I don't think he will marry her.

What is up with that new girl Joy and those very strange people who live in that house, I don't get it. Also, what was he looking at when he was drinking the drink in the pool.

Hi Zerelda. Or...Jane will realize she doesn't want to be with this old guy and drop him!

I think Don was looking at a crack in the glass he was drinking from. I wish this was broadcast in HD! Anyway, great metaphor for his cracking life.

Roger is just blind with lust. Reality will sink in when he has to face the cost of the divorce, when he realizes he has nothing in common (except sex) with a 20 year old and when he has to face the disappointment of his own daughter for his behavior.

Roger still has his rose colored glasses on when it comes to Jane. As good as Jane may be in bed, eventually he has to talk to her. Her poetry will become lame and can you imagine Jane at a client dinner meeting? When the waiter asks hJane for her ID, that will be enough to send the clients running!! Cheers. ;o)

Back to Roger and Jane, the subject of this thread, no, I do not think they will marry. Roger will drop her to avoid the poor house first or Joan will accidently drop a typewriter on Jane's head.

Roger and Jane won't marry. Rog is the Silver Fox and all but the moment he can't keep up with the youthful Jane's stamina, she'll kick him outta bed! Or he'll figure "it's cheaper to keep her" and not divorce Mona.

I don't see a walk down the aisle for Roger and Jane. But I have a real bad track record of predicting what these characters will do.

I think Mona's gonna clean Roger out before Jane can "collect".

Probably by the time a wedding could happen, the stress of the divorce could bring on another heart attack OR Jane walks out on Roger on the eve of their wedding because he's been cleaned out, and THEN Roger will cardiac (but not die), and be crying for Mona again.

I don't know if Mona would be there for him again or not.

Hi fellow Maddicts!
I don't think the nuptuals will occur. I think Roger is going to find out from his atty. what this divorce is going to cost him. I also think the first time he and Jane go out somewhere and someone mistakes him for her grandfather he'll wake up! Which reminds me, has his daughter met Jane yet? How much you wanna bet they were sorority sisters?!
I was disgusted when Roger said "I don't want to die with that woman". Of course, he was referring to Mona when talking with his atty.
Hey Roger!! Did you forget, you DID almost die with "that woman"??!!
Wait till he has chest pains again....who will take care of him? My guess is Jane will be too busy writing poetry!

I think Jane will come to her senses. Once she realizes Roger will be broke after the divorce, his appeal will wane. And the fact he is old enough to almost be her GRANDfather! Somehow I see Roger and Joan ending up together.

....I'm going with zerelda. Joan and the typewriter on the head.

JoMarley: There's another thread that talks about the JetSet people in Palm Springs.

Back to this topic: I vote NO, the marriage will not take place.

60's Child. Jane won't be writing poetry, she'll be pulling the plug.

Nah, they won't marry. Roger has already gotten from Jane what he was after and he will do the divorce math.

Joan and his plans are going to collapse at the same time.

But geez, you guys are rough. He doesn't look like her, or anyone's, grandfather. The actor is all of 46. Too old for Jane, but not Joan!

I agree with Andy Denver, Roger doesn't look THAT old. Next to Jane, yes, he looks much older than her 20 years.

Roger didn't look out of place with Joan (there's probably 15 years between them) because the age difference isn't so extreme as it is with Jane.

no no no, roger's only in his very late 40s to early 50s. old enough to be jane's father, yes....grandfather...no.

i also predict, and hope, that the path to their marriage will be blocked by a) roger's reality check when the divorce/alimony bill is presented to him; b) roger's heart condition, plus all the stress of the divorce process, PLUS the trouble that duck will cause him at the office, causes roger to be impotent with jane and as a very young woman, that will be a BIG turnoff (and rightly so); c) roger's infatuation fades when he realizes how f atuous and insipid jane really is; d) jane breaks his heart by dallying with a man her own age.

Very unlikely. The scene with the two of them in the bed....well it wasn't too appetizing because of the 30 year age difference. I also thought Roger didn't look healthy at all. One romp too many with Jane could be his last.I figure she'll grow tired of him,meet a guy closer to her age who is successful and she'll drop Roger.or Roger may find out he'll be wiped out financially and back off. Either way it's a no go.

Might happen or might not. I think she will start to feel like this isn't for her and pull away once she see how the divorce is handled. I can go either way. Me personally will marry his sexy ass today if he asked no matter how his divorce ends up but thats me!lollol

As always, though, Roger is looking for the easy fix - the buyout. It astounds me that Roger and Bert can be so easily conned because of their greed (i.e. American Airlines). It's like their commonsense flies out the window. Would any of you follow Duck's plan after the AA debacle? I wouldn't.

Jane really wanted Don Draper, I thought, because he's closer to her age, drop dead handsome, and successful (and still a partner). When Don gave her the brushoff, well, it was on to Plan B - Roger Sterling. I think she was playing both of them to see who would take the bait, and I think she was kind of stunned that it was Roger, and not Don. Don't think she was counting on that, but anyone with $$ and position will do - otherwise she wouldn't have been trying for both of them. Don's smarter than Roger in that respect, because Don's got a bit of the con man inside, himself.

Please, I can't believe someone as smart as Jane would consider Dirty Old Man Roger a "good risk" for marriage - unless, of course, she could count on him dying soon. Jane reminds me of Hugh Hefner's Girls Next Door - gross!!

And I can't believe Roger would be so stupid to risk his interest in SC for some roll in the hay, I really thought he was smarter than that.

On the other hand, Jane could totally know what she's doing...

You're right, jamm...I found it hard to believe how gullible Roger and Bert were...out of character for both, I thought.
I do hope Duck gets cooked over that particular stunt for sure!

Jane seems like the ultimate fortune hunter to me. Roger has already had 2 heart attacks. She's only 20, in a few years she'll be a very young rich widow. That's not bad for a few years of "work". Jane's idea of rich is probably much different than Roger's. Once married, I doubt she'll even bother to be nice to him particularly once ED sets in. Poor Roger!

Oh dobiegirl, I don't think Jane did consider Roger a "good risk". I think Jane was counting on snagging Don, but accepted the "left-overs" (Roger) after Don's decisive brush-off. And I sure don't think Jane was planning on Roger divorcing Mona to marry her. Remember, Jane knew Don's marriage was in trouble, and figured she had an "in" and he was available.

I do think Jane's calculating, and enough of an opportunist to figure: "what the hell, I'll marry Roger anyway. He'll croak, and I'll collect the money. It can't be too long."

@scfan: not completely out of character. Both Bert and Roger believed Duck's American Airlines scheme.

I hope there is a scene between Joan and Jane, or maybe a better one would be between Joan and Roger talking about Jane. I remember thinking that Joan was still rather protective of Roger and she would hate the gloating Jane showing up with a ring. Is there any way Joan could change Jane's plans?

When Roger proposed to Jane, she merely nodded her head in assent. Why couldn't she deliver a simple "yes?" This suggests to me that - at the least, Jane is not madly in love, and more likely, she has some big fat ulterior motives. Place your bets on how long the lovey-dovey poetry writing continues past the wedding, if there is one.

You're optimist, Sizzie. If Joan couldn't rein in Jane's behavior when she first started at Sterling Cooper, Joan won't have ANY influence on Jane regarding Roger. Jane will dump Roger in the end, I think.

You're right, though, Sizzie, Joan does act somewhat protective about Roger. I still think she has a great deal of love and affection for Roger. In the upcoming preview, she's introducing her doctor fiance to Roger which surprises me. I can only conclude that Joan is some weird way wants and needs Roger's approval, even though she's been hurt by him. Roger's opinion means something for Joan. And I really don't think she's "showing the guy off" to Roger - it feels like an "do you think I've done okay picking this guy" kind of gesture. If Roger was completely out of Joan's heart/psyche, she wouldn't give a rat's ass about having him meet her fiance.

I am putting money on the following: 1) Pete will adopt his own baby (Peggy Olson's baby). 2) Roger will wake up to realize that his 20 yo girl friend is after marriage, money and position...also, his wife Mona will make out BIG TIME in the divorce court getting at least half of everything (including a quarter of Sterling Cooper....or, Roger will have another heart attack over this and will die before the divorce is final leaving Mona 50%...or, Roger will have another heart attack and become bed ridden or disabled and his girl friend will dump him. 3) Don Draper will somehow get mixed up into something with these odd foreign people whom he has taken up with. And since the time is set in 1963, I think about the Kennedy Assasination or the Martin Luther King Assasination plots.
Something big is on the horizon.

Sweet Judy Blue Eyes, interesting possibilities. That is one of the things I like about MM. The writers, for the most part, don't fence themselves in. Every plot has several paths it could take. Jet Set must have been around September/October 62, the Cold War was going on and Willie and his band were near a high powered aeronautic convention where valuable information was being discussed. That could mean anything for Don.

Joan could show Roger something that puts Jane in a bad light and make Roger lose his lust. Mona or Margaret could become ill or injured sending Roger to their side and leaving Jane back in the hotel.

Almost anything could happen, but I think it is, at least possible, that Don, in his usual suit and hat, will walk into SC, sit down at his desk, and fend off any questions with "What absence?".

sorry, but it's not a realistic possibility for mona to end up with at least 50% of everything. that was not the law of divorce in NY 46 years ago. roger owned all his assets (except perhaps the house, which might be titled jointly) and he would keep them. all she has the right to demand is heavy permanent periodic (monthly) alimony until she remarries or roger dies. however, the alimony obligation in itself is enough to strain roger's cashflow and entire financial picture.

jane probably doesn't know that much about divorce and how it would affect roger's pocketbook, because she's so young, and there were far fewer of them in those days. except, possibly, if jane is from a "broken home", as it was termed back then.

jamm is right, jane wanted don and settled for the much more susceptible and eager roger. jane was hoping to parlay the relationship into a "kept woman" situation - anything not to have to return to trenton or wherever she was from.

Roger's lawyer said something I had not heard before. She( Mona) hold the marriage license and Roger would have to buy it out. I see the truth to that in 1960s legal talk, but had never thought of it that concisely. Mona's power is to refuse to be divorced, isn't it?

Sizzie - One of my mother's friends was divorced in 1964. It was a hugely traumatic situation for their whole group. Her husband was a well to do attorney. This was in New York. He ended up going to Idaho to get the divorce. It cost him a lot in terms of alimony and assets but he had a honey that he really wanted to marry. Yes, Mona can simply refuse the divorce.

No, there's no way they will marry, Jane looked totally shocked when he suggested it as if it had really never crossed her mind. She doesn't seem to me to be the marrying kind - she seems more like the "bed 'em down and have a good time then move on" kind.

Interesting to think of the parallels between Jane and Joy. I have to stew on that a bit more.

My predictions:
1) Roger will lose too much and Jane will dump him.
2) Roger will become way too possesive trying to keep little Janey Bird in a cage and Jane will fly the coop.
3) Roger will have a heart attack and die, but I'd really hate to see that happen. Can't imagine the show w/o him.

Roger has been feeling dead all year. I imagine since the heart attacks that Mona refuses to have sex with him for fear it will kill him. He told the prostitute it had been a while, didn't he? Jane makes him feel alive.

I still believe that Joan and Roger are destined to be together...dumb, I know, but I just can't let it go. So, NO to Jane. Roger can't be that much of an idiot...can he?

kac, sizzle and others... in 1962, mona could "refuse to give him a divorce" because in those days, the "guilty" (ie adulterous) spouse had virtually no right to sue for divorce unless the other spouse had previously done something wrong, such as abandonment. the "innocent" spouse was the one who sued, raising the ground of adultery. entitlement to divorce was based upon fault - you couldn't be the one to seek a divorce if the reason the marriage broke up was your own "fault". only the "innocent" spouse could do that. that's her bargaining chip in negotiations.

thus it used to be that even when the wife was the adulterer, or if both spouses agreed that they should divorce (even if no one had commited adultery) the husband would usually "give the wife grounds" by hiring a woman to play the part of his paramour - they'd be photographed in public together, entering a hotel room together, and fianally the wife's private detective or attorney barges into the room and takes compromising (but not graphic) photos to indicate the husband's adultery - all by prior arrangement between husband and wife and their lawyers. the wife sues for divorce on the ground of adultery, with photos as exhibit A. husband admits the adultery. divorce granted. The husband would pretend to be the guilty party because for social reasons, it was disastrous for a woman to be branded an adulterer, whereas for a man, not so much.

but roger was so stupid, he told mona he wanted to marry another woman! he should never have done that.

this will clarify my prior comment, which assumed that mona was seeking the divorce, in which case she would not have as many rights as she would have today.

Jane will be gone as soon as Roger loses his money. Or his erection. Whichever goes first.

probably the erection will go first, when he starts thinking about the money he will lose/pay to get rid of mona.

Thanks bocaratonfan - really interesting! What do you think Mona could get from Roger in light of the timeframe?

What a clear explanation, bocaratonfan... It's clear as a bell, now. I've lived my adult years in the land of 'irreconcilable differences,' so it helps me understand the dynamics of marriages of the '50s and the options available to Helen Bishop, Mona and Betty. .

kac, in 1962 if mona is the one who files the divorce case, she would get some hefty permanent periodic alimony (usually monthly payments) for the rest of her life or until roger dies, or until she remarries, whichever comes first. if roger and mona owned any assets jointly (in both their names), she could a share of those; no presumption that she gets half; she could get more or less than half of joint assets. she would keep any assets owned in her sole name. roger would keep assets owned in sole name. therefore, since roger alone owns his share of the agency, plus additional assets titled in roger's sole name, it's likely he keeps all of those. that could include the house(s) they live in, the vehicles, the bank accounts, stock, etc.

in that generation, since the husband was usually the sole breadwinner, he'd often put everything in his sole name and it was therefore his sole asset.

that's why instead of rushing to court to divorce him, she will first negotiate a much better settlement for herself, in order to obtain more from roger than the law would give her, as a condition of her agreeing to divorce him (which she doesn't have to do.)

kac, in 1962 if mona is the one who files the divorce case, she would get some hefty permanent periodic alimony (usually monthly payments) for the rest of her life or until roger dies, or until she remarries, whichever comes first. if roger and mona owned any assets jointly (in both their names), she could a share of those; no presumption that she gets half; she could get more or less than half of joint assets. she would keep any assets owned in her sole name. roger would keep assets owned in sole name. therefore, since roger alone owns his share of the agency, plus additional assets titled in roger's sole name, it's likely he keeps all of those. that could include the house(s) they live in, the vehicles, the bank accounts, stock, etc.

in that generation, since the husband was usually the sole breadwinner, he'd often put everything in his sole name and it was therefore his sole asset.

that's why instead of rushing to court to divorce him, she will first negotiate a much better settlement for herself, in order to obtain more from roger than the law would give her, as a condition of her agreeing to divorce him (which she doesn't have to do.)

sorry for inadvertant double post!!

I thing Roger is a hottie. There, I said it.

I really do not know about Jane. I figure she might be from a decent family. Joan said something to her about not having college girls hired very often. I took that to mean that Jane had been to school. I think poor Jane is jsut something for us to think about this season. Like Chelsey, we may never know what became of her someday.