (your new life together), while a life passed (JFK assassination). I'm really glad to hear that your wedding proceeded, as usual. It's a gift to hear about it, and that you felt open to share. Thank you so much.

You know guys, when trolls, like Mean Jean show up, we should follow the zoo rules: don't feed the animals (trolls). It's comical, about Jean's vitriol: she tells someone else to get a life, when clearly, you have to be a pretty sad little person, who lacks imagination and friends, to run around anonymously insulting people on a message board. Think about this: this sad Jean troll is CHOOSING to be cruel-how pathetic! Goodness, I can only guess how ugly she got towards me, on the post thread I started, about my reactions to Sunday night's episode, because one of the threads was pulled completely! Get a life, indeed, Mean Jean!
Betty, I know you and I didn't see eye-to-eye when I first started posting here, but I respect the amount of homework you have done, when it comes to an issue, like the political discussion we had, a few weeks ago, about Healthcare. I do think you are a very strong, bright woman who has kept her eyes open, her observations keen, and a passionate interest in current events. I respect that you go to toe to toe with debators, and stand up for what you believe in. Good for you, Betty.
Let little anonymous Mean Jean have her "fun". I feel sorry for people like her. It baffles me, why people resort to cruelty, on or offline, as it takes no more energy to be kind than it does to be cruel. Let her take the low road by flinging sand at us in this Mad Men sandbox we're enjoying. I suggest we not even respond to her outburts, as it's attention she's seeking. If we don't respond, she'll go away, and find someone else to poke at and fling her sand.

Back to Mad Men....we were saying?

@ Betty Crocker-sorry, I may have made things whose by indulging whomever...thank you for your wonderful posts...
this site should be about Rosebud's wedding experience and others have come here to make trouble.....

To Rosebud--Thank you once again for sharing your wedding day with us....We are ( I hope I am speaking for all) so grateful and very appreciative for your story and experience on that date.. I thoroughly enjoyed it....

With that said..I bid you all a good night!! Take care!!

Thanks StageKiss for the olive branch, which I gladly accept and reciprocate! And thanks to you too Jeffe64!

@BettyCrocker: I'm always flattered when people say I'm you. I'm not one-fifth as intelligent or experienced as you, so actually, you should be upset that they say we're the same!! I love your posts - keep 'em coming.

@rosebud - thanks for sharing your story and an early Happy Anniversary to you and your husband!

@betty Crocker - ignore Monte in the guise of JeanM. I've been reading this forum for a long time, but just started posting. You're in my top 5 favs on here, so please don't go anywhere.

Thanks Zab--I didn't know people have said we were the same person, but that's funny, because you have occasionally reminded me of myself! We have very similar personalities...Thanks for the compliment--I love your posts too! And I'm not just saying that because you're me, lol! I do love your links particularly.

And thanks Keylimepie (my favorite dessert btw). Trolls really don't have any effect on me personally, they just litter the threads and interrupt the flow of otherwise fun and pleasant conversations. But they are generally powerless to have any impact really.

Hi Rosebud!

Thank you for sharing your bittersweet experience! There's nothing like learning the history of events from people who were there.
Happy Anniversary!

Hi Betty Crocker!

I don't know who this JeanM is, but obviously another trouble maker. You will always have a cyber/MM friend in me!!

These troll attacks seem cruel and often don't even make sense.

I feel sorry for them!

Thanks 60s--it's you guys that make it fun here.

It's weird b/c other than being a bit dense/inane, that JeanM started out with "normal" posts. It was clear relatively quickly that he/she was very reactionary and made political hay out of any post, but still, no reason to believe it wasn't a legitimate MM fan? But then it turned troll very hard and very suddenly--calling another poster's daughter ugly and the c-word, and some other attack on someone else.

I do feel very sorry for them--there does seem to be a strange twisted political agenda to their attacks (e.g., Monte going on about how women should not vote or work), but just the idea that they are so filled with self-hatred and so much time on their hands to create new identities just to harass anonymous posters on a MM talk thread! It seems so childish and sad, doesn't it? Or highly dysfunctional. Do you think they are drunk or something, drinking all alone in their rooms for hours?

I'll stop talking about them, but I'm sure they'll be gone by now (only to crop up under a new identity, but I will be more circumspect about whom I will speak with.

And Rosebud--assuming MM does make some direct reference to that day, I would love to hear your particular take on the fictional version v. your own perspective as your actual anniversary approaches.

Mazel Tov btw.