You have a good point there, DoubleDon. I, too, am in no hurry to leave the early '60s behind. I have enjoyed taking these steps back in time. I almost wish Mr. Weiner had started his story in '58, and move more slowly through the '60s. However, it is his show, and I love it, and will accept whatever he presents to us. I just wish we did not have to wait so long for the next season to begin. How does the song go about anticipation is keepin' us waitin'......

So right, z....I remember thinking (when JimmyB. was crowing about getting his "29 episodes" (!!!) of "Grin and Barrett") --- from his mouth to MW's ears!!!

No such luck for us, I guess...but I, too, will be glad for whatever year we get in Season 3...I just wish I could figure out why the time seems to be dragging so much worse 'this time' than the other two times??

Wierd!

weird? can't spell

Zerelda, I also wish the series had started earlier. 1964 in my thoughts is a whole different era than 1962. Some people say the 60s really continued into the 70s (hippies and all that) but I don't agree.

Zerelda, now I have Carly Simon stuck in my head...

Anticipation, anticipation
Is makin' me late
Is keepin' me waitin'

I'm going crazy for some new MM! I've already had my own personal marathon with season 1; first watching each episode, then each of the commentary episodes from the dvd, then all of the extras. Now I'm making my way through season 2 from my Tivo recordings. I can't wait for my season 2 dvd to arrive in July and then I can go through each of those commentary episodes. The BEST commentaries are those by Matt Weiner. Then maybe some time in the next century, we'll see some season 3 action!

Good question, DD. I would like to see them pick up where they left off this time, vs. going ahead in time and showing the past 18 months in flashbacks. I'd like to see Betty big and round and all the lead up to Nov. 22, 1963. I also want to watch Roger's divorce in progress, as well as the demise of his relationship wtih Jane. I want to watch Peggy and Don work together side by side, what happens with her and Pete, and if Joan actually gets married or not. I also want to see how the TV dept grows and what will happen/not happen with the merger.

How could they possibly leave our Nov. 22, 1963?! the assassination of JFK was pivitol to the time. The writers correctly had all the Mad Women glued to the TV during Jackie's tour of the White House, and I'd bet real Mad Men identified with JFK. No - I can't see the creators ignoring late 1963.

I hope we see 1963 but we probably won't. I agree that I'm not ready to leave the first half on the 60's yet.

I can see returning on November 23 1963 - seeing the aftermath, the effect on the SC staff, the role TV had in broadcasting the funeral and Jack Ruby's murder of Oswald LIVE - Harry would freak!

Matt might start instead with the holidays (Christmas/New Years) so we'd get home shots on the newly expanded Draper clan, the kids' toys of 1963, neighborhood parties etc. The Beatles hit these shores in February 1964 so I have no doubt there will be oblique references among senior staff to those appalling long haired howling imports that should go straight back to Mother Britain. I can see the young secretaries secretly squealing over the lads under Joan's disapproving eye (if she's still there running the office staff.)

Historically: Kitty Genevese stabbed to death in Queens, Barry Goldwater runs against LBJ (think "Daisy" ad), MLK won a Nobel Peace Prize, the Surgeon General definitively linked smoking to cancer, the Clay/Liston fight, the Civil Right Act upheld by the courts.

New products to advertise: Ford introduced the Mustang, Carnation Instant Breakfast and the first Arby's, General Mills introduces those magically delicious Lucky Charms, the Moog synthesizer, GI Joe from Hasbro, and the Esso - remember that brand? - gas company suggests putting a tiger in your tank, Also touch tone phones, cassette tape recorders, wrinkle-free slacks (STA-PREST) and - under the culinary radar at the time - the first Buffalo Wings.

All in all a pretty interesting time (I was 12.)

Wow Auburn - where did you find the listing of all that stuff introduced in 1964? Great information. (PS: I was 13)

.....Sixties Survivor.....I read that they are resuming the timeline after JFK because Matt felt that it's been done "to death," basically.... who knows. Maybe he'll surprise us. Wouldn't be the first time!

Great posts, by the way.

The 60s had many defining moments, for many it was JFKs assasination, for others it was Dr. King's 'I have a dream' speech, the Summer of Love and Neil Armstrong. Brits will tell you about The Beatles, Blow-Up and the Mini-Skirt; the French, Godard, Bardot and student riots. What is certain is that one moment led inextricably to another in the most socially defining decade of the previous century. Now we have a great TV series that tells us how it was-ENJOY!!!

Time flies-but Sally Draper is forever 7 years old.

Poor poor Sally Draper... I hope Betty goes easy on her in S3. You know, I sure could use one of those stiff drinks little Sally mixes right about now!

....In my dreams, I thought "how cool would it be for Sally Draper to be there, at Shea Stadium, when The Beatles debuted their shtick.....

Alas, she isn't old enough.

Dreading the new kid actors....wah....

I'm back.....

Sorry I haven't been contributing regularly, I have been reading comments when I can, and I miss this Forum!

I hope all my fellow Maddicts are healthy, happy, and finding some peace in these crazy times!

All of my MM friends know how I feel about history being written into the show. I am very upset that Season 3 will start in 1964!
1963 was such an important year. What happened to JFK and the events that followed defined so much of the 60's generation.
The writers devoted a whole episode on the Cuban missile crisis and how it impacted the MM characters' lives.
I don't get it...

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
I am glad that the Season 2 DVD set includes historical perspectives from that time, I look forward to my set arriving!

.....Wow, 60schild, long time no see - we thought you had been abducted by Santa Claus.

Welcome back!

I saw the Beatles in August 1964 at the Seattle Center Coliseum, and I was 10 years old. Of course, I was with my 13 year old brother, so she'd have to have an older neighborhood friend to go with.

Hi 60'schild and jamm, too! Missed ya...we have been lamely limping along as I'm sure you know if you've been lurking....even had a few wild and crazy parties...gotta do something to pass the long months until MM returns to us....

English Paul, love your John Steed avatar...never missed The Avengers, along with The Prisoner...two of the best imports from you Brits EVER. Every girl I knew wanted to dress like Mrs. Peel and to marry either John Steed or Patrick McGoohan.

Jamm, I'm still jealous of you getting to see the Beatles!!! Closest they came to me was Dallas and I was too young to make the trip.....13 but still parents wouldn't let me go with even my older cousins....didn't you say the noise level was so high you couldn't hear them anyway, I guess that makes me feel a bit better...ha!

Ooh,The Avengers - my fave. I loved Emma Peel. The shows had a surreal quality to them.

I remember watching the Beatles on Ed Sullivan!
[I tried letting out a little squeal and my mother promptly oppressed it.)

Well, I have my brother to thank for the Beatles, Righteous Brothers and Jackie Deshannon at the 1964 show, and Jimi Hendrix in 1968 when I was 14. Glad I got to see both and some other classic musicians while I was still young and lived and died over music. Now I just take it all in the living room or the rocker.

English Paul,

JFK assassination's united the ENTIRE globe, except Cuba maybe. It was not a peculiarly American tragedy. MLK and RFK's murders were much later in the decade and did not have the half impact that JFK's did. Besides, this show is about America in the 1960s, NYC, not the rest of the world. The Summer of Love was a misnomer for sure, and nothing to be remembered fondly. It should be called the Summer of Drugs and STDs.

Someone brought up the commercial about The Daisy - wouldn't it be a great story line if Sterling Cooper made that ad?

I watched the Beatles on Ed Sullivan - I was 13 - I didn't like them. I hated all the shrilling in the audience and they just looked like a bunch of English snobs to me. Now I know they had stage jitters. I'm still underwhelmed by them and although I like a couple of their songs, I'm puzzled that so many of my generation idolize these English boys. There were many, many great musical groups during the late 50s to mid 70s, far more talented and innovative than the Beatles. But, to each his own.

MM will have to deal with the assassination in some way, even if only in flashbacks. It was a monumental influence on this country and shaped LBJ's Great Society, giving him the momentum to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1965, etc.

chopin47....The 60s were all about change, Social, Sexual, Political, Gender, Musical, Artistic etc. All beamed into the living rooms of the world by that other biggy, Television.
It wasn't all rosy and sweet: Dallas, Vietnam, Prague, Memphis, Londonderry, Paris, Watts, Chicago, Columbia, Birmingham, Belfast, Sharpville and Cuban Missiles have to be balanced against the better times, people or events.
If you lived during the 1960s, for the first time you couldn't live in a bubble. What happened in NYC, LA, SF or Woodstock had a PROFOUND effect on me across the pond, as I'm sure cultural change in London, Paris, Liverpool or Milan affected millions in the USA. I've no doubt that the makers of Mad Men will reflect on these monumental shifts in global society as they take us on their 60s journey with a band of brilliant New Yorkers.

I agree... I've been glad to see the pre-Beatles 1960's explored.

It seems that, once you hit "Swinging London", then essentially you are in the current world we live in today, of non-stop sex, TV, drugs and rock 'n' roll, with a decidedly more jaded and cynical view than the wide-eyed world of beige that was the JFK/Camelot USA.

Still, I suppose we can watch ANDY GRIFFITH reruns if we want to dwell in that earlier time, no?

The Andy Griffith Show...now there's a classic...I've considered joining TAGRRWC (The Andy Griffith Re-Run Watchers Club---yes there really is one!) ---but figure I'll wait til I'm 65...

I do have a book about the series, though, a paperback "trivia" kind of a deal. Seems "Opie" threw a fit one time on the set and his dad, Rance, jerked him up and "blistered" him (old-timey term for shining up the seat of his jeans) and he never did it again. Just an old '60's gem in it.

You know, they say Aunt Bee (Francis Bavier) was a real bitch...hated everybody...some actress, huh, to come across so sweet and kindly?

Sorry about the OT, but, ras pushed a button.....

HA!

Thank you Dry Manhattan and SCFan!! I thought I might be forgotten...
Dry, with the Winter we had I felt like I was kidnapped by Santa!

My computer died, and I was learning a new job over the Winter. I am the old dog learning new tricks, even after 31 years in my profession!

I give you guys credit, you are the true Maddicts! You stuck with the Forum when MM was gone for months.
Can't wait for Season 3, I'm still not happy about the jump in years, I'll have to deal...

P.S. I have been watching "Breaking Bad" to fill in.
What a show! But...I will always remain loyal to Mad Men, and this Forum!!

...well, 60's, I guess we ARE dedicated (or crazy)...what with several scorching flame-a-roonies for each of us over these off-season months, I sometimes wonder if I should have just lurked until August!!

oh well....guess we kept the MM fires burning, if nothing else -- no pun intended!!

Hope the new job is working great for you!

.....Can't be totally sure why you left so suddenly (I have plenty of theories), but you have been missed.

....Diana Rigg was pretty swell....that was a serial show with a lot of class.

Before my time, but who remembers I Spy, with Ilya Kuryaken?

(Sp?)

.....Can't be totally sure why you left so suddenly (I have plenty of theories), but you have been missed.

I loved Illya, Dry! But, he was on The Man From Uncle, I do believe, with Robert Vaughn.

I Spy was great, too, with Bill Cosby and Robert Culp.

Now, I watch "Illya" on NCIS as the medical examiner ...he's held up remarkably well, I think, and looks great for his years.

I love Andy Grifith SC Fan. Let me know when you join and I'll join you. I just liked the early B&W shows with Barney in them. Also I liked it when we actually saw Andy kiss one of his girlfriends.

Question for all the Andy Griffith Show fans. Did we ever get to see Juanita, Barney's girl friend in the early shows? I know he always called her at the Diner, but can't remember ever actually seeing her. I used to love it when Barney would be all lovey-dovey on the old telephone with Juanita, and Andy would tiptoe up behind him and listen in. I always felt sad after Barney started dating Thelma Lou and we never heard anything more about Juanita.

Yes, z!

Didn't you love the love song Barney wrote for Juanita that ended "...Juanita.... Juanita........ Juan--eeeeeet" (he couldn't think of anything to rhyme!)

Yes, it was hilarious when Andy would relentlessly tease ol' Barn and he would get furious....loved that!

....he'd tell "Ange"..."Boy, you're just hilarious, you know that?? You should go over to the old folks' home and loosen all the screws on the wheelchairs!"

They were so good together...

Also, loved that episode when Opie accidentally shot the mama bird with his BB-gun and had to "raise" her babies...so sweet.....that whole series (b & w epis best, like Chelsea said) was fantastic.

...here's another Barney-ism (when he's mad at Andy) from that book I have:

"You're just full of fun today, aren't you? Why don't we go up to the old people's home and wax the
steps?"

And here's one of Barney's songs: (to the tune of "Frankie and Johnny")

Andy and Barney were lawmen.
Bravest you ever did see.
Warned every crook in the record book to stay out of Mayberry.
They were the law (Yes, they were the law), And they didn't know fear.

Pretty Boy Floyd come a ridin',
Dillinger, too, big as life. They weren't alone,
There was Al Capone and a Mack called Mack the Knife.
They were the law (Yes, they were the law)
And they didn't know fear.

I've also got lyrics to the classic "Oh My Darin' Barney Fife" (to the tune of Oh, My Darlin' Clementine") if anyone's up for that one......

Should we throw confetti? I actually typed a post with no typos.....miracle of miracles.....so proud.

Also there's a listing of the "Music of the Darlings", if anyone wants to read that.....just let me know.....

Is there a Ballad of Ernest T. Bass? I loved Howard Morris in that role. Barney: "He's a nut!"

Most favorite line from The Andy Griffith show was Gomer as he chases Barney and the sheriff's car down the street: "Citizen's arrest! Citizen's arrest!"

Favorite Aunt Bee scene was her playing "Chinatown, My Chinatown" on the piano after drinking too much of the tonic she bought from a traveling salesman:

Chinatown, my Chinatown,
Where the lights are low,
Hearts that know no other land,
Drifting to and fro.
Dreamy, dreamy Chinatown,
Almond eyes of brown
Hearts seem light and life seems bright
In dreamy Chinatown.

As Barney exclaimed, "She's gassed!"

Oh Z...."Citizen's arrest".....so totally hilarious! ...Gomer is so funny...

Aunt Bee "gassed", too...that's a good one, z!

Also liked Floyd....what an idget.

I'll look for the "Ballad of Ernest T".....could be one in there, not sure! Hope so! I bought that paperback for my husband and it is almost falling apart from both of us looking at it whenever we need a good laugh.
You brought up "Ernest T." ---
I loved the epi when Barney and Andy were going to try to try to socialize Ernest T. (so he could find a woman) and took him to a dance (telling the hostess, Mrs. Wiley, that he was Andy's cousin Oliver Gossage from Raleigh.

Ernest T. greeted her with "How - do - you - do - Miss - uss - Wy-leeeee!"

Well here are a few of the songs by the Darlings: (the songs that "made 'em cry" ) ---

"Slimy River Bottom" -- makes Charlene cry
"Dirty Me, Dirty Me, I'm Disgusted With Myself" -- makes Briscoe cry
"Never Hit Your Grandma With a Great Big Stick" --makes Charlene cry

The songs mentioned in the show but never played:

"Tearin' Up Your Old Clothes for Rags"
"Wet Shoes in the Sunset"
"Tow Sack Full of Love"
"Anniversary Waltz" (also called "Dance Till Your Stockings Are Hot and Raveling"

I like that last one best! ha!

What a classic show...

P.S. If anyone wants the lyrics posted to "Oh My Darin' Barney Fife" just say so.....it also has an extra couplet added by Andy -- added when he snuck up on the unsuspecting Barney!

Betty and Sally go on a drive, mother explains how she met the father. They drive by church.

ESP is released. Don sees a show on flying saucers, reminds him of a book of literary criticism the young crew has recently talked alluded to about the literary "east: and the literary "west" of the United States of America.

Some of the staff attend the NYC premiere of Diary of a Chambermaid.

UCLA college basketball.

Julio Cortazar's Cropios y Famas published.