I don't think the house is very big. It's a typical suburban Colonial, 2 bedrms, 2 bathrms, the kind of house that sold in Westchester Co. in the 60s for about $50K. Don uses one of the downstairs rooms as his office. Their bedroom looks pretty big with a nice roomy closet.

The size of the Draper house has always confused me, as well. There are a lot of rooms downstairs (formal living room, formal dining room, family room/den, Don's office, powder room, kitchen with a breakfast area, back porch/laundry room, mud porch in the front), but only two bedrooms and two baths upstairs. It doesn't make sense.

Actually, why do we assume that there are only 2 bedrooms upstairs? No reason to have shown us an empty bedroom.

Maybe the Drapers will be moving on up this season, what with the new baby (and Don's bonus from the SC sale.) Packing up, moving in, and decorating a new house would keep Betty busy - and give the Drapers new neighbors.

I think we assume there are only 2 bedrooms because when Don and Betty were going through their rough patch, neither one of them slept in a "spare" bedroom. In Night to Remember, instead of sleeping in her own bed, Betty nudged Sally over and slept with her, and before Don was thrown out of the house, he slept on the couch.

Based on some of the spoiler photos I've seen, as well as eyewitnessing a few of the location shoots, I can say with certainty that there will be at least a few scenes that take place in the same house.

Hey, grin...you eyewitnessed a few of the location shoots?

Tell Tell !!!!!

And if you have any pics, post 'em pretty pretty please!

There are more bedrooms, at least 4 upstairs--the master, the kid's room a guest room and one or two extras. I was very prevalent in that and earlier time periods for kids of both sexes to share a room up to a certain age. I'd say Sally will get her own room soon. I was sort of a rite of passage. Here's a question, though, for anyone who wants to comment. In the pilot was the Master on the ground floor? I got that impression because we clearly see Don climb the stairs to check on the kids. I know the pilot was shot a year before Episode 2, but I am just curious. I would not really have been correct then to have had the master on the ground floor. There would possibly have been a small bedroom off the kitchen or family room for a maid or housekeeper, but most family bedrooms would have been upstairs.

Yes, traditionally all the family bedrooms were on the upper floor but where necessary a first floor room could be adapted as a bedroom.

My grandparents used the breakfast room between the living room and kitchen when my grandfather developed emphysema and couldn't climb stairs. And my parents took over our front living room when we got too numerous and they needed their privacy. In later years it was used for my mom when she had her stroke; they flipped the stairs to make room for a special bathroom for her.

The master bedroom with its own bath would be the largest; my guess is there are either 3, maybe 4 more bedrooms and at least one more full bath. There should also be a powder room somewhere downstairs. Bunk beds work for same sex siblings, especially boys.

I agree with grinandbearit that if there was a spare bedroom then we would have seen it in A Night to Remember. Of course, that won't stop one from just appearing next season if need to, since that happens on TV shows all the time.

I second SCfan - you've seen location shoots? What have you seen? If it doesn't get you into trouble to say, of course.

The bedroom layout has also bothered me but I thought it was just me. If I remember correctly, in a scene in Season 1 Don comes home late and says hi to Betty, who is already in bed. Then he says something about checking on the kids and goes upstairs. At the time I thought there was a 3rd (attic) floor for the kids bedroom.

You Right 485Madison, I just watched that episode the other day. After Don came home from meeting with that lady that owns the department store, her name I can't recall at this time. Don does go upstairs, and Betty came up shortly thereafter as he adores his loving son the Bobster! I thought to myself that's a nice size house.

CORRECTION: YOU'RE RIGHT!

I don't want to disclose too much -- even though I didn't see much, although what I saw could open the door to lots of speculation. But film shoots: it takes hours to film a scene that lasts 5 seconds. I wanted to stay for more, but I had other things to do.

I did see Grandpa Draper, the NEW Bobby, and Sally. I think in one scene, we were meant to BELIEVE that Grandpa was allowing Sally to drive his car.

And about the house...the real house that's used has three or four bedrooms, just like the other homes in the neighborhood. But who knows what the set has? I imagine if the show picks up while the child is still an infant, it will be sleeping in Don and Betty's room. Or maybe the scenes at the house are flashbacks? Who knows. I've given up trying to speculate about this show.

Thanks for what you could remember, grin...we'll take anything we can get! ha

It would be just like MM to throw folks off anyway, who are watching it all being filmed...and make something look like something else during production...and the finished shows end up not even containing those scenes (editing and all that crap)...oh well, I guess we'll see it when we see it.

sign....thanks again, though...and,any other tiny tidbits you think of will also be appreciated....

.....Thank you for that - how interesting to just run into that!

Who is Grandpa Draper?

As to the house, I have always just assumed from watching that the downstairs was comprised of the living room, Don's office/den, the kitchen, the pantry/laundry foyer, possibly a small half-bathroom off the living room, and the "family" room.

Upstairs, I assumed that Betty and Don's master suite with bath is on the left, and the staircase is in the middle.

To the right, it's Sally's room first, then Bobby's, and there is another bath down the hall for the kids.

If there were a spare room, it would be next to that bathroom, behind the master suite.

In A Night to Remember, Betty, in her Wonderbread dress, finally tiptoes into Sally's room, and slips into bed with her.

If there were a guest room, would Betty still have slept with Sally?

(Maybe it wasn't about the rooms.....)

....They share? I thought the extra bed in Sally's room was empty - are they seriously sharing?

Huh.....I noticed something else recently in The Jet Set, and that is the shenanigans in the pool.

Stupid me didn't catch at first what the Count and his Druscilla were really doing (ewww), and the other thing was Joy just sitting there topless, in the pool, when the boy, Christian, appears.

She made no effort to cover up, and that whole scene for me was the beginning of the end of the enchantment with that crowd.

Bleah!

I know I've seen scenes where both kids are sleeping in one room, each in a twin bed. Maybe Bobby has his own room but sneaks into Sally's room, because he's afraid to be alone. I assumed Betty got into bed with Sally not because there wasn't another room, but just to be near her.

I agree with you, Dry, about the layout of the house. But it really doesn't make sense for Don to have been sleeping on the sofa if there was a guest room, though. Other than for dramatic effect I suppose.

Grin, do you mean Grandpa, Betty's father? ISince he has dementia, letting Sally drive is something that he'd probably do.

Its great that you have some Season 3 information. But please note it as a "Spoiler Alert". That way I (and I'm sure others) can skip the post. I don't want to know anything about Season 3 until I watch it. Thanks. Really appreciate it.

Wow thanks for that. I guess you are referring to Betty's dad. I wonder why would her dad be still allowed to drive with his bad dementia.

.....Wow.....Nothin' gets by me, heh.

Mind like a sieve!

Sally and Bobby are young enough in this, with Betty going through this growing up / establishing independence thing now, BEFORE Sally is old enough to be leaned on, as does unfortunately happen in single-parent homes.

Hopefully Betty will get the parenting roles and responsibilities down before Sally is a teenager.

jane.....That was my point also - if that's who it is, what is Betty's demented father doing driving a car!!

Mambo.....I guess we can rule out a guest room in all this discussion, if nothing else!

You know, any day of the week, you could probably hit the Lipp Sisters' website and find the answer to these questions, and ones we haven't even thought of.

Those girls are basically the Oracle for any and all MM facts and trivia, themes, story lines, etc., but I feel like it's cheating to just sail over and get all the answers.

As to the spoiler angle, that really wasn't much of a spoiler and hasn't told me anything that the pictures of pregnant Betty and the baby haven't already told.

I don't feel spoiled at all in this case but, in view of the writers' dislike of spoilers, and other posters' preference for the surprise element, I suppose some kind of qualifier wouldn't be unreasonable.

People let family members with dementia drive all the time (and even continue to live alone), mainly because they (the family) are in denial as to the extent of the relative's impairment. And some with dementia, men especially, get very hostile and aggressive when their mobility is taken away; to some, it's just not worth arguing about, they just say a prayer and let the person go. And remember, this is the 60s, when very little was known about Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia. My father had Alzheimer's, so I definitely know what people go through.

.....Mambo.....OMG - Of COURSE.

It's perfect.

What was I THINKING!

I'm seriously off my game today!!

I find it interesting that two characters on the show, Betty's father and Burt, have dementia. I wonder if their deterioration will play an important part in the plot. They both have knowledge (Burt) or suspicions (Betty's father) about Don's real identity.

Burt has dementia?! I think he is a tad eccentric, but dementia? Did I miss something?

Betty's father is way too far gone to be driving, and I wouldn't think Gloria would allow it - she seems to keep a pretty tight rein on him. On the other hand, if he could mistake Betty for her mother, I can see him believing that little Sally is Betty as a child and perhaps letting her pretend to drive while just sitting in the car with her. Maybe he did that with Betty as a child.

None of this speculation spoils the show for me, it just adds to my anticipation for the real thing. Hearing about actual scenes being filmed reassures me that Season 3 is going to happen. If you remember, there was some doubt just a few months back.

Ooops. I didn't mean Grandpa Draper. I meant Grandpa Driscoll.

The first scene I saw was a moving shot of the car driving down the street. Grandpa rode on the passenger side, and Bobby was in the back seat. Next to Grandpa on the driver's side was a woman -- a small framed woman with blonde hair; she was wearing this red and blue top. It was obvious to me that it wasn't Gloria. Nor was it Betty, or Betty's sister-in-law -- actually, I didn't recognize her at all. Then I walked around the corner to the "Draper" house, and that's where I first saw Kiernan. She was wearing this seriously cute red and blue plaid coat. A few minutes later, Grandpa and Bobby arrived at the house, and they shot a sequence where they all came out of the house and walked from the front door to the car. That's when it occurred to me that the woman was supposed to be Sally. Kiernan, of course, is a child, and can't (or shouldn't) drive a car. But through the magic of CGI, matte photography, and editing, you can make it appear that she's driving a car.

Z, there are little tell tale signs of Burt's dementia, but one of the main ones was when they all came into the office on the weekend, and he "fired" the secretary for chewing the gum that he had stepped in; Duck told her to ignore it, that Burt wouldn't remember it the next day. I think Duck knows more than he lets on. That's one of the things I love about this show; we, the veiwers, are not pirvy to all that goes on. Like Roger's affair with Jane; we didn't know about it until he left his wife. Just because we don't know about something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Most network shows lay it all out there with a roadmap; like drama for idiots!

OOps, I mean "privy to", not pirvy to. (We're not pervs!)

Speak for yourself, Mambo Deb!

Back to the bedrooms, does anybody remember the old I Love Lucy apartment? We saw all three rooms, bedroom (with the twin beds!), living room and kitchen, (no bathroom of course because people in sitcoms didn't ever have to go to the toilet.) Then they had a baby and magically there was a nursery! I want a house like that, that expands and contracts to meet your needs. Wonder if future builders will come up with one?

I wonder if that all means Betty's Dad is coming to live with her and the kids?

Maybe old snitty Gloria kicked him out when he got too demanding of her.

SC, I never thought of that. I actually wandered over to Basket of Kisses and posted the idea that Betty's stepmother would leave her father when they realized he was incapacitated and was royally reamed. They are mean over there!

Well, Dry, I'll take crazy and off-topic over mean any day....that's why I just stay here with the down-to-earth "just folks" crowd.....

.....Mambo.....Ha ha - of COURSE we are!

SCfan, we are nothing, if not crazy and off-topic.

I think Gloria will hang in there, for the money. It's what she is all about, and why she is there in the first place.

She is one of "those" people, and how they found someone to make her so annoyingly pert, overbearing, devious, phony and controlling is beyond me.

You know what she is? An overgrown "Gidget." Dresses way too young for her age and station in an effort to be "fetching" again, to a new man.

I mean, what? Gloria is like 5' x 5'? With huge hips and bust? And she's wearing a CRINOLINE and kitten heels?

ForGET about the giant "Anne Landers" flippy helmut hairdo.

Considering Gloria is literally almost stepping into the first Mrs. Hoffstedt's shoes, has completely taken over AND is going to get control of the elder Hoffstedt's money, I don't know how Betty stands her or is able to hide her resentment.

Must be that cool, Nordic blood.

And the way she struts and trots around, all smug and in-charge.

They did a GREAT job with Gloria - I can't stand her!

RRRrrr. I want to smack the Aqua Net right out of her!

I think Gloria and Peggy's sister, Anita, would be best friends, if they met....they even look more like sisters than Peggy and Anita do. Anita, too, is so smug and domineering when she orders Peggy around. I don't care for either one of them....Gloria and Anita, I mean.

Good comparison, Dry...overgrown "Gidget"...! Gloria is that for sure...nothing more ridiculous than an old bag trying to dress, do her hair, etc. too "young"... I agree that Gloria is obnoxious and maddening...I think Betty is doing very well refraining from popping her a good one ~~ even harder than she gave Helen B.!

And, Mambo, I meant you up there, not Dry....it was late (plus CRS!)

heee

Gloria and that dress...did you have to bring that up? I'm surprised the cast was able to stand in the same room with Gloria and that dress. Bring out the wide angle lens! It's right up there with Pete's tennis shorts, right SCfan?

Oh Dear God, Drink....now we'll have to have TWO nightmarish visuals stuck in our brains?!

Pete's (bracing myself).....(stutter...stammer).... nutters AND Gloria's bursting-at-the-seams shirtwaist?!

Our brain cells can't take it....HELP! HELP!.... now we'll all have to get lobotomies like Mr. McMurphy and be on "special medication" the rest of our days.....shuffle....shuffle...(practicing for the "Game Room" already)

grin, I was just staring at your new avatar (after my 3rd Old Fashioned) and suddenly saw Rod Serling at the far end of a long, long tunnel.....

Remember the show Hazel? I loved their staircase and Hazel with her room off the Kitchen. Oh Mista B!

Remember, this is 1960 and 1962, not that far removed from WWII. The housing boom that occurred when the GIs came home and got married resulted in a lot of housing developments like the Drapers. The houses tended to be small in those days and it wasn't unusual for kids to sleep 4 or 5 to a room, even if they were mixed genders. All kids did in their rooms in those days was sleep - they were outside playing or at the neighbors or at the park the rest of time, outside of school of course.

What distubs me about the Draper kids is they never have friends over. Our house was always full of neighbor kids and my parents spent a lot of money feeding people who didn't belong to them. We almost never see Bobby and Sally with other kids.

BTW, grin, that was a complement about your new avatar...don't know if it read like it was....but, it was...