.....Hi Jolie10....you forgot Hildy, openly showing her disgust along with Peggy, at Silver Foot's "ass-hatness," as Very Visan would say....

Hildy is a little bit mousey, so it was both great and funny to see her shoot him a withering look and flounce out. Didn't she slam the door, too?

What was it Hildy said, "You told on Freddie"? I can't remember the exact quote, but it plainly showed that the majority, if not all, the secretarial staff is going to be firmly on Freddie's side, and Pete will be viewed as the villain. They won't even be mad at Don or Roger for getting rid of him - the blame will remain all on Pete's shoulders.

Dry Manhattan:
I'd have to watch the scene again but I don't think Hildy closed the door when she left. But then she hasn't had respect for Pete since the very beginning of the series.

If Joan moved her over onto Don's desk, both Hildy and Don would be much happier. All it would take is Pete saying something to Joan. But then, he's probably intimidated by a look from Joan.

Whoa! What if Hildy got reassigned to Don and Jane to Pete? Pete and Jane together? Might not be good if the two started talking about what each knew about Don.

I'm glad you started this thread 'cause I was pondering starting it myself.

Way for Peggy to be a badass! Whatever she may have done, she does have a very strong moral sense as far as work goes, which is one of the big things that ties her to Don.

And Betty, has her world ever seemed more superficial than this episode when her friend comes over, see's everything amis and doesn't seem to notice as she prattles on about the young stallion. Ug, these people are so wrapped up with themselves, it's no wonder Betty was able to ignore Don's cheating so long.
I also loved how she would not give Don an answer when he told her he'd do whatever she wanted. Leaving him in limbo is really the best punishment.

I wasn't real sure about Joan when this show started but I like her now. She's trapped herself into the role of a sex object and is finally discovering that it has serious limitations. She wants more than everything she ever thought she wanted. Roger is such a massive moron.

And Mona. Poor woman, she's been in Betty's situation a dozen times and decided to suck it up, only to have her moron husband leave her for some secretary?

....Ritt, by the way, you always have good posts - meant to tell you that..... I don't have the steel-trap memory that some on here have (greytone, zerelda), so I have to go back and work a little harder to get the details....

They should have put Hildy on Draper's desk to start with. Draper is a partner now. Any other company would have put a more experienced, seasoned assistant on that desk. Doesn't Draper interview the candidate, and have a say in it? Sorry, I know men find Jane hot, but I can't stand her. She is a complete snake in the grass, and complete poison in a workplace.

But Pete and Jane together? I would say it was priceless - throw them together and they can stab each other in the back until the cows come home..... except that now they are both armed against Draper's best interests. It won't be long before the two snakes find each other and start hatching an evil plan.

You really identified a big accident waiting to happen there. I've always theorized that Pete was just laying in wait for his moment to pounce on Draper, and kill (so to speak) him dead dead dead.

Wait until Jane opens her big mouth in the break room and Pete overhears. He'll be quick to see that advantage, and being the scuzzy opportunist he is, will try to figure out a way to use it, or gang up on Draper.

With a guy like Pete, who is congenitally insecure, the flip-side of hero-worshiping Draper is the wanting to see him crumble and fall, just so he can feel better about his miserable, worthless self.

I'm going to take your thought one step further, and throw in Roger Sterling. He's sleeping with Jane, who will be in cahoots with Pete. Now that Draper and Sterling appear to be at some serious odds, it is a potentially deadly combination for Draper's family life, his professional life, and his identity and credibility as a man.

Draper has gone from being Teflon Man to being Humpty Dumpty, surrounded by several people with blunt instruments. "All the King's horses and all the King's men....."

NOW might be a good time for Draper to run away with Rachel!

I have a feeling that the days of the women taking it silently on the chin are over. All of these women are going to triumph in the end through sheer survival because they've had more experience in adversity, being second class citizens, having no "voice" in the direction of their lives. All of it has been attached to the men's destinies, and some of them, whether by accident or intentional choice, are going to have the opportunity to take the reins of their lives in hand, and choose their own destination.

Whether the destination of choice is good or bad, will be up to them.

Don't forget Sarah Beth's doctor who has finally diagnosed her as "Bored". He's getting it, but is she? Sarah Beth may be the next skirt to roar.

.....jamm54, re: 2:07 PM......God, I hope so.

Otherwise, I'll just hurl myself off the nearest bridge now and get it over with.

The tough part of being in charge of your own destiny is having to take responsibility for the success or failure of it. Or your own fulfillment from it. Can't hide behind blame or victim status anymore.

....really - "calling Betty! calling Joan!"

Dry: Just as my finger hit the SUBMIT button, I remembered Hildy. I'm pretty sure she closed the door a little hard...otherwise it was Peggy who closed it (definitely closed with force). What was Pete doing when Peggy entered? Daydreaming on the couch? Sheesh. I'll have to rewatch.

Jolie10: Pete was probably dreaming of his "advancement" now that he'd gotten Freddie Rumsen canned, the dirty dawg! Hey it's tough work being a snake, and they do nap during the daytime heat.

.....Jolie10..... i just remember she was incredibly overt about it, and i applauded her so much for that. I didn't think she had it in her, exactly. I mean, Pete was her BOSS. he could have fired her. the Freddy loyalty was a lovely fairy tale....

and jamm - priceless snake nap analogy. he looked like a snake on his office couch.

...a snake with legs.....

Watched the scene again last night.

Hildy was definitely upset that Pete snitched on Freddie. And closed the door behind herself, leaving no doubt about her opinion.

Pete can't fire Hildy. He can only tell Joan he wants a different secretary.

Pete, an account executive, doesn't have anyplace to advance except to Duck's job. Getting Freddie fired didn't help his promotion chances because Don won't forget. If Duck falls off the wagon, expect to see a knife in his back with Pete's name on it.

Ritt, oh yeah, we can count on it!

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