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Inside Mad Men - "The Mountain King"

Mad Men series creator Matt Weiner and the cast discuss how, in Episode 212: "The Mountain King", each character's trajectory becomes clearer. Peggy's office experience is emboldening, while Joan's is humiliating. Don tries to find out who he really is inside.

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This comment is for Mad Men. I really love the show. I am curious about future story lines. I am wondering if the writers have explored the possibility of homosexuality with any of the characters. When I was in art school in the early 70's, one of my teachers, who was gay, talked about when he worked at an Ad Agency on Madison Avenue in the 60's. I can only imagine how uncomfortable it would have been to be gay in that environment let alone, in the early 60's.


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Great show.
1) Wow! Don's secrets have secrets. Not only is he living after he died he has been divorced before getting married.

2) Cute that they had a scene with "The Day The Earth Stood Still" on the TV given that he will star in that movie soon.

3) Jeez, I hope no one got killed with that flying chicken complete with plate. I guess chickens can fly. And wow what an a-hole Pete is but I guess his wife did get ahead of herself a bit (still no excuse).

4) So, Don stands to make 1/2 million off his 1/8 share which ==> the whole company can be bought for 4 million. Hard to imagine...what money was worth then.

5) Why Betty would do and say to her friend what she did is just bizarre. Very mean. Is that passive aggressive, stupid, acting out her anger about her own marriage or what?

6) Joan's rape scene. Jesus. Obviously the ultimate contrast with Peggy's trajectory (as the commentary says but that wasn't exactly subtle). Her co-workers couldn't even contain their jealousy.

7) And where is Don going. This renewal. This show isn't called "Don's excellent adventure" so I guess Sterling Cooper (in some form) isn't going away and that's where Don will be but in what form and how does this aid his renewal. With the sale Don could quit (or is the 10 year payout contingent upon the future success of the firm...even if Don leaves) Obviously, Don's not going to live in fear of Duck and clients will go with Don so.

Still Don's problems aren't about his job. In fact that's what he cares about the least I would say.

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I just have to say, I am absolutely captivated by this show. I can't sleep on Sunday nights just thinking about it.

Did anyone else get the reference to Mary/Jesus in the popsicle campaign when the popsicle guy thought the mother looked familiar? That is what I love about this show! It so subtle.

Do you think Joan will really marry her doctor? I think she'll have a change of heart or maybe her and Kinsey will get back together. I'd rather see her with Roger but he's too wrap in Jane.


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The Jet Set episode was surreal. The fact Don just up and disappears from a conference to go bang a nubile possible college student/teen whore was bad enough.

I thought he would head back home when he saw the two children of one of the nomads in the house.

But nooooooo! He then traipses off to the home of his first wife, who busted him with her deceased husband's name-and then married him and gave him a divorce. so he could then marry Lil Miss Betty.

Betty? Jeez, her family is a mess! And she's starting to show her horns. The teaser (jumping his bones) she gave to Don at the parent's house was classic. But Don pretty much smashed those rose colored glasses she was wearing with all his outside affairs.

And my poor baby Joan. She leaves one lout and gets another. He was suspicious of Sterling, and wanted to show he could have her at the office too. Man, the crap women had to put up with back then.

The season finale should be fabulous. I always watch the show three times in order to take everything in. Visually it's a knockout.

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Joan and Don are the same type person: They arn't living honestly, they both started as likable, then became unlikable, and now they are both kind of pitiful. I think the "baptism" at the beach suggest Don is really waking up to reality though, where as Joan is heading down the road Don just finished traveling on.

I thought the woman in Peggy's ad was suppose to be her because they had the same hair style- but what do I know? I have to watch each episode 3 times to catch everything.

Hells bells, Trudy! From the commercial I predicted Pete would bring home a dog to quiet trudy, but instead he threw a turkey out the window. Oh well, my prediction that Maxwell Sheffield would make cameo was right at least.


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Am I the only one that understands Don's needing a divorce? Or am I wrong?
Since Dick assumed Don, and he wanted to marry, he had to fake divorce Anna. Dick was Never married to Anna. Don was on the papers in the US as a married person. If 'Don" didn't get divorced, he couldn't marry Betty as Don.

That pic of Joan (above) breaks my heart. I am surprised this doc isn't impotent. He should be the way he acts. She better get some offer from SC for the TV division.

I am of the Jewish faith, so I really miss the Christian imagery.
Is Matt Jewish? Did he have a bi-religious up bringing?
I am learning a lot about Christianity.

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Does anybody know the name of the song or singer at the closing of "The Mountain King"? It sounds like Hank Williams, but I know it's not.

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It looks like I answered my own question. It's George Jones singing "Cup of Loneliness."
I looked in the category box and clicked on music.

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Since this show aired, I reallly look forward to Sunday night TV again. Am getting tired of animated TV dads and kids. I so identify with Donald Draper in so many ways.

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Does your heart not break for Joan? Too bad a letter opener was not laying nearby so she could have slit the b------- throat. I hope she does not marry the pig, but I have a bad feeling she will since she snagged a "doctor" which is the ultimate "catch".

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I have another comment: Don. Love him or hate him, I am appalled that he is leaving his children behind. His own childhood was so disturbing that he took on another person's identity, yet he has run away not only from Betty, but his children for whom he seemed to have genuine love. Yet, I guess his damaged soul cannot honor even the love of his own children presumably because he did not receive love from his own father.

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The Show is just great! I look forward to it every Sunday and I leave the football game at 2100 sharp. I am 66 years old so most of the historical moment send me on a flashback to my so call youth. I am also black which give me a different perspectivef of some of these events. I haven't look forward to any tv show in an often long time. I will probably review all the old shows until the new season start. Am I losing my Cool?

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To WGH123,
Don't sweat it, as they used to say back then.
You're just cool as you always were.
What has happened is that very few people of a younger age even get what's really going on in this program.
Remember "black is beautiful" and also how the word "negro"
just went away? Things were so weird in those days. I was working in publishing then and the managers thought well, women (girls) just don't need the same kind of money that men do. Ha, as though Con Edison and the phone company gave me a discount because I was a "girl."
In 1962 birth control was not legal! Is that a revelation to
younger people? Remember those hideous news reports
of what was going on in the south? And in Boston?
i was in Miami airport in 1969 !!!! and they still had white-washed
the "whites only" signs over the public bathrooms in the
airport. I couldn't believe my eyes. I grew up in NYC and I thought they were still intimidating black people. If I were a
black woman, I would have hesitated to use the bathroom
because of that cheap paint. Well, it's not like that anymore.
And I hope so much that on Tuesday, Nov. 4, Obama
will be the president of the US. A great leap forward.
Back to the program:
I also just love this program. It touches on so many things that you and I experienced first hand. It was not cool, not happy, not fair. But, we did surmount it all. And that's what is the real progress.
Dear WGH123, don't ever give up, don't ever put yourself
down. We all invented "cool."
XO to you.

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I've read somewhere on this site that Joan's fiance is a sexist. That seems about right but I read the rape as a reaction to her display of sexual experience when he was tired and she tried to play the aggressor. I thought that it revealed his disapproval of her obvious affairs with men at work. I doesn't bode well for them, an understatement.

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