oh no...now I feel a channeling of Linda Richman coming on!

Help!

I'm feeling a little verklempt!

.....I think Madonna did a great job that time Barbra Streisand made a cameo appearance on "Cawfee Tawk."

She was funny.

I was just trying to find that on YouTube....so funny!

I don't even care for Madonna, but that was totally hilarious...Roseanne, too (as her mother!)

Mike Myers has said he modeled LR after his mother- in-law.

.....I think if I ever did meet Jon Hamm or Matt Weiner, I'd have to pull a "Texas Titty Twister" on them, followed up by a good bitch-slapping.

Settle down, Doolah!

This will cheer you up:

(Rosanne is channeling Shelley Winters, I think!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqPiJ0L7YmY

....Hee hee.

.....We enjoyed that - thanks!

Judging by the difference in film quality, it looks like Babs made her appearance during a dress rehearsal.

Thanks again!

.....(Rosanne is channeling Shelley Winters, I think!)

Yeah.....Not totally sure on that one.....

Roseanne was channeling SOMETHING, just not sure what.....

No disrespect. I can't imagine having to manage 32 separate personalities.

(Oh, wait.....)

Oh, its's not so hard. Huh, easy for you to say! Shut UP! Don't tell me to shut up! Will you listen to them - they're always at it. Yeah, the rest of us can never get a word in. Oh, please, like YOU have anything interesting to say. Uh, oh! Look out. Are you talking to me? I don't see anyone else in the room.

Shelley Winters - now there was an interesting broad and a great actress. Wish she was still around as she would have made a great addition to Mad Men. Joan's mother, perhaps? Or Burt's secretary?

z, you kill me! so funny...you're our very own Sybil! Please don't ever go see Dr. Wayne!

lol

Shut up! Get OFF!! (David Steinberg --- loooong ago) is he still around?

Yes, I think ol' Shelley would have made a fantastic Joan's mom....always butting in and whining....she was so good as Roseanne's mom...back in the first year or two when it was actually funny (pre-soapbox!)

I know there's a better quality clip of that on YouTube....somewhere......??

Anyway, it was like buttah.....I'll tumble for it!

.....Pipe down, all of you!

Actually she's HER very own Sybil!

I didn't remember that skit being quite so long......

z......"its's?"

Shelly Winters played a lot of victims, didn't she? Just shows what whining gets you.

A Place in the Sun - she got whacked.

Lolita - she got whacked.

Poseidon Adventure - she got whacked.

Okay, that was a blanket generalization. You guys are the experts, but Miss Winters' filmography is almost as long as Lucy and Joan.

Also saw she did a Here's Lucy, but couldn't find it to post here.

.....What prompted this post was watching the Fourth of July festivities at the Country Club (on the show).

For whatever reason, this time around, it really hacked me off that Don Draper just couldn't sit still for a little wholesome family holiday celebration. I mean, Dear God - not that.

Then I realized (again - gotta love that CRS) that he HAD to split because he felt like a fraud. He needed to go be bad with Bobbie, and sink to the level where his self-esteem was residing for that moment.

Poor guy is on a real roller-coaster.

Ugh. Men!!

.....well, THAT man, anyway....if mine was even a tenth of what Don is, well, you remember the cast iron skillets scenario....

Jimmy Barrett calls them like he sees them. Remember the jokes he made on the Utz's sponsor's wife! You girls are the new "Laugh In", who needs Rowan and Martin when you have Lady Z, Lady Dry and Lady SC! You girls need your own show.

Deja Vu... Don Draper is a rat? But you all like him..shoot me down in flames if I am wrong. One of my favourite Shelley Winters roles was in Alfie. Was Michael Caine's character much different from Don's?? I expect LOTS of replies Maddict ladies...your, as ever.

Deja Vu... Don Draper is a rat? But you all like him..shoot me down in flames if I am wrong. One of my favourite Shelley Winters roles was in Alfie. Was Michael Caine's character much different from Don's?? I expect LOTS of replies Maddict ladies...yours, as ever.

Click Happy, Sorry

Click Happy, Sorry

.....Paul.....Yeah, it bugs me more now than it did when the season first aired!

I mean, cheating for this guy is an art. He just can't get enough of it. It's a serial problem, and Don needs a twelve-step program.

I assert once again that Donald Draper should be on the couch next to Betty in Dr. Arnold Wayne's office.

I hope they bring him back. Andy Umberger was so perfectly, inscrutably sinister, even though he had like two lines. Which was the point, I guess.

Yeah, EP and All...Don is gorgeous, no denying that....but he's a mess of messes, we love his looks and we love the fact that all the "mess" part (affairs, shoving, spying, etc.) is happening to BETTY...if it was happening to us, we'd hate him...in spite of his looks/appeal....right girls?

Anything is entertaining....as long as it's happening to somebody else! (who said that?.....anyone remember?)

And, on behalf of Goldie and JoAnn, I (Lily) thank you, pink! But....don't encourage us....(heee!)

oh, EP? The difference in Alfie and Don is that Alfie is not married and doing all that philandering on the side at his wife's expense....but, I did love that movie...one of Shelley's best...I would have loved to have taken one of her acting classes when she was teaching them in her later years! Who better to learn from, huh?

Dry, I loved Dr. Wayne, too...esp. that perked-up look he got when Betty slipped him that doozie about "if my husband was faithful...."...did you ever see someone come out of a semi-coma so fast?

P.S. "Have I reached the party to whom I am typing???"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9e3dTOJi0o

....Snort!.....

I changed my mind....I want to be Gladys Ormphsby (Ruth Buzzi)...love that hairnet...but Cookie needs to go to rehab...he's becoming violent...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-wL9rlCHKg

Of course we all love Don because he's so beautiful, forget that he's a rat. Can you imagine someone that looks like Harry Crane doing what Don does and getting away with it? And if I remember correctly, didn't Alfie get his comeuppance in the end? (Shelley even found someone "younger" than him.)

After a long day of traipsing around creek beds doing field geology, over cheese fries and Steak N Shake in Erie, PA tonight, I explained some of MM to my professor. He' sin his 60s and has only seen an epi or two. He is intrigued, but he came in on one of the eps with Don's (Dick's) brother) and didn't understand it, so I explained the switching of dog tags, etc. and some of the stuff he missed. After getting into some of the important details, he said he thinks he might be more interested if he felt like the show really had some good people on it, and not all bad people. I ended up citing many reasons why Don really is a good guy. Yes, he cheats on his wife and he stole someone's identity, but he doesn't backstab or or cheat to get accounts, he doesn't lie about people, and he has good manners and expects others to follow them, eg: Pete thinks he's still in the frat house, the scene in the elevator when the woman comes in while the young men are gossiping about sexual matters and he is really upset and says "Take off your hat" as a way of telling them to STFU. He was clearly disturbed by the way those guys were talking in front of someone who was probably someone's mother. No, he wasn't respectful to "Molly Goldberg" (as Pete called Rachael) in their first meeting, but generally, he tries to live in a way that is respectful of others. "Because it's what people do" perhaps, but Don really seems to like old fashioned niceties and respectful exchanges. He didn't think twice about being there for Betty after her father had the stroke. He doesn't like Pete, but he really tried to be decent to him, without being fake when Pete's father died. He doesn't lie to the women he's fallen for, and he has a very pure relationship with the real Mrs. Draper, as well as Peggy. Like all of us, Don Draper is no saint, but he's no rat, either. He only lies when it doesn't hurt anyone else, he doesn't use his power to hurt people, and he generally minds his own business when it comes to the choices others make, except when it's constructive, as when he visited Peggy in the sanitarium. Does Don get away with too much? Don't we all sometimes?

.....MsFab.....

It's why we keep him around {:)

My good friend met Shelley Winters years ago when she was appearing in a local theatre production at a local college.

Friend and several of her friends went to SW's dressing room and knocked on the door -- SW came out and talked to them. My buddy said SW was real nice.:)

.....The nice ones always get whacked.

Yeah, Mambo! Didn't you just love the part when Alfie showed up with flowers at Shelley's apt. and she nervously tried to get him out of there because her new younger guy was there? He was getting ready to leave and saw the guy's guitar over in the corner and opened the bedroom door to see him sitting up in her bed...he asks her "What's he got I ain't got?" ......"he's younger than you are........Get it??" A wounded Alfie gives her a rose out of the bouquet and leaves....with the bitter realization he is not the hot lover he once was, or thought himself to be....yes, he definitely got his comeuppance, didn't he?

Hardy har....great scene!

Did Shelley really get wacked? As Scarlet O'hara would say " tel, tell".

MsFabulous, thanks for sticking up for Don. I couldn't agree more. Of course he gets away with too much. And yet we like him, not just because he's all dark and pensive and looks good, but because he somehow is a good guy. He really does have a code of morals, even with all of the cheating. The cheating is more about not knowing who he is and floating through life than about ego or lust or greed (he doesn't cheat with every woman who comes his way like Roger does - remember how he rejected Jane?) It's like he separates different parts of his life and keeps himself so removed from people that the cheating and the multiple lives don't even seem real. Plus, he picks such great women - Midge and Rachel - so it's hard to fault him too seriously!

Plus, regarding Don, he tries so very hard to be a good father and not repeat the horrors of his own childhood. People were still encouraged in the early 60s not to spare the rod and spoil the child, but Don is not going to raise his hand to his children....his voice, yes, but not his hand.

.....I read once that low self-esteem is defined as when a person is living beneath the level of their own true core values.

He's an intrinsically good guy gone down a long, bad road.

Another Shelley killin' ~~~ "Night of the Hunter" ~~~ that girl was jinxed!

A throat cutting no less.....eeeeewwwwww.

darker... good point. There have been a lot of beautiful women offered to Don in which he showed no interest. The twin sister of Roger's heart attack girl, the Asian gal who was clearly offering more than dinner in the restaurant, Peggy when she throws herself at him in epi 1, probably some others I can't think of. He never seems to be purposefully looking for other women (he resisted Bobbie initially) but instead gets caught up in the moment when someone different and bold comes along. That seems to kick in his desire to run away, or gives the desire a fantasy avenue, like maybe he's been waiting for a sign that his life will somehow click together, and he's hoping it's that magical moment when everything feels good and exciting. Come to think of it, he showed no interest in Joy at first, either. She then morphed into an escape vehicle when his "run away mode" was peaking on its own.

Dry, that low self esteem analogy is interesting. Over achievers, I think, are often driven by low self-esteem, or fear that they're not good enough, so the achievements need to be constant in order to keep the feeling of having arrived and being in control. Don has a lot of natural self-confidence and his ego is mostly in check, but I guess being the son of a prostitute and from such an awful family has left him with a lot of misgivings about his own worth at this point, probably especially in contrast with NYC and now California. On that note, I'm curious as to how much more will be revealed about how he grew up in S3!!

MsFabulous, I love your avatar.

Thanks, zerelda! Moe's art work is a lot of fun, isn't it?

http://blogs.amctv.com/mad-men/2009/05/dyna-moe-interview.php

....I love her.

She despises me and spits in my general direction on a daily basis, as do the Lipp sisters, but, oh well.

I still love them for the wonderful "Madness" that they are.

They just don't know you as we do, Dry. 'Sides, who are they when they are to home? They put their pants on one leg at a time just like the rest of us, so they've got nothing to be sticking their noses in the air about. I'd match our FANatic dedication to Mad Men up against theirs any day. We are Maddicts, hear us roar!

I'll take warm, inviting and cozy (well mostly) over "the premeire site for all things Mad Men" any day.

Who decided that anyway? I don't remember getting a vote.....

Yes, SCfan, I prefer to think of us as friends who meet up at our favorite little tavern for our drink of choice and a big bowl of pretzels. All opinions welcome, just don't try to keep us from wandering off topic.

and if, on occasion, some of us get drunk and rowdy, the rest don't judge us too harshly, just pour us into a taxi and send us home!

Great posts folks...but then I would'nt expect anything else.

.....Good one, z!

Yeah, z....well put! And pass them pretzels!

EP....sorry you have had to be witness to our nonsense all these months....well not really....

You know us as we are and accept us unconditionally...here, have some pretzels....

And, MsFabulous, I love your posts and that avatar, too.

I have posted before about how I think Don has an inferiority complex (old 60's term for "self-esteem" problems) so I agree with your thoughts on that.
He needs the affairs to keep him believing (if only on a superficial level) that he is worthy of a woman's "love"..... he sees this gorgeous exterior staring back at from the mirror....but inside he feels like Quasimodo.

.....I still say all he needs is a good bitch-slapping.

...is that before or after, Dry?

heeeee