What hotel are they at? The Bev Hills Hotel? I just stayed there in April and the pool looks familiar, but if it is, they obviously had to set it back a bit, especially the valet and front entrance.
Oh if ever there was a wrong question for the wrong person! Don denies himself nothing and even though he lectured Pete about staying focused on work (“You want to be on vacation, Pete? Cause I can make that happen") he decides to go to Palm Springs with the random woman he met at the bar. Poor Pete was left in the lurch.
Don just grows women. People are forever trying to figure him out.
I like that grifting idea, greensweater. For once, Don looks out of his element and weak. Cally, back then and still a little, is a totally different world than what we're used to on the East Coast (just got back after a month so no disrespect!). Hope he makes it out! He's a PW'd fool!
I think "grifted" is a possibility. These foreigners who have no jobs seem a tad suspicious, like a band of poseurs living off others. Very odd. I must admit, seeing Don blow off work seems weird. Unless he looked at all this talk of missles and decided it was a foolish errand.
Those people seem very weird, I think Don is going to get into alot of trouble with this girl! I get bad vibes. Don is so damn stupid he put pleasure before business its the other way around. I love the fact he made pee brain stay with the business partners and refuse to let him have fun! yeah don on that part!LOL
Oops, they finally slipped up…
As best I can tell, the convertible Joy was driving is a 1963 Mercedes 230SL. But according to the shows time line it’s August or September of ’62 and that car wasn’t even introduced to the public until March of ’63, a full six months later. Gotcha!
He cuts his boyfriends hair... or he was at beautican before... that was funny... Peggy didn't look as horrified as most gals c.1962 would have been...
Did they use the word "homosexual" then? I thought it was referred 'queers' or 'gay'? Any feedback? Don's hair looks weird! For once, he turns me off, I only like him in the 'strong man' position~I know, I'm fickle!
This young lady, a friend of another young lady who works for me, was his GF in college and for a while after. Now she's married, and whenever MM comes on, her husband asks her "Did you sleep with that guy?" She always replies "No, of course not." But, as an aside, she told my friend, "Of course I did, what am I? Crazy?"
Stephanie Jo19 - The usage of "gay" started in the 70's. In 1962 that word wasn't used, or it wasn't in mainstream use.. Homosexuality was thought to be a psychological disorder then. "Queer" was insulting as was "fag" - but they were used, anyway!
So Don see's Someone whom looked EXACTLY like Peggy in the hotel bar. Then he's introduced to this group. While Joye is leaving for palm springs or some place , she speaks just like Betty. Then in the pool Joye 's eyes appear to be Betty's.
Peggy's hair doesn't appear very different, except the colour. Don has run away, for the moment... Now he Dick Whitman. Don's airline bag at the Door ... Damn this was a short episode. We all had better watch it again , probably missed it all.
Hello and HELP! I travel extensively for my company, and although I stay at nice locations - Hampton Inn and Homewood Suites, I can't always get AMC - is there a way to download the full length of the CURRENT episodes and watch them on my laptop??!! The 3 minute snip-its from past episodes don't get me there with what's happening NOW! Please help!!
Don leaves Pete high and dry with the clients! I love it! Anything to get that guy. I love Don in casual clothes! How ironic that he would ask Joy "Who are you?" Did anybody think he was having that heart attack people have been predicting when he fainted at the pool? The gay guy giving Peggy a make-over; what a hoot! I love all the literature in bed. Duck is a real skunk; I guess it was a matter of time when he picked up with everybody shoving it in his face all the time. I guess he will finally get his comeuppance now. Advertising must have been like being a bartender and trying to maintain sobriety.Now, I know the closing song tonight,
"What'll I do?" sung by Johnny Mathis. I thought Don might have been calling home to talk to his kids except for that he was looking up the number. Who is he meeting? I love the way they said "Kurt is a homo" when Pete came back .
In the coming attractions, Don says to Betty that 'she made him do it' and I'm going back to her Dad telling Don that he has nobody. Now he feels that he has to account for some family, who Dick Whitman was calling.
Don leaves Pete high and dry with the clients! I love it! Anything to get that guy. I love Don in casual clothes! How ironic that he would ask Joy "Who are you?" Did anybody think he was having that heart attack people have been predicting when he fainted at the pool? The gay guy giving Peggy a make-over; what a hoot! I love all the literature in bed. Duck is a real skunk; I guess it was a matter of time when he picked up with everybody shoving it in his face all the time. I guess he will finally get his comeuppance now. Advertising must have been like being a bartender and trying to maintain sobriety.Now, I know the closing song tonight,
"What'll I do?" sung by Johnny Mathis. I thought Don might have been calling home to talk to his kids except for that he was looking up the number. Who is he meeting? I love the way they said "Kurt is a homo" when Pete came back .
Anybody remember how Betty said two episodes ago that 'she had a dream about luggage' or something? When she was on the phone with Don telling him about her father? Then the luggage shows up on the doorstep? Looks like Don's skipping town. Jesus! I thought seeing those kids were going to compel him to go back home. Also, good call on the grifters.
I must admit, while there were some excellent bombshells dropped, I found Don's interlude overlong. Anyone else think so? Rare criticism from me. However, it did strike me that Don the Moviegoer had stepped into one of his decadent foreign films from the early 60s.
I like how the Duck gets courage with the booze. Reminded me of that speech in the Lost Weekend Ray Milland delivers -- 'I'm Michaelangelo, molding the beard of Moses...I'm John Barrymore before movies got him by the throat.' Duck's clearly an artist when he soused.
Who'd Dick call? I'm guessing the woman at the car dealership.
I agree, those people Don met up with are trouble, and if he isn't careful, he is going to have more trouble than he ever imagined. It did seem odd he passed out after the 'strange drink' they gave him at the pool. I don't like this route they are taking Don down, but love to see him out of that suit! He may need this West Coast experience to bring things into perscpetive. Not sure. SO GLAD Peggy agreed to have that pony tail chopped off!!!
I have to agree that they jumped the shark on this episode. It was completely convoluted and contrived. I'm disappointed - well, except for the fact that someone finally cut Peggy's hair.
I"m sorry so many found this episode boring .... I LOVED it!
The music in California was perfect, so dream-like. The colors, the style of the Palm Springs house, the clothes .... Don au naturel. This was truly one of the more scrumptious episodes.
I'll suffer through any phase Don/Dick is going through ... only it won't be suffering.
Don has found hisself the real-life Hotel California. "Up ahead in the distance/ I saw a shimmering light/ My head grew heavy and my eyes grew dim/ I had to stop for the night." Oh, Don--he's in way over his head. These people could take him for all he's worth. Something very trippy is happening--Joy has Betty's voice EXACTLY.
Don didn't send his bag home, he never showed up at the hotel, so they shipped it to the address on the tags.....just think what Betty will think when she finds it. And Pete had to make his way home, not knowing whether Don had flown back on his own.
Don off on a lost weekend-ish fling with the international leisure crowd......I think he'll be brilliant, knowing his ability to take on a new persona at will.
I see Duck as a short-timer, SC will never let the Brits buy them out, even if Roger needs dough.
Yes, the luggage is definitely a recurring motif.
I was wondering what Betty meant in last weeks's episode when she called Don at his hotel room to tell him that her
father had suffered a stroke, and prefaced that news with the remark that she'd dreamt of a 'suitcase'.... I assumed it was some reference to something in the first season (which I still haven't seen), Does anyone remember or know or want to hazard a guess at to what she meant by that somewhat cryptic remark? TIA
Actually, the use of the term "gay" was common way before the sixties....even Cole Porter used to use it in songs in the 1930s (he did a song about why George Raft's bull wouldn't sire: "Georgie's bull is beautiful/ but he's gaY"). It was "code", though, so it would be more accurate to say that it didn't filter through to mainsteam culture until the 1970's.
What is the tune playing when Don sees the Betty look-a-like from behind at the bar?
I'm female and the "Don naked" comments are just embarrassing. Is that all it takes for some of you to watch?
I've been telling everyone about this show and tonight it hit rock bottom. I'm sorry I recommended it. Jane made a reference to taking "magic mushrooms" at the beginning, and I think somehow the mushrooms invaded the whole episode.
I agree with producer bonnie. I think the writers took the week off and gave us crap. Give us back our show.
It is a scam - drugged at the pool...the strange beat when Don assumed out loud that they were wealthy...the weird interchange when the old geezer comes into Joy and Don's bedroom ("oh, he's beautiful", followed by her "Papa, ne touches pas"). Yes, the kid at the pool did look like a young Dick Whitman, that's when there's a noticeable change in Don's/Dick's demeanor. What name does he say on the phone? Phillip??
The question is who did he call that he knew the number and they answered? Seems like he has called before as Dick and we didn't know it. There seemed to be no surprise or drama on the other end because Don didn't react to anything. And what did he write down? Looked short whatever it was.
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C'mon guys....Peggy is now officially hot!!
Smarts and a great haircut.
I lost a bet though....would have bet everything they would have closed this episode with a Dylan song
I just thought of something
They gave him a drink and then,.,,
later, one of them says "Oh your wallet fell out" ...that's how they know he's in advertising...
Something is rotten in Denmark,
This episode did not keep my attention. It was too far out there. It was all over the place. I remember the previews thinking this was going to be a good show. What happened? I was very disappointed.
I loved this epi--very lyrical and poetic. Lots of mirroring. Roger and Don are mirroring each other's lives in being swept away by young dark-haired nymphets, but Roger is feeling the tentacles of civilization wrap around him more tightly while Don has the illusion at least of total liberation--he doesn't even have his things with him (though they're waiting for him at the house--symbol symbol symbol). Then there is all the Hitchcock-Vertigo business of Don seeing Betty everywhere he goes. And every woman is Betty, while Peggy turns out to be multiple women. And there's Duck on substances in NY paired with Don on substances in Cali.
If all these themes weren't clicking in, I'd still be totally grooving on the Eero Saarinen designs. Plastics, baby.
Someone mentioned that "What'll I Do" is sung in the Redford "Gatsby"--another work of art setting the old East against the young West, the past against the future.
i don't think the writers are going to take don out of the office for long, at least i hope not. the office setting is more entertaining. it's weird that don was attracted to joy-i don't think she's his type. In the past he has gone for the stronger, independent type. he usually has affairs with women who are very different from betty.
Yes very dreamlike..though I think Don is breaking out a bit, from what? Well don't know..but he likes it...and am curious...who did he call at the end..he called as himself..not Don..Hmmmm!!!
But gotta say...those Eurotrashers seemed a bit cartoony, bad casting or intentional?
I agree that this is the first time we have seen Don as a "fish out of water" and not the alpha male. He could be in trouble, but I think he will leave the Jet Setters and meet this person who knows him as Dick Whitman.( Not the woman in the car agency; she was looking for the real Don Draper.) The guy on the train who recognized him as Dick from the army is a possibility, but it could be someone we don't know. (He does have the person's phone number written down in his "little black book.") Remember that Don has blood pressure problems too, which could account for his passing out. I agree that the suitcase was sent by the airline and not by Don; also agree that the boy at the pool is the same actor who plays Don/Dick as a child.
This show is never boring. It's all in the dialogue. If Shakepeare was a 21st century guy and he was writing screenplays for TV..this is what he would be writing. The best dialogue ever...even when the scene seems irrelevant (of course, it never is). To all the writers....YOU ARE THE BEST/
It appears my prediction from last week that the show would begin to change and many of you wouldn't hang with it may be coming true. I knew it! People get out of your shark tanks! This was one of the best episodes ever. They've opened up tons of new directions for storylines. Not to mention we're finally going to get some answers about Dick Whitman.
Peggyann, perhaps, but recall she knew he wasn't Don Draper -- and it was pretty clear he wasn't going to convince her otherwise.
tamtam, that's what I thought about the luggage, too -- when Don didn't turn up, they sent it home.
Visan, I figured you'd love this one. While I love Big D and his character is the most compelling, his companions were incredibly boring and self-indulgent. I actually found the Duck's plotline more compelling than Don's. Never thought I'd say that.
Loved that Peggy got the makeover. She looked good. Poor Sal. At least five more years in the closet for him.
Dr. D, "jump the shark" refers to an episode of Happy Days, when Fonzie announces that he is going to jump (on water skis) over a shark or sharks. In TV parlance, it is used to mean a show has run out of ideas and has proceeded to the ludicrous.
The glass Don was staring at at the end had a crack in it. I wonder why that prompted him to make the phone call as Dick? I loved this episode! Lots of new plots and stories to follow. I say Don ends up opening a west coast division of SC! California is perfect for him. Lots of people floating about with bizarre pasts.
Someone here was asking about the music during the
hotel lounge scenes. It was so familiar to me as well, but
couldn't quite place it. I'm going to make a wild stab and
say it's the score, written by ______ ????? for Lawrence
of Arabia, and just to quell my curiosity googling LoA to see
when it came out.... 1963? So what year does this episode purportedly take place? Someone upthread said 1962.....
Well, I gotta say I hated the whole California part of this episode - I thought Don was a jerk to ditch Peter Dykeman Campbell after telling him he had to work and not play - I did not like that group of "nomads" at all - that whole scene is going to come back and bite him in the seat of his white boxers. Then, of course, we get the whole "Hello, this is Dick Whitman" scene, and I guess that made everything all better.
I refuse to even acknowledge Roger and his little poet in bed together - I hope Mona gets it all.
I always love the office scenes so much and tonight we had some good ones, didn't we?
Poor Sal - I wanted to just throw my arms around him - anything to shield him from that world of hurt that was thrown all over him. But, on the other hand, now he knows he is not alone in the office. I bet Ken gets his lighter back post haste!
I am getting really worried about Paul and Sheila.
Finally, let us all raise a glass in memory of Peggy's late, unlamented ponytail - not you, Duck, you've obviously had enough - here, have a donut!
This storylines in this episode seemed shorter. This episode pissed me off as well because why would Don be cooped up with these weird ass people that talk in codes right in front of him. I can't understand why Don is doing this. I hope Betty leave him for good he is really a true man slut. In all I love the hell out of this show and always will!! Also, Poor Sal he looked like he wanted to choke at the damaging comments.
This episode was kinda trippy. Love the Palm Springs modern house! Awesome to see Don there in 60's casual. Most importantly Don between the sheets! He's like a fish out of water though w/the jet setters.
Spys? I don't think so. These people have always existed. People of this kind of wealth are used to getting what they want and how they want it. I think Joy made that clear. Her dad checking in on them in bed was a bit creepy though!
I knew Kurt was gay! I loved how matter of fact he was! I'm glad that he and Peggy are becoming buds. She so needed a gay man's touch on her style!
Came in late from helping out a friend. Just getting to watch encore presentation. So far lovin' it!! Don fits in soooo well with these group of nobodys. I'm sure everyone is who they'd like to be. I d
Now...who is Miss Babushka and what does this mean?
I also predict a very nasty divorce for Rog.
What hotel are they at? The Bev Hills Hotel? I just stayed there in April and the pool looks familiar, but if it is, they obviously had to set it back a bit, especially the valet and front entrance.
Don just saw the future — "total annihilation" — and decided Palm Springs with a hottie was not such a bad idea.
My wife predicts Don's being grifted.
“Why would you deny yourself something you want?”
Oh if ever there was a wrong question for the wrong person! Don denies himself nothing and even though he lectured Pete about staying focused on work (“You want to be on vacation, Pete? Cause I can make that happen") he decides to go to Palm Springs with the random woman he met at the bar. Poor Pete was left in the lurch.
Don just grows women. People are forever trying to figure him out.
Don isn't wearing his wedding ring.
"I'm Joy" - she sure is for Don...
I like that grifting idea, greensweater. For once, Don looks out of his element and weak. Cally, back then and still a little, is a totally different world than what we're used to on the East Coast (just got back after a month so no disrespect!). Hope he makes it out! He's a PW'd fool!
Nice of him to abandon Pete so he could go off on his little mini-vacay..
I think "grifted" is a possibility. These foreigners who have no jobs seem a tad suspicious, like a band of poseurs living off others. Very odd. I must admit, seeing Don blow off work seems weird. Unless he looked at all this talk of missles and decided it was a foolish errand.
Is that the entire female population of this board I hear screaming/melting?
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errrr....I think Don is having a dream. There's something eerily dreamlike about it.
Those people seem very weird, I think Don is going to get into alot of trouble with this girl! I get bad vibes. Don is so damn stupid he put pleasure before business its the other way around. I love the fact he made pee brain stay with the business partners and refuse to let him have fun! yeah don on that part!LOL
Don between the sheets! That BODY!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Don't experience did seem dreamlike.
Poor Sal. That "I knew queers existed but I don't want to work with them" comment from Ken must've made him so uncomfortable.
The actors' accents are horrific this episode! But Don naked makes up for it!!!
Lame Duck fell off the wagon!!!!
Oops, they finally slipped up…
As best I can tell, the convertible Joy was driving is a 1963 Mercedes 230SL. But according to the shows time line it’s August or September of ’62 and that car wasn’t even introduced to the public until March of ’63, a full six months later. Gotcha!
and Duck falls of the wagon ...
good to see how focused on work the men of Sterling Cooper are this episode
I totally think Don's getting grifted... and Duck's a bastard.
queer eye for the straight girl?
Finally, someone told Peggy about those damn bangs!!!
OMG Peggy's ponytail is history!!!!
I'm sooo happy to see the SC crew getting face time!! They deserve it!!!
Eh, and didn't that guy drop his accent when he said, "it's okay, it's good"?
Yah, poor Sal. He was so upset.
Every girl must have that gay best friend who'll tell you your style sucks! Really!!!
Hey Visan, I have the inside dope from someone who slept with John Hamm.
"It's OK... I am very good!"
He cuts his boyfriends hair... or he was at beautican before... that was funny... Peggy didn't look as horrified as most gals c.1962 would have been...
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Did they use the word "homosexual" then? I thought it was referred 'queers' or 'gay'? Any feedback? Don's hair looks weird! For once, he turns me off, I only like him in the 'strong man' position~I know, I'm fickle!
Okay Mcmere ... spill! That's totally cruel to throw that comment out there and leave us hanging (no pun intended)
seriously, what's the inside dope?
McMere: That's between Mr. Hamm and whomever! I'll stick to lusting after him in Don Draper mode!
Is Don consorting with Russian spys?
joy is curiously similar to betty
Hi
first time comments here but I have been reading your board for the entire season. I am totally hooked.
side issue: Anyone else sick of the hotels.com commercial with the guys blowing straws into the bath tub?
back to the show. Don is an idiot to be getting wrapped up with that gang.
Don's gonna let his love for his kids get in the way of another romp!!
Okay, what's with the glass Don was staring at in the pool?
Duck is soooo going to get fired.
love peggy's do.
Peggy finally looks stylish! Thank God! She's a pretty girl and needs to show that more. Women with beauty and brains rock!!!
This young lady, a friend of another young lady who works for me, was his GF in college and for a while after. Now she's married, and whenever MM comes on, her husband asks her "Did you sleep with that guy?" She always replies "No, of course not." But, as an aside, she told my friend, "Of course I did, what am I? Crazy?"
don passed out right after the weirdos gave him a drink. something is going on
"Hello, It's Dick Whitman." Whoa!
More Don flesh!!!! To hell with them damn gray flannel suits! He should wear the least amount of clothes each show!! LOL!
I hate this episode.....
Who the crap did Dick Whitman just call???
Don sent his bag home. WOW!!
Don's got a contact in cali that know's him as Dick Whitman.....OMG
OHMIGOSH!
The shot of Don on the couch, with his LEFT arm over the couch .... like a reverse negative of the MM logo.
I love this show. I could just eat it with a spoon!
Absolutely no Self-Absorbed Bitch this episode!!! Fabulous!!!!! One of my favorite episodes evah for that reason alone!!!!
Dick Whitmen ?!?!
certainly opening some pretty large storylines
Stephanie Jo19 - The usage of "gay" started in the 70's. In 1962 that word wasn't used, or it wasn't in mainstream use.. Homosexuality was thought to be a psychological disorder then. "Queer" was insulting as was "fag" - but they were used, anyway!
Oh, I don't want to suffer through Don's/Dick's extended West Coast mid-life crisis.
So Don see's Someone whom looked EXACTLY like Peggy in the hotel bar. Then he's introduced to this group. While Joye is leaving for palm springs or some place , she speaks just like Betty. Then in the pool Joye 's eyes appear to be Betty's.
Peggy's hair doesn't appear very different, except the colour. Don has run away, for the moment... Now he Dick Whitman. Don's airline bag at the Door ... Damn this was a short episode. We all had better watch it again , probably missed it all.
Dick Whitmen ?!?!
certainly opening some pretty large storylines
Baffling episode. I don't think he sent his bag home. I think the airline lost it and then delivered to his home.
this episode was boring...hope they're building up to something good
Lucky Strike -- I think maybe the airline lost his luggage, or something happened with the hotel? Watching the rebroadcast now ....
Hello and HELP! I travel extensively for my company, and although I stay at nice locations - Hampton Inn and Homewood Suites, I can't always get AMC - is there a way to download the full length of the CURRENT episodes and watch them on my laptop??!! The 3 minute snip-its from past episodes don't get me there with what's happening NOW! Please help!!
Don leaves Pete high and dry with the clients! I love it! Anything to get that guy. I love Don in casual clothes! How ironic that he would ask Joy "Who are you?" Did anybody think he was having that heart attack people have been predicting when he fainted at the pool? The gay guy giving Peggy a make-over; what a hoot! I love all the literature in bed. Duck is a real skunk; I guess it was a matter of time when he picked up with everybody shoving it in his face all the time. I guess he will finally get his comeuppance now. Advertising must have been like being a bartender and trying to maintain sobriety.Now, I know the closing song tonight,
"What'll I do?" sung by Johnny Mathis. I thought Don might have been calling home to talk to his kids except for that he was looking up the number. Who is he meeting? I love the way they said "Kurt is a homo" when Pete came back .
In the coming attractions, Don says to Betty that 'she made him do it' and I'm going back to her Dad telling Don that he has nobody. Now he feels that he has to account for some family, who Dick Whitman was calling.
Don leaves Pete high and dry with the clients! I love it! Anything to get that guy. I love Don in casual clothes! How ironic that he would ask Joy "Who are you?" Did anybody think he was having that heart attack people have been predicting when he fainted at the pool? The gay guy giving Peggy a make-over; what a hoot! I love all the literature in bed. Duck is a real skunk; I guess it was a matter of time when he picked up with everybody shoving it in his face all the time. I guess he will finally get his comeuppance now. Advertising must have been like being a bartender and trying to maintain sobriety.Now, I know the closing song tonight,
"What'll I do?" sung by Johnny Mathis. I thought Don might have been calling home to talk to his kids except for that he was looking up the number. Who is he meeting? I love the way they said "Kurt is a homo" when Pete came back .
My mother was born in 1949 and her mother named her Gay.
Yup, airlines lost his luggage, found it, and sent it to the house.
My mother was born in 1949 and her mother named her Gay.
I s Don being drugged by the exotic foreigners?There was some sort of residue in his glass
Did anyone notice one of the young kids looked exactly like Don as a child?????
Anybody remember how Betty said two episodes ago that 'she had a dream about luggage' or something? When she was on the phone with Don telling him about her father? Then the luggage shows up on the doorstep? Looks like Don's skipping town. Jesus! I thought seeing those kids were going to compel him to go back home. Also, good call on the grifters.
I must admit, while there were some excellent bombshells dropped, I found Don's interlude overlong. Anyone else think so? Rare criticism from me. However, it did strike me that Don the Moviegoer had stepped into one of his decadent foreign films from the early 60s.
I like how the Duck gets courage with the booze. Reminded me of that speech in the Lost Weekend Ray Milland delivers -- 'I'm Michaelangelo, molding the beard of Moses...I'm John Barrymore before movies got him by the throat.' Duck's clearly an artist when he soused.
Who'd Dick call? I'm guessing the woman at the car dealership.
I agree, those people Don met up with are trouble, and if he isn't careful, he is going to have more trouble than he ever imagined. It did seem odd he passed out after the 'strange drink' they gave him at the pool. I don't like this route they are taking Don down, but love to see him out of that suit! He may need this West Coast experience to bring things into perscpetive. Not sure. SO GLAD Peggy agreed to have that pony tail chopped off!!!
I have to agree that they jumped the shark on this episode. It was completely convoluted and contrived. I'm disappointed - well, except for the fact that someone finally cut Peggy's hair.
Elsie:
I closed my eyes momentarily when Joy was speaking to him--
and the intonation, cadence, everything was Betty. What's
up with that !!! MM creative?!
Don recognized that blonde at the hotel bar. She pretended she didn't see him.
NRG101, not sure. Try hulu.com.
Oh yeah, Betty's luggage dream!
Maybe Don had the mushrooms Jane was worried about and fell down the rabbit hole.
Yes, that was his lost luggage returned by the airline. He said his luggage was lost when they got to the hotel.
NRG101 - we can't help. You don't need to ask over and over.
The hotel looked like the Peninsula to me.
I think Don is heading for trouble with his new friends.
Don is off the deep end! What do you all think Joy's entourage is involved in? Talk about it at the the Mad Men Lounge Mad Men Forums.
MAYBE THAT was DONS WIFE AT THE BAR????
Had to get your attention
So what's that Don is drinking, absinthe?
I"m sorry so many found this episode boring .... I LOVED it!
The music in California was perfect, so dream-like. The colors, the style of the Palm Springs house, the clothes .... Don au naturel. This was truly one of the more scrumptious episodes.
I'll suffer through any phase Don/Dick is going through ... only it won't be suffering.
Didn't Peggy's hair look a lot redder after her makeover? Did he have some hair dye in his jacket?
Don has found hisself the real-life Hotel California. "Up ahead in the distance/ I saw a shimmering light/ My head grew heavy and my eyes grew dim/ I had to stop for the night." Oh, Don--he's in way over his head. These people could take him for all he's worth. Something very trippy is happening--Joy has Betty's voice EXACTLY.
Don didn't send his bag home, he never showed up at the hotel, so they shipped it to the address on the tags.....just think what Betty will think when she finds it. And Pete had to make his way home, not knowing whether Don had flown back on his own.
Don off on a lost weekend-ish fling with the international leisure crowd......I think he'll be brilliant, knowing his ability to take on a new persona at will.
I see Duck as a short-timer, SC will never let the Brits buy them out, even if Roger needs dough.
I also thought this episode was great! Don is so freaking handsome but looks so lame and goofy with these freedom riders! LOL
What does "jump the shark" mean?
Whoa, when Don got into the car she asked if he needed or wanted to get any of his things and he said NO.
Gosh, this really should be a nightly series, Darn AMC
Yes, the luggage is definitely a recurring motif.
I was wondering what Betty meant in last weeks's episode when she called Don at his hotel room to tell him that her
father had suffered a stroke, and prefaced that news with the remark that she'd dreamt of a 'suitcase'.... I assumed it was some reference to something in the first season (which I still haven't seen), Does anyone remember or know or want to hazard a guess at to what she meant by that somewhat cryptic remark? TIA
Actually, the use of the term "gay" was common way before the sixties....even Cole Porter used to use it in songs in the 1930s (he did a song about why George Raft's bull wouldn't sire: "Georgie's bull is beautiful/ but he's gaY"). It was "code", though, so it would be more accurate to say that it didn't filter through to mainsteam culture until the 1970's.
What is the tune playing when Don sees the Betty look-a-like from behind at the bar?
I'm female and the "Don naked" comments are just embarrassing. Is that all it takes for some of you to watch?
I've been telling everyone about this show and tonight it hit rock bottom. I'm sorry I recommended it. Jane made a reference to taking "magic mushrooms" at the beginning, and I think somehow the mushrooms invaded the whole episode.
I agree with producer bonnie. I think the writers took the week off and gave us crap. Give us back our show.
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It is a scam - drugged at the pool...the strange beat when Don assumed out loud that they were wealthy...the weird interchange when the old geezer comes into Joy and Don's bedroom ("oh, he's beautiful", followed by her "Papa, ne touches pas"). Yes, the kid at the pool did look like a young Dick Whitman, that's when there's a noticeable change in Don's/Dick's demeanor. What name does he say on the phone? Phillip??
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The question is who did he call that he knew the number and they answered? Seems like he has called before as Dick and we didn't know it. There seemed to be no surprise or drama on the other end because Don didn't react to anything. And what did he write down? Looked short whatever it was.
@NRG101: You can download every full-length episode of Mad Men on iTunes, although sometimes the latest episode isn't available for a day or two, sometimes longer.
C'mon guys....Peggy is now officially hot!!
Smarts and a great haircut.
I lost a bet though....would have bet everything they would have closed this episode with a Dylan song
I just thought of something
They gave him a drink and then,.,,
later, one of them says "Oh your wallet fell out" ...that's how they know he's in advertising...
Something is rotten in Denmark,
Heat exhaustion my ass! Don takes a drink from these people an 30 seconds later he passes out. WTF?!
Right on, JimK!
This episode did not keep my attention. It was too far out there. It was all over the place. I remember the previews thinking this was going to be a good show. What happened? I was very disappointed.
I loved this epi--very lyrical and poetic. Lots of mirroring. Roger and Don are mirroring each other's lives in being swept away by young dark-haired nymphets, but Roger is feeling the tentacles of civilization wrap around him more tightly while Don has the illusion at least of total liberation--he doesn't even have his things with him (though they're waiting for him at the house--symbol symbol symbol). Then there is all the Hitchcock-Vertigo business of Don seeing Betty everywhere he goes. And every woman is Betty, while Peggy turns out to be multiple women. And there's Duck on substances in NY paired with Don on substances in Cali.
If all these themes weren't clicking in, I'd still be totally grooving on the Eero Saarinen designs. Plastics, baby.
Someone mentioned that "What'll I Do" is sung in the Redford "Gatsby"--another work of art setting the old East against the young West, the past against the future.
I HEART this show!
i don't think the writers are going to take don out of the office for long, at least i hope not. the office setting is more entertaining. it's weird that don was attracted to joy-i don't think she's his type. In the past he has gone for the stronger, independent type. he usually has affairs with women who are very different from betty.
Yes very dreamlike..though I think Don is breaking out a bit, from what? Well don't know..but he likes it...and am curious...who did he call at the end..he called as himself..not Don..Hmmmm!!!
But gotta say...those Eurotrashers seemed a bit cartoony, bad casting or intentional?
I agree that this is the first time we have seen Don as a "fish out of water" and not the alpha male. He could be in trouble, but I think he will leave the Jet Setters and meet this person who knows him as Dick Whitman.( Not the woman in the car agency; she was looking for the real Don Draper.) The guy on the train who recognized him as Dick from the army is a possibility, but it could be someone we don't know. (He does have the person's phone number written down in his "little black book.") Remember that Don has blood pressure problems too, which could account for his passing out. I agree that the suitcase was sent by the airline and not by Don; also agree that the boy at the pool is the same actor who plays Don/Dick as a child.
Sorry for being dense, but is Self Absorbed B**ch supposed to be Betty? If so, I don't see her as self-absorbed. If it's someone else, whom?
This show is never boring. It's all in the dialogue. If Shakepeare was a 21st century guy and he was writing screenplays for TV..this is what he would be writing. The best dialogue ever...even when the scene seems irrelevant (of course, it never is). To all the writers....YOU ARE THE BEST/
What’s with all this Jump the shark talk?
It appears my prediction from last week that the show would begin to change and many of you wouldn't hang with it may be coming true. I knew it! People get out of your shark tanks! This was one of the best episodes ever. They've opened up tons of new directions for storylines. Not to mention we're finally going to get some answers about Dick Whitman.
Peggyann, perhaps, but recall she knew he wasn't Don Draper -- and it was pretty clear he wasn't going to convince her otherwise.
tamtam, that's what I thought about the luggage, too -- when Don didn't turn up, they sent it home.
Visan, I figured you'd love this one. While I love Big D and his character is the most compelling, his companions were incredibly boring and self-indulgent. I actually found the Duck's plotline more compelling than Don's. Never thought I'd say that.
Loved that Peggy got the makeover. She looked good. Poor Sal. At least five more years in the closet for him.
Dr. D, "jump the shark" refers to an episode of Happy Days, when Fonzie announces that he is going to jump (on water skis) over a shark or sharks. In TV parlance, it is used to mean a show has run out of ideas and has proceeded to the ludicrous.
Does anyone think Don is being wrote out of the Mad Men script in order to pursue his "silver screen" career?
You can tell how bad this episode was by the lack of comments. Last week they were burning up the board, this week - meh.
The glass Don was staring at at the end had a crack in it. I wonder why that prompted him to make the phone call as Dick? I loved this episode! Lots of new plots and stories to follow. I say Don ends up opening a west coast division of SC! California is perfect for him. Lots of people floating about with bizarre pasts.
DR. D — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark
Someone here was asking about the music during the
hotel lounge scenes. It was so familiar to me as well, but
couldn't quite place it. I'm going to make a wild stab and
say it's the score, written by ______ ????? for Lawrence
of Arabia, and just to quell my curiosity googling LoA to see
when it came out.... 1963? So what year does this episode purportedly take place? Someone upthread said 1962.....
Well, I gotta say I hated the whole California part of this episode - I thought Don was a jerk to ditch Peter Dykeman Campbell after telling him he had to work and not play - I did not like that group of "nomads" at all - that whole scene is going to come back and bite him in the seat of his white boxers. Then, of course, we get the whole "Hello, this is Dick Whitman" scene, and I guess that made everything all better.
I refuse to even acknowledge Roger and his little poet in bed together - I hope Mona gets it all.
I always love the office scenes so much and tonight we had some good ones, didn't we?
Poor Sal - I wanted to just throw my arms around him - anything to shield him from that world of hurt that was thrown all over him. But, on the other hand, now he knows he is not alone in the office. I bet Ken gets his lighter back post haste!
I am getting really worried about Paul and Sheila.
Finally, let us all raise a glass in memory of Peggy's late, unlamented ponytail - not you, Duck, you've obviously had enough - here, have a donut!
This storylines in this episode seemed shorter. This episode pissed me off as well because why would Don be cooped up with these weird ass people that talk in codes right in front of him. I can't understand why Don is doing this. I hope Betty leave him for good he is really a true man slut. In all I love the hell out of this show and always will!! Also, Poor Sal he looked like he wanted to choke at the damaging comments.
This episode was kinda trippy. Love the Palm Springs modern house! Awesome to see Don there in 60's casual. Most importantly Don between the sheets! He's like a fish out of water though w/the jet setters.
Spys? I don't think so. These people have always existed. People of this kind of wealth are used to getting what they want and how they want it. I think Joy made that clear. Her dad checking in on them in bed was a bit creepy though!
I knew Kurt was gay! I loved how matter of fact he was! I'm glad that he and Peggy are becoming buds. She so needed a gay man's touch on her style!
Came in late from helping out a friend. Just getting to watch encore presentation. So far lovin' it!! Don fits in soooo well with these group of nobodys. I'm sure everyone is who they'd like to be. I d