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It's a mans hat
Somebody please tell the producers to tell all male actors in Mad Men how to properly remove they're headwear. Anyone who knows anything about wearing hats knows this....never remove a hat by it's crown. You always lift the hat off by the brim. Just watch any movie from the 30's and 40's...when hats were really popular...and you'll see the proper way to remove a mans hat. You cetainly can tell Jon Hamm knows not how to doff a hat. He probably never had one like that to doff. JC











You talk as if every Mad Men character were imbued with the manners and customs of the most educated and sophisticated 1963 upper class Dandy Man...Not everyone knew to tip their hat exactly to the right at a 75 degree angle and to dip it once before a lady while nodding your head, e.g., etc. I'm almost making this up because that's how changeable and also cultural much of this was/is.
I'm not sure who Matt is supposed to "consult" about this? Who is the living or secondary resource arbiter of every man's hat customs in 1963?
i wonder how the women were able to maintain there 'do's with those amazing hats. didn't they get hat hair? or is aqua net truly impervious? or did you leave your hat on all day until you got to the beauty parlor?
i remember perfectly respectable ladies (of the working middle class) who would do their daily errands and shopping etc in curlers that they left in all day, with maybe a scarf on over it. i wish they had worn some of those beautiful hats.
i do think it is a valid point to acknwldge that there is a certain hat etiquette that is lost, like perfect penmanship, letter writing, or the use of nice manners. thanks for the observation les- i love those little details. my dad stilll carries a hankie in his pocket, the white cloth kind that is always laundered and folded neatly. that's one of those little details, that you remember.
I guess I can agree with recording the old rules of perfect "hatsmanship," I just don't imaging that in real life, every real world version of the Mad Men characters knew those rules. So I hardly can impose them on Matt Weiner/writers to impose them on every MM character.
Actually, you remove your hat by the base of the hat if it has a soft brim, like a fedora. Otherwise, you risk bending the brim out of shape. The only time you remove your hat by the brim is if the brim is hard, like a cowboy hat.
Men's hats are easily removed, but women's hats with ribbons, bows, flowers and other decorations can be quite a production to remove, especially if they're anchored with hatpins. Women might also risk messing up their hairdos if they had to remove their hats. A lady, however, never wore brimmed hats after 5 PM, a fashion rule that developed because she didn't need a brim after sunset.
I've been wearing hats for 40 years and still wear one and I can tell you that JC is incorrect. Movies of the 30's and 40's had men who had loads of greasy poemade like 3 flowers, and other oils on their hair, which caused the hats to stick to the hair. So that made it easier to pull up and back on the brim, but this wasn't possible with a soft brimmed hat as was pointed out by mctwisty. Any man who still wears a stetson type hat knows it's easier not to mess up your hair if you lift straight up from the crown, unlike a stiff brimmed straw, baseball, or bowler hat. Not that this is so important to how terrific MM is. I'm sure that most don't care about "Hat ettiquette". As for tipping hat's for women, those are called manner's. And the proper manners to say hello to a women was to raise your hat slightly from the crown with a slight nod.
To tell you the truth, the only time I noticed any specific "hat etiquette" was in the scene where Don was in an elevator with 2 other men and a woman got on the elevator. The 2 guys were having a discussion that made the woman uncomfortable. Don told one of these guys to remove his hat (out of respect for the woman), the guy didn't get it, and Don removed it for him.
I think that was one of the first times I realized Don had a decent side to him.
my grandfather is the only man i can recall who wore a fedora and did not look ridiculous, he always took it off indoors and removed it at the front by the crown.
I've been wearing hats off and on for years (mostly off) but I have noticed that if you continually to remove it by the soft brim, after a while it becomes warped and soiled by the oil/dirt on your fingers. I have no idea where to get a hat cleaned and blocked in my city.
My general rule of thumb is: Stiff brim - take off that way. Soft brim, take off by the crown. Same way for putting on a hat.
JFK is usually blamed for the disappearance of men's hats although the Boomers' disregard for traditional clothing was probably the real reason - observe the difference in dress between an Ed Sullivan audience and a Tonight Show audience. Personally, I hate getting my hair wet in a rain and due to a lack of hair on the top of my head, I can get a sunburn. So I wear hats/ball caps. My son (in his twenties) has yet to wear one except for stocking caps in winter.
.....Why was Betty one of the only (if not THE only) woman not wearing a hat to the Sterling party?
Ladies attending Kentucky Derby parties traditionally wore hats.....
Betty's answer to everything - "my condition".
That's why she didn't wear a hat.
I hate hats--there are very few that flatter my head and I don't like getting "hat hair."
My father rarely wore a hat, but his older brother always wore a hat (he was balding though).
My grandfather ALWAYS wore a hat and he had the most gorgeous shock of white hair. It was a shame to cover it up!
Wow...there seems to be some major disagreement on the proper use of a Man's hat. I have been doing some research into the subject. Looks like there are some variations on a theme here. Different hats....different techiques for removal. For instance...a Panama hat should be lifted by the brim...so the crown stays intact. Likewise for all stiff brimmed hats. Soft brimmed hats...well...if the brim gets greasy....then you should have not changed your motor oil ten minutes before. And Mr. Blueknife......40 years ago you would have been wearing a Beatles cap..so much for style. And also Ms.Crocker...the higher ups at Mad Men went to great lengths to show us a hard drinking crew on Madison Ave. Hey....I already know how to make a Martini. Gin...thank you. So.....if you are going to recreate an era thats believeable...do the research....do it right. J
.....The title of this thread was witty.
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I've noticed a lot of scenes that could be Rockwell paintings. The first being the last scene of Season 1; the glow of the bedside lamp lights up Don's face as he kneels between Sally and Bobby's beds, gently touching Sally's head while she sleeps.
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clearly not that much of a stretch. You rock! Things aren't always as they appear...a theme that Mad Men, and The Sopranos before it, have mastered.
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