We hung out all the time!

Sixties slang here:

http://cougartown.com/slang-dict4.html

http://the60sofficialsite.com/Do_You_Remember_The_60s_Slang_.html

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/colonialhouse/print/p-teach_lesson4_worksheet2.html

Someone wrote a blog on the many ways "hang out" has been used over the years...starting in the 1800's!!

http://fortyrounder.blogspot.com/2009/03/etymology-of-hang-out.html

This was fun for me - thanks for posting the topic.

I know it's overkill but...

hang Look up hang at Dictionary.com
a fusion of O.E. hon "suspend" (transitive, class VII strong verb; past tense heng, pp. hangen), and O.E. hangian (weak, intransitive, past tense hangode) "be suspended;" also probably influenced by O.N. hengja "suspend," and hanga "be suspended." All from P.Gmc. *khang-, from PIE *keng- "to waver, be in suspense" (cf. Goth. hahan, Hittite gang- "to hang," Skt. sankate "wavers," L. cunctari "to delay;" see also second element in Stonehenge). Hung emerged as pp. 16c. in northern England dial., and hanged endured only in legal language (which tends to be conservative) and metaphors extended from it (I'll be hanged). Teen slang sense of "spend time" first recorded 1951; hang around "idle, loiter" is from 1830, and hang out (v.) is from 1844. Hang fire (1781) was originally used of guns that were slow in communicating the fire through the vent to the charge. Hanger-on is from 1549. To get the hang of (something) "understand" is from 1845. Hang-up "psychological fixation" is first attested 1959. To let it all hang out "be relaxed and uninhibited" is from 1970.

Rachel, I don't remember "hang out" being used until the early 90s. We didn't use it in the 60s. We did say "hang loose," the meaning similar to today's "chilling."

I remeber hang out since I can't remember how far back.

All three of her very own citations are incorrectly understood... by her. The 1960s use of "hang out" from her own "research" was as a place, not as a verb. A place where people, especially young people, congregated was termed a "hang out". Using "hang out" as a verb came a bit later on.

All three of Zabadu's very own citations are incorrectly understood... by her. The 1960s use of "hang out" from her own "research" was as a place, not as a verb. A place where people, especially young people, congregated was termed a "hang out". Using "hang out" as a verb came a bit later on.

We "hung out" at the "hang outs". Three drive-in restaurants in town,complete with car hops. I was a carhop! That was the early 60's. Then I got married and suddenly the Hippie movement, flower children and then Woodstock. It all happened so fast.

What's incorrect about "Teen slang sense of "spend time" first recorded 1951; hang around "idle, loiter" Sounds like a verb to me.

@chopin47

The elephant in the living room: Why is your avatar's skin grey?

Chopin 47: You've changed your avatar and suddenly yuou don't look so well. Kinda blue in the face. Can you try another style? You're pulling a smurf look.

I get a kick out of linguistics and slang use particularly, so I really like this thread. I don't know about Zab's research, but she always has good input so I tend to trust her.

The only reference I have for that term comes from a "Dobie Gillis" episode from I think the first or second season, so I want to say 1959 or 1960. In the episode, the venerable Maynard G. Krebs blows a speaker at Riff's Records. The owner, Riff, tells him that "he can't hang here anymore."

I thought that it was interesting that he used that verb for loiter without either of the prepositions "around" or "out," since I had thought that that usage would have been more contemporary.

But there "hang" was, in modern slang use on mainstream network television at the time. So I think it was something that could likely have been said at that time in that way.

.....Peggy is becoming a pretentious, bloated, self-absorbed prick.

The writing, the acting was crappy AND lazy, per some other Maddicts.

I'm NOT loving it.

Can anyone confirm that the guy at the party/bar Don meets is actor Chelsea Ross, originally from Chicago?

It appears Weiner is assuming we're more insightful of his scenes' meanings than we actually are and it's leaving me, for one, muttering.."this season isn't very good."

And, isn't this mid '60s era?? Doing the Charleston dance??? I don't think so. And I agree with an earlier blogger in regards to "hang out." Hanging around, hanging the laundry, hanging the prisoner..yes. But hang out came around much later.

Uh, I know it's a television source but I could swear I remember Wally tellng June or Ward that the Beav was hanging out at his friend's house. Shoot, now I'll have to watch reruns on TV Land to confirm. Maybe they were just hangin' around.

My grandmother would hang out the wash. And way back in the day, Mr Franklin said: "Gentleman, we must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."

So ... how's it hangin'? I don't give a hang. I used to hang out at our hangout with my friends as a kid. Hanging up now....

@DM....all you do is complain and bait! your posts are nothing but links, no thoughts of your own!...don't you have anybody else to talk to? so sorry for you poor baby :(

@RandallW - I'm so terribly sorry that my "research" wasn't up to your standards. I guess even the Online Etymology Dictionary doesn't meet your criteria. I apologize for having a little fun and posting links so people could go look for themselves and see the many usages of the phrase "hang out".

Obviously, I did not have the benefit of grant money to go to the Library of Congress or interview scholars, but I tried, which is a whole lot more than you did.

To NNT, Ms. Mod and Sab4ever, thank you.

I am having a blissful moment, Auburn. Way to go!

I've been dying to shop for fall clothes. My tongue is hanging out when I think of all the sweaters, jackets and new outfits I haven't seen. And hang the cost!

"And, isn't this mid '60s era?? Doing the Charleston dance??? I don't think so".

To the contrary, Azwurth, it was ridiculously common and popular for people in the early 60's to dance the Charleston at parties, as I, to my surprise, found out when I posted this thread....

http://blogs.amctv.com/mad-men/talk/2009/08/dancing-the-cha.php

Dry...This isn't like you. Last year you were so nice and helpful. Is everything ok? Do you need to vent..cuz we'll listen.
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion.
Sorry.

@Dry: I'm a big "fan" of Peggy, but your comment about her didn't bother me at all. After all, this is the place to state our opinions about the show. And hey, I love your links to other sites. You find some great stuff.

re: hang out... in my experience ("61 "62 "63 west L.A.) "hang out" was both a noun and a verb. And as some witty folk here have already noted... "hang" by itself was used in another bunch of ways

@sab... I was 18 in '61 and oh how I remember drive-ins too...and great carhops on skates even... were you?

.....sab and NeverNot.....Sorry, you're right, it's really not like me at all. There is some very skewed stuff going on here that must be getting to me. This is not the forum that it used to be. Maybe never was.

I'm a big fan of Peggy also, but she is really getting so full of herself. Isn't that the kind of pride that goes right before a big fall?

First she was so condescending and dismissive of the other guys, treating them like complete morons, and then she goes off on Olive (who is pretty nutty, to be fair) with that crazy, unlikely diatribe, all about Peggy. It was just plain strange, to me. Without belaboring the point, I wasn't crazy about the acting in Peggy's scenes, either.

Thanks for your notes, and I apologize for being testy!

.....The other thing that's bothering me about Peggy is that she seems to be, more and more, preening herself as some kind of genius advertising savant.

It was Don Draper who pointed out, "You're not an artist - you solve problems" and, let's face it, advertising is interesting and requires some clever thinking, but it's not the cure for world hunger or cancer, or "rocket science," as they say.

Again, I'd have to lay that at the feet of the writing, directing and acting.

The fact is, I think I got testy because opining freely isn't really fostered here anymore. That changed abruptly with the viciousness ushered in by Episode 1, which also ushered in a few people "hanging out," just waiting to pounce on anyone and everyone with an even slightly negative or critical view or opinion. God forbid we should speak our minds.

If you go by a common school of thought, bottling it up eventually causes an eruption of some kind.

Okay, 'nuff said.

I'll tell you the line that I thought was out of place for 1963, and that was when Peggy turned to the guys before walking out with her Barcardi vacation idea and said, "I'm in a very good place right now." or some such thing. I don't recall that kind of "psycho babble" phrase being used until much later. Anyone have an opinion?

@Dry: Something to keep in mind about the very different way Peggy was acting in Episode Three was that she was high as a kite. Considering how she has had to act modest and subservient in the recent past, it is no wonder that with the introduction of weed into her system, suddenly the real Peggy, which was always lurking beneath the surface, came to the fore.

Every time I see your picture I see Martinis, not Manhattans. I sure this has been discussed before. Perhaps the Manhattan you refer to is the city, not the drink, and dry stands for your sense of humor? Just a guess.

.....NeverNot.....Wow - no! You are the one and only person ever to get that - you busted me - how hilarious!!

The truth is, that IS a martini. The reason I cheated is because I looked and looked and LOOKED, found some really cool ones, but couldn't (and can't) find any Dry Manhattan images that translated well once you shrunk them down so small.

I liked the retro look of this one, and the white background and simple lines which are almost cartoonish, and hoped no one would notice.

(OMG - that is sooo funny.)

Good catch, and I admit I'm surprised no one has said anything before.

Dry, no one has said anything before because it can be dangerous saying anything to you, if you're not in your inner circle. Just my humble observation.

Rasputin and NeverNotTasty - I have no good reason for this. I was re-doing my avatar late at night after 12 hours working at the computer, so I guess I misjudged the skin tone. Also, my Chopin avatar had gray skin, so I must have gotten used to it.

I will change it by next post and hopefully I'll have a healthier glow.

Betsy, I agree with you about the psycho babble, "I'm in a really good place." Never would have happened.

Overall, these characters are more forward than people were at that time. People didn't talk about themselves or put themselves "out there" like people do now.

Chopin and Betsy...I'm with you about the "good place" line.... it jarred me at the time.

Chopin... agree that occasionally some characters are more forward.... and that is a good way of putting it.

Out on a limb.... did anyone else notice that Peggy did not seem to inhale that joint? I think its a lot harder to get high (Peggy: I'm so high) unless one does do a deeper inhale....

Yes... ok... quibble quibble...

@MelbaToast: I also noticed that Peggy didn't inhale the first time, but lots of folks on the show obviously don't inhale their cigarettes so I decided to lump those all together and ignore it.

.....C47.....Not to split hairs, but that "inner circle" thing is a complete figment of its various hosts' imaginations.

It's an ever-changing, nebulous perception based on a set of completely unreliable moving parts and circumstances. Basically, that means it doesn't really exist.

On a forum like this, we are all in the exact same boat, taking the same risks and vying for the same validations. The real difference there might be in each poster's "chutzpah," for want of a better word.

That is to say - sticking your neck out (in a good way) in spite of all the slings and arrows and self-pity. People follow along or they don't but, for some reason, that just seems to bug some people.

Some of those who are maybe more sensitive or insecure about feeling "included" might take issue with that positive flow, but at whose feet do you really lay that self-imposed impression?

I, for one, feel just as connected (or not) to a brand-new (well-intentioned) poster as I do to someone like SCfan, who has been here since Day One.

I'm a super-friendly person by nature, which is not always a good thing, or taken well (surprisingly) in a place like this. It is safe to be friendly with people who I know like (or at least tolerate) me, or want to talk to me.

If I personally avoid someone, it's probably because I know they either don't like me, or they have a tendency to snipe and criticise and fight a lot, or both.

Lastly, I'm scared to even say it, but is just me or this forum working better? I can actually post from the little narrative box and PREVIEW the post, without all the other steps and hassles, and things seem to be moving a LOT faster. What a concept!

(Shhhhhh!!)

..."someone like SCfan, who has been here since Day One." ~~~~

...."Day One" ...?! "Day One".... ?! Well, not quite..... but almost! More like the January after the end of the first season (2008) and I'm not even sure of that, Dry....CRS....but, yes, I do admit to being one of the Maddicts who've been here many many moons. I think maybe Laurie B and a few others have been here longer than me....but, again, my memory is NOT very reliable. But, I do recall some of the familiar names (still on here, most of them) were here when I arrived.

chopin, I like your posts a lot and always make it a point to read them, but, I, too, am curious as to just who are these members of the "inner circle" that you and some other posters have referred to before...how come when any posters are friendly (or kidding, or whatever you want to call it) to each other they get classified as having an "inner circle"...I am asking an honest question, I truly don't understand the labeling.