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Booze shuts up poor little Sally Draper?
Amj I the only one who noticed that funny (?) little moment in which little Sally Draper is being babysat at the Office, but then starts to annoy the adults with her provocative observations...
In the nxt scene, she is dead asleep on the office sofa, Joan beaming over her protectively. Don picks the sleeping child up... and from the folds of the baby girl's skirt, to the carpet, falls an empty SC tumbler.
I think we're supposed to get the picture that Joan basically shut the little girl up by dosing her with some whiskey... probably disguised as COCA-COLA.
Does this act seem venal by today's standards? Abusive?
I had to laugh here, because my parents (basically the Drapers personified) used to shut me up the same way in the 1960's.
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Sally saw the drink on a desk. She already tries to smoke like her mother. Now she tries to drink like the adults. Joan is not guilty.
One of the best things about MadMen is that to a great extent they let you make your own conclusions. (Sally helped herself to the cocktail...although how much of an alcoholic drink a kid would consume is questionable)
When the glass rolled to the floor-Joan specifically gave a look to her co-worker. did they know the scoop? Never answered-YOU the viewer must decide for yourself. Either way-she didn't die, that seems to be the standard of good parenting.
This is right up there with the "Sally Plastic Bag" incident and society's attitude towards children.
BTW-
You call Sally a babygirl? I guess you can lump me with those 50's parents.
Sally must be 7 or 8. Far from a baby-and at that age has a (though not refined) sense of right and wrong. She didn't ASK for a cocktail and she lite the cig. on the sly.
40 years ago-children were much more aware of boundries. (a few years ago, my 6 year old nephew walked into my kitchen and opened the freezer...looking to help himself to ice cream...I was SHOCKED! and tried to explain that "hey, Mister....you can't just walk into someone's home and open the freezer!...and who said you could have some anyway?") He looked at me like I was from Mars....
I don't think Joan and the other woman knew that Sally had taken the glass and they were suprised to see it (Sally probably went all over the office finishing cast-off drinks, that's how she got drunk). To me, Joan's look said "the apple (Sally) hasn't fallen too far from THAT tree (Don)". And I agree about children and their lack of boundaries today. It also seems that the age of accountability keeps getting higher. Like 20!!!!
I had to laugh at Gavin's comment above .."Either way-she didn't die, that seems to be the standard of good parenting."-------------
I remember coming in the house one summer to get some grape kool-aid (me and D&S's 2nd favorite drink!) and my mom and a neighbor lady friend of hers were sitting at the dining room table smoking and drinking coffee and laughing/talking away....I remember the neighbor lady saying ....
"....and I told Joe (her husband)--- if they're still alive by the time you walk through that door at night...I've done my job!"
She and my mom just roared over that and I got my kool-aid, drank it and went back out only to return for dinnerf...and even then, only after "the calls" (to come home) got to the point of including all three of my names --- called out in a definitely exasperated tone!
A whole different mindset....way back there in the '50's....a better one, I think....kids knew they were to behave....the boundaries were firm and understood....
"dinnerf"....that's a doozie....ooops
Oh, the days of grape Kool-Aid and candy cigarettes, SCfan! ;o) I thought I remember someone on the blog writing about hyperactive kids in the 60's who were given liquor to calm them down. There was no Ridlin and parents found this way to cope. Just like so many things back then.....they just didn't know any better.
I remember mothers rubbing babies' gums with whiskey to numb them when they were cutting teeth...and it was doctor recommended!
Don't think they had Orajel yet....
Yes, I remember Mom's rubbing whiskey to numb the gums....a little for baby, a little for Mommy, a little for baby, a little for Mommy. I bet MW will show us a little of this in Season 3. Betty does like her wine. It would be a jaw dropper for any new viewers, that's for sure. Cheers! ;o)
Hmmmmmm, Drink.....I think I know now why all the neighbor ladies were always laughing so much during all those coffee klatches!
tee hee!
My dad forbade alcohol in the house, except that my mom convinced him that she needed wine (Mogen David grape wine!) to make the fruitcakes at Christmas. So she used to dose the fruitcakes, then dose herself. Finally it was none for the fruitcake, all for her. Unsuspecting Dad always remarked that she was only really happy and in a good mood around the holidays.
Now here's a real shocker: when she became pregnant with my younger brother and then my sister, she was concerned about gaining weight, so she asked her friend at the drug store to give her some pills.These were little black capsules that gave her a lot of energy, totally cut her appetite and made her mean as he11. Today they would be recocnized on sight as Black Beauties or speed. She took them all through both pregnancies. When I went to college and gained some weight, she got some for me and after I took one day of them, I knew sonething was not right so I threw them down the toilet. My speedfreak mother still thinks "Drugs" are an outrage and pot is the Devil's best friend. She thinks she never used or abused drugs.