Didn't the "real Don Draper " say he was going to L.A. when he got out of the army?
Read "The Velveteen Rabbit" to my niece today. Somehow reminded me of D.D. Well, so I am obsessing - it's only 7:11 in LA. Gotta do something to fill the time
Yes, definitely! I am watching the credits for Pete's Mom, if it is Anita Dangler, then she was on Little House. Who is Bets sister-in-law? Did she play the child on the Children of Stepford Wives? I always notice the secondary characters from previous movies. Any help out there?
Thats funny Jonathan my hubby was thinking the same thing!! Actually he looks younger than McCain. Hilarious how some people think alike. Ok back to the Madmen posts though Bettys dad just groped her and forgot who she was, I feel bad for Bets her father is really sick.
yeah, betty's dad does remind me of john mccain. and what is the deal with betty? she has sex with don then doesn't let him back into the house? she needs to go to a real shrink!
Good for Bets. She's trying to show him that she has some power. And besides, what woman could lay there with that man sleeping below. I was thinking "Go Bets, Go Bets"!
By crnacc on October 5, 2008 9:37 PM
yeah, betty's dad does remind me of john mccain. and what is the deal with betty? she has sex with don then doesn't let him back into the house? she needs to go to a real shrink!
I'm almost wondering if this was Don's dream sequence maybe. She seemed so cold to him the next morning, but.... Lust can be that way sometimes, I think she just wanted him - period.
I agree that she needs even more help than her prior shrink was able to give her.
Is anyone else digging (in a very strange way) Betty's new "little husband"?
And didn't he look like a little Don Draper in that oversized t-shirt?!
I've been watching this entire episode waiting for someone to wake up .... Don, from Betty in the middle of the night. Betty from her "I came to rescue you" young superhero.
But now that's she's sending Little Don back to his home, does that clear the way for Big Don to come back to his home?
I LOVE THIS SHOW !!!!
(yes to the McCain comment by the way ... i thought the exact same thing!)
...and she's not even a teacher!! She needs A LOT of attention and she seeks it from whoever will give it to her. Not abnormal with real men, many women out there like that, but a pedophile? YUK!
I agree Stephanie Jo she is showing him she needs her sexual feeling but still want take his sh*@. I like the fact she is not budging for him whatsoever.
So many touches in this show throw me back; Betty's Dad's comment about how Don has no "people" and you can't trust someone with no
people; a phrase my own family used a lot. I am actually starting to feel sorry for Don; this show makes you almost feel sorry for everyone except for maybe Pete, Roger and Kinsey.. It is shocking to me how cruel Pete and his brother are in regards to their mother's financial situation. There is a lot of loss in this show, I think that's what get to you. I think Joan embarrassed Kinsey on purpose asking him for his ticket in front of everyone. Pete once again trying to get sympathy out of Peggy. "Happy Birthday!" was a riot; it is hard to believe how unprofessional that office is; Glen is one weird kid trying to bust a move on Betty. I predict Kinsey will get his ass kicked at that march.
Yes, Mcmere the whole Betty/kid thing IS creepy. But its the only story line involving her that I give a damn about. Her punishing Don...big mistake. Her and the whole affair/set-up with horse boy and her girlfriend....boring housewife crap. She's fun to look at but really self-centered and she kinda bums me out.
omg, what a bitch Betsy is. go ahead, give the old man a romp in the hay, and say 'we were pretending'. While Don could have used the opportunity to acquiesce, she certanily pulling him around my his nutsack. Not cool, even by 60's standards.
Oh yeah whats up with the scenes with Betty and this kid. They make it seem like she has some type of interest, I dont know if it is that he wants to give her attention or the company im confused. It does seem creepy I hope it doesn't go the touchy feely way because my views will change of the sweetheart Betty.
Funniest scene: Betty and Glenn sitting on the couch watching cartoons. Her wearing her shorts, blouse and little-girl hair-do, sipping a Coke out of a straw. In that moment, she looked the happiest she's been all season.
Paul Kinsey on the bus to Selma??.... don't you think those black guys are going to eventually have to beat him up and toss him out the window? He is one arrogant, annoying snob. I don't know how Sheila can stand him.
Jonathan, yes, I thought the same thing - John McCain!
I love this show so much - thank you Matthew Weiner et al for intelligent television!
I loved seeing Glen and Helen again. I hope Betty and Helen get to be friends, although I hope Don and Betty don't divorce - please, say isn't so, Matthew!
Betty is not a pedophile - she and Glen have a soul connection. He understands her the way she wishes Don would. The fact that Betty called Helen proves she isn't a pedophil.
I'll write more later - have to watch the encore presentation.
I agree, Betty and Don's home life doesn't interest me nearly as much as the stuff in the office. Although I adore her little flip hair-do. What ever happened to that? Allan Sherman (remember him?) sang: "See how this one looks on me/Just like Jackie Kennedy..." I think Mary Tyler Moore had that hairstyle for a while.
Don was having a dream...the next morning that pink top bedspread was neatly tucked back on the bad while Don had the tan top cover. But it's kind of funny that the father wants to "get with" Betty as much as Don wants to.
I keep telling folks that Arm Charm Betty is a manipulative skank and folks make like she's a saint! Her storylines bore me and she drags down Don! I hope he gets laid in L.A. No, really gets laid!
BTW, Spiteful Betty will end up preggo by the finale!
I'm just glad that the scenes involving Glenn and Betty are over with. I'm glad that she ratted him out to his mother, I think that finally, Betty realized the creepiness factor of their relationship.
btw, thought that the song at the end as Don and Pete were on the plane together, sounded too futuristic, compared to 1962. Then again, they are traveling to a much more sophisticated destination which really was much more ahead in the coolness factor.
I feel what you are saying Saunterer but Don is a cheating bastard and he deserves whatever Betty throws at him at this moment, She could of been like him and just screwed someone else but instead they are still married and she has the right to love her husband and throw him out.
Betty and the kid is creepy. As a child of the 60's I LOVED the choice of the song Telstar playing when Don and Pete were flying off to LA. Absolutely perfect! Someone gave Pampers as a baby gift, did we have those in the early 60's? I do not remember but perhaps we did.
Don was NOT having a dream, Betsy blew it off by saying "we were just pretending". Women are so callous....OK, Don is callous too, but women are supposed to be less so, right ?
The office people are much more interesting than Betty's weirdo family and Pete's cold relatives!
I want more of the office scenes! Paul and Sheila's interactions were cute! And it's good to see that some folks at SC give a damn--barely--about the world outside them!
What? Are you guys saying that Betty laying on top of Don at her parent's house was a dream-scene? Really? That didn't happen? I have to go watch it again...
Betty's father is acting more like he has dementia than the effects of a stroke. My paternal grandfather had dementia (before many people knew about or understood it) and acted like my mother was his wife. It creeped my mother out and she tried to avoid him, but never told my father. She didn't want to upset him and also thought he wouldn't believe it. My brother-in-law also has it now (Alzheimers) and the last time I visited them he asked her who I was.
honeysuckle, you have a point. Don will never admit his adultery, he's a pig. But she's lowering herself to his level. I would have hoped for better, she's always been good to him.
Visan: Paul could give two shits about the world outside of SC. The only reason he went with Sheila is because Don took his seat to L.A. and he had the time off already planned. I'm not sure his social conscience is what he would have us believe. He's such a pompous asshole, I hope he gets his ass kicked. Paul is to me what Betty is to Visan...
What is the back story of Betty and the creepy kid? I didn't see the first season.
I wonder if Betty's dad has "touched" her before and this is the beginning of why Betty is the way she is. I think that's why we're now seeing a lot of her family. Her brother is creepy too.
Playing Telstar by the Tornados at the very end while Don and Pete are on the plane is a masterful touch. Whoever thought of it goes to the head of the class.
Steph, how can Betsy be so digusted with Don's adultery, and then just hop on for a piece of salami ? That's what you approved of, and even cheered for. Is that the sort of behavior you'd have your daughter perform ?
As far as the kid is concerned, she was being nice to him. As soon as he started to do more than just hold her hand for a minute, she put a stop to it. She knew the kid wasn't getting any warmth from his mother. Once she saw what the kid was up to, she called his mother.
Your innuendo about "uh oh, another one" is disgusting and as misplaced as can be. Don't be juvenile.
Yes--I loved the song Telstar-it was very "futuristic." If I remember right, that was the name of the early unmanned satellite we had launched into space. I think Betts is playing a control game with Don. She will decide what happens--including if or when they will have sex. I think the guy on the bus wearing the hat looked like Barry Obama.
So are Pete and his brother lying to their Mother to protect her from ever finding out that Dad blew all their money? I thought they said Dad blew it all. Does she really have anything left to keep up that snooty lifestyle of hers?
I'm thinking that Pete is ready for another go 'round with Peggy and yet it seems as though he loathes her at times. I guess it must be a physical thing for both of them, Peggy seems so refined towards him and he acts as though he's so much better than she is. I'm thinking that Peggy has had her fill of Pete, she's got the reminder of their baby and the fact that Pete is so narsisstic. (sp)
Any takers that Peggy will offer up the baby to Pete and his wife to solve their "adoption" issue?
Saunterer, I think you're off the mark making value judgments of posters here. It isn't cool. It's a discussion.
And yes, I could see Betty jumping on Don to keep him wondering, and bolstering her courage to make a decision. It was also a way to shoot him down once they got home. Don will call her on it soon.
zabadu, if Don doesn't admit to his adultery, I don't care if it's the 1960's or the 1860's. He's done her wrong, and doesn't give a crap. I understand plenty. He's a pig
STEPHANIE JO -- yes, that Signature scene reminded me of Sex & the City too. When Trey's mother Bunny turned up her nose at the idea of having a Japanese baby in the McDougall family.
Saunterer: Men didn't do that then. You cannot compare a 1960s world to today. It just doesn't work that way. Let me guess, you're about 25, aren't you?
Betty & Glen IS very disturbing...and the fact that she was all alone in the house with a little boy that is so very highly infatuated with her...and having Don's clothes on?
Pete's mother is as arrogant to him as he is to others. But the "market not doing well"...LOL how history repeats itself.
@Laurie: I'm sayin' that at least somebody's perhaps giving a damn about Civil Rights who's associated with SC. And his going made others in the office take note. Not because they liked Civil Rights but they cared about him, maybe. I missed the social conscious that was brought up subtly last season through Midge and the Beatniks. So it's good to see that worked in the plot.
Plus, we all have characters that annoy the piss outta us. And Paul is to Laurie what SAB is to Visan! It's all good! LOL!
I thought I knew something about the early 60s having lived through them but maybe not....
...or are Pete and his family a particularily bloodless lot...the mother talking about disowning her son and daughter-in-law because they want to adopy?
.....Pete and his brother suggesting that their mom should aspire to an early demise because it appears that she will be unable to live in the manner to which she has become accustomed?
... who the hell does Pete think he is anyway..."why do you insist on making me angry before I go to sleep...this is the same man who was will will to "pimp" his wife out to gain some sort of mythical literary career?
.....Betty and Don certainly experiencing a really rough patch in their marriage....I kind of think they might get through this but then who knows?
Betty is just such an adolecent no wonder Glenn is trying to hit on her...
....Glenn is just such a pathetic figure...a child who is forced into an adult role because of a non nurturing mom..looking for love in alllll the wrong places...what made him think he could hide out in Sally's doll house...I just feel so very sory for him.
Don't you love Paul insisting that Hollis call him "Paul" in the elevator as if he'd already told him 100 times....Maybe Hollis ends up on the bus and tells the rest of the freedom riders what a wuss Paul really is.
Maybe it's better that Pete adopt so as to put an end to that creepy bloodline he comes from (although with Pete as a father no child stands a chance at growing up well adjusted). Hasn't there been some buzz about Pete having pontentially been adopted himself (which would make his mother's comments about drawing from the discards even meaner than it was).
I have been defending Betty in the past on the grounds of her drepression, but she is starting to work my last nerve afer this episode...
Visan, I agree so much about the office story lines being more interesting than all the other stuff.
I think the theme tonight — inheritance — can be seen in (of course) the scenes between Pete and his mother, and again in Pete and his wife considering adoption, and again in Betty's father saying of Don that he "has no people." I'm sure I probably missed some other connections.
The scenes from next week of Paul lecturing the freedom riders (remember them?) on Marxist philosophy and advertising looks awfully amusing.
I'm somewhat excited at the idea of an alliance (and more?) between Don and Joan!
Saunt, it's called 'payback'. It's been done over and over and is very typical. And yes, I cheered, cuz that man is sooo hot, I was relating it to how I feel, not exactly for the show. He is her husband after all, and better off getting it from him, then from somebody else. With the kid, she only stopped holding his hand when somebody came in, otherwise, we don't know how long it would have went on for. Uh oh, meant that I thought u approved of the kid's & her actions. Next time you make a comment, make yourself Clear, then I can retort properly. You just left it hanging. Nice try, Saunt!
Betty wasn't molested, her dad had a stroke and thought she was his wife who she looks just like. Her father isn't being himself.
Betty enjoyed glen's innocents and adoration because she is lonely and sad.
Betty slept with don that night because she loves him she misses him, she needed to be close to him. But that doesn't mean that he is allowed to come home. She wants Don but her heart is broken (how is that hard to understand?). After what don has done to her, why would you think betty is being cruel?
These Betty fans need to cease and desist with looking at that flake with blinders! She's an asshole like every character on Mad Men is an asshole, including Don!
With the subtext of Kinsey's involvement in the Civil Rights activities, Mad Men appears more and more to be foreshadowing the coming storm of the 60s, and the disintegration of the postwar 1950s Kodachrome era inhabited by Don Draper and friends. Any info/ gossip on what season 3 has in-store?I have a very strong premonition that the creators of Mad Men have set the trajectory of the series to climax with the assassination of JFK, which is really brilliant considering that the series very deliberately began in 1960, putting it after the 1950s, in that twighlight before the onset of the upheaval and turbulence of the real 1960s. The creators and actors of Mad Men have ingeniously drawn the viewer into a world where they are torn between revulsion at the crude social norms repressing women and blacks, and a simultaneous dread at what is in store once the 60s really take hold and convulse the nation. Thank you Mr Weiner and crew for bringing back ART to TV.
Another awesome episode, and a lot of prologue for next week. I love in the preview when Don in LA says to Pete 'do you really want to see me on vacation, Pete?' or something similar. I always loved when TV shows would have the 'Los Angeles vacation' episode. I think it will be hysterical to watch Don and Pete paint the town. Can't wait to see next week! A few thoughts on this week:
+Betty finally growed up. Some weird child-like stuff with Birdie this week -- saying she's an orphan, fooling around in her childhood room, the weird Glen thing. Laurie B, that image was hysterical -- drinking 'pop' not booze for the first time in awhile. But she clearly grows up a bit in this episode, even kicking poor Don out. She's gotta grow up, he's gotta come clean. It won't work otherwise.
+ Pete was awesome. I have to say, Pete's family sucks, and I was cracking up when he hit his mom with guns blazing over her foolish objection to adoption, as if that bloodline must be propagated at all costs. I also loved when he suggested the movie 'Rope' when discussing killing his mom. I initially thought he was using the 'first flight since my father died' just to get another couch session with Peggy. Maybe he was, but you had to feel a bit for him -- he has no one to talk to. (By the way, Tweetie and Birdie? Parallel marriages? Does Roger call Mona 'Crow' or something?)
+ Kinsey. I liked Hollis' reaction in the elevator when Kinsey said 'can't it wait' about the Civil Rights trip. That, and his ad speak on the bus painted him as pretty out of touch. It should get interesting. Don is clearly going to LA to escape from his troubles, but I think he also watched Kinsey act like an idiot at Harry's party and realize he's not fit to schmooze clients.
Also, I love how Joan and Don gave Roger the cold shoulder, and how Don stood up for Joan a bit by saying she's already doing a fine job holding down the fort.
Lastly, Betty's line about 'just pretending' is rich. Just that last night, or the whole thing?
The use of Telstar was a brilliant musical choice for the end of this episode. After all, what better song than one about a satellite since Don and Pete were flying to a convention of aerospace companies? I loved the way the sunrise slowly illuminated Don's face through the plane portal -- could that represent "a new dawn" for Don?
MartiniUp: See - that's another pompous Paul moment - in the elevator with Hollis - he's a jackass!
Visan: Ohhh I get what you're saying -- Weiner & Co. bringing civil rights into the show... yes, that's cool and I agree with you. I just wish it wasn't Pomp-ass Paul who has that story line. Unless of course, he gets his ass kicked, then I'll love it.
So, I think I've missed something important. Why does Joan hate Paul so much? Did something happen between then during the Kennedy election episode in season 1?
I'm worried about Paul. I was just watching the commentary from season 1's dvd and it was mentioned that they were going to kill off one of the boys but decided that viewers liked them too much. Paul and Sheila keep talking about someone getting shot. Paul's an ass but I don't want him to die.
What did you guys think of Betty's Dad's house keeper/maid. Once again it seems the lower you are on the Mad Men social pole, the more common sense and compassion you have.
this is the best show on tv right now...i must admit, sometimes i get lost in the story line...it changes so much but i guess that's part of the mystery..
You have to read more into the story lines with Betty, Glenn and her father. They're showing a woman of the 1960s. Stuck between her father and her husband, Betty really relates more to Glenn the child because that is how she is treated. The orphan comment mixed with all of it just shows her as a confused person trying to define what she is, who she is and what it is all about.
When I saw Betty on that couch with Glenn I finally realized how correct all of you were in saying she was an overgrown child. The writers basically broke it down for me.
She related to Glenn so much because she feels like she's in the same position. I think when she saw her kids she realized what her role truly was. I also kind of think that now she something to relate to Helen Bishop about; maybe learn a little from her situation.
The way she basically used Don for a sympathy lay and then tried to act like she was the righteous spurned housewife made me think how childish she was.
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I actually felt sympathy for Pete in the scene with his mother. If he's a jerk, then it's clear to see where he learned it from. I was actually kind of gleeful that he was tearing her little glass house down.
Then we see him turn into a thoughtless prick again with Peggy. "You just have it so easy...."
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He's not half as despicable as Mr. Paul Kinsey. UGH!
I wanted to punch him when he called up Sheila only after his West Coast party trip was cancelled. And then the nerve of him talking all that self-important B.S. on that bus ride. Like anyone on that bus ride was on the trip for their health!
He could care less about civil rights as much as he cares about looking the pristine progressive.
Joan had his number a long time ago!
(Joan also obviously dumped any esteem she had for Roger as well. Did anybody catch those darts she was throwing him?)
I now see the theme of this whole episode: ENTITLEMENTS
And there was no "stigma" to adoption in the 60s - it was encouraged and people did it all the time. It's when they started charging a fortune for these poor kids that adoption became too much of a hassle for most people.
Do you think Peggy even ties Pete to the baby, what with her psychosis about it and all?
And I agree, Betty fans scare me. She's got serious problems. Don is faking a whole life. Betty just wants appearances. She had a lot of nerve telling the neighbor how to mother her kids when she's such a bad one herself.
Saunterer called it - Betty didn't want to hurt Glenn's feelings but knew what was best for him, so she got him cleaned up and fed before calling his mother. I don't think she wanted too much drama so she waited until her kids got home to get him out of the way before calling Helen.
Y'all can go ahead and hate me now! But I'm soooo tired of all the scenes of the Draper's house, the Olsen's home and the Campbell manse! Too much emphasis on the home and not enough attention to the SC office has me rather bored! The Smiths and the Fellas and Hildy are interesting. I was happy to watch Sheila (isn't she a doll?) and Paul have a lunch date! Why? Because I'm damn tired of these other people at home!
Season 3 needs to be re-focused on the office! That is what made the first season kick-ass!
Oh common folks, Betty and the kid have an understanding, and Betty is an adult and knows what he's going through. It's probably even telescoping her relationship to her kids for her,
She starting to act like an adult again, and whatever her
feelings toward Don (dream or not), she seems to be coming out of her funk, because the kid is reaching out to her. Yeah, he has a crush on her, big deal.
I loved the surf guitars during the flight as well. I tend to think
they're one of the groups that's reviving that genre.... lol or
the Space Cossacks. But it's not the Space Cossacks, I have the cd in my car, but the name's not coming. Someone upthread said "Telstar", but that doesn't ring any bells for me.
I could be wrong.
I felt that the entire episode was primarily a 'set-up' for what's to come .... plot progression. Yes, I wasn't prepared for Joan's lack of tact in telling Kinsey he was off the trip.
The character's are still new to me, as I haven't seen the
first season (much) and need to remedy that soon.
“The New York Times Magazine” this week contains an article, “Character Issues,” questioning whether Jon Hamm “can pull off the James Gandolfini feat” of being “responsible for ensuring the show’s continuity and coherence” even though others (directors, writers, cast, crew) constantly changed around him. As Tony became more sinister and depraved, Gandolfini (although he personally disliked Tony and hated the violence required of him) entered fully and consistently into his character.
Virginia Heffernan, the writer, “worries” about Jon Hamm. She found Hamm’s portrayal of Don Draper more believable in the First Season than so far in the Second. “Perhaps Hamm, like many Hollywood stars, wants to be liked above all, and Draper is written as less likable in nearly every episode. If the show is to mature and last, Hamm will have to risk being hated.”
If you are interested in reading the complete article, click on the link and scroll down to The Medium, “Character Issues.”
So, I think I've missed something important. Why does Joan hate Paul so much? Did something happen between then during the Kennedy election episode in season 1?
I'm worried about Paul. I was just watching the commentary from season 1's dvd and it was mentioned that they were going to kill off one of the boys but decided that viewers liked them too much. Paul and Sheila keep talking about someone getting shot. Paul's an ass but I don't want him to die.
The line Don uses for the next ep to Pete is "do you want me to make this a vacation for you, because I can". I think Pete will make Don very mad at this convention and might pay a price for it.
Joan and Don tossing daggers at Roger - loved that. In the previews, Roger asks Jane to marry him - I think she'll leave him after that. She herself said she was young and wanted to have lots of adventures.
Visan, I agree. the office scenes make the show. That said, I am jazzed about the idea of 'location' scenes both at a Civil Rights march and in LA, not to mention another flashback like in Hobo Code.
I had to look at my cd. It seems it's a 'cover' of Telstar by
Los Straightjackets or maybe it's Laika and the Cosmonauts.
Funny, that Russians and Hispanics have co-opted surf guitars.
@Sharon: I watch Mad Men because EVERY ONE is an asshole! NONE are saints, despite the insistence of the Betty fans/stans! I hate shows where characters are one-dimensional! And one cannot accuse Mad Men of painting their characters that way....
So, I think I've missed something important. Why does Joan hate Paul so much? Did something happen between then during the Kennedy election episode in season 1?
I'm worried about Paul. I was just watching the commentary from season 1's dvd and it was mentioned that they were going to kill off one of the boys but decided that viewers liked them too much. Paul and Sheila keep talking about someone getting shot. Paul's an ass but I don't want him to die.
Mad Men series creator Matt Weiner and the cast discuss how, in Episode 210: "The Inheritance", Betty is forced to grow up, while Pete and Don do their best to avoid adult responsibilities.
I think, no, I know - Hamm is doing a wonderful job portraying Don Draper. Both last season and this one. His character has many layers yet to even be discovered and he'll pull that off brilliantly.
I love how Joan decides to deliver the message to Paul losing his LS boondoggle in the middle of the baby shower with a "don't shoot the messenger" attitude...and then asks if there is any cake left.
Don't your recall the past episode where the 'team'
was pitching the disposable diaper for their client?
As I recall the water activated granules used in 'pampers' were
an offshoot of the r&d being done for the space program (?)
Does anyone else here remember that, or am I confused? TIA
Madchen - You're right about Joan. Don told her to send Paul a memo, but she took it upon herself to announce it in front of everybody at the shower. She probably did it because of the look Paul gave her when he walked Sheila out for lunch.
This is from next week: On a business trip to Los Angeles, Don becomes acquainted with some exciting new friends. Peggy looks for romance at work. Duck starts thinking about the future of Sterling Cooper.
Paul's entire relationship with Sheila is all just being "stylish". Like when he threw the house party...wearing the ascot with smoking jacket & holding a pipe...He wants everyone to see how liberal & "with it" he is. When he was ousted out of the LA trip...it's suddenly his idea to go on the bus trip.
As a side note "advertising knows no color" NOT TRUE! It definitely knows the color GREEN. Because that is their first objective(why else grab a Jewish guy from the mailroom for the Menken account? And R&C hire a Black guy for their agency?)
Does Betty's dad remind anyone else of old man McCain?
Didn't the "real Don Draper " say he was going to L.A. when he got out of the army?
Read "The Velveteen Rabbit" to my niece today. Somehow reminded me of D.D. Well, so I am obsessing - it's only 7:11 in LA. Gotta do something to fill the time
Yes, definitely! I am watching the credits for Pete's Mom, if it is Anita Dangler, then she was on Little House. Who is Bets sister-in-law? Did she play the child on the Children of Stepford Wives? I always notice the secondary characters from previous movies. Any help out there?
Yup, dementia, a brutal temper, and outlandish accusations. Check, check, and check. I wonder if he was a POW back in WWI?
By looks only of McCain. Let's get off of this BS policital forum, in which this is NOT! Madmen is the show, please!
Was there really that much of a stigma in 1962 when it came to adoption?
Sheesh....
Looks like Petey and his mommy are all about preserving blood lines.
I think there still is a stigma. They portrayed it in a Sex & the City episode when Charlotte wanted to adopt. Not for Angelina though!
So why'd they make Don Draper into a pussy? He was so cool until recently.
Thats funny Jonathan my hubby was thinking the same thing!! Actually he looks younger than McCain. Hilarious how some people think alike. Ok back to the Madmen posts though Bettys dad just groped her and forgot who she was, I feel bad for Bets her father is really sick.
yeah, betty's dad does remind me of john mccain. and what is the deal with betty? she has sex with don then doesn't let him back into the house? she needs to go to a real shrink!
Good for Bets. She's trying to show him that she has some power. And besides, what woman could lay there with that man sleeping below. I was thinking "Go Bets, Go Bets"!
By crnacc on October 5, 2008 9:37 PM
yeah, betty's dad does remind me of john mccain. and what is the deal with betty? she has sex with don then doesn't let him back into the house? she needs to go to a real shrink!
I'm almost wondering if this was Don's dream sequence maybe. She seemed so cold to him the next morning, but.... Lust can be that way sometimes, I think she just wanted him - period.
I agree that she needs even more help than her prior shrink was able to give her.
he is quite sexy, Steph Jo. ;)
This kid is....
Betty and that 9-year-old kid — it's seriously creepy.
Is anyone else digging (in a very strange way) Betty's new "little husband"?
And didn't he look like a little Don Draper in that oversized t-shirt?!
I've been watching this entire episode waiting for someone to wake up .... Don, from Betty in the middle of the night. Betty from her "I came to rescue you" young superhero.
But now that's she's sending Little Don back to his home, does that clear the way for Big Don to come back to his home?
I LOVE THIS SHOW !!!!
(yes to the McCain comment by the way ... i thought the exact same thing!)
...and she's not even a teacher!! She needs A LOT of attention and she seeks it from whoever will give it to her. Not abnormal with real men, many women out there like that, but a pedophile? YUK!
That creepy deal with Glen is beyond scary! I don't like that about the show....
Just sayin'....
And didn't we all know that Helen Bishop would come back .... and that she & Bets would grow to have things in common?
It's over already! They wasted too much time at McCain's house!lol
I agree Stephanie Jo she is showing him she needs her sexual feeling but still want take his sh*@. I like the fact she is not budging for him whatsoever.
So many touches in this show throw me back; Betty's Dad's comment about how Don has no "people" and you can't trust someone with no
people; a phrase my own family used a lot. I am actually starting to feel sorry for Don; this show makes you almost feel sorry for everyone except for maybe Pete, Roger and Kinsey.. It is shocking to me how cruel Pete and his brother are in regards to their mother's financial situation. There is a lot of loss in this show, I think that's what get to you. I think Joan embarrassed Kinsey on purpose asking him for his ticket in front of everyone. Pete once again trying to get sympathy out of Peggy. "Happy Birthday!" was a riot; it is hard to believe how unprofessional that office is; Glen is one weird kid trying to bust a move on Betty. I predict Kinsey will get his ass kicked at that march.
(SIDE NOTE: you know Glen is Matt Weiner's real-life son ....)
Did anyone notice the camera angle where Betty and Helen were kind of duking it out...the cigarettes formed an X, like they were dueling with swords?
Helen Bishop would've been a welcome return until the creepiness with the boy happened. It's just VERY "yuck" all the Glen/Betty thing....
Yes, Mcmere the whole Betty/kid thing IS creepy. But its the only story line involving her that I give a damn about. Her punishing Don...big mistake. Her and the whole affair/set-up with horse boy and her girlfriend....boring housewife crap. She's fun to look at but really self-centered and she kinda bums me out.
omg, what a bitch Betsy is. go ahead, give the old man a romp in the hay, and say 'we were pretending'. While Don could have used the opportunity to acquiesce, she certanily pulling him around my his nutsack. Not cool, even by 60's standards.
Oh yeah whats up with the scenes with Betty and this kid. They make it seem like she has some type of interest, I dont know if it is that he wants to give her attention or the company im confused. It does seem creepy I hope it doesn't go the touchy feely way because my views will change of the sweetheart Betty.
Funniest scene: Betty and Glenn sitting on the couch watching cartoons. Her wearing her shorts, blouse and little-girl hair-do, sipping a Coke out of a straw. In that moment, she looked the happiest she's been all season.
Paul Kinsey on the bus to Selma??.... don't you think those black guys are going to eventually have to beat him up and toss him out the window? He is one arrogant, annoying snob. I don't know how Sheila can stand him.
Jonathan, yes, I thought the same thing - John McCain!
I love this show so much - thank you Matthew Weiner et al for intelligent television!
I loved seeing Glen and Helen again. I hope Betty and Helen get to be friends, although I hope Don and Betty don't divorce - please, say isn't so, Matthew!
Betty is not a pedophile - she and Glen have a soul connection. He understands her the way she wishes Don would. The fact that Betty called Helen proves she isn't a pedophil.
I'll write more later - have to watch the encore presentation.
I agree, Betty and Don's home life doesn't interest me nearly as much as the stuff in the office. Although I adore her little flip hair-do. What ever happened to that? Allan Sherman (remember him?) sang: "See how this one looks on me/Just like Jackie Kennedy..." I think Mary Tyler Moore had that hairstyle for a while.
you need therapy, stephanie joe....
Don was having a dream...the next morning that pink top bedspread was neatly tucked back on the bad while Don had the tan top cover. But it's kind of funny that the father wants to "get with" Betty as much as Don wants to.
I keep telling folks that Arm Charm Betty is a manipulative skank and folks make like she's a saint! Her storylines bore me and she drags down Don! I hope he gets laid in L.A. No, really gets laid!
BTW, Spiteful Betty will end up preggo by the finale!
I'm just glad that the scenes involving Glenn and Betty are over with. I'm glad that she ratted him out to his mother, I think that finally, Betty realized the creepiness factor of their relationship.
btw, thought that the song at the end as Don and Pete were on the plane together, sounded too futuristic, compared to 1962. Then again, they are traveling to a much more sophisticated destination which really was much more ahead in the coolness factor.
Next weeks eppie looks totally yummy.
I feel what you are saying Saunterer but Don is a cheating bastard and he deserves whatever Betty throws at him at this moment, She could of been like him and just screwed someone else but instead they are still married and she has the right to love her husband and throw him out.
Betty and the kid is creepy. As a child of the 60's I LOVED the choice of the song Telstar playing when Don and Pete were flying off to LA. Absolutely perfect! Someone gave Pampers as a baby gift, did we have those in the early 60's? I do not remember but perhaps we did.
Don was NOT having a dream, Betsy blew it off by saying "we were just pretending". Women are so callous....OK, Don is callous too, but women are supposed to be less so, right ?
The office people are much more interesting than Betty's weirdo family and Pete's cold relatives!
I want more of the office scenes! Paul and Sheila's interactions were cute! And it's good to see that some folks at SC give a damn--barely--about the world outside them!
What? Are you guys saying that Betty laying on top of Don at her parent's house was a dream-scene? Really? That didn't happen? I have to go watch it again...
to Marilyn 1966 - I just commented on the song. It came out in 1962, Telstar by the Tornados
Betty's father is acting more like he has dementia than the effects of a stroke. My paternal grandfather had dementia (before many people knew about or understood it) and acted like my mother was his wife. It creeped my mother out and she tried to avoid him, but never told my father. She didn't want to upset him and also thought he wouldn't believe it. My brother-in-law also has it now (Alzheimers) and the last time I visited them he asked her who I was.
honeysuckle, you have a point. Don will never admit his adultery, he's a pig. But she's lowering herself to his level. I would have hoped for better, she's always been good to him.
Saunterer, lookin for a fight? I'm not the one holding hands w/a child. Do u approve of that behavior? Uh oh, not another one!
Visan: Paul could give two shits about the world outside of SC. The only reason he went with Sheila is because Don took his seat to L.A. and he had the time off already planned. I'm not sure his social conscience is what he would have us believe. He's such a pompous asshole, I hope he gets his ass kicked. Paul is to me what Betty is to Visan...
Pampers came out in 1961.
What is the back story of Betty and the creepy kid? I didn't see the first season.
I wonder if Betty's dad has "touched" her before and this is the beginning of why Betty is the way she is. I think that's why we're now seeing a lot of her family. Her brother is creepy too.
Pete annoys me. I hope Don gives him hell.
Playing Telstar by the Tornados at the very end while Don and Pete are on the plane is a masterful touch. Whoever thought of it goes to the head of the class.
Some critic claimed the show this week would be good but I wasn't feelin' it this week! Too much creepiness with Glen and that old dude! Yuck!
Good one, zabadu. You might have something there. Interesting!
Steph, how can Betsy be so digusted with Don's adultery, and then just hop on for a piece of salami ? That's what you approved of, and even cheered for. Is that the sort of behavior you'd have your daughter perform ?
As far as the kid is concerned, she was being nice to him. As soon as he started to do more than just hold her hand for a minute, she put a stop to it. She knew the kid wasn't getting any warmth from his mother. Once she saw what the kid was up to, she called his mother.
Your innuendo about "uh oh, another one" is disgusting and as misplaced as can be. Don't be juvenile.
If Betty were molested previously by her dad, her having thoughts about a young boy may not be far off the mark. But I'm just guessing here.
I don't think Don is a pig. He's a product of his generation. Those who didn't live it don't understand.
Yes--I loved the song Telstar-it was very "futuristic." If I remember right, that was the name of the early unmanned satellite we had launched into space. I think Betts is playing a control game with Don. She will decide what happens--including if or when they will have sex. I think the guy on the bus wearing the hat looked like Barry Obama.
So are Pete and his brother lying to their Mother to protect her from ever finding out that Dad blew all their money? I thought they said Dad blew it all. Does she really have anything left to keep up that snooty lifestyle of hers?
I'm thinking that Pete is ready for another go 'round with Peggy and yet it seems as though he loathes her at times. I guess it must be a physical thing for both of them, Peggy seems so refined towards him and he acts as though he's so much better than she is. I'm thinking that Peggy has had her fill of Pete, she's got the reminder of their baby and the fact that Pete is so narsisstic. (sp)
Any takers that Peggy will offer up the baby to Pete and his wife to solve their "adoption" issue?
Saunterer, I think you're off the mark making value judgments of posters here. It isn't cool. It's a discussion.
And yes, I could see Betty jumping on Don to keep him wondering, and bolstering her courage to make a decision. It was also a way to shoot him down once they got home. Don will call her on it soon.
zabadu, if Don doesn't admit to his adultery, I don't care if it's the 1960's or the 1860's. He's done her wrong, and doesn't give a crap. I understand plenty. He's a pig
STEPHANIE JO -- yes, that Signature scene reminded me of Sex & the City too. When Trey's mother Bunny turned up her nose at the idea of having a Japanese baby in the McDougall family.
Saunterer: Men didn't do that then. You cannot compare a 1960s world to today. It just doesn't work that way. Let me guess, you're about 25, aren't you?
Betty & Glen IS very disturbing...and the fact that she was all alone in the house with a little boy that is so very highly infatuated with her...and having Don's clothes on?
Pete's mother is as arrogant to him as he is to others. But the "market not doing well"...LOL how history repeats itself.
Telstar by the Tornadoes-1962
Ahead of its time
The production folks at AMC must be baby boomers. They nailed this one!
@Laurie: I'm sayin' that at least somebody's perhaps giving a damn about Civil Rights who's associated with SC. And his going made others in the office take note. Not because they liked Civil Rights but they cared about him, maybe. I missed the social conscious that was brought up subtly last season through Midge and the Beatniks. So it's good to see that worked in the plot.
Plus, we all have characters that annoy the piss outta us. And Paul is to Laurie what SAB is to Visan! It's all good! LOL!
I thought I knew something about the early 60s having lived through them but maybe not....
...or are Pete and his family a particularily bloodless lot...the mother talking about disowning her son and daughter-in-law because they want to adopy?
.....Pete and his brother suggesting that their mom should aspire to an early demise because it appears that she will be unable to live in the manner to which she has become accustomed?
... who the hell does Pete think he is anyway..."why do you insist on making me angry before I go to sleep...this is the same man who was will will to "pimp" his wife out to gain some sort of mythical literary career?
.....Betty and Don certainly experiencing a really rough patch in their marriage....I kind of think they might get through this but then who knows?
Betty is just such an adolecent no wonder Glenn is trying to hit on her...
....Glenn is just such a pathetic figure...a child who is forced into an adult role because of a non nurturing mom..looking for love in alllll the wrong places...what made him think he could hide out in Sally's doll house...I just feel so very sory for him.
Don't you love Paul insisting that Hollis call him "Paul" in the elevator as if he'd already told him 100 times....Maybe Hollis ends up on the bus and tells the rest of the freedom riders what a wuss Paul really is.
Maybe it's better that Pete adopt so as to put an end to that creepy bloodline he comes from (although with Pete as a father no child stands a chance at growing up well adjusted). Hasn't there been some buzz about Pete having pontentially been adopted himself (which would make his mother's comments about drawing from the discards even meaner than it was).
I have been defending Betty in the past on the grounds of her drepression, but she is starting to work my last nerve afer this episode...
Maybe Helen & Glen came back into the storyline to acquaint Betty with the idea of ... divorce. And how it affects the children.
Much of this show seems to deal with loneliness .. and finding one's place in this world. And finding your footing again once you lose that place.
Visan, I agree so much about the office story lines being more interesting than all the other stuff.
I think the theme tonight — inheritance — can be seen in (of course) the scenes between Pete and his mother, and again in Pete and his wife considering adoption, and again in Betty's father saying of Don that he "has no people." I'm sure I probably missed some other connections.
The scenes from next week of Paul lecturing the freedom riders (remember them?) on Marxist philosophy and advertising looks awfully amusing.
I'm somewhat excited at the idea of an alliance (and more?) between Don and Joan!
Saunt, it's called 'payback'. It's been done over and over and is very typical. And yes, I cheered, cuz that man is sooo hot, I was relating it to how I feel, not exactly for the show. He is her husband after all, and better off getting it from him, then from somebody else. With the kid, she only stopped holding his hand when somebody came in, otherwise, we don't know how long it would have went on for. Uh oh, meant that I thought u approved of the kid's & her actions. Next time you make a comment, make yourself Clear, then I can retort properly. You just left it hanging. Nice try, Saunt!
Betty wasn't molested, her dad had a stroke and thought she was his wife who she looks just like. Her father isn't being himself.
Betty enjoyed glen's innocents and adoration because she is lonely and sad.
Betty slept with don that night because she loves him she misses him, she needed to be close to him. But that doesn't mean that he is allowed to come home. She wants Don but her heart is broken (how is that hard to understand?). After what don has done to her, why would you think betty is being cruel?
yes he did look like john mccain.
These Betty fans need to cease and desist with looking at that flake with blinders! She's an asshole like every character on Mad Men is an asshole, including Don!
Nicely put, MissSugar!
I LIKE SHEILA'S CHARACTER. AMC SHOULD KEEP HER.
With the subtext of Kinsey's involvement in the Civil Rights activities, Mad Men appears more and more to be foreshadowing the coming storm of the 60s, and the disintegration of the postwar 1950s Kodachrome era inhabited by Don Draper and friends. Any info/ gossip on what season 3 has in-store?I have a very strong premonition that the creators of Mad Men have set the trajectory of the series to climax with the assassination of JFK, which is really brilliant considering that the series very deliberately began in 1960, putting it after the 1950s, in that twighlight before the onset of the upheaval and turbulence of the real 1960s. The creators and actors of Mad Men have ingeniously drawn the viewer into a world where they are torn between revulsion at the crude social norms repressing women and blacks, and a simultaneous dread at what is in store once the 60s really take hold and convulse the nation. Thank you Mr Weiner and crew for bringing back ART to TV.
Another awesome episode, and a lot of prologue for next week. I love in the preview when Don in LA says to Pete 'do you really want to see me on vacation, Pete?' or something similar. I always loved when TV shows would have the 'Los Angeles vacation' episode. I think it will be hysterical to watch Don and Pete paint the town. Can't wait to see next week! A few thoughts on this week:
+Betty finally growed up. Some weird child-like stuff with Birdie this week -- saying she's an orphan, fooling around in her childhood room, the weird Glen thing. Laurie B, that image was hysterical -- drinking 'pop' not booze for the first time in awhile. But she clearly grows up a bit in this episode, even kicking poor Don out. She's gotta grow up, he's gotta come clean. It won't work otherwise.
+ Pete was awesome. I have to say, Pete's family sucks, and I was cracking up when he hit his mom with guns blazing over her foolish objection to adoption, as if that bloodline must be propagated at all costs. I also loved when he suggested the movie 'Rope' when discussing killing his mom. I initially thought he was using the 'first flight since my father died' just to get another couch session with Peggy. Maybe he was, but you had to feel a bit for him -- he has no one to talk to. (By the way, Tweetie and Birdie? Parallel marriages? Does Roger call Mona 'Crow' or something?)
+ Kinsey. I liked Hollis' reaction in the elevator when Kinsey said 'can't it wait' about the Civil Rights trip. That, and his ad speak on the bus painted him as pretty out of touch. It should get interesting. Don is clearly going to LA to escape from his troubles, but I think he also watched Kinsey act like an idiot at Harry's party and realize he's not fit to schmooze clients.
Also, I love how Joan and Don gave Roger the cold shoulder, and how Don stood up for Joan a bit by saying she's already doing a fine job holding down the fort.
Lastly, Betty's line about 'just pretending' is rich. Just that last night, or the whole thing?
Well, my dad had four strokes AND Alzheimers and never groped me, so I don't see that. I see a backstory somewhere.
If you watch the blog, he says this is about "growing up" and "taking charge" - and Don getting slapped in the face by Betty, so he ran.
The use of Telstar was a brilliant musical choice for the end of this episode. After all, what better song than one about a satellite since Don and Pete were flying to a convention of aerospace companies? I loved the way the sunrise slowly illuminated Don's face through the plane portal -- could that represent "a new dawn" for Don?
MartiniUp: See - that's another pompous Paul moment - in the elevator with Hollis - he's a jackass!
Visan: Ohhh I get what you're saying -- Weiner & Co. bringing civil rights into the show... yes, that's cool and I agree with you. I just wish it wasn't Pomp-ass Paul who has that story line. Unless of course, he gets his ass kicked, then I'll love it.
So, I think I've missed something important. Why does Joan hate Paul so much? Did something happen between then during the Kennedy election episode in season 1?
I'm worried about Paul. I was just watching the commentary from season 1's dvd and it was mentioned that they were going to kill off one of the boys but decided that viewers liked them too much. Paul and Sheila keep talking about someone getting shot. Paul's an ass but I don't want him to die.
Poor Freddy, I miss him already.
I second that, Miss Sugar!
VISAN - if you truly think everyone on this show is an asshole, why do you watch?
What did you guys think of Betty's Dad's house keeper/maid. Once again it seems the lower you are on the Mad Men social pole, the more common sense and compassion you have.
this is the best show on tv right now...i must admit, sometimes i get lost in the story line...it changes so much but i guess that's part of the mystery..
Why does Don bump Paul from the LA trip? Just so he can take his place and get away from the Betty problems for a while?
You have to read more into the story lines with Betty, Glenn and her father. They're showing a woman of the 1960s. Stuck between her father and her husband, Betty really relates more to Glenn the child because that is how she is treated. The orphan comment mixed with all of it just shows her as a confused person trying to define what she is, who she is and what it is all about.
When I saw Betty on that couch with Glenn I finally realized how correct all of you were in saying she was an overgrown child. The writers basically broke it down for me.
She related to Glenn so much because she feels like she's in the same position. I think when she saw her kids she realized what her role truly was. I also kind of think that now she something to relate to Helen Bishop about; maybe learn a little from her situation.
The way she basically used Don for a sympathy lay and then tried to act like she was the righteous spurned housewife made me think how childish she was.
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I actually felt sympathy for Pete in the scene with his mother. If he's a jerk, then it's clear to see where he learned it from. I was actually kind of gleeful that he was tearing her little glass house down.
Then we see him turn into a thoughtless prick again with Peggy. "You just have it so easy...."
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He's not half as despicable as Mr. Paul Kinsey. UGH!
I wanted to punch him when he called up Sheila only after his West Coast party trip was cancelled. And then the nerve of him talking all that self-important B.S. on that bus ride. Like anyone on that bus ride was on the trip for their health!
He could care less about civil rights as much as he cares about looking the pristine progressive.
Joan had his number a long time ago!
(Joan also obviously dumped any esteem she had for Roger as well. Did anybody catch those darts she was throwing him?)
I now see the theme of this whole episode: ENTITLEMENTS
And there was no "stigma" to adoption in the 60s - it was encouraged and people did it all the time. It's when they started charging a fortune for these poor kids that adoption became too much of a hassle for most people.
Do you think Peggy even ties Pete to the baby, what with her psychosis about it and all?
And I agree, Betty fans scare me. She's got serious problems. Don is faking a whole life. Betty just wants appearances. She had a lot of nerve telling the neighbor how to mother her kids when she's such a bad one herself.
Saunterer called it - Betty didn't want to hurt Glenn's feelings but knew what was best for him, so she got him cleaned up and fed before calling his mother. I don't think she wanted too much drama so she waited until her kids got home to get him out of the way before calling Helen.
Does anybody know the real name of Pete's mother?
Y'all can go ahead and hate me now! But I'm soooo tired of all the scenes of the Draper's house, the Olsen's home and the Campbell manse! Too much emphasis on the home and not enough attention to the SC office has me rather bored! The Smiths and the Fellas and Hildy are interesting. I was happy to watch Sheila (isn't she a doll?) and Paul have a lunch date! Why? Because I'm damn tired of these other people at home!
Season 3 needs to be re-focused on the office! That is what made the first season kick-ass!
Oh common folks, Betty and the kid have an understanding, and Betty is an adult and knows what he's going through. It's probably even telescoping her relationship to her kids for her,
She starting to act like an adult again, and whatever her
feelings toward Don (dream or not), she seems to be coming out of her funk, because the kid is reaching out to her. Yeah, he has a crush on her, big deal.
I loved the surf guitars during the flight as well. I tend to think
they're one of the groups that's reviving that genre.... lol or
the Space Cossacks. But it's not the Space Cossacks, I have the cd in my car, but the name's not coming. Someone upthread said "Telstar", but that doesn't ring any bells for me.
I could be wrong.
I felt that the entire episode was primarily a 'set-up' for what's to come .... plot progression. Yes, I wasn't prepared for Joan's lack of tact in telling Kinsey he was off the trip.
The character's are still new to me, as I haven't seen the
first season (much) and need to remedy that soon.
“The New York Times Magazine” this week contains an article, “Character Issues,” questioning whether Jon Hamm “can pull off the James Gandolfini feat” of being “responsible for ensuring the show’s continuity and coherence” even though others (directors, writers, cast, crew) constantly changed around him. As Tony became more sinister and depraved, Gandolfini (although he personally disliked Tony and hated the violence required of him) entered fully and consistently into his character.
Virginia Heffernan, the writer, “worries” about Jon Hamm. She found Hamm’s portrayal of Don Draper more believable in the First Season than so far in the Second. “Perhaps Hamm, like many Hollywood stars, wants to be liked above all, and Draper is written as less likable in nearly every episode. If the show is to mature and last, Hamm will have to risk being hated.”
If you are interested in reading the complete article, click on the link and scroll down to The Medium, “Character Issues.”
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/arts/television/index.html
So, I think I've missed something important. Why does Joan hate Paul so much? Did something happen between then during the Kennedy election episode in season 1?
I'm worried about Paul. I was just watching the commentary from season 1's dvd and it was mentioned that they were going to kill off one of the boys but decided that viewers liked them too much. Paul and Sheila keep talking about someone getting shot. Paul's an ass but I don't want him to die.
Poor Freddy, I miss him already.
I agree totally Visan! Betty is so Stepford, like you could wind her up.
The line Don uses for the next ep to Pete is "do you want me to make this a vacation for you, because I can". I think Pete will make Don very mad at this convention and might pay a price for it.
Joan and Don tossing daggers at Roger - loved that. In the previews, Roger asks Jane to marry him - I think she'll leave him after that. She herself said she was young and wanted to have lots of adventures.
Visan, I agree. the office scenes make the show. That said, I am jazzed about the idea of 'location' scenes both at a Civil Rights march and in LA, not to mention another flashback like in Hobo Code.
Visan: Sheila is a doll, but the poor girl is dating a world-class heel! Lose the zero, sister!
I had to look at my cd. It seems it's a 'cover' of Telstar by
Los Straightjackets or maybe it's Laika and the Cosmonauts.
Funny, that Russians and Hispanics have co-opted surf guitars.
The song WAS "Telstar", it was in the closed captioning.
@Sharon: I watch Mad Men because EVERY ONE is an asshole! NONE are saints, despite the insistence of the Betty fans/stans! I hate shows where characters are one-dimensional! And one cannot accuse Mad Men of painting their characters that way....
So, I think I've missed something important. Why does Joan hate Paul so much? Did something happen between then during the Kennedy election episode in season 1?
I'm worried about Paul. I was just watching the commentary from season 1's dvd and it was mentioned that they were going to kill off one of the boys but decided that viewers liked them too much. Paul and Sheila keep talking about someone getting shot. Paul's an ass but I don't want him to die.
Poor Freddy, I miss him already.
Mad Men series creator Matt Weiner and the cast discuss how, in Episode 210: "The Inheritance", Betty is forced to grow up, while Pete and Don do their best to avoid adult responsibilities.
A comment for "Remembering:"
I think, no, I know - Hamm is doing a wonderful job portraying Don Draper. Both last season and this one. His character has many layers yet to even be discovered and he'll pull that off brilliantly.
I love how Joan decides to deliver the message to Paul losing his LS boondoggle in the middle of the baby shower with a "don't shoot the messenger" attitude...and then asks if there is any cake left.
Don't your recall the past episode where the 'team'
was pitching the disposable diaper for their client?
As I recall the water activated granules used in 'pampers' were
an offshoot of the r&d being done for the space program (?)
Does anyone else here remember that, or am I confused? TIA
I too miss Freddy. :(
Madchen - You're right about Joan. Don told her to send Paul a memo, but she took it upon herself to announce it in front of everybody at the shower. She probably did it because of the look Paul gave her when he walked Sheila out for lunch.
Guess old feelings die hard.
Yes, they pitched Pampers a few shows ago.
This is from next week: On a business trip to Los Angeles, Don becomes acquainted with some exciting new friends. Peggy looks for romance at work. Duck starts thinking about the future of Sterling Cooper.
Paul's entire relationship with Sheila is all just being "stylish". Like when he threw the house party...wearing the ascot with smoking jacket & holding a pipe...He wants everyone to see how liberal & "with it" he is. When he was ousted out of the LA trip...it's suddenly his idea to go on the bus trip.
As a side note "advertising knows no color" NOT TRUE! It definitely knows the color GREEN. Because that is their first objective(why else grab a Jewish guy from the mailroom for the Menken account? And R&C hire a Black guy for their agency?)