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Fatherhood

A couple people in the open thread mentioned Ibsen's story of Peer Gynt and how it related to Don's character. I was also struck by the connections between to the two. Peer Gynt is the story of a man who, due to his father's neglect and drunkenness, spends his life running, pretending to be what he's not, and trying to redeem what his father so carelessly lost. Specifically, "In the Hall of the Mountain King" (the piece of music played by the boy on the piano at the beginning of the episode) comes at a part in the play where Peer sneaks into the Mountain King's home, insults his daughter, and then must run for his life. The end of the piece of music is loud and crashing because the mountain falls, killing Peer's pursuers, and Peer ends up free.

As I was mini-researching all this and reading, my first thought went to Pete -- he's insulted the daughter of a "Mountain King" (i.e. his father-in-law), and now he is running away. But I also thought about Don and his interaction with Betty's father (the whole "You have no people" situation). The more I thought about it, the more I realized how much this season has focused on fatherhood. Some other connections to this theme that I found:

*Betty being angry with Don because he comes home and is the "hero" dad.
*Don telling Betty that he used to dream about killing his father.
*Don taking the hat off of that guy in the elevator because he was being ungentlemanly (acting as a disciplinarian father figure).
*Betty's father forgetting who she is because of his sickness.
*Betty crying that now she's an orphan.
*Peggy's interactions with the priest from her church (another form of fatherhood -- especially since she seems to not have a father?).
*Pete insistance that he is virile and can father a child without a problem.
*Pete's mother's disgust for the idea of Pete being the father of an adopted child.
*Pete's father's insolvency.
*Pete having no idea that he IS a father.
*Roger's "fatherly" role in Jane's brief career at SC.
*Ken's desire for Sal's approval of what he's written (a weak connection....but it could be argued that since Sal is so much older, he is set as a father figure to Ken).
*The frat boys and Jane breaking into "Dad's" (i.e. Mr. Cooper's) office.
*Mr. Cooper's role as father of SC (and the impending loss of his fatherly role due to the merger).
*Don's uncomfortability with Joy's father being aware of their obviously sexual relationship and Joy's weird relationship with her father.
*Harry Crane becoming a father.
*Duck's strained relationship with his children due to his divorce.
*That weird kid Glen who doesn't have a father and comments on his mom's boyfriends (who aren't father figures).
*Anna saying to Don (in the Christmas flashback) that he wants a family (i.e. fatherhood).
*SC as father to all of its employees.

I feel like the list could go on and on. What I find most interesting, though, is that Joan really seems to be the only one who isn't clearly affected by this fatherhood theme. Sure, she's a member of the staff at SC, so she has that general "father" figure....but it's not enough. Everyone else has some kind of deeper connection to fatherhood, even if its disfunctional, like Don's history with his father. Everyone has some kind of connection, and she doesn't. I would argue that she used to have that with Roger, and still could, but is actively choosing not to pursue that connection. Agree? Disagree? New idea?

So, what do you think, kids? Do we have a bunch of people with Daddy issues? Is the redemption sought by so many of these characters related to their need to atone for the sins of their fathers? How do you think this will all play out in the future?

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Nice and thought out - I can agree with everything you've said but MM is soooo complex and has touched on sooo many things this season also. Never thought about it from that perspective before. BTW HOW DID YOU POST A NEW TOPIC? This site is just plain horrible and a disappointment now Hope someone even reads what u wrote

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I'm glad you wrote this. I was thinking along the same lines with Don. The Bible says something like "the children are doomed to repeat the mistakes of their fathers for three generations".

Don was the son of a drunk and a whore, but also the son of a liar and a frigid christian (I'm assuming she was frigid with him because he was not really her son).

If he is doomed to repeat the sins of his father, how can he possibly be a good man?

If you also look at the real Don Draper as a father figure to him, being that he admired him so much he emulated him, than he also has to add the sins that Don racked up against his wife, refusing to acknowledge her or love her as she deserved.

So what we end up with is a drunken whore-man, who lies, withholds love and approval, and doesn't appreciate his wife.

The only place we've seen him really trying in the past, is with his children, particularly his son. In the first season he went into Bobby's room and told him he would always tell him the truth if he asked. He has so many people who helped to bring him up in his youth, and he does not want to emulate any of them, but it is true that we often do become our parents without even realizing it.

Now Don has returned home to the one parent he would truely trust and admire, Anna, and through that visit has come to decide to resurect himself and try again.

Sorry this got a bit lengthy. I do go off sometimes.

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kcarson:
I enjoyed reading your thoughtful post.

To your question: "Is the redemption sought by so many of these characters related to their need to atone for the sins of their fathers?" I think it is. In the case of Dick Whitman he tried to erase his past and exorcise his father altogether by becoming someone new, but old Archie still haunts him.

I think the hobo who was educated, well-mannered and kind became more a "father figure" to young Dick Whitman than the abusive & drunk Archie whose place was marked with the sign of a dishonest man.

Don/Dick knows that he carries the same mark--that his very identity is dishonest as is his relationship with Betty.

His dishonesty is balanced by his gentleness with his own children and by his loyalty to clients and to friends like Freddy. His cheating makes him disrespectful of his wife but he showed he is respectful of women when he quietly shut up the loud mouth in the elevator. How many men have the courage or caring to do that for a stranger?

Don/Dick is a fascinating character and it's his desire to separate himself from his roots that makes him interesting to me. As to how it will play out ??? The MM writers continue to surprise me each week. And I enjoy reading the insights of those who make thoughtful and respectful posts at this board.