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DATE: 10/18/2007 10:55:03 PM

How could Peggy have a baby without any knowledge nor it being obvious to anyone? I liked her character early in the show but am annoyed with her now. Felt sorry for Don though, sitting alone after his fantasy was shattered.

Patricia and all those who kept holding on to the Peggy;s pregnant thing, and we all kept saying "no, no, no. she's just fat". WOW, were we ever wrong. Can you belive this? WTF???

Can't belive I'm the first to post -- come one everyone. I'm blown away here.

First up!

That was a shockeroo.

I'll bet that her periods were always irregular so she thought nothing of it...either that, or she missed her periods the last 9 months and she was heavily into denial.

That was completely outragous! How could Peggy not have known she was carrying a child?

about that?! Bob Dylan's "dont think twice, its alright" and the end of the show!! totally awesome. i hate the majority of tv shows and this one has been yet the only ive seen in the seasons entirety. what a great finale. good stuff, good art.

How the hell could a show this damn good jump the shark in a few minutes? Peggy pregnant, with the troll's brat!? Hell to the no!!!!

I know a few women that barely showed during their pregnancies.

I sure never expected Peggy to pop out a kid.

What a horribly disappointing final episode. I have been hooked on this show since the beginning. I felt it was the very best TV I have ever seen in 50+ years.

But this ending? Left me completely cold.

And what about Peggy? A woman over 20 years old carrying a baby to full term and having no inkling she was pregnant?

Hmmm.

How could Peggy not know that she was with child? Ok, I know you see that kind of thing today with overweight women, and she was considered overweight for the 1960s but how could ya not know? Can't wait for Summer 2008. Great season guys! Love your faithful fan!

Leaving it off with a cliffhanger? I see that working on The Sopranos really helped out the show. Every episode was great & the last episode left it with a question mark. If someone ask me what do I think of Mad Men, I would say it's sexy, but in a different way. This show is a home run. It's been a fun 14 weeks & I can't wait for the return in summer 2008. I will miss the show. Congratulations to everyone who worked on the show. You guys did an excellent job!!! 8-)

I have no words.

I think that is what they call denial. I think the whole point of the her getting the birth control in the first show set her up to believed that "it was not possible", as she kept saying.

There are women that can go through a pregnancy with almost no symptoms...it could happen, though it is a bit of a stretch.

I was surprised and disappointed in this episode; not nearly as good as the other 12. I just felt like it was slow coming around to the contained events.

SHUT UP! I never saw that baby coming! I thought all that baby talk all this time was just not plausible. What a way to celebrate a promotion!

Who knows?

Maybe she thought nothing of missed periods -- she could have passed it off to rough days on the job or pretty much anything else.

I agree with Thomas on ending the show with Dylan--amazingly appropriate and haunting. I'm shocked by Peggy--how could she not notice and not know?? But Don!! I'm glad he seems to be seeing the light at last in regards to his family slipping away from him--how great that he put his own photos for the Kodak meeting!!--but I fear it's too late. Good to see him sad about his brother, we finally see his vulnerable side. I hope for the best for him and Betty--why didn't he just drive up anyway? I don't know if I can wait til next summer! Amazing show and the best thing on TV amidst all this reality garbage, that's for sure!

This show has lost all credibility. In one episode it has gone from respectable to total Soap Opera. Are we supposed to believe that woman of th 60's were too niave to know when they were pregnant? Major WTF. Peggy is with it enough to become a copy writer in NYC - yet a dumb as a post when it comes to her own body.

I feel bamboozled! I can deal with all these angsty characters and adultery! But Peggy poppin' out a child and Betty looking to a child for comfort. WTF?

This is the best show!!! Just love it!

Can't wait for next season.

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What are you talking about, I have seen people who by taking the pill swore they weren't pregnant since they still got their periods. Oh my God, I can't wait for the next season...

I guess the writers were out of ideas, 'cause that "pregnancy" thing is just amateur hour.

p.s. I still can't believe that I have my dad's carousel collecting dust in the garage.

Yeah, that was a bit bizarre: the kid has issues and you cried on his shoulder? come ON!

ENOUGH with the WTF comments, ok people!

My question is how come January Jones was

not at the Direct TV wrap up party? She's a main player in the show. what gives?

Remember, Peggy went on the pill the night of or the day after she had sex with Pete the first time (got the prescription the same day, anyway.) The pill was brand new, and not many women understood what it would do to their body. It's understandable that she might think that her lack of periods (and weight gain, for that matter) had at least something to do with the pill.

That is what makes it so thrilling. Makes you want more...

thank you, thank you, thank you.

I knew Peggy was pregnant 3 weeks ago. If a woman is in denial and has a lot going on in her life, this has been known to happen. This is not only in the l960's but happens today. Back then Peggy didn't have a choice. To keep the baby and be a working women was unheard of. Today no one even would bat an eyelash at that concept. The scene with John slattery in the hospital telling Mona how much he loved her and needed her was perfect. Men in that era did not have their heart connected to their penis. They separated everything below their waistban from their brain and heart. Believe me I was a young woman back then and as a female you thought that this was the way it was supposed to be. Thank God people changed and men found out that they could be "female like" and they still didn't loose their manhood. Can't wait till next summer. Great job.

WTF?!!! Whose kid is it? According to the math, there's no way that it could be Pete Campbell's kid; they only hooked up fairly recently. And what about all the drinking she did in the previous episodes. Did that have any effect on the baby? I can see how an event like this could generate buzz, but I think that this time the writers were really kind of reaching to fill the plot this time. was that the season finale?

Oh, yeah: the Pill was still new and probably nobody knew what type of contraindications there were -- antibiotics can render oral BCPs ineffective.

Or maybe she forgot that she forgot to take a pill.

Can someone please explain to me what that scene at the end with Pete and Trudy and her parents was about? I didn't quite understand what was going on.

By the way...Did you guys listen to what Betty was saying at the therapist? She knows... And talking to a child is not too far off if you have EVER been depressed to her extend...Let me tell you my mother got cheated on (a "few" times) and she stayed depressed for TEN years. We took care of her during the years when we were supposed to be children. This all rings so true to me, damn! I think this show is the freaking BEST!

I'm just thinking that the baby must have moved at some time before that, how did she not feel that?

There are many women that have a baby and they didn't even know they were pregnant. Some continue to have their periods and the kicking feels like gas etc. I said she was probably pregnant. What on earth is she going to do now? Pete won't leave his wife. How will she work and have a child? In the 60s was this possible? As for the rest of the show I was in awe.

BRAVO!!! What a finale!

What a fantastic show. I love the whole series. I do not watch a lot of tv at all, but this is worth watching. I love the entire cast.

I was not sure what the scene with Pete and his in-laws wasa about either. Help.

On second thought, I think Peggy knew she was pregnant on some level, but was in denial. Remember the last couple party scenes? She didn't drink and went home early. I don't remember her ever outwardly acknowledging she was gaining weight. Remember when Don brought her into the meeting for the invigorator/relaxasizer? He talked about it being a device for weight loss and wanted her to try it out. Most women would have been offended, but she had no reaction and didn't even change her expression--I thought that was odd. I think she knew but was in denial. I just didn't realize that all these episodes were supposed to be over 9 months. Can't wait til next year!!

Where, oh where to begin?!?!

Peggy's baby..denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Still, disappointing that the writers went for that. Bet she gives it up for adoption.

Betty's shock at realizing her husband was talking to her shrink. She was using the DR to tell her husband that she actually KNEW about his infidelities. (Looks like Francine knew, too.) Or, was she just trying to manipulate Don into going away for Thanksgiving?

Loved creepy little Glen..."I wish I was older." Heh. Maybe he just has a thing for older women!

Can't believe that PEte used his Father-in-laws request (demand) for a grandchild to further his career. Oh wait, It's Pete. Too bad he didn't know he was already a father!

OY! OY! OY!

So, no abortion, but adoption?

And not only did the baby not move, Peg also didn't seem to have any other pregnancy related "symtoms": constant urination, constipation, morning sickness, to name a few.

Peggy's situation is rare, but possible. You still see stories like this in the news occasionally. Denial can go a long way.

I felt so bad when Don being with his family turned out to be a fantasy.

dolores obrien,

Women back then did drink when they were pregnant b/c they didn't know. Each show is over a period of time. So you can't really add it up. Usually one season is a year.

Peggy is going to need that promotion now that she popped out a Mini-Pete. I wonder if she'll keep him/her.

Congratulations to those folks who predicted a baby and not a thyroid problem but Peggy not knowing she had child for nine months or so just doesn't sit well.

"Peggy you peed yourself"

Peggy "Wha?"

-----Peggy drops lighter------

BOOOM!

Well, I loved it.

Peggy was in serious denial of her pregnancy. She's pretty out of touch with herself, so this fit. I knew a girl in my freshman year of college — she was a good Catholic girl — who had a baby over Christmas vacation. None of us knew she was pregnant. She fooled us all. We found out when she didn't come back to school.

As for Peggy, I think she knew that she was pregnant, deep down inside, but could never face it. I admit it... I screamed when they brought her the baby. I thought of all these bloggers saying "shut up... she's not pregnant already.

I knew that Betty would have an awakening. I loved the whole episode. Can't wait until June.

AWESOME!!! I got my husband hooked. Can't wait till he comes home so I can watch the season finale again with him. Bet Peggy gives up the baby for adoption. Wonder where they are going to pick up the show timeline wise in the summer (right where they left off, or summer 08). Do you think Don is done with his philandering ways? Peter just needs to become a man and stop riding on everyone with moneys coat tails.

I'm so excited by the prospect of another season. Betty's got Don over an existential barrel that's going to make his little secret seem tame.

Yes, friends, there are plenty of women who carry to term without ever knowing they're pregnant. Peggy was sure getting big fast, wasn't she? It looks like she's going to give the baby away so she can go beat the men at their own game. Everyone, even pure little Betty goes for the power once they have a taste! Just another rider on the Nihilism Express.

Man, what a show! Matthew Weiner, you're a genius!

Point of Purchase,

HA!

I know of someone in the 1930s (single) who was playing cards with her "old world" parents; said "Excuse me", went to the bathroom, amd had a baby! She simply went into denial, put it out of her mind, and thought the birth would never happen. The show's plot twist was a stretch, to be sure (and certainly knocked me sideways) but I also had to laugh at the amount of bloggers who said she was definitely not pregnant!

The scenes of Don demonstrating the Carousel were very, very touching. I'll be back later when I have had a chance to review the second showing!

Okay, so Peggy may have been in denial. But women's bellies grow a certain way when a baby is inside. I didn't see that on Peggy. And the baby was normal sized. Where was she hiding it? In her butt? I think the writers blew this one.

Don's presentation to Kodak was phenomenal. It almost had me in tears.

So, does Harry's wife know about Hildy and him, or was she just pissed off for him not coming home on election night? He probably told her...

SO sad that just as soon as Don get s grip, Betty and the kids aren't there to benefit.

At least he found out that Adam killed himself. Guess he really feels like the shit he is.

Well, it sure will be interesting to see just how Don, who finally realizes Betty and the kids are what are most important to him, will deal with his next conversation with Betty's doctor. Do you think Betty really knows about Don or is she testing him?

Today young women who are not much younger that the Peggy character frequently go thru entire preg. without "showing" or being able to hide their additional belly and weight with baggy clothes and I am sure that "the pill" at that time could have you continue to have a period and still be pregnant....So the question is not really whether or not this situation could happen...but rather, is it could writing/drama? and will she keep the baby or decide to give it up for adoption..my money is on either giving the baby up for adoption formally or cold and heartless as it might be...abandonment. Who knows, maybe next season Pete and Trudy will discover they can't have children and inadvertly adopt Peggy's baby....too much like Peyton Place for you?

The review of the finale show in USA Today talked about the episode really dropping the ball with a leap of faith and the Peggy pregnancy was that and more. Not a good idea and not in sync with the whole season's brilliance.

Yes, jumped the shark.

However the Kodak pitch (and I'm an agency pitch guy) was nothing short of brilliant.

Oh no! How will I get along till summer 2008 without Mad Men. This is the best series on TV in years. LOVE IT. Please hurry back Don!

I thought it was a great shocker that Peggy had a baby! I think we all knew all along that she was pregnant and not just getting fat. Did you hear the doctor ask the nurse to call the psychiatrist before they took Peggy upstairs? Even the doctor knew something was wrong with her reactions for him to call in a psychiatrist. She was obviously heavy into denial and focusing on becoming a woman exec. She's even denying the baby now that it's born. This isn't what she wants. I thought the whole sales pitch with the carousel was riveting!

And oh wow, that presentation.

Kudos to that writer.

Maybe I'm missing something that the writers intended but this last episode is so implausible. It asks to viewer to leap too far in a series that has been aching for authenticity.

No, there is no way a woman doesn't feel a child moving within. Ridiculous -- and so disappointing. She had success but then had to be punished for it? It wasn't that bad being a woman in the 60s.

Betty reaching out to the boy? She's not and hasn't been that desperate throughout. Simply ridiculous and what's the point anyway.

The phone bill -- what did Betty find out except that Don was calling the shrink? Does she really know about the affairs? He never called his women from home.

The alternate endings were good though. And the Kodak presentation was brilliant.

Yes, there are plenty of unanswered questions at the end to qualify as cliffhangers -- but for the most part, this episode was completely out of character with the rest of the series.

How could they be so off the mark for an otherwise great series? By contrast, the Sopranos ending was simply perfect.

I thought the baby was way over the top - it would have been a better plot line (and almost as shocking) if she'd been a four or five months pregnant - then she'd have had to struggle with what to do and how to conceal it.

The scene with Don presenting the new "Carousel" ad campaign was absolutely beautiful, and more than made up for the wacky Peggy story line.

Best scenes in this episode were: Don's "carosuel" presentation and the production booth scene with Peggy and Ken...Also Betty's scene with the shrink...

I thought the baby was way over the top - it would have been a better plot line (and almost as shocking) if she'd been a four or five months pregnant - then she'd have had to struggle with what to do and how to conceal it.

The scene with Don presenting the new "Carousel" ad campaign was absolutely beautiful, and more than made up for the wacky Peggy story line.

I thought the baby was way over the top - it would have been a better plot line (and almost as shocking) if she'd been a four or five months pregnant - then she'd have had to struggle with what to do and how to conceal it.

The scene with Don presenting the new "Carousel" ad campaign was absolutely beautiful, and more than made up for the wacky Peggy story line.

I fully expected that Peggy was pregnant but definitely did NOT expect the baby to appear so suddenly...I was surprised that this was supposed to be over 9 months too.

I thought the baby was way over the top - it would have been a better plot line (and almost as shocking) if she'd been a four or five months pregnant - then she'd have had to struggle with what to do and how to conceal it.

The scene with Don presenting the new "Carousel" ad campaign was absolutely beautiful, and more than made up for the wacky Peggy story line.

Yes!! I thought Betty planting info with her therapist was brilliant. She wants Don to know she knows but without her confronting him. She's hoping he'll straighten up and be the family man she wants him to be, she doesn't want to leave him. And yes!! the neighbor knowing what Don is up to and basically saying so to Betty while Betty pulls the "Why would I know what to do?" That was great! And I agree with "ME" with Betty talking to the little boy. Depression and loneliness will make people do strange things. Especially a lonely and let's admit it, desperate housewife. I've been there, and you will reach out to anyone who's there. I feel bad for Betty and Don both. They are both very lonely people who I think could help each other if they would just drop their acts.

Betty's encounter with the little boy

Glen was just creepy. she's very messed up.

This show is like a juicy novel. I was a teen during the 60's and I find the whole thing plausible.. the stealth pregnancy etc. Mad Men is the best thing since chocolate. I'm amazed that the writers, who all seem to be so young, have nailed the characters and the relationships of those times.

People, in general, were in denial in the 50's. i think it is totally believable that Peggy wouldn't know she was pregnant. She is totally naive when it comes to sex, and women knew NOTHING about their bodies in those days.

My Mom had major post partum psychosis after my older brother was born, then in 1950,when she became pregnant with me, she was told to have an abortion, because she had such a hard time the first time. After my younger brother was born, she flipped out again.

People knew NOTHING about depression, bi-polar disorder, post partum depression.....none of it. She spoke to many psychiatrists for year, who just sat and listened and did nothing for her. For all i know, they told my Dad everything that was wrong with her.

Of course Betty is depressed! Her husband is gone all the time, no one takes women seriously, Don sabotaged her return to some kind of career. Haven't any of you read "The Feminie mystiquye" by Betty Friedan? What do you think started the Feminist Movement in the late sixties. Women were in limbo in the 50's at best. They were literally going NUTS and n9o one took them seriously.

peggy totally destroyed annie's confidence. was that intentional? the scene with glenn (who my wife thinks looks like peter lorre jr) was creepy and out of place. is rachael menchen pregnant also?

I can't believe so many of you thought that Peggy wasn't pregnant. I knew she was and I think she did and so did Pete. I felt so sad at the end when Don showed the carosol with his family's pictures and then went home to an empty house. can't wait til the summer!!

Well, what can I say? Mr. Weiner has a WINNER. In the 60s I worked for a large insurance company and later for a real estate developer. The characters as portrayed by the fine actors are so true to life and remind me of the "old days" and people I knew.

I'm so impressed with the authentic details that are included in each episode, especially the reference to ATLAS SHRUGGED by Ayn Rand. An up and coming attorney introduced me to the book back then and it has had a lasting impact on my life.

I suspected that Peggy was pregnant but didn't think she was that far along. When she started cramping I thought she'd have a miscarriage. Looks like Pete's in-laws will have their Christmas wish.

This last episode had me laughing and crying. The last scene of the fantasy Thanksgiving trip and what really happened almost broke my heart. What an ending!!

Betty is manipulative bitch! She really is! And really looney, to reach out and beg for advice from a 9, 10 year old child?! Hell to the naw! Again!

If I NEVER see Henry, Harry or whatever his name is in his draws again, that'll be too soon!

Quite an interesting turn that Betty now knows Don's knowledge of her psychiatric visits, and is feeding the psychiatrist with info to get back to Don...sort of a "shooting the birds" moment. I've been riding Pete's lack of manhood pretty hard, but I actually felt sorry for him tonight. Great series...looking forward to next summer!

Yah, that Rachel thing.

All of a sudden she's incognito for the next few months.

Where was abortion legal in Europe in those days? Any historians know?

Peggy not only pregnant, but having the child... awesome! For those of you "non-believers" that this could happen, you must be awfully young and inexperienced. Happens all the time, and esp. considering the symptoms of the pill, and again esp. when the pill was first introduced and the strength was very high. Let that be a lesson to the teenagers that the only 100% birth control is abstinence! Yes, it is still possible to get pregnant while on the pill and lets not forget the time-line from the first episode, she and the weasel had sex before she had sex before she had been on the pill for a full month (which would have been the norm with the estrogen in the pill of the 60s).

Now the question is what will happen with the child? See Don's parents in Pete's life now? Neat twist!

I almost feel sorry for Pete (almost...). He can't score an account on his own, and he wants to be successful so badly yet he's not able to do it on his own. Even when he does get something tossed his way, he can't control it - and he's simply not smart enough to realize that the proper decision for the company is to involve Peggy. He's too greedy, which is why I can only almost feel sorry for him.

Peggy will probably give the kid up for adoption and, as she will work with Pete on the copy for Clearasil, Pete will find out he was a Dad... I just hope Don finds out. My guess is Peggy will look to Joan for help. Joan can keep a secret and secretaries know everything... I just wonder how Don will find out (and he will).

Now, did Harry confess his affair w/the secretary (can't remember her name)? Is that why his wife won't let him come home? Looks like all the affairs are coming out and the pain that an affair inflicts is being realized. The writers have done a GREAT job of making this true to the time! It was the beginning of the sexual revolution and women's lib. The "man's world" is beginning to crack!

I can not believe that I have to wait until next summer to enjoy new episodes! For those of you who feel let down, I don't know what you expected... This episode surprised me and set up expectations that have me on the hook desperate for the winter to hurry up and pass. I can't wait for next season!

Yeah, Harry's wife must have given him the keys to the road. He's living in his office.

"Can someone please explain to me what that scene at the end with Pete and Trudy and her parents was about? I didn't quite understand what was going on."

The only thing I got was that, like always, when Don gets the best of him, he turns to the drink. Don embarrassed him in front of his new boss, his co-workers. And the prick deserved it.

So he came home, drunk obviously, and his wife went to kiss him and noticed he smelled of alcohol, played it off in front of the folks that he was at a work party.

The FIL is being an ass about wanting a

grand child...

I love everything about this show. The writing is fantastic! I was not familiar with alot of the actors prior to the show, but each and everyone of them are a good fit for the part. I know the show will be around for a long time...Hurry up SPRING!!!!!! PLEEEEEEEEZE!!!!!!!!

Me and my friends just finsihed watching the shw and were confused about Peggy... there is the posibility that the season starts out on early spring and fisnished on thanks giving/ christmas, but we also have the thoery that she misscarried and the way that they help her cope with the loss is have her be near a baby like they do with post partum moms, well we are not sure because we aren't that familiar with medical practices in the 60's but it is the only thing that makes sense since she wasn't that big and when the Dr touched her tummy we didn't see much of a bump, does anyone know forsure if she did have the baby either way it is convinent that she already has it and gives it away or that she misscarried

Has anyone noticed the similarities between Don and Peggy? She is becoming a "Don Draper". This unwanted and apparently unknown pregnancy is just the first part of her new secret life. Adoption of course.

I'll take two Kodak Carousels please.

Don's wife and the creepy kid better not turn into a Mary Kay Laterno thing. sheeesh

Maybe Peggy wanted to destroy what she wanted to be (Annie)

And that scene with Peggy in her bed up in the maternity ward.

Not a friend in the world, nothing.:( A horrible way to spend the holiday.

Here is a great review of the epi!

http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/10/mad_men_the_time_machine.html

I felt that Peggy was pregnant. My guess is that she will give up the baby for adoption and focus on her career...representing a time when you could not have career and baby.

I really want to know where January Jones was at the wrap party...probably intentional to have folks wondering where she is...if she is coming back since she was not home when Don entered the house....she is WONDERFUL!!!....so is the entire cast..I can not wait for next season!!!!

Oh I forgot...

Whore child

Was that over the top?

Kinda feel this show was already written before the series was picked up for Season 2...seemed to clear up some issues, but still had some feel of "what's next?".

Agree with you Visan, couldn't stand to look at the TV when Harry sat in that chair in his "briefs". I think it was intended to make us a little sick. I'll bet there were more than few laughs on the set that day. Ugh...

Really missed seeing or hearing about Roger.

Otherwise it was a really good episode. Can't wait for season 2! :)

I would love if some one could explain the in -law scene at the end...was pete just nervous about telling his FIL about a woman working on his account?--And COME ON with peggy--when she gets back to work every one will say she must be using her weight loss contraption too much-- All that weight gone over night--that poor girl--I love the changes her character has made--so naive--i guess that was her end of innocence,hm?--I hate that I have to wait a year to see how this pans out--damned tv season ritual--can't we come up with a better way? I Want my season 2 now!

I guess it was possible, though rare, to be a single working mom back then. Betty's neighbor is one after all. Though not with a new baby. I can't wait to see what happens next.

Am I the only one who thinks that it was brilliant of Betty to have Don find out indirectly that she's on to him by telling her shrink? I'd love to see her play with his head.....

Thoughts??

2 things about Betty:

1. Women who are depressed and are desperate, will talk to ANYONE who they think will listen. She is NOT manipulative. Nuts? Maybe. Grasping at straws because she has no one to turn to? Definitely.

2. Does anyone else feel that the actress playing Betty is not very strong? I know Betty is supposed to seem like a flat character, but from the beginning, I have felt that the actress just isn't very good. She sounds a bit robotic when saying her lines.

I am really, really disappointed with the Peggy/pregnancy storyline. Someone above used the "jumped the shark" phrase, and that's exactly what it is. Peggy is supposed to be sharp...anyone who has ever been pregnant..much less carried a baby to term..knows there is NO WAY that you don't know what's happening. My God, I used to sit and watch my stomach roll as the baby moved around...I could even see the elbows and feet poking and kicking! That's why the doc called for someone in psychiatry when Peggy went into labor. He knew that there is something terribly, terribly wrong with this girl if she's in that kind of denial. Face it, people. Everyone has been picking on poor Betty for being nuts. Peggy is the real looney here. Wouldn't even look at her baby. Guess she'll put it up for adoption.

Wasn't it hilarious when Don called Harry into his office in his underwear...man, I roared! Just the kind of unexpected moments that this show is wonderful for. Couldn't ask for anything better.

Was it a girl or a boy?

I think zi-glitterati may be onto something. I don't see how Peggy could have been full term. In order to deliver in November, she would have to get pregnant in February. I don't remember what month the show was supposed to start in but I don't remember it being that cold. I actually hope zi-glitterati is correct because the show lost credibility for me. And, I think it is a better story line.

Francine seemed to know about Don - "I figured you would know what to do." Everyone apparently knew what kind of cheat he was, but didn't want to act like they knew. Betty suspected, but didn't really want to know for sure (kept the phone bill till later). Decided to test the waters with the therapist, knowing he would turn around and tell Don (HIPPA violation???) That way she wouldn't have to confront Don directly. She had already expressed her feelings on the subject of indiscretions at the kitchen table - guilt trip! Maybe she will stay on with her parents after Thanksgiving and never come home. Instead of Don leaving his wife and kids, she will be the deserter.

Peggy - I thought she was just going through a miscarriage, not a birth! When exactly did Pete get married - he and Peggy did the deed the night before he either got married or had his bachelor party. Maybe that was 8-9 months before Thanksgiving. Baby could have come early, though.

How did Harry's wife find out about him?

Incredible episode! Gave you a double ending - one of which was happy, one that was sad. With little Bobby Dylan and "Don't think twice, it's all right." Totally blew me away.

But PEOPLE! So many of you are obsessing about how could Peggy not know. Easy. Number one, she was eating like a horse. Figured she'd just put on weight. Number two, she was on the Pill and therefore it was "impossible". Finally they only did it twice, for God's sake! Guess she sorta forgot the girls who'd had to drop out of school after just doing it once.

Just don't know if she's going to be keeping it (whoa, just imagine those complications) or giving it up for adoption. I tend to favor the latter option. Big city hospital, they gotta know all the options.

As far as Pete's in-laws visiting - Daddy got the Clearasil account to Pete and he'd gotten that fat $100 bonus. So it's time to celebrate, right? Plus Trudy, being a dutiful daughter, probably told them that she and Petey were going to working on a grandkid.

Pete was wiped because all the thinking, the campaign, had been handed over to Peggy - the little secretary (okay, she's big as a house now) he'd bonked twice. Sure, he was the account exec and she was now a junior copywriter but Don had just cut Pete out of all the attaboys for a great campaign. Totally bummed him out.

The carousel presentation just blew me away, using Don's own slides to impress the Kodak people. Harry, who'd been kicked out of the his little love nest by his wife because he'd forgotten the first and second rule of a cheater - Deny, deny, deny and if she's got the goods on you, Lie, lie lie. Anyway he got so choked, he had to leave the room.

And Betty. My God! Now she's got a backdoor to Don's mind! She believes anything she says will go out of her mouth and indirectly into Don's ears. So anything that bothers her, she doesn't need to confront him. All she has to do is tell the shrink. Can you believe it?!!

And Don gets a double whammy. First, he finds out about Adam and then realizes by the Carousel presentation, how much his family means to him. So M. Weiner & Co., not knowing if the series would be picked up, gave a double ending.

Glen? Jeez, I don't know about that kid. Or Betty. If she loses it all in front of him. I mean, what's a kid supposed to believe in? The prettiest girl/woman he knows is asking him for comfort? Why did she go to that place for anyway?

Francine? Well, you could have seen that coming although the poisoning the entire Thanksgiving celebration was going a bit over the deep end. Call it post-partum depression.

Well, those are my first impressions. Will have more after I watch it again.

Bless you, DirecTV.

I was moved to tears twice during this episode. Once when Betty reached out to Glen. Yes, it's strange for an adult to seek out a child for emotional comfort...but to me, it just showed how deep Betty's pain really is. It was wrong for her to lay that on Glen, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for her.

The other time was when Don gave his "carousel" presentation. "Returning to a place where you know you're loved." But don't get me wrong..I'm not naive enough to believe he's cleaned up his act and ready to be a good boy. It was, however, a very poignant scene.

D Langerman

You nailed it. I was a teenager then also and remember if women complained they were told they didn't "accept their feminity", or in other words, accept it and shut up. I had an aunt, a very creative women, who went to a mental hospital every few years, and nobody talked about it. She was "just tired" or it was "her nerves". A lot of women were just put on tranqualizers to shut them up.

And when I see the row of secretaries at SC I still shudder. I had dozens of jobs like that and hated them all. People thought I was a flake but I just didn't fit the mold. Most women had 3 choices: secretary, nurse or teacher. Model or stewardess if you were hot. I ended up a chef. Think it's funny that Betty is named after Freidan. LOL

I love this show. It's the first show I've looked forward to since "Six Feet Under".

The season started in March 1960 and ended in late Nov. 1960. So 8 1/2 months. Peggy got pregnant in the first episode.

I suppose psychological denial and the pill's side effects could explain this, but little Pete Jr. is still the first time the writers have allowed something rather predictable. In Season 2, we'll have fast-rising Peggy haunted by the baby she gave up.

BTW, I loved someone's wrap party comments are EP. 1 of Season 2 being amazing. Right now, Season 2 is a few unconnected thoughts in Matt Weiner's head.

For real Mad Men, this episode had a few gems. Loved the VO recording for the weight-loss system with benefits. Getting the voice right is a lot harder than you think. Peggy mangled that one, but had the sense to retreat and do the right thing. And the Carousel pitch was brilliant: I grew up with one of those things.

My problem with this show now is that I've lost a lot of admiration for Don Draper. Instead of being a decorated soldier, he's a deserter. He's a real screw-up with his private stuff: in his scene with Rachel, he was a sniveling coward. I guess that's good writing showing the Alpha Male with clay feet, "where the truth lies" indeed.

That Carousel scene was pure magic, a quintessential example of why this show is the best on TV in a long, long time. But the entire Peggy pregnancy and delivery storyline is a REAL stretch. Come on: She didn't know she was pregnant? It would have been much more plausible if she was suffering a miscarriage, not delivering a full-term baby. I guess that explains why the lobster had more meat in the tail, though! :) Still a great show -- can't wait for Season 2.

When Don called the cheap hotel in Times Square and the manager or guy at the desk told him that Adam had hung himself, he said something about the money - who took it - the Post Office?

Apparently whoever found Adam was honest and didn't keep it.

Why can't Weirdo Betty talk to sanctimonious Francine? Talking to a kid about her issues? The little boy is already creepy as hell! It was little too Mary Kay Letourneau for my tastes!

Oh, wonder if Rachel went to Europe for an abortion?

WAS IT A GIRL OR A BOY??

What drew me to this series was the emotional impact it made on me. I acutally was so angry the first time I watched the show. I forgot how we (women) were treated at home and the workplace. It is hard for anyone under 40 to realize just how different things were then. I got over it and started viewing it as "thank God things have changed" and isn't Don Drapper a hunk! Oh yea...of course Peggy was pregnant!

And Rachel? What became of her? A slow boat to Europe and a long vacation? Obviously, she cracked and told Daddy about Don..and without coming right out and saying so, Daddy Mencken told Bert Cooper how he felt about it. So Don was busted. Have to say I was sorry not to see Rachel in the season finale...also wonder if it's in character for her to break and run away, even in the throes of heartbreak?

I was a female executive in Advertising in the early 70's. Mad Men rings true I'm embarrassed to say. I can relate to everything in this show. Even the carousel presentation was great. Although, I don't think men were as free with their emotions. What's with creepy storyline with Betty and the kid?

Laura, it was a boy. The nurse asked Peggy if she wanted to feed her little boy.

The baby was wrapped in a blue blanket too.

Have to say I was sorry not to see Rachel in the season finale...also wonder if it's in character for her to break and run away, even in the throes of heartbreak?

This usuallly means contract issues, although why an actor wouldn't want to be associated with this show for its entire run is a mystery to me. So we'll see if she shows up in 08.

I'm thinking this. Adam'suicide literally cut the last strand to Don's past. Although he didn't want to acknowledge his past before, "the box" brought something to the surface for Don, hence the phone call to touch base.

I didn't quite get what the conversation with Harry's fruit of the looms did for the Kodak presentation, if anything, but Adam's suicide, combined with Rachel's rejection, made him realize he did have a family that loves him (awww..)

OK. I'm watching the second run, and I have to say I LOVE Joan's dress. Those angled lines, those curves! She looked good.

I was thinking ectopic pregancy when Peggy doubled over with pain in the hospital.

I can't believe all the negative comments. I absolutely loved this episode. The carousel scene made me cry; I think Don is really good inside, but he's self-destructive. He's his own worst enemy. The fantasy scene at the end was heart-breaking. But he deserves to be alone if he doesn't want to be a family man; maybe he's learned a lesson. But Betty better wise up because she's so annoying.

The Peggy pregnancy was very strange; we all suspected it, but she had quite a day, didn't she? New account, an office and a baby!

I hope the new season picks up close to the same time period. Also - love the outdoor scene with all the beautiful cars!