.....I know - just fascinating.....I'm sure this thread will be a real screamer - ha!

This is also the first cocktail I ever tasted and learned to make because my parents drank them.

Hey Dry...do a Drink&Smoke and give us the recipe.

(Just kiddin', D&S! I copied down all your drink recipes and they're all good!)

Good article. Points out that the terms Canadian and Rye really are not interchangeable.

Drink Old Overholt. Clean toy car windows with Seagrams -- but only if you want sticky windows.

Here is the best recipe for a "Rye" Manhattan:

Pour two ounces of Old Overholt over ice.
Recap the vermouth and put it back in the cabinet -- behind everything else.
Give the cherry to your granddaughter
Drink the thing before the ice melts.
Say something catty about New Yorkers.
Repeat.

So Dry, did you do a Sally Draper and make them for your parents, cause I think DavidM's recipe would have been super easy for even a kid to follow.
That article looked like it could have been written by a Maddict. Me-ow!!!

That is an interesting article, and I don't even drink. I found the mention of the Sazerac cocktail interesting as there used to be, way back in the mists of time, a bar in my little town called "The Sazerac". I used to pass it daily on my way to and from work. Mornings, of course, it was closed, but leaving work at 5 o'clock I usually could hear music as I passed, and see people going in and out. I don't know what it was about the place, but it had the most mysterious allure for me - maybe it was the name. This was my first job, and I was only 18, fresh out of high school, and no way would I have had the courage back then to actually enter the place on my own. It was not a dive, the folks going in and out were well dressed in the suits and dresses of the time. I can picture it in my mind's eye, a dark green door with a round window in it, with always closed curtains covering the windows on either side of the entrance. Just one lit up sign over the door spelling out the name "Sazerac" in gold. I believe it It was there for some 30+ years, but the owner died, and the place was closed before I was ever able to experience a Sazerac or anything else at the Sazerac.

As I said, I don't partake of alcoholic beverages, so I have no interest in bars. Why this particular one has stayed in my memory so long I have no idea, but whenever I hear that old song "Green Door", I always picture the Sazerac. "When I said Joe sent me, someone laughed out loud behind the green door...."

.....SCfan.....I would not presume to step on Drink&Smoke's toes since this is his area of expertise.

Apparently Rye is common to most, but not all, the Manhattans, not just the dry version. There are Scotch, Galliano, Southern Comfort, Brandy, Perfect and even Pomegranate Manhattans.

Some versions of the drink are garnished with maraschino cherries, some with a cocktail onion, and a number of other things as well.

I learned to make two or three variations, for my parents, including the original Dry Manhattan with a lemon twist.

My favorite version was my mother's choice, garnished with a couple of cocktail olives.....Hence my icon (not a true Dry Manhattan) but I'd have to do some research for the name of that one....

Ho.....Call me "Sally!"

Dry Manhatten, did you call? ;o) Look at this thread...SCfan's got a recipe book going, DavidM is adding to the recipe book and zerelda is painting pictures of a classy home town pub. Nice!! I'll hang out and make sure everyone is drinking and writing responsibly. Carry on, Dry!

Hey, D&S! ....."drinking and writing responsibly"........?

Now, what's the fun in that?!

(Hee!)

; - ]

.....D&S.....I did, indeed!

zerelda.....The only Sazerac I can find at the moment is in New Orleans.....fairly sure it is not your "Sazerac" but, evidently, yours wasn't the only one....

http://www.gumbopages.com/food/beverages/sazerac.html

Great story, though. As always, your posts are eloquent and literary. You should start a blog.

The one and only time in my life I ordered a martini was in St. Louis on my honeymoon. We were waiting for a table in an Italian restaurant on "the hill" and, although we had reservations, the wait was quite long. The owner gave us seats by the bar and told the bartender to give us a drink on the house to make it up to us. I did not want a drink, but was nudged by my better half, so I ordered what he was having, a gin martini on the rocks, with 2 olives. It sat in front of me while he drank his, and then he placed his empty glass in front of me and took my martini. Not being a drinker, and young and naive, I thought the bartender would take the drink back if he found out I wasn't going to drink it. I was told later that the martinis were excellent. My husband judges all restaurants on the quality of their martinis. The food can be mediocre, but if the martini is good, he'll go back. He usually only has one drink, so you wouldn't think it was that important, but to my darling a good martini is a wonderful thing. This restaurant was quite a good one, and I remember the food and the atmosphere and the fact that we were on our honeymoon, but he remembers the martinis.

Neat memory, z...and guess what? St. Louis is also where a certain Mr. Jonathan Daniel Hamm was born on March 10, 1971.

Cool city.

You know what's weird/humbling as all get out, z?

JH was just a little kid during your honeymoon right there in his hometown (that is assuming you were married somewhere around 1976 (when I was).....which would mean he was 5 when I was just married (and 25) in August of that year........

......suddenly I feel ancient!

Actually, he wasn't even born, as I was married in '70. Will be 39 years in September. Well now I feel old....

Sorry...I need forty lashes with a wet noodle....

= - \

That is great, however, z...to be married nigh on to 40 years...quite an accomplishment in this crazy old love 'em and leave 'em world!

.....While we are talking about drinking, I supposed it's not untoward to bring up smoking - again!

Check out these images of cigarette advertising and smoking.

Evidently, the Lucky Strike blurb “It’s Toasted” was an actual ad campaign running in the early Sixties.

.....The discrepancy between the "shiny happy people" images and the reality is unsettling.

Yes, Dry...especially all those blindingly white teeth and glowing complexions!

Drinking and smoking...did you call, Dry? ;o) Great research on the smoking ads! Did anyone else feel like maybe MM used the Kent ad to duplicate a Don Draper?

Very observant, D&S...I wouldn't be a bit surprised...

.....I thought the same thing. Anything's possible. Also, the man in the photo looks familiar, but not because of his resemblence to Jon Hamm.....

I kinda liked the ad with Rock Hudson and his "rich tasting" Camels...too bad he never got a chance to die from lung cancer.

I think he was underrated as an actor...esp. in "Giant"...he was a better actor than he is remembered as.

He was hilarious in "Pillow Talk", too. I don't think there was ever better chemistry in movies than his and Doris Day's.

I am a media lawyer in Indianapolis (soon to be 72) and I have a fond recall of my fater-in-law coming to Indy for the first time in 1968. We went to one of the few nice restaurants then in Indy and he ordered a manhattan on the rocks, then proceeded to tell me what a great drink this happened to be. The waiter brought over the drink, he took one swallow and spit it out. He said "What in the world did you use for whiskey?" The reply, "Bourbon." He then stated that no civilized place would ever put bourbon in a manhattan, only rye whiskey. The puzzled waiter went back and had a proper manhattan delivered. To his dying day, my father-in-law proclaimed that "Do you know what they do in Indy? They try to make a manhattan with bourbon." I learned to love a rye manhattan but it is almost impossible to find anymore. I love the show and the characters. Hope that the rye manhattan can make a comeback.

Interesting story, Dan B., thanks for sharing and welcome (if you're new...I believe you might be?) to the forum.

I know this is kind of off topic, but, is anyone else getting grossed out by that ad for how "Brenda" "cured her yellow teeth"??

Not to mention the ones for stretch marks, wrinkles, cellulite, etc.

Yeck!!!!!!!

.....Dan.....Great story. My mother was the Dry Manhattan drinker and was rather particular about it also. The irony there is that my father was a bourbon drinker (but it was never a problem)!

SCfan.....People on other forums are complaining about the same thing. I just tune them out, except for the cool ones.

Thx for the comments. Yes, I am a new devotee of the series. We had just ordered and rec'd the first season and am waiting for Season 2 which I suppose will released to Netflx this summer. I noticed that Don Sl complained about wearing a pin collar shirt which I used to wear but can no longer find, at least in Indy...not the worst tragedy in this spinning world. And so it goes...

.....Dan.....What is a pin-collar shirt?

Not sure, Dry...butI think it might be the kind Roger sometimes wears, where there's a metal bar (pin) that slides through the collar tips to hold them together around the tie...called a collar pin?

Anybody know for sure?

Here's Roger wearing a collar pin anyway:

http://blogs.amctv.com/season_2_mad_men_photo_gallery/eisode-9-don-freddy-roger-1.php

bad link... sorry

.....That's okay - I looked it up. What a great look - very natty!

They do seem to (somewhat) be bringing back "dressed," and that would be a great touch on a modern look.

Yes...a pin collar shirt. I meant to say John Slattery,who wears one quite often in the show. If you go back to the 30's-40's you would see Cary Grant wearing one in different movies. Was society dressier then? Am I the only one who wishes that people would dress up at work and at airports etc. There was a day when we travelled on prop planes only and you would wear attractive clothes all dressed up to be transported by air. We would fly into Manhattan to do the paper on a mid-west merger then go have the two marini/manhattan lunch or dinner. Also, I cannot find a tab collar shirt either. They were commonly sold only a few years ago but, of course, not in the 50's-60's.

Just the musings of an older chap. And so it goes...

Well, I agree with Dry...I think they (pin collar shirts) look very dapper...let's face it, anything on Cary Grant----- (he'd even look good in a "leisure suit"...remember those tacky things??)----- makes whatever it is look good....just because he's the one wearing it!

.....Came across these links re: Arlo Weiner, future fashion czar.....

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/alltherage/2009/04/arlo-weiner-sartorial-scion-of-mad-men-creator-serves-up-style-advice.html

http://www.latimes.com/features/lifestyle/la-ig-arlo-0405-pg,0,4733658.photogallery

[P.S. - I read he said, "No monacle...."]

....with that monacle and his top hat, he's partway to that outfit that the Monopoly guy wears....

...that is one kid who marches to his own drummer....good for him....

....or Mr. Peanut....not making fun....simply an observation....

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