Manipulator, schemer, liar...that about sums it up!

Well, I guess you could add homewrecker, but, I think Roger was more the seducer than he was the seducee....as always!

.....You forgot "phony." Deceit just comes to her so naturally, it's gotta be pathological. She lies even when there is no necessity, and often seems to be seeking attention of some kind. Maybe "Chippie Snake Barbie" is a sociopath! (Kidding - heard the writers hate it when we say that!)

If anyone would weave a complex, tangled web (every good soap has one, right?), it would be Jane, and now that her power base has shifted so significantly, I keep wondering about her potential as a threat to Donald Draper.

It's fun that Don Draper doesn't fall for her "innocent, weak-wristed, dainty flower of a victim" act. He seems pretty attenuated to manipulators, and makes no bones about the fact that he doesn't like her, and he doesn't really like Pete or Duck either, however cordial he is to any of them.

Peyton List must be doing a good job, because I don't like "Jane!!"

Yes, I think Jane will be a case of "be careful what you wish for, you just may get it" for Roger. I think Roger will come to regret leaving Mona, and Jane will become the ultimate woman scorned.

So sorry to be off-topic on your thread, MsFabulous, but I couldn't locate the "Start a Topic" box, and this was the most recent thread posted....

Just wanted to remind everyone that Lonesome Dove is starting tonight at 7 (Central) and here are some pics from the site....

Yep, it's a 20 year old show, but it's a classic and probably (?) the best thing on TV tonight...just guessing there, of course.

http://blogs.amctv.com/future-of-classic/2009/06/photos-lonesome-dove.php

.....Thanks SCfan.....Missed it the first time, but will DVR so we have something to talk about.

I think hitting "refresh" or F5 will bring the Start a New Topic box into view.....

(Sorry, OT.)

I can't stand Jane and I think she and Roger deserve each other. I look forward to Roger being absolutely miserable with this wench.

.....Sorry to go OT again, but for right now at least, our ability to start a new thread has been slashed, and many parts of the AMC schedule are still totally unavailable.

Since there have been other changes being made recently to the websites and forums, I'll reserve judgement.....for now.

Yes, Chopin! Wouldn't it be just delicious (to quote Pete) if she was preggo and presented Roger with triplets??? Weeeeee.....all boys and just like their father....incorrigible!

You're right, Dry. I checked out the Breaking Bad site, and they can't start a new thread over there, either. Wonder what's up?

Well, damn, the start a thread window just popped back up!!

Maybe we're just having CRS, Dry.

The very last thing I'm worried about is Jane's morality.. Like most of you, I assume Roger can handle whatever unfolds in this relationship. Interesting theory re: how this may work against Don...We may see that Roger has more savy than we've seen.. Bid'nez is Bid'nez and he may draw a bright line... If Jan feels threatened by Don's obvious wish for distance, she may pit her skill against him... My money's on Don... Some 21 yr old gal doesn't stand a chance ... Wonder if Jane's has every had an oysters and martinni lunch?
Has anyone picked up season 2 on DVD yet?
I've not been to Borders in a while, I seem to rem'br that it would be available June or Jly...
P.S for any who has 'on demand' service, season 1 is now availabe for re-re-re viewing if you don't own your own zippo set....

Great topic! Is Jane going to still be employed at SC? I'd like to see some bitch-slapping scenes between her and Mona (I'm rooting for Mona!). Mona will attempt to delay and prevent the divorce. Roger actually thinks Jane loves him (fool) and will lose a ton in the divorce, but heck, love like that is worth it, right? Jane will dump him once she realizes he's poor, relatively speaking, and she'll dump him. Roger will be heartbroken and fall into newly married Joan's arms. Then he and Dr. Rapist can get into it! OOH - wouldn't it be great if Dr. Rapist and Jane get together????

.....Mambo.....They have been making some other changes as well. Thanks for checking it out.

And yes, CRS can strike at any time.

(Please continue!)

I think Jane is capable of just about anything. A real wild card, and I'm worried for Roger, to be honest. He's not dealing with a full deck right now, and the drop can be steep.

They shouldn't get rid of Mona. She's part of the triangle and keeps it interesting.

She is also Roger's moral compass.

I think Roger will have another heart attack and possibly a bypass (which was a new procedure in the early 60s) and want to go back to Mona (remember how he cried to her after his first heart attack), and if she takes him back, Jane will certainly make trouble.

It may not be Mona that Jane will worry about.

I've been looking at the spoilertv blogs and it looks like there will be a alot of british accents that Roger may want to check out.
He may find other women at the office and do the same thing to Jane she did to Mona.

I decided to pop in instead of my usual lurkin'.

Assuming Jane doesn't get preggo...

She's smart, devious and doesn't hesitate to lie when it's in her interest but I haven't noticed that she's creative writer as mentioned above, at least in an advertising sense.

Married or not, she's going to have the same problem Mona does even if this is in the days before prenups: Roger's a hunter. Once he's "bagged his kill," he moves on. They had Mohawk in the bag and given the opportunity, he wanted to hunt America Airlines. That SC had a million dollars of lost billings for Mohawk and didn't get AA wasn't important to him. The hunt for AA was.

The only reason he stayed married to Mona was because he didn't see someone else he wanted to be married to enough to take the grief Mona would give him in a divorce. Which is why he had affairs but never wanted a divorce. (Hardly alone there.) This was in the day before no-fault divorce and in any event, they've been married for years.

.....Hi ho.....I was wondering about you the other day.....hope things are going well.

Ritt.....I think the creative writing comment was possibly in reference to Chippie Snake Barbie and her cheesy poetry.

Jane's an accident waiting to happen to anyone getting too close. I can't picture her as a mother OR sticking around to nurse a sick man twice her age. She's a lightweight, and loyal to no one. But, of course, that probably means she WILL have a baby.

The money part in that marriage is what interests me. As you and several others here have mentioned, the marriage and divorce laws were different in those days, and the simple act of marrying did not automatically dictate getting half of everything, the way some states describe it now. Mona is probably another story, as the lawyer indicated. That guy was great. "Think about all the things you love, and cut them in half."

The merger couldn't have come at a better time for Roger, since he was likely about to be broke, and the fact that both he and Donald Draper now have a sizable sum of money coming from the purchase of SC kind of changes things up a little.

I realize this is intentional on the part of the writers, but it was bothering me yesterday how one minute Don Draper is sitting in a bar, telling Roger he feels nothing in regard to his dissolving marriage, goes off and bags a hottie half his age, then slinks home to Betty, whining about wanting to "be together," and writing pleading letters.

Same with Roger. One minute he's bawling on Mona's shoulder and thanking his stars for her and Margaret, and the next he's telling his lawyer he doesn't want to die married to "that woman," or whatever the exact quote was.

Rrrrrr!!!

Somebody posted a long time ago about Jane copying "her" poetry from some ad for Paco Rabanne ~~ or some shampoo....

??

I remember them posting that the poem she "wrote" was plagiarized from some mag ad that was from the '60's, anyway...anyone remember that?

Wish I could remember the product....

.....No! I missed that.....was it an Open Thread, or a unique one?

If that's true, I wonder if the intention was to show what a phony Jane is, or just that they needed some cheesy poetry.

Working in advertising, it would be a surprise if she thought no one would catch the plagiarizing.

I was so embarrassed to see Jane as a character on Mad Men.......

.....Why Nori??? Please tell!

I can't recall if it was an Open Thread or not, Dry...I do seem to feel as if it was posted right after the showing of the epi where Jane and Roger were in the hotel room, in bed, and he proposed to her after her "poetry" (?) reading....which epi was that?

(CRS attack)

It was around Oct. 10, 2008 and it was talking about an old Ogilvy ad for Paco Rabanne...but the thread didn't get any posts....just the topic itself got posted...mentioning the Ogilvy ad being similar to Jane's poem....

Thread Name:

"Jane's Poetry - Reminiscent of an Old Ogilvy Ad?
(which came up when I searched "poem paco rabanne ad" and was waaaaay down in the search results.....

sorry, I forget the posters name.....damn CRS

.....I tried the link but didn't see the actual poetry. It doesn't surprise me to hear about that post, though, and it's funny.

Thanks for finding that.....

Yep, Dry, I can just imagine Jane in her rolled-up jeans, man's white dress shirt (Roger's?) pigtails, "bigfoot" shaggy house shoes/slippers (remember those?...mine were hot pink!) perusing her latest copies of Glamour, Mademoiselle, Ingenue & Seventeen for "poetry" in the ads to run past Roger ~~ who'll be dumb enough to believe her when she reads him "her" latest poem....

Something else I thought about while watching re-runs... after Roger listens to her "afterglow" poetry reading/alleged writing, he says something like "I'm going to have to keep you in line, or I'll lose you" to which she firmly replies, "Yes. You will." So, is it "Yes, you will have to keep me in line" or is it really "Yes, you will lose me" then? I can't help but think she may dump him in a cruel, unusual or at least embarrassing way. I think it would be a bigger story than if Roger dumped her, which would be more business as usual.

I don't think she's working there... by the last epi Don had been gone for weeks, and I think Roger is "keeping" her somewhere. I could be wrong. I don't see her working at SC - in those days, a man of that kind of wealth wouldn't have his wife working. In fact, most husbands didn't want their wives working. On one hand it was status, on another it was control.

So, I wonder how she's going to be able to cause trouble at the office. I suppose it's possible he may want to keep her at the office to keep an eye on her. I hope he doesn't give her some elevated job, but I think there definitely needs to be more face-offs with Joan, because in many ways, she's Joan ten years younger. I doubt the writers would create a character so like Joan in younger days and not play that out more, especially considering the track Joan is on right now. It's worth noting that bagging the top of the club for a husband was no doubt Joan's intention at one point, and now this little girl waltzed in the door and bagged him in what? A couple days or weeks? This isn't going to sit well with Joan, who is struggling with the fear of old maidism, or a crappy life with Dr. Date Rape.

I don't picture Jane having anything to do with Don - he's above it, although some of you have put out interesting ideas. I suppose she could find out about his real name and blackmail him with it, threatening to tell Betty. I think it's more likely she'll be stirring things up with the junior boys. What excuse will Roger have to keep her there?

I remember reading in one of the predictions thread that someone said they pictured Jane going off to college and running off with her creative writing teacher or something like that, and I could see that, but then she's not around anymore to make trouble. Coffee houses with poetry readings will start springing up, but I don't really see her in that crowd - she's too much of a Miss America type for that scene, and from the spoiler pic I saw, that scene hasn't really developed yet. I think the poetry thing is going to come around again, just not sure how it will manifest.

Can you tell I'm dying for August to get here??

.....Great post, MsFab.....Remember Draper, horrified at the discovery of "Roger & Jane" said, "I want her off my desk....."

She could be anywhere, but you are right we didn't see her at work again, and all your observations and theories are very interesting. People here are so knowledgeable. I'd say she definitely will be a housewife once they get married, and man, is that going to be a bore for her! I smell trouble.....

I agree Roger definitely has his hands full, and doesn't realize how dangerous the blank canvas of a 20-year old with tons of sexual power and a flawed character can be.

They captured very well in Jane the callow, impetuous, fearless energy of a 20-year old, and how that can infuriate someone more seasoned. Not to mention the whole manipulation thing, of which she is a MASTER.

I maintain that Roger pulling for Jane over Joan was probably the most devastating betrayal of all.

.....P.S. I loved the whole "Valmont" angle, too, by the way.....that WOULD be dramatic.

Soon enough, I think both Jane and Roger will regret what they've done. Roger has lost his wife (whom he did love at some point), he's sold away part of his company to the Brits, and soon he'll see that it's not so fun to be married to a spoiled little girl. Jane will find that doing the Anna Nicole/ older man thing will be boring. She won't want to be at his beck and call, she certainly won't continue to work at the office, and she'll find herself a hot young thing to have an affair with - hello, stable boy! She may want to start something with Joan, but if Roger has any brain cells left (arguable, I know), he'll keep her away from the office. Soon Roger has divorce #2 on his hands, and he'll have to sell more of his stock to finance it. Sigh. At least Jane will be out of the picture that way!

Dry,
I just think everything she does is embarrassing, the poet, Ha! The 80's dress code at the office, with Roger suddenly and getting away with it (Roger how stupid and so fast) dumb,dumb,dumb plot line!
I just don't like the character and am embarrassed to have her as part of the show.

.....Yay!! hanna's here!!

Bring on the Maddicts!!

.....Funny icon, by the way!

.....I'm with you Nori....Jane seriously creeps me out.

Please forgive me, but she has the whole lips thing - the phony eye-batting, skirt-straightening, nasal, meant-to-manipulate diction, and snakey lips thing.

Bugs me.

(Sorry, Peyton - Sure your are a peach in real life.....)

.....Talk about typos.....The fact is that, somehow, they succeed, unlikely, in sliding by.....

.....It's an evil plot - I know it!

Oh well!!

{:p

(Snoopy dance here.....)

.....Sorry.....Sure YOU ARE a "peach."

I do not care for the Jane character at all. The actress playing her somehow does not slip into the 1960s as well as the rest of the cast. Maybe that's just me. But more than that, Joan should have been able to handle this little bimbo with one hand behind her back. Just like swatting a fly. For Roger to fall for her enough to want to divorce Mona is not credible to me. How many women has he chased and caught over the years, anyway. We are supposed to believe Jane is the one he just has to have above all others? It is not like she was withholding her charms 'til he came through with a ring and a minister. This is no Anne Boleyn. Joan should ditch the rat doctor and pull out all the stops to steal Roger back from Jane. She doesn't have to marry him, just do it to show Jane it can be done. Nope, can't stand that Jane.

.....While I agree with a lot of that, I wouldn't wish that on Joan.

Though they did have some great chemistry, I feel she's better than that and deserves better.

Also, pretty sure Roger is one of those who can't be faithful - it's not in his nature, "in-love" or not.

Mona's no dummy - she knows her husband, looks the other way with the infidelities, is a great wife, tends the home fires, makes him look good, and lifts him up morally. Plus she has a lot of class, which I attribute to Talia Balsam, because she is a classy lady.

Jane probably won't do or be any of those things, and Roger might come to bitterly regret his decisions.

Might. (How the h*ll would I know!!)

One thing that bugs me, though, is how long are Jane and Roger going to have anything in common, once the excitement, avarice, denial and escapism wear off?

Can you picture Roger at a Beatles or Dylan concert??

Oh, I only want Joan to flex her feminine wiles long enought to steal Roger back from Joan - she can then hand him back to Mona, 'cause I agree with you, that is where he belongs. I hope the Mona character hangs around this next season, 'cause I also agree that Talia Balsam is great in the part.

Oh, crapity-do-dah-day, I meant to say: "Joan to.....steal Roger back from Jane". I hate when I hit that "submit" button too soon.....plus I misspelled "enough"....pitiful

....I knew what you meant.... {:)