Mad Men

Q&A - Mental Health Consultant Hilary Jacobs Hendel

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As a Licensed Clinical Social Worker specializing in trauma, Hilary Jacobs Hendel knows all about people's inner demons. That's why Matthew Weiner tapped her to offer psychological consulting for Mad Men. 

Q: What was Matthew Weiner looking for from you as a consultant?

A: Mostly in the first season, he needed advice on the credibility of the scenes with the psychiatrist. He wants everything to be authentic, so we would talk about the characters to make sure that it made sense why Betty was having a certain symptoms, like with her hands feeling numb. I would walk through what a possible history might be for her. And then he would also just want the dialogue to be accurate -- he'd send me the script to check what the psychiatrist was saying and how he was reacting.

Q: What's going on with Betty's psychiatrist? He never talks.

A: Well that's how it was back in 1960. Freudian analysis was pretty much the only thing there was. Back then an analyst would say very little with the idea of being a blank slate, as neutral as possible so that anything that emerged in the treatment, anything that the patient brought in, was really from themselves.

Q: How do you treat a patient you don't speak to?

A: What was supposed to be curative was that the analyst would continue to listen and then periodically make an interpretation -- at one point in the show he says something like, "You're angry." That's not a complicated interpretation, but that's listening to her and interpreting her emotional state, which is helpful to some people who don't know they're angry. The interpretation reflects back behavior that ideally would let her reflect on it: I'm angry. Why am I angry? Although I have to say the psychiatrist in Mad Men has got serious personality flaws.

Q: Aside from his breaching confidentially, how would you rate Dr. Wayne?

A: It's pretty black and white that he shouldn't have done that, but it's such a gray area because she seems to be benefiting. She seems to enjoy coming, she speaks. That's really the way it is in current times -- just the act of speaking and talking and having someone listen is helpful.

Q: How would you diagnose Betty?

Q: Well, Matt came to me with her hands being numb, and we talked about an appropriate interpretation of that symptom. It might be interpreted that she has a lot of unconscious anger with violent impulses. And that by numbing the hands it's a way to prevent an unconscious fear that she would hurt somebody because she's enraged. We speculated she had issues with her mom and she has issues with Don. And often fear and anger go hand in hand -- fear of anger especially for women who are not supposed to be angry. When she interacts with Helen Bishop, there is a little bit of jealousy and anxiety of how this woman is surviving, how it is to be a single mother. Then we fast-forward to the end of the season and she has fear about confronting Don, and the risk of what might happen in a confrontation about his affairs.

Q: What psychological themes do you see running through the show as a whole?

A: Well one thing is substance abuse -- they're all self-medicating their troubles. There's this idea of leading lives of quiet desperation. That's what I think about when I think of Betty, of Don, of Roger Sterling. The character that seems most healthy is Joan. She seems just in touch with who she is. She may sometimes harbor feelings like jealousy, or get sad every now and then because she's single and doesn't have a family, but those are all human emotions. The rest, really mostly the men, are really struggling with who they are. Freud used to say that the two signs of mental health were that you could work and you could love. So they can work, but have more problems in the loving department and compensate with a lot of drinking and substance abuse. I find it fascinating, thinking of the history of these people, thinking about what makes them tick and connecting it to their history. Then they become a whole person, a whole character that makes sense.

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All so interesting. Even the opening credits for the series--Don is "sleepwalking" and as he enters his office, the walls come tumblin' down and he is free floating, but surrounded by a corridor of advertise-ments for modern life which he and crew at SC have actualized--a metaphor for the deceit that Don is holding back in his own life both at work and home.

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I was wondering what you would think about Betty's interaction with Glenn last season?
Not only giving him a lock of her hair but the strange conversation they had when she saw him outside the bank? Betty has rage for Don, not much interest in her own son but finds time to hold hands with Glenn....interesting!

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I think, although it is no doubt disturbing and creepy to most of us because he is a child and she is an adult, these two, for whatever reason, seem to find some sense of comfort in each other.

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Nice to see you on the boards Hilary -- welcome!

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Hilary, do you think maybe the reason Betty and Glenn are comforted by one another is because she is a childlike adult and he is an "old for his years" child? Like, maybe they fill in each others gaps because the adults in both their lives are out of touch with their needs?

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I think that is a very plausible explanation. Good analysis! Are you in the field?

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Hilary...
Can you provide us your insight on the type of mental disorders that would cause Peggy to lose custody of her child (temporarily or otherwise)? I realize the state and federal laws were different in the '60s, but should we conclude the medical field was responding to a simple case of postpartum blues?

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I can only answer this question theoretically as we don't yet know what happened to Peggy's baby. A mother could lose custody of her child if the authorities believed the child was in danger i.e. neglected or abused to the point of causing illness or death. So, to answer your question, it is not so much what mental disorders would cause a mother to lose custody of her infant but whether the baby was thought to be in danger.

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