I'm going to pop a gasket, the last 15 minutes of the Fugitive, while I wait for the best show on TV's last ep of the season. My blood pressure's rising...
about to watch it.... waited so long for this day, is walk gunna die? Jesse? is the house gunna blow up. So many questions BREAKING BAD!!! BEST SHOW ON TV!
I think it's a fair assumption that a "737," containing 167 people and perhaps from "Phoenix," will be "Down" "Over" the "ABQ." God, I can't wait to see this.
Cool! It began with that scene again! Looks like black smoke coming from two locations. Also looks like the incident covers a large area, not just Walt's house.
I'm willing to bet Jesse never thought he'd end up in a ritzy sweat lodge spa to get clean! What a difference money has made for him. Hope it gets him clean for good. I'm rooting for you Jesse, now that you've hit bottom, you've got a chance to Get Good.
Walt had to know that second phone was going to bite him in the ass.
awww man thats crazy guy from los pollos hermanos was right underneath hanks nose and when he holds up the picture of walt in front of the wanted poster it was great and i have a question was that robert dinero in the first of the show?
Great episode, amazing ending. My No. 1 emotion right now is sadness. Having to wait till 2010 to see new episodes of the greatest show in television history (yeah, that's right) is going to be difficult. I'll just have to rely on my season one DVD for a while.
One big question I have has to do with Skylar, Marie and Hank. If Skylar is leaving her husband w/ cancer and a newborn baby, what excuse did she give to Marie and Hank??? How much did she tell them about the doctor's bills, etc.?? She would have to have a MAJOR reason for leaving Walt like this...
Shit they did blow up the planes over ABQ, you guys who called Don being an airtraffic controller, Kudos to you. And who let him back to work without grief counselling???????
Any stress filled job supervisor who let that happen should be fired.
So now we know the pink teddybear was a pink herring. (sorry, had to)
Loved the look on Gus' face when he asked about Walt's photo, you have to bet he'll be using that information to keep Walt licking his boots.
Hank, Hank, Hank, pull your head out of your butt.
And all I can say to Skylar is, finally girl, you caught on. It only took all year for your spidey senses to kick in. Too bad you didn't check out the pipes when you were doing laundry girl, or you'd be one happy lady driving off into the sunset. Maybe it's time to call Ted.
Walt, it's your turn to lose, and you're going to hurt.
Now we all have to hurt until the next season.
Awful, just awful. The end sequence of this episode may have ruined the whole season. Are the writers playing a joke on us by building up to that point through the season only to give such an incredible piece of stupidity? The writers of 24 would have found that too moronic to put on the air, and they'll put on almost anything no matter how ridiculous.
WHAT??? My jaw was on the floor. Unlike some very clever people, I did not see that one coming. The scene between Jesse and Walter was truly heart-breaking. It was just a magnificent moment of pure emotion. I cannot believe Skyler. My jaw dropped on that one too. Walter did all of what he did for her--for their family, for her very survival. And she leaves him!? I couldn't decide on Skyler for the longest time, but now I've finally decided. I do not like her and I cannot identify with her decisions. Perhaps she should examine her own not-so-sparkling behavior. I've decided that the main point of this show is that everyone is a criminal--or at least has the capacity to be a criminal. Skyler is not innocent, and she should not pretend to be innocent.
They weren't kidding when they talked about a collision.
I think that the ending to this episode was not much of an ending to this season, but a beginning to next season. This whole episode leaves you to wonder what is going to happen in 9 months from now when season 3 starts. The plane crash might actually play a major role in the next season.
wow!! i am totally blown away....what an episode!! now i am going to go insane until the next season. man i feel bad for jessie, what a mess he has gotten into........and skyler leaving.......adios! have a nice day!
Next season Walt will obviously find out that Jane's dad was the air traffic controller responsible for the crash and will therefore discover that Walt is the one ultimately responsible. Try living with that on your conscience.
Skyler's refusal to learn what Walt had been up to won't last forever. I expect her to find out very early next season. They will have to smooth things over pretty early on or else it will give Hank too much of a reason to get suspicious.
I'm not sure if I like the ending or not. It will take a couple of days for me to decide.
The "cleaner" was great! I hope he's in future episodes.
Tuned in hoping to see a dramatic event that would make Walt break firmly onto the dark side. I was very disappointed in this episode. The story line was not good enough for a season ending show. The plane crash at the end was anti-climactic and contrived. The only thing we are left with is that Walt's wife is onto him and decides to leave him, which I could care less about. In my opinion the writers had some real work to do to make the show interesting going forward and get me interested in the next season. I won't rehash all of the comments I made about last weeks show but I really feel like they dropped the ball in that regard. Really, is this what we are left with? An image of Walt sitting around feeling sorry for himself (I'm not feeling sorry for him) and that ridiculously contrived plane crash! Don't label me a hater! I loved this show up until the last two episodes and I was really hoping to eat my words from last week tonight.
I feel like the plane crash explanation was a bit of a let-down because it doesn't really matter to the story trajectory. On the other hand, the rest of the episode was fanstastic. I didn't really want any of the major cast members to be in the body bags, so I guess this deus ex machina is acceptable... I just wish that the many teasers actually led up to something clearly significant.
Tuned in hoping to see a dramatic event that would make Walt break firmly onto the dark side. I was very disappointed in this episode. The story line was not good enough for a season ending show. The plane crash at the end was anti-climactic and contrived. The only thing we are left with is that Walt's wife is onto him and decides to leave him, which I could care less about. In my opinion the writers had some real work to do to make the show interesting going forward and get me interested in the next season. I won't rehash all of the comments I made about last weeks show but I really feel like they dropped the ball in that regard. Really, is this what we are left with? An image of Walt sitting around feeling sorry for himself (I'm not feeling sorry for him) and that ridiculously contrived plane crash! Don't label me a hater! I loved this show up until the last two episodes and I was really hoping to eat my words from last week tonight.
Tuned in hoping to see a dramatic event that would make Walt break firmly onto the dark side. I was very disappointed in this episode. The story line was not good enough for a season ending show. The plane crash at the end was anti-climactic and contrived. The only thing we are left with is that Walt's wife is onto him and decides to leave him, which I could care less about. In my opinion the writers had some real work to do to make the show interesting going forward and get me interested in the next season. I won't rehash all of the comments I made about last weeks show but I really feel like they dropped the ball in that regard. Really, is this what we are left with? An image of Walt sitting around feeling sorry for himself (I'm not feeling sorry for him) and that ridiculously contrived plane crash! Don't label me a hater! I loved this show up until the last two episodes and I was really hoping to eat my words from last week tonight.
Walt can very easily echo Jesse in relation to Skyler leaving him, when Jesse was crying on Walt's shoulder "I killed her. I killed her!" I still think Skyler should have at least heard him out, but I think deep down she wants her freedom to fuck around with Teddy-boy!
I agree with whoever that was up above in saying that ending was too much like what would be on "24". It just seemed to not fit with this show for some reason. I'm sorry, I just didn't like it at all.
that was a great ending, but so sad it's over for a long time. i hope i don't watch so much crap on tv that i forget what happened tonight..
what happens with the 2 dead bodies as shown in previous episodes in black and white outside walt's house with the glasses on the ground....? is that a little teaser for next season? plane land on him?
Someone posted (in Eps 12's thread) that the color pink was associated with death (specifically the teddy bear, can't remember what else). Jane's comforter had a pink pattern. And have you ever seen Walt wear anything that bright?! It's the death of Walt and the rise of Heisenberg.
I have watched this show from the very beginning. Season two has had me on the edge of my seat with each episode. I see an Emmy nod for best Drama series, another Best Actor ward for Cranston and best supporting actor to AAron Paul. He's been phenominal this season. It going to be a long wait for Season three!
HEISENBERRRGGG!!!!!! i give him major props for producing the purest shit and not being a junkie himself...yeah i was a lil thrown off with the wicked bright sweater selection.
Such a great episode marred by the plane crash ending. It's too far causally removed from Walt's actions to lay the blame at his feet-- as a result, it lacks the kind of emotional punch I assume they were going for. The build up over the season was so suspenseful, that I really felt dread and a knotted stomach every time they showed the body bags. When the plane actually crashed, I felt nothing but disappointment. I feel tricked.
when the beginning scene was goin down-the 2 big black clouds of smoke-literally in my mind "plane crash...omg the 2 bodies, one's walt's" gggrrrrr why can't next season be at the end of the summmmerrrr. i hope that it doesn't get predicatble with everything huge happening right now..
As Vince Gilligan says in his post mortem interview, if you take the titles of the shows with black and white teasers you get the secret code - 737 - Down - Over - ABQ.
By tweeders1 on May 31, 2009 7:43 PM
4justice, Its all good man, or should I say SAUL GOODMAN! I've been trying to find a way to get that one in since I heard it on the podcast. I'm sure Wyoming is a beautiful state. All those mountains and things. I wouldn't mind visiting there someday. I'm a city girl myself though, and yes Wisconsin's pretty beautiful too. Gets pretty fuckin cold though! But its summer now so we're happy about that. To water on Mars back at ya'll!
By 4justice on May 31, 2009 12:10 AM
I really am having a hard time getting my arms around a plane crash over Walt's house. I as a few others (Alexis, pj1978, ?) believe that the two body bags in Walt's driveway is the final episode of Breaking Bad.
Well i was wrong there! but no major character is dead.....that was a call. Skyler is out and Jesse is in Shangra la.....can i visit?
Jane lying there with her eyes open was really creepy.....
tweeders1, please come to WYO...Yellowstone aka Jellystone. hey boo boo!
The Mint in Sheridan has cold FLAT TIRE BEER! Invite open to all BB posters! :)
ask for my e-mail and IM site.
Episode #1 starts with the black and white hose dripping and the eyeball going into the pool overflow and the slow rotation of the pink teddy bear... just like this one.
I was thinking the teddy bear had to belong to the family... hmm but symbolically Walt is wearing a pink sweater when the planes crash. hmm..
Yes I wonder who the two bodies in the driveway will be. I'm betting on Skyler and her boss. A long shot bet on the manager of El Pollo Loco and the Lawyer.
I didn't quite catch what Skyler said to Walt while packing. That really isn't my concern. What I'm wondering is if Skyler and baby were on that plane. Yes or No?
I really liked the episode until the ending Crash-like coincidence. There was a hint of that last week with Walt meeting Jane's dad in a bar but the air collision was too much. It's such a great show but I couldn't suspend disbelief with the crash.
The NTSB van, the two black plumes, and then Jane's dad is an air traffic controller. It's a letdown.
I still think it's a great show but ending was disappointing.
oo dead body guess: saul and jesse! somehow get to walt's, walt tries to protect jesse-hence the busted glasses, leaving saul and jesse dead in the driveway.
The good news is that they have a long time to try and bail themselves out of a dying story line. Walt needs to make his transition. Its not good enough for him to just have some marital problems and go on selling dope (or not selling dope whatever). Did anyone feel bad for Walt tonight? Why would you? Where does that leave us? I felt bad for Jesse but where is that character taking us? He's not driving the story line at all anymore.
I love that Pink bear and also Walt's sweater.
Did anyone else notice that the (Native American dancer- can not remember what it is called) metal figure on the pool fence, was pink also?
i think that is unusual for those to be pink. they are usually dark or brown.
I have been so anxious to comment on BB. Does everyone out there realize this is probably the best scripted show on TV in a very long time. Trust me I am 64 and have been watching TV since 1950.
Congrats and many thanks to AMC for BB and Mad Men.
The character development and script and timing is more than good television. It is intelligent and thought provoking. Every other nite of the weak I just surf and end up with the History channel and then AC 360
I want BB to walk away with everything for this season. The cast is superb and deserves recognition.
Why is it that the greater majority of the comments I see are reading into the story and the characters. Why not enjoy the writing and let yourself into these great characters. I want to be in their lives...thats a well writtent piece of material
Where is the fan club for this great entertainment? I'm in
Oh, God . . . I sobbed along with and for Jesse. How in hell he found his way to that miserable shooting gallery, I don't know. I think the body bags are strangers, passengers on one of those planes. But the jig is really going to be up for Walt now. With Skyler going to stay with Marie and Hank, she'll tell them everything. Hank is a loud blowhard, but he'll make the connection.
I was glad that Jesse could afford go to some rockstar, ritzy Hazelton kind of spa place for rehab, but did anyone else notice how COLD it was? I could see everyone's breath.
What an amazing show--I was absolutely astounded. Again.
It would not surprise me at all if Skyler lied about going to Hank & Marie's and hopped on a plane. Imagine if we had seen that same pink teddy bear in their house previously, and now Walt sees his daughter's half-burnt bear floating in his pool. That, I think, would give us that heart-dropping, gut-wrenching, floor-falling-out-from-under-you feeling we're craving right now.
Great ending and will make for a great start for Season 3. I want some kudos for being the first to guess Jane's dad was an ATC and would cause the plane crash!!! I was upset with him when he didn't take his daughter straight to rehab (I've been there and I know you don't wait a day) so I'm sure his grief and self blame was huge.
Another prediction I made a few weeks ago I'll make again - Walt is going to fake his own death and disappear. Things are too hot for him with Skyler figuring out that he's getting the money illegally and Hank coming over to help him pack. He's wearing pink and pink is the color of death?? I love that!! He needs to leave his family cause he's a terrible husband and father and doesn't deserve them and he knows it. Anyways, Skyler has done it for him.
The only thing that surprised me this episode was that Skyler figured it all out so I wasn't surprised by anything else (maybe its better not to figure things out!)
barlow -- your have a good point about Jesse. he is in total stasis both; in form and in the plot trajectory.
he's gotta be so 'sad', and i am glad i do not know that kind of level of sad. can't blame him for the blank stare state.
I'm re-posting my thoughts for all of you who disliked the ending.
The plane-crash wasn't a cop-out. It was symbolic. It was hyperbole - it signified the devastation Walt has caused. Very tasteful in it's grandiosity. Straight up.
I must agree with those of you who were a bit disappointed with the ending of this ep. It could redeem itself next season if they kept the storyline of Donald being on the news as the person responsible, and Walt seeing him and putting 2 and 2 together and realizing that he had talked to Don before watching his daughter die. THen Walt would have a ton more guilt to chew on. Maybe they could run that story back to back with Walt the super dad story and Don could see Walt on TV and identify the same, that he'd seen that guy before.
Skylar is going to have a tough time at Hank and Marie's. If she tells all, Hank has got to catch on. But if she does start talking, she better not look in a mirror because she's not so squeaky clean herself anymore, being knowledgeable about Ted's fraud and all. I see her going back to hear Walt out and making a decision about how Bad she can accept, for how much money. After all, Hank accepts Marie's little habit doesn't he?
I wonder if Marie's going to call the press to update that Walt isn't such a wonder dad after all? Wouldn't that be sweet? She's such a meddling kat after all. I'd love to kick her to the kurb.
Just how long can Abq's "finest" have Heisenberg right under his nose and not have a clue, really. This has to develop next season, he has to get wise and make a decision to turn Walt in or Break Bad too and lead his dept down the garden path. OK, Vince, we the fans await. Bring us your finest for we will accept no other.
TTFN
I think we had talked each other into believing the ending would be a more personal tragedy for Walt, but a plane crash over his house (which, although he doesn't know it yet, he indirectly caused) is a pretty big deal. The chain of events over the 2 seasons has been kind of like a Greek tragedy. Genius!
And speaking of genius, I was especially to hear the voice of one of my favorite musicians in the song playing during the surgery scenes - Chocolate Genius, Inc.
From the creator:
"In simple terms, we just wanted a giant moment of showmanship to end the season. And what better way than to have a rain of fire coming down around our protagnoist's ears, sort of like the judgment of God? It seemed like a big showmanship moment, and to visualize, in one fell swoop, all the terrible grief that Walt has wrought upon his loved ones, and the community at large. In that moment, at the end of season two, he doesn't realize it, but he's responsible for the whole world figuratively coming to an end around him. It's not deus ex machina, there's another term we were talking about, Lucifer ex machina, "Devil from the machine" -- it's the opposite. It almost could feel kind of random, but it's not. It's a butterfly effect. All these gears have been turning, this particular outcome was stuff Walt put into motion a long time ago by choosing to cook crystal meth."
"The plane-crash wasn't a cop-out. It was symbolic. It was hyperbole - it signified the devastation Walt has caused."
And therefore it didn't belong in this show as we've come to know it for 19 and most of a 20th episode. If random acts of symbolic magic are now part of show, I don't give a shit about it anymore. We can't take the previous gritty, realistic tone seriously anymore knowing that the writers could suddenly pull something completely absurd out of thin air like this that completely contradicts the previous setting and tone of the show.
hantamouth, I get that the crash is a metaphor and the point is in the coincidence - the interconnectedness of people and all, like with the movie, Crash.
Still, I like the realism of the show so this was..., out of the blue.
Synaptic, yeah I don't mind that they spent an entire episode on Jesse grieving, that is necessary I think. Also, symbolism is fine and can really add some fun to a story line but should not be a substitute for one. Some of the discussions about symbolism and possible story lines for next season on this forum are more interesting than the episode was. Not good!
Wow, What a Great Season finale! I like the way they used the opener from the episode 1 to start this last episode. Also liked the way all the Principle characters were involved again. We also are introduced to a new character Mr. Fix it, via Saul Goodman. There is way too much to cover in this episode, but in summary Walter White out by the Pool pondering how his world is crashing down around him and then hearing something and looking skyward to see a mid air collision of two Aircraft. This one man has impacted so many lives in both good and bad ways. How will Walter reconcile all of this?
Damn, last show of the season, GREAT SEASON, I can't wait till next season. Well Walts got the house to himself, it's time to cook!!!!! Hopefully Jessie kicks the "H" and gets his head back in the game. I'm sorry to see Janes character die off but she had it coming, (blackmailing Walt like that). She was soooo Hottttt!!! Oh well, I hope the third season is as intense as this last one.
tj, thanks for the "pink herring", also note Walt's pink shirt, the pink bedspread, the pink exact same bear on Jane's mural in the bedroom, the pink Kokopelli on the wall at the swimming pool. The writers fed into our analyses with that and another false hint: the plan to bury Jane in a dark blue dress with long sleeves and here comes Skyler is a short-sleeved top the very same color. I thought Skyler was a goner at that point. Walt's body being flopped around during surgery as Jane's had been while being bagged. They have given us more stuff to wonder about and no answers. Walt is finally seeing the damage he has caused; Jesse's grieving is unbearable, Skyler is leaving with the kids. We are left with no answers but have plenty of time for more theories.
I was wishing Flynn into a bodybag with that incessant beeping. "Like Tia's bell" Funny!
Funny..., but I was so keyed up through most of the show. Anxious about what would happen to the characters. The last time I was this worked up for a TV show it was the Sopranos' finale. And, in the end, my reactions is the same. As with the Sopranos, I get what they're going for but I'm a little dissatisfied.
OK-I just signed up and I know I'm new - BUT
I have looked forward to this S2 finale all week-I am a 1/2 hour out (9:30pm PDT) - I flip to AMC to get set for this - has to be - best television EVER and there is for the 1st time in years NO FREAKING SIGNAL on COMCAST CABLE on CH 49 and hasn't been since 8:45 tonight-NOTHING BUT A SCRAMBLED SCREEN and ONLY ON AMC! I am all over the place trying to figure out if I can stream it online-or what? Anyone know what I can do?
Help?! Please?!
I love the way they can play with your imagination on this show. All of us had what we thought was the answer for the pink teddy bare. I for one thought that it had to do with Jesse finding out about, Walt being in the apartment. After witching it again you can see that the body's are from the planes.I loved the seen with Jesse and Walt in that crazy crack house or what ever that place was,nice job to the DP on that house, I was so skeeved out buy that place I know I'm having nightmares from it.LOL :D I have so much more to say, I thick I'm going to read some more and post again!
I kinda found this episode weak for a season finale. Well actually now that this season is over I have to say it's been kinda weak overall. I still love the show but the Sal Goodman character is kinda of "jump the shark" material and have found the show lacking ever since the episode he came on. As for the season finale, they really didn't leave me hanging craving more. I hope next season is better than this one. Still my favorite show on tv but thats not saying alot.
Good job Deprave Dave for the plane call. Man did I feel sorry for Jesse. Finnally he falls in love and Vince Gilligan tortures the poor kid again. I think that Donald is pretty much done for awhile. Can't imagine what he must be feeling, daughter dead than causing those plane's to collide. He's gonna be in the loony bin for awhile. When he picked up the Apology girl pic, his look of utter defeat. So sad. The plane crash looked AWESOME!!! I'm still wondering what Walts glasses are doing in the evidence bags. Too funny with Gus meeting Hank. Skylar is one sneaky, scary, crawling up Walts ass bitch yo. Anna deserves an Emmy. Marie pointing to Walts cheeks trying to get him to smile while Walt Jr. waxes on about what a great dad he is. Priceless! The way Bryan worked his face during that. I was chuckling. Other than the plane passengers, I'm glad they haven't killed anyone else off. Good thing that Marie keeps secrets from Hank. Skylar tells her everything. Hank may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he's apparently sharper than the rest of the DEA agents. dhsmom,I hope your wrong. Though when I think about it the dress Skylar was wearing was the same color blue dress that Donald had picked out for Jane to be buried in.
Jesse in the spa was cool, even if he was so sad. The only reason I think this ending wasn't as sad as we thought it would be was because we had figured some of it out. Yea us. 4justice, who knows, maybe Wyoland someday. Though I'm trying to get to France and ABQ first. Gotta take that Zia tour sans the Ricin Burrito's. I have enough gas as it is.
To Water on Mars YO!
When Walt was recovering in the hospital after his
'fugue' state, the camera kept panning over a painting by his bed of a man rowing out to sea and his family (wife, son, daughter and dog) waving goodbye to him. Watching the episodes again, a lot of camera time was given to that picture. Ever since then, Walt and grown further and further from him family and it was inevitable that he would lose them.
I'm glad that none of them were killed. And I hope Skyler was far enough away in her car that she didn't get hurt. We won't know for sure til next season.
This is the best tv show ever. Kudos to the writers, the actors, the cinematographer, the editors, the stylists and whoever picks the awesome music. (Rewatching Season 1 I noticed that when Crazy 8 ran into the tree the lyrics were 'you knock me out' I had a good laugh over that.) Rewatching these shows is such a pleasure - all the details are perfect and perfectly executed and on each viewing I find something new. thankyou BB
SystemError, I'm with you, but I have seen shows turn it around and get back on track (Lost). Maybe with the wife out of the picture, or possibly even dead, Walt can start to explore his dark side a little more (like the side that let Jane die). He needs more of a catalyst to get there I think. I was hoping to see that in this episode but hopefully they will start off next season that way. I just don't see what other story line makes sense at this point.
Hey barlow-thanks for the calming effect-I am running out to a local hang w/SAT-they'll either have it on or when they see me-then hear me-I'll get it on AMC-18 minutes from now-if not I have to stay off blog-I know you guys already saw it-right?
I see some people are disappointed by the way Season 2 ended. I don't see a reason for disappointment at this point. This ending will not be fully explained or understood until we see the early parts of Season 3, which will allow us to see the ending of Season 2 as part of the big picture, and judge it from that perspective.
I wasn't impressed with the ending at all. The whole series started good, seem to have been using a lot of easy solutions for plot twists. Seems like Saul "knows someone" who can solve about any problem they have. And this plane crash is sort of "out of the blue" so to speak.
I love that people hate the unpredictable,All we do is ask for a show that will make us thick.A show that is going to make you feel like you have an idea of whats going on and what will happen,and then they get you.So think about it,This season is just the layout, now the show is off and running. Walt has to move out. Jesse is in that "sick rehab" witch I would live in even if I wasn't on drugs. They both need to move,I don't need to spell this out,But that's what we wont.More freedom, less seeking around.Maybe even a few stand alone episodes!
This is just the start, come on when you first herd the premise for this show how long did you think it would take to establish everything!
Hey guys, I love reading this forum... and I must admit that many of you pick up on symbolism and meaning that really just blows past me. The reason I watch it, because unlike anything else on TV, I'm in the passenger seat of a racing car. All I have to say is that if I continue reading all the great posts on here until the airing of Season 3 Episode 1 - I will go absolutely insane.
Adel77, I think the problem is that a show should deliver on a season finale. They don't have to give away the whole gig but I think that plane crash was just a little to detached/contrived. The main character seems to be headed for a major emotional break. Atleast I hope he is because he is no longer all that likeable. I think he needs to become Heisenburgh or things will get boring.
To those out there who can't see the show tonight, it usually replays on AMC on Wednesday's. Check out the schedule. It may seem concieted but I'm reposting my hillbilly parody for those who didn't catch it in the last thread. What are we all going to do now. Pushing Daisies is done next week and no Mad Men till August? Yeesh.
To the tune of the Beverly Hillbillies
Let me tell you all a story bout a man named Walt.
Poor chem teacher, being broke his only fault.
Then one day he got diagnosed with C,
Then manufactured meth down in Albaquerque.
Crystal Blue
Majic Yo!
SCONTAAAAA!!!!!
Next thing you know old Walts a millionaire,
Cops and Banger's want a piece of him and he don't fuckin care.
Killin junkie bitches is the way its gotta be,
to protect his home and family in his territory.
New Mexico,
Swimming Pools,
Tortoise Bombs
Its time to say goodbye to Walt and all his freaky kin.
And Jesse would like to thank you bitches for fuckin droppin in.
You're all invited back next season to AMC
to have a heapin bowlfull of their hospitality.
Bitches Yo!
Load it HO!
Fire it up now, ya hear?
ut the schedule.
This show is for people that pick and pick and pick!
It sounds so wrong. but it's really a show for smart people.I tried show others and they looked at me like I was crazy for loving the shit out of this show!
Skyler has to be dead. There's no other way forward... with her out of the way Walt can continue his nefarious deeds. The other way out would be for him to become a witness.
I believe this was a climatic episode to an ending of a great season. The only personal antipathy that managed to creep into my psyche, and this has nothing to do with the producers, writers, or director of the show, was the way Skyler reacted to her absurd conclusion over how Walter had managed to pay for the surgery. She is really acting like a spoiled brat; just because she couldn't figure out how the surgery was paid for, it does not excuse her to go apoplectic on Walter and run away from the home.
It is not as if Walter was cheating on her while, even to her admission, she refuted her own suspicion. Why couldn't she ask Walter where he got the money from rather than this whole weak a$$ accusatory piffle and then comes over mysteriously, whispering emotional jargon into Walter's ear. Walter has been doing all this for her and the kids. Her reaction was absolutely ridiculous and if my future wife even shows an ensemble of irrationality like Skyler did, she could be assured she would not be seeing the light of a day -- ingratiated psycho. *allow me to take a deep breath*
Another segment that lost interest in me was the part Walter went after rescuing Jesse. The whole fatherly over-blown sentimental empathy to save Jesse from the crack house was parochial and tiresome. But I suppose it was necessary in order to keep him for the next season. Now Gus knows way too much about Walter's situation, not as if he couldn't had found out about it, as he is an astute and observant man. But now he can squeeze Walter's balls even harder to get a few more golden eggs. If Walter by any chance decides to stop cooking, with all the people he has involved himself with, it would be almost next to impossible to quit at this point. It would be interesting to see how the writers manage to incorporate Walter's reluctance to continue his drug enterprise.
I am just hoping Skyler comes to her goodie-tooshie senses and gives Walter some credit.
that dude above who's cable is out I am Sad for you man!
I can only imagine, i looked forward to this night all week.
I haven't check iTunes for BB - but have wondered if it was there.
I think the season one discs are great to watch i watch part of an episode almost every night before i turn off the light and sleep.. i have NO IDEA why i do that except this show kicks ass! as most of us know! addictive - no pun intended..
i have a stupid question if anyone wants to answer.
what is smoking Meth like? is it like the stuff a friend of mine used, back in 1990 called 'crank' that she snorted and got all paranoid? is it the same thing (Crank?) why are there so many shit chemicals put into it by these cooks?
I know these are BAD questions but i was curious...
I was working a a real career when "Crack" was popular and fortunately for me i never got hooked on anything other than in my youth (late 70's) with; Pot....
ps; the bay's hat in opening scene is pink also. i am gonna have to look up this PINK=DEATH concept....
The senerio with the plane and the stuffed animal was attached to the bar scene from last week .They are showing how connected people are The plane crash having been caused by jessies girlfriends dad due to his grief and being unable to concentrate at work. Im betting the bodies will turn out to be someone who came from the plane also.Its like good ole Walt is going to have to turn back into Heisenburgh , hes lost his other life .. We all know its not going to end well , but I had hoped they wouldnt go completely South with this awesome series...just trying to squeeze more seasons out of it but who knws at this rate ..they just might try. And poor Jessie..he has gotten the s--t end of the stick since he got involved with Walt. Still love this show. Anyone knw when they are airing the 3rd season? Im hanging in there for it..It took them almost 2 yrs before they aired the 2nd. Right? Hope not tht long this time
I have a question many of you can probably answer. If you buy the DVDs of the show, do you get extras? Aside from uncensored language (which in itself would be a blessing--try watching Deadliest Catch on regular TV--it's like listening to an old radio that keeps shorting out). I've seen camera angles from the still photos that don't appear on the episodes. Do you get anything like that?
Hey guys, I love reading this forum... and I must admit that many of you pick up on symbolism and meaning that really just blows past me. The reason I watch it, because unlike anything else on TV, I'm in the passenger seat of a racing car. All I have to say is that if I continue reading all the great posts on here until the airing of Season 3 Episode 1 - I will go absolutely insane.
Hey guys, I love reading this forum... and I must admit that many of you pick up on symbolism and meaning that really just blows past me. The reason I watch it, because unlike anything else on TV, I'm in the passenger seat of a racing car. All I have to say is that if I continue reading all the great posts on here until the airing of Season 3 Episode 1 - I will go absolutely insane.
Another thing I notice a lot of people complain about and that is Skyler might end up dying while the plane debris is showered on her and the baby while driving. The writers will never take out the family as they are the reason for Walter to continue his unintended escapade and pursuit of acquisition of money through drug trafficking. Remember, Walter started this whole thing because he wanted to leave his family some wealth in case the cancer wins over his life. Read Vince's interview about this episode and season 3:
That fuckin' face that Bryan Cranston makes when Marie tells him to smile is one of the funniest things he's ever done! :) This episode was just a cliff-hanger... good call on the airplane notion. I always think of THE HAND THAT ROCKS THE CRADLE when I see Jane's dad, (no glove). Gus, is the man... but I'm afraid that SOMEONE was on that plane.... and I'm gonna have to go with Saul on this one. I could be wrong, this show is very unpredictable. They better not wait a million years to release the season 2 dvd, cause I have to look forward to now is award season... Good job, to all!!
Lyvix: I think we all know by now that Walter is doing this for more then his family! They kinda let that out when he told those 2 guy's to get out of his town.He like's it.He like it a lot!:)
I don't see where the story line is going. Is it enough to just be unpredictable? I think they may have to play the brother in law card soon. As in the brother in law figures out what Walt has been up to. I can't see them just bringing back the Cancer so that he needs more money and starts cooking again. I think they got away from the premise that makes the show work too soon.
Wait a second, here....WHY did Walt leave almost half a million dollars behind at Jesse's apartment after he witnessed Jane die? That doesn't make sense to me, how did he know that Jesse wasn't going to die also and leave all that money to go sit in evidence? I thought that's why he went back there in the first place?
We know he left it because it was there when Saul's guy cleaned the apartment and collected it and gave it to Saul to hold for Jesse.
This has me buggin because the writing and editing has been pitch perfect on this show. That is so out of character for Walt, since the money was essentially blackmailed by Jane, and she was out of the picture....oh, wait I SEE!! If Walt would have taken the money then Jesse would have figured out Walt had come back!! He might even have blamed Walt for her death! So, I guess that's why Walt left the money behind, to cover that he was even back there. Any thoughts???
Oh, and the cops are calling the meth "BLUE SKY" and Skyler has been dressed in blue in each episode and packs alot of blue clothing when she's leaving to go to Marie's......brilliant pallet coloring and writing, again!
And Jane's Mom is telling her Dad to get her yellow dress, and she died in a room awash in yellow on yellow sheets...more pallet!
Damn, what am I gonna do until next year?
Walt is bettor off without Skyler. Maybe Saul can fix him up with someone who will appreciate him. Skyler is just way too controlling and self absorbed. Doesn't seem to mind going after a boss that cooks the books. You go Walt! I hope when the end comes, he's unapologetic.
does anyone know when they shoot this show? is all done in the winter or cool months? i assume they are not shooting down there in the heat of the summer!?
Bitchie, I think the reason that Walt didn't take Jessie's money with him is that Jessie would freak out even more than he did. Also Walt in good conscience couldn't keep Jessie's money away from him which he would have had to do because if he told Jessie he had his money, Jessie would figur out that Walt was there earlier and either saw Jane die, or saw her after she was dead and didn't do anything about it. Walt can't afford to be on Jesse's bad side right now. Jesse could crack out of guilt any minute and has the power to take both of them down. Something that I picked up today about the division of funds between Walt and Jesse. Walt told Jesse that Sauls cut for laundering was 20%. Its actually 17%. Walts already not keeping on the up and up with Jesse.
Not only was the pink teddy bear falling from the sky in the mural on the wall.
Jane was falling from the sky in the mural as well.
Connect all this with the oroborus (sp) drawing on her desk....It is like Jane had a premonition or a vision of what was to come
some like to argue about this but they are wrong.
Meth = Crank same thing just one is a purer form. Crank doesn't smoke as good as Meth does in it's Crystal form.They use different and more chemicals to make it because they cant get the supply of what they used before.
Man Walt was just waiting for Jesse to call and tell him about Jane, that was evil.
I loved how Jane's Dad picked up the picture of Apology Girl. I was actually thinking about that just before he picked it up.
The mural over Jane's bed was pretty cool.
Did you notice how Jane was gonna be buried in blue and how Skylar was wearing the exact same color too
That preview of the episode a few weeks back showed the teddy bear and body bags in Walt's driveway. Seems a little bizarre to have those bags be for his family, so I'm not buying that...yet. Great show. AMC has a real hit here.
Props to: DepraveDave...you da MAN! Way to go, on deciphering that!! =) *stands up & applaudes Dave!*
OMG, Aaron Paul did an amazing job, of portraying his grief, over Janes' death!!! It was so heart-wrenching, to watch! We found ourselves, crying along, with him, as well as, for him!!! ='(
Even though Gus, acts all cool-&-calm, like he's got an "Ice-Chest"...you KNOW that, after seeing that pic of Walt, on the donation jar, at Hanks' office...that certain, specific parts of his body, are "drawing-up", right now!!! YIKES!!!!
Blue Runner; Thanks for the info - so back in the day when my friend was doing "crank" that was a 'Better' quality form of what they call Meth Now? except CRYSTAL is for smoking?
also aren't truck drivers ( as a stereotype) use meth to be on long haul road driving and some of the characters are skinny, like my friend was?. similar to the heroin shooting gallery?
and speaking of Skylar - why is she so rightous about the $$$$$$$??
maybe just looking for a reason to split, but i would think - in most cases money would talk.
Ted's book cooking comes to light, and Skylar is implicated. Walt gets Saul to intervene somehow to clear Skylar and send Ted up the river. Walt is forced to come clean at least partially to Skylar, who reluctantly becomes complicit. In order to retain his sympathetic character (as opposed to simply turning to the dark side), Walt gets pressured by Gus to increase production, at which point Jesse is now no longer superfluous. Having made his 480 thousand though, Jesse, now clean, has an epiphany and wants to get out and reconcile with his family. After Walt meets Gus' production quota, Hank, who is as yet unable to close in on Heisenberg, manages to ID Gus and take him out of the equation, leaving Walt and Jesse sitting on a huge quantity of product with no distribution. Enter the Mexican cartel.
Also of note: during Walt's surgery, they first remove two (relatively) small tumors, two lonely little blips on the radar, and then BANG, they toss the BIG OL' TUMOR, the huge Cancer from which the small ones either evolved or just part of. Kind of like how Walt and Jesse are two tiny nodes on the big disease of Meth addiction.
The two lonely blips on the radar again become significant with Jane's dad as a air traffic controller...colliding and raining a shitstorm down on ABQ
VALLEN: Great catch on the pink teddy bear in Jane's mural, I'd love to find a still photo of that mural to study further.
I love Vince's brilliant use of distinct color pallets for each episode!!
I guess it was right under our noses all along. I also have to say because you did crack the code that this episode did leave me with an anti climactic feeling because I knew what was going to happen already. Except for the two dead bodies. But if those were two passengers in the plane, I would think that hitting the ground from that altitude would have pretty much liquified them upon impact that there wouldn't be much of a body to cover up. Oh well.
the best scene tonight though was Skyler busting Walt. As much as I hate her stupid ass she nailed him on it big time and he couldn't lie to her anymore. Sucks for Walt though.
He only did this for the future of his family and now his family has abandoned him. In the process so many people died and now this plane crash which he is indirectly involved in has destroyed so many other family lives.
When he was sitting out by the pool when the plane crash it reminded me of Michael Corleone at the end of Godfather II. He made the big meth score but at what cost? In the end he was all alone. He will really latch on to Jesse now more than ever.
So many ideas and possibilities for next season that it will make your head spin. All in all this was an excellent season for this show. I wished the finale was at least a half hour longer to give us more to fill our belly's with but we will now all have to go into Rehab.
I look forward to hearing and seeing all of your comments next year guys and gals. Stay healthy. Until then.......Ciao!!
Hey guys, I love reading this forum... and I must admit that many of you pick up on symbolism and meaning that really just blows past me. The reason I watch it, because unlike anything else on TV, I'm in the passenger seat of a racing car. All I have to say is that if I continue reading all the great posts on here until the airing of Season 3 Episode 1 - I will go absolutely insane.
bluesplayer: She said she was going to spend the weekend at Hank and Marie's, so I don't think she was on the plane. Plus, more information about that is in NJ's article linked above.
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that is a serious prediction, the last part about Mexi cartel is scarey, in light of current real world shit on boarder.
but as the song goes; "SEND LAWYERS, GUNS, and MONEY"
I bet it will not be so easy to get jesse, to re up on the cooking and you are right about his change of heart. I am not sure if his family will take him back.
after seeing Walt's photo in the DEA office Gus will have some grand designs on Walt for sure.
I dont know if you would call it a better quality just made differently and was mainly snorted or main lined. You could smoke crank and people did but it would burn brown and yucky.That's because crank was always cut with something like caffine to double the quanity. Then when the crystal got out there people found that it burned clear and would crystalize back after heat was removed. Now all anybody does is smoke it and no ones wants anything less than 100% pure.
here's my understanding as a drug counselor: speed (aka crank) is a classification of drugs, under which crystal methamphetamine falls. "crystal," "meth," "crank," "speed," and about a hundred other nicknames can all apply to crystal methamphetamine; the specific implications of each slang word vary over different regions and different groups of people. you can shoot meth, smoke it, or snort it up your nose.
many truckers have used various types of speed (especially meth) to keep awake on long drives. i've even read accounts of kids who roam the sides of highways and actually drink from piss-bottles, hoping that they've come from truckers high on meth... supposedly you can get high from this? but it seems unlikely - or at least not worth it!
What about this lol.....Jesse's girlfriends dad was helping Gus move his product around the country by airplanes. Seeing as how he directed air travel, he could easily help gus smuggle drugs in using planes. After his daughter dies from over dosing on drugs, he doesn't even cry. I think thats because he feels responsible because he helps bring in the very drugs his daughter uses. Feeling guilty and mad, he directs one of Guses drug planes so that it crashes. Look at the fall out crew that responded, all dressed in gas masks, probably because they found out it was crystel meth that was on the plane that crashed. Also look at the stuffed animal that fell into Walters pool. Gus probably had the crystel meth stuffed into those stuffed animals.
The scene were Walt and "The Cleaner" go to recuse Jesse reminds me of a quote from "Dante's Inferno".The final words of the inscription on the Gate of Hell."'Abandon every hope, you who enter.'" Talk about a group of "lost souls". This same idea reminds me of a scene from Francis Ford Coppola's "Apocalypse Now(Redux), where Captain Willard(Martin Sheen) and the PBR Street Gang come up to Do Lung Bridge, and the "lost souls" soliders jump in the water, swimming toward the boat pleading, "Take me home!" Do Lung Bridge symbolizes the Gate of Hell, and "'Abandon every hope, you who enter.'"
makes no point in plot trajectory to eliminate Skylar and baby via the plane crash. unless it propels Total BADNESS to an extreme level that makes for a shorter set of episodes in a series over all. but what do i know, i am getting sleepy.
but my point is i do not see the profit in Skylar being on the plane. she has more work to do in making Walts life hell and break bad even further or; to a road of redemption.
I love how this show constantly rackets up the tension. There is never any let up, and I feel awful for everyone involved, esp. Walt, at least once an episode.
The plane crash was insane. What a red herring the whole poolside thing was. Like it was Walt and Jesse lying by the Aztec in the driveway, but we all knew that was too easy.
Also, I think Gus is going to want to kill Walt. I thought he might already, given how careful he is -- it's really the best solution to get rid of a potential leak. And now that Gus knows Walt is connected to the DEA!!! He's definitely coming after Walt and possibly Saul too.
yes if you use meth you could pee into a bottle and after a few days if you looked at it there would be dope that you can see settled at the bottom.
no shit
OMG! I have never been so on the edge of my seat before in my life!
Now, that the season is over there is something that is REALLY bothering me!
Regarding the pink stuffed animal that apparently fell from the plane, did anyone else notice that the SAME stuffed animal was laying on top of the pool cover of the De Anza Motor Lodge in the beginning of episode 12, where, coincidentally, Walt not only did the "exchange" (that we never got to see), and that Jesse ended up at later after his girlfriend died?
Does this mean that someone on that plane is someone that was at the De Anza Hotel?
Also, why did Walt remove the spare tire from his car??
OMG! I have never been so on the edge of my seat before in my life!
Now, that the season is over there is something that is REALLY bothering me!
Regarding the pink stuffed animal that apparently fell from the plane, did anyone else notice that the SAME stuffed animal was laying on top of the pool cover of the De Anza Motor Lodge in the beginning of episode 12, where, coincidentally, Walt not only did the "exchange" (that we never got to see), and that Jesse ended up at later after his girlfriend died?
Does this mean that someone on that plane is someone that was at the De Anza Hotel?
Also, why did Walt remove the spare tire from his car??
OMG! I have never been so on the edge of my seat before in my life!
Now, that the season is over there is something that is REALLY bothering me!
Regarding the pink stuffed animal that apparently fell from the plane, did anyone else notice that the SAME stuffed animal was laying on top of the pool cover of the De Anza Motor Lodge in the beginning of episode 12, where, coincidentally, Walt not only did the "exchange" (that we never got to see), and that Jesse ended up at later after his girlfriend died?
Does this mean that someone on that plane is someone that was at the De Anza Hotel?
Also, why did Walt remove the spare tire from his car??
Jerry - It would be much safer for Gus to ship the drugs by truck than to risk flying them as cargo. I doubt that ATC's have access to the actual planes as they aren't on the ground. Also about Gus not crying. I have a daughter like Jane and after ten years of trying your hardest fighting an uphill battle with addiction with a loved one your feelings tend to get numb. But the fear pain and guilt is enormous for a parent.
Hank will eventually discover Heisenberg's identity. Walt will make a deal with him to keep silent in exchange for feeding him information to advance his career. Walt then has to start turning in key players, but instead of doing so and getting out of the business, somehow stumbles into the role of an even bigger kingpin.
jerry: that is an insane idea about the plane carrying Gus's drugs and Jesse's girlfriend's dad being in on it, etc. So implausible I actually like it.
Everything is connected in this show. It's so intelligent and well-thought out that I would put anything past the producers/writers. Who knows what the plane crash is about, really.
No, Skylar wasn't on that plane. Pay attention folks!
Anyway, wow. I'm already going through withdrawals like Jesse from this show not being on with fresh episodes for another 9 months (or whatever).
Emmys, Golden Globes for sure. Vince Gilligan: X-Files and now this? How good is he?
Any chance that Walt can somehow set up Gus as "Heisenberg"? Come on, the profile would fit. Intelligent, rich, a perfect cover. Wouldn't you buy Gus as Heisenberg if you were DEA? I would.
Fulminated Mercury: The pink bear appeared in many places in different episodes, so it doesn't mean that someone on the plane was at the De Anza hotel. There is a thread titled "The Pink Stuffed Animal" in this forum that talks about the different places the bear appeared in. It's also mentioned the article at NJ that is linked above.
Clues to next season:
1. What were the destinations and departures of the two planes being controlled by Jane's dad?
2. Marie was going to be picking up Walt Jr from school that day.
3. If Gus was on one of those planes, that opens the door for Walt and Saul to become BIGTIME KINGPINS. Remember Gus owns lots of Pollos Hermanos all over the place, and has wide reaching tentacles.
4. If Gretchen or her husband were on either of those planes, could get interesting as some benefactor monies coming Walt's way.
5. Walt and Jesse concoct a bigger, badder drug than Blue Sky using Walt's genius, and involve Marie to steal the special chemical ingredients from the hospital that she works at!!!
Editing that bugged me in this episode:
1. Walt and Jesse in the drug house..first Walt's patting his head, change angle he's petting his back, change angle back to patting his head.
2. Skyler packing, each shot she has different and inconsistant clothing in her hand, first it's blue, then it's black....however, the ACTING in this scene alone is Emmy-worthy!!
3. When Skylar tosses the baby in the back seat of the stationwagon along with her luggage. I know she just wanted to get away from Walt, but come on, she didn't even buckle the seat in, she just tossed it.
Editing I LOVED: How all the bald guys at the drug house looked like Walt!
If anyone finds a still of Jane's mural, please post a link!!
@pg1978. I can see where you are comng from with that statement. You have to watch were you take the script, or you can end up "painting yourself into a corner". A good example of this was Season 4 of "Weeds"-"On the Border". The writers boxed themselves in at the end of Season 3, and Season 4 became far fecthed and ridiculous.
Those who found this episode as a let down fail to recognize the main point of a season finale. Its to leave you hanging wanting more, very possible with out having to kill off a character or doing something outrageous for the sake of outrageous. And we have no clue if debris kills a main character or not. But the implications put into motion by Walter are endless, along with being on the brink of losing his family and purpose he started cooking. Left on edge and wanting more only this time I know it's a lot longer than a week I'll have to wait. PLEASE, not until next year. All we need is a little taste, you know, come on were hurting guys. just a fix to hold over
Did anyone also notice during the scene before Walt goes into surgery and Skyler asks him about his cell phone. Of course Skyler is STILL skeptical and more so when Walt answers "which one". BUT, his son comes to Walt's rescue and tries to cover the mistake on Walts part. Do you suppose the son has some inclination that Dad has some secrets but doesn't bring it out in the open and trying to save good ole' Dad?
And remember, something broke Walt's windshield so possibly any visitor coming up the drive way was hit too. Maybe someone like Gus or people Gus hired to take out Walt thinking he is a Narc for DEA!? Oh many a possibility and so great the time to ponder.
Lindas555: You are right on about Flynn covering for Walt and suspecting that something more is going on.
I think people are reading too much into the planes crashing. As Vince Gilligan has said, it's just to show how far reaching Walt's bad behavior has been to the world around him.
Great call, DepraveDave on the hidden code through the episode titles!!
I felt like we only saw half of the episode. As if this was shot in a 2-hour format, and they only gave us the first hour, and the second hour will be the opener for Season 3. I don't think we've seen anywhere near all of the plane crash.
To see a great movie on what it would seem like to be in a plane crash check out Fearless with Jeff Bridges, Rosie Perez and John Turturro. It's pretty harrowing.
bigfreakinnaz I agree with you about Skyler - I think she wants to head straight into the arms of Ted. What married woman with a newborn leaves her husband? That was pretty extreme behavior on Skyler's part, no matter what her suspicions about where the money came from. C'mon......I think she's been mulling about Ted and leaving Walt for a while, and this gave her the exit door. I think Skyler has wanted out since she went to work for Ted. That whispering in Walt's ear during the confrontation was kind of creepy. There is kind of a creepy side to Skyler's behavior sometimes, almost like she's lost it (maybe she has). What's more problematic is what she tells Hank and Marie.
It's funny that Skyler is obviously sure whatever Walt has done is illegal and she doesn't want to know, yet she forces Ted to confess his illegal activities? Not quite sure why the difference between the two.
I certainly cried along with Jesse. That was so heartbreaking, and I just knew he would blame himself. Jesse has never had much emotionally in his life, and even Walt looked broke up when Jesse was crying in the shooting gallery. At the rehab retreat, Jesse looked like a completely broken soul. As bad as Donald, who was in complete shock and couldn't believe that the story of his girl had come to an end. That was painful to watch, too. It actually seemed more realistic that there was no physical or verbal confrontation between Donald and Jesse. When a person has been utterly levelled, they're usually speechless.
What happens to an air traffic controller when they've made an error like Donald has? I am asking because I don't know. Just curious.
Walt's surgery brought back bad memories. That last big chunk they removed was a lobe portion of his lung, I think, not a tumor - even though they did remove two little pea-sized tumors. I think they had said he was having some tumors removed and a lobectomy (my mother had the same kind of surgery on each lung). I think your lung is divided into lobes (3?), and they can remove a lobe at a time.
I think the reason Walt got rid of the spare tire from his Aztek was that he needed a good place to stash the mountain of cash he'd gotten from the Gus deal, until Skyler and Flynn were out of the house and he could hide it discreetly.
I found the explanation for the "explosion" rather random and too much of a coincidence, especially on top of the coincidental meeting of Walt and Donald on the night of Jane's death. Still, I'll be there with bells on to watch next season's premiere.
MINDoverFAITH: it's not exactly that the writers left me hanging wanting more -- I don't really want to see more, I've seen enough.
Come on, the airplane scene was ridiculous, it just stripped the show off any credibility whatsoever. I wasn't particularly picky about some other mishaps, like jumpstarting the RV by cranking an alternator (anybody with even the most basic background in high school physics knows that's completely impossible) -- but it was OK, it didn't interfere with the substance of the show too much. The plane crash is a completely different story.
There's obviously more than just the planes.
After the great opening scenes with Jesse, his character became pretty much undeveloped. We suspect that at least few weeks passed between Walt seeing Jesse in the rehab for the last time, and the crash scene -- but there's no mentioning of Jesse! It left me asking myself like WTF?
The scene with new donations coming to Walt Jr. website was stretched far too much. It also lead nowhere. What happened after the TV interview?
There was no buildup for Sky's decision to leave Walt -- what she did also somehow popped out of the blue.
That's all I can think of now -- but, seriously, after all the terrific job the writers did in the previous episodes of this season, the finale plain sucked.
Bitche....not a bad idea that Gretchen and her husband might have been on that plane. Their death could leave Walt some big dollars that could explain paying in full for the surgery to skyler...that is when Skyler is willing to listen to what Walt will tell her.
Do you think Walt will tell Skyler the real truth OR partially the truth, just enough to cover the use of the second cell phone?
This is the finest dramatic work of art I have ever seen. Be it films, theatre, or television, this is the most spectacular entertainment to date. If America needs to see what the failure of the War on Drugs has caused, they need look no further than this show. Walt is the symbol of all unassuming people who have been seduced by the unregulated, uncontrolled universe of organized crime fuelled by drugs. But, it is not only a statement on a matter of policy and morality. It is also a detailed portait of a failing marriage. It is a commentary on the folly of youth. It is an expose of the sordid underbelly of addiction. It is a glimpse into corruption at every level. It is a terse and biting knock at the disarray of the American Health care system. It is an emotionally devastating dissection of the family unit from several different angles. It is another in a fine line of creative endeavors that has taken on the difficult task of satirizing suburban life and does so perfectly. It is all of these things and more. It is the most provocative, complex and rewarding show ever broadcast on television.
Several years ago, a horrid, melodramatic film called Crash won the Oscar for best picture. It attempted to connect various characters and situations together to make a statement about the struggle between races for equality and acceptance. Here drugs and the criminal underworld act as an initial catalyst for a deeply felt, artful exposition of the human soul in all of its complexity. Where Crash, Magnolia, Short Cuts, or American Beauty succeeded ( and let me add that Crash fails on every count to feel the least bit genuine), Breaking Bad triumphs.
But don't view this simply as a pastiche of events...see it as the unfolding of a solitary decision....to sell a hard drug to help sustain his family after his death. A dark means to an end. Every man, woman and child has made a decision like this. Perhaps we have had a child as a result of a night of impulsive passion, unfurling a lifetime of changes, all based on a moment we decided to keep removing articles of clothing. Perhaps we have lashed out in anger, and escaped into a self destructive pattern of behaviour. Walt, Skyler, Flynn, Hank, Jesse, Jane...the entire cast of characters is a prism of the human condition.
One knows when they have witnessed great art when it conjures up emotions that cause a person to pause and reflect, to see this painful mosaic of life and identify with those elements that ring true in your own life. And simultaneously, it is supreme entertainment.
I pray that come Emmy time, the Academy is willing to reward Season 2 for what it is...a watershed moment in television and art in general and do their part to ensure that the public knows of it.
I have no hesitation proclaiming Breaking Bad as a modern masterpiece, alongside M.A.S.H and All In The Family as the best this or any genre has to offer.
First: The FAA would never let a camera crew film in a real control room (hey, can we film a show of two planes crashing due to controller negligence?), as people are already too nervous when it comes to flying. Thus, the control room and equipment were all bogus. Second: if the controller's screen had been real, all sorts of alarms would have gone off, including warnings sent to the pilots telling them which way to pull their sticks in an emergency maneuver. Albuquerque may not be an international airport, but you'd think they'd have better equipment!?
A brave man dies just once, but a coward dies a thousand deaths. Walt should have been brave and taken his cancer death sentence like a man, instead a thousand others will have died by the time he's through. I thought the ending was too far-fetched.
Another thing that leaves me hanging..what happened to the RV where they made the meth?
I have a feeling Gus, now knowing about Walt and his health problems with cancer, will squeeze and squeeze Walt for more meth and if Walt refuses, Gus will threaten him with the possible blackmail of telling Hank. Did anyone see the look on Gus's face when he saw Walt's dontation jar???? Priceless and still keeping a straight face without any emotional gesture while talking with Hank. Now that is one good poker face man!
I KNEW James26 was right! And I agreed with him with the bear falling from the debris of the plane crash into the pool. So to all you naysayers James26 is the one and only true prophet!
Guess we'll have to wait 'till next season though to see where those bodies came from. I'm pretty sure those are just some of the bodies that were in the plane, or what's left of them. Also pretty sure an object or body hits Walt's car hence the broken windows all around. Boy I am so glad Skyler, the baby, and Walt Jr. are alright. Just hopefully none of that plane lands on them! And oh man, can't wait to see what Gus' reaction to finding out Walt's brother-in-law is in the DEA will be. Man oh man next season is going to be GOOD.
Well, the season finale wasn't what i expected, but i don't think it was disappointing. It was just laid back is all. It's too bad that Jesse's all butthurt and useless, but like he said , he 'deserves' everything that happens to him , for being a drug dealer not to mention messing with heroin.
I didn't really buy Walt being all fatherly towards Jesse, it seems they don't even really like each other, but i guess it's guilt over letting Jane die .
About the writing getting too 'magical' with the plane crash, yeah maybe, but not a lot about the whole show is realistic to begin with, and i think they were trying to make a point that all things are connected. When you peddle poison you bring down society as a whole.
Not to mention, damn, what do you think Walt's reaction will be when he finds out he was indirectly responsible for all those deaths?! The thing I think that is going to weigh on him the most is that there were children aboard those planes, hence the pink stuffed animal. He is never going to be able to look at his daughter the same way again I bet.
I was very disappointed that the people in the two body bags weren't regular characters. Does Walt even know that he caused the plane crash? It was very anti-climatic after the huge season long buildup...I definitely thought there would be something more with the cartel.
Amen dmallet...well written summary of this series. Vince Gilligan is a genius to get this series out on AMC and get the emotions all stirred up and people really seeing the world for what it has become.
Another item...What is Flynn going to do when he finds out Walt has already paid for his surgery and he has all the donation money to put towards the bill???? Flynn is going to wonder where dad paid for his surgery.
Bitchie, you mentioned: "during Walt's surgery, they first remove two (relatively) small tumors, two lonely little blips on the radar, and then BANG, they toss the BIG OL' TUMOR, the huge Cancer from which the small ones either evolved or just part of."
My roommate is a physician and she said they probably removed an entire lobe of the affected lung (might be "effect"--I always get them mixed up).
I still think the two body bags are passengers that fell out of the sky--geez how awful! I hate to bring this up, but remember 9/11? But maybe Skyler isn't going to Hank and Marie's. Maybe she's going to Ted . . .
AND YES, AARON PAUL SHOULD GET THAT EMMY!! He's been so fabulous. He said in a clip that he hopes Jesse goes all the way down the tubes because it'll be "fun" to play. God, man, have a heart. I don't think the rest of us can take that. And I hope he gets better movie offers than horror flicks--did anyone notice the coincidental character names? In Last House on the Left he played a character named Francis, and of course we had a Francis on Malcolm in the Middle.
I know we have some unhappy viewers here regarding the season finale, but I thought it was wonderful. Surviving till next season will be just the pits.
exactly, anything fictional is far-fetched. Otherwise episode one would have been the end of the season. I mean, a chemistry teacher gets cancer with a baby due, so happens his Bro in law is DEA but decides to cook meth with one of his former student he runs into on an out of the blue ride along. To me, the ending of season two is no more far-fetched than how the series began. If aliens abducted jesse or walt gained super powers from the chemicals yeah sure, far-fetched and pointless would be valid.
Great episode and season. BB rocks!!! Hey fulminated mercury, Walt took the spare tire out and got rid of it because he was going to the hospital for the delivery of the baby and needed to cover his tracks as to why he wasnt there. Of course he was doing the meth deal remember.
SOOOO DISAPPOINTED! The best thing about this episode was Walts new goatee. Skylar could get killed in a car crash and the show wouldn't lose a step.
I'm more interested in the concept that Walt/Jesse have cornered the meth market and are out of meth. Walt should let Saul take Jesse out with the Cleaner and live the remainder of his life never being discovered.
Gus having involvement with the DEA is an interesting plot twist aswell. Knowing that Walt is close to the DEA and Gus not being the type to get too close to the line he may want Walt "taken care of."
The ending to this episode was terrible. To build up the whole season with this huge "crime scene" type of setup at Walt's house only to be debris from a plane crash was simply the worst idea and whoever wrote that part should be fired.
15 minutes of this episode were intriguing, sadly the other 30 were a waste of time. Please do not continue to destroy, what started off as a phenomenally ground breaking show, in the next season.
I've always thought of myself as observant to detail, but the powers displayed by people posting on this thread (and previous ones) truly amazes me.
I agree the mid-air collision seemed contrived and gratuitous. It really doesn't follow from the plot, and is a let-down as 'the answer' to the on-going 'pink teddy bear in the pool' motif. All I can hope is that is plays substantially in the storyline for Season 3. Otherwise, its just nonsense.
Possible victims of the crash? Well, Gus seems to be the type who would have to travel a lot around the Southwest to manage his business. But with his wealth (both declared and undeclared) I would think he might have a private pilot's license and plane. Same with Gretchen and her husband, but I'm thinking Lear Jet.
Hank, Marie, Skylar: Nah. They weren't leaving town for the weekend.
Jesse's folks? Walt's mom? Saul? Perhaps, but not germaine to the main arc of the storyline.
I agree with whomever above who said it needs to evolve into a mechanism to bring Walt closer to his fate foreshadowed in "Negro y Azul" in the narcocarillo song. The Mexican cartel and Walt have a date. They just need an introduction.
Regarding the impending separation of Walt and Skyler, I think Skyler will use Walt's lies as an excuse to fall into the arms of Ted Beneke, illustrating in the end that Walt did the wrong things for the right reasons, but Skyler, while responding appropriately, did so for the wrong reasons. Then again, she is doing the same thing as Walt when it comes to helping Ted manipulate the books. The wrong thing (fraud) for the right reason (to save jobs and Ted's company).
In the end who is right, who is wrong?
IMO, The message of this show is NOT that everyone is a criminal, but rather, that best people, with the best intentions can do the worst things. In the end, even with all those good people doing things for good reasons, everything still goes to hell. People underestimate the far reaching consequences of rationalizing a bad action for a good reason.
I figured Walt grew his goatee to alter his looks (though he won't give up the bald pate) after being splashed all over the internet, papers, and tv. He's gotta do something, he's not exactly anonymous.
Which will compel Gus to dump Walt out of the lower rung of his drug empire, I think.
That "we" : this board figured out the 737 down over Abq did take a bit of the edge off of the very end, but still it was interesting. I'm still too amped to write much, still reading all of the other posts.
One thing that did strike me was that Walt called Jesse 'Son' at the shooting gallery. And Jesse broke down in Walt arms in a way that only a son could do with a father. It had me crying for and with him. Not at all something that I expected from this episode. And then a few minute later I'm laughing hysterically at so many other things. The Ding of the Computer for each donation being the same Ding that Tuco's Tio made. Each Ding took a little more out of Walt each time, in both contexts. And I still haven't heard everything Gus had to say at the DEA office. Laughing too hard each time. It is so much fun to see Hank not getting it when all of the major players are under his nose.
Laid back? Dissapointed? Were we watching the same show??? I was on the edge of my seat the entire show! (and standing in front front of the TV in some parts)
Kudos! One of the best season finales I have ever watched!
They finally answered the question of where the pink bear came from, but that answer only creates much bigger questions! Brilliant job guys, but how do you expect me to wait until 2010 for the answers!??? You put a nice bow on the last season, wrapping things up nicely, while leaving the potential for lots of exciting things in the future. I assume you had to "sort of" wrap things up because season 2 had not been approved yet? I can only expect that the reason you left so many open questions hanging this time, is that season 3 has already been approved?
I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!
BTW, when can I expect the Season 2 DVDs to hit Netflix?
Also, I love the soundtrack in season 2 just as much as I did in Season 1! When do you plan to release the Breaking Bad OST CD?
Ramdom Thought for next season: Jesse won't be living back at "Jane's House" Because of the Memories, and Donald will likely kick him out.
Walt may not be living at home... At least not for a while. Will they end up sharing an apartment? A good Odd Couple storyline there that could end up tearing down their Father-Son relationship.
A bit more on the meth passing in urine. Crystal Meth does pass through in the urine unchanged. If you go to a Rave, or other parties where lots of people are tweeking, there are sometimes folks who don't have the bucks to buy their own, who are willing to take it freshly recycled. Good way to OD on it as you don't have much control over what dose you are getting that way.
Bald50: Truly disgusting commentary. Thank you for that (funny, but disgusting).
With Jesse needing new digs and now being flush with cash, he could buy his aunt's house outright from his asshole parents. Plenty of room for Walt to crash and they wouldn't have to pay storage fees for the R.V. (although having it in a separate locale does have its legal advantages).
Season 2 was bad as fuck from start to finish. You guys are crazy! LOL. I have a feeling season 3 will be more of the same if not better! I thougt the finale was dope as hell but hey, I guess everybody has different tastes. What can ya do?
Well all the clues are there for Hank when he gets the reports about whose the capable cook in town for that quality. What happens when Skye starts blabbing about why they are breaking up to Hanks old lady? Can Hank add 2 n 2? The walls are closing in on the Prof !!!
By jamm54 on June 1, 2009 4:04 AM
Skyler has a tough choice to make: Mr. Meth Cooker or Mr. Tax Fraud. As the old American Express commercials used to say, What WILL she do?!
Hilarious.
By jamm54 on June 1, 2009 4:14 AM
Which will compel Gus to dump Walt out of the lower rung of his drug empire, I think.
I don't think that will happen, not with the primo product that Walt is able to produce. I can see him though having Walt kidnapped and duct taped up, thrown in a van and taken to a dark warehouse or basement somewhere and questioned by Gus as to why the hell he didn't tell him his brother-in-law works for the DEA.
By Bald 50 on June 1, 2009 4:17 AM
One thing that did strike me was that Walt called Jesse 'Son' at the shooting gallery. And Jesse broke down in Walt arms in a way that only a son could do with a father.
Yeah i liked that part too.
It is so much fun to see Hank not getting it when all of the major players are under his nose.
Yep.
By Fulminated Mercury on June 1, 2009 4:21 AM
Laid back? Dissapointed? Were we watching the same show??? I was on the edge of my seat the entire show! (and standing in front front of the TV in some parts)
Kudos! One of the best season finales I have ever watched!
Yep. I agree dude. LOL.
By drhenry66 on June 1, 2009 4:43 AM
Bald50: Truly disgusting commentary. Thank you for that (funny, but disgusting).
I agree, that was pretty nasty Baldy. Jeez, I actually envisioned someone drinking another persons piss, eww. LOL.
"There was no buildup for Sky's decision to leave Walt -- what she did also somehow popped out of the blue."
Did you notice what she asked the doctors during the post-surgery meeting? She asked them if Walt was capable of living independently. I knew right then she was planning to leave Walt.
Dependent what Sky tell her sister. Hank should be able to piece it together. But how much will Marie tell Hank anyway.
Skylar probably thinks Gretchen is lying about not having a affair with Walt.
But can she sell out Walt about the money and not say what she knows about Ted?
I can see Hank and Walt almost bonding closer, with a common enemys ... their wife's ;)
Now Gus may see the goose that lays the golden egg with Hank being Walt's bro-in-law. As much as Hank likes to blab, If Hank and Walt get tighter , Walt can pump him for all kinds of info.
Bald50 , thanks for that tasty tidbit of information about the urine. ;)
So Davies wrote: ‘This leaves me in the pink’.
Then scrawled his name: ‘Your loving sweetheart, Willie’.
With crosses for a hug. He’d had a drink
Of rum and tea; and, though the barn was chilly,
For once his blood ran warm; he had pay to spend.
Winter was passing; soon the year would mend.
But he couldn’t sleep that night; stiff in the dark
He groaned and thought of Sundays at the farm,
And how he’d go as cheerful as a lark
In his best suit, to wander arm in arm
With brown-eyed Gwen, and whisper in her ear
The simple, silly things she liked to hear.
And then he thought: to-morrow night we trudge
Up to the trenches, and my boots are rotten.
Five miles of stodgy clay and freezing sludge,
And everything but wretchedness forgotten.
To-night he’s in the pink; but soon he’ll die.
And still the war goes on—he don’t know why.
That was a poem written by siegfried sassoon, i thought it fit well.
Awesome season finale, can't wait till next season:)
Almost two hundred fifty comments already. I haven't read any yet, just want to get my thoughts out.
Still my favorite show, but I was expecting much more of a different type of cliffhanger to end it. Not surprised that Donald was an air traffic controller and that there was a plane issue. It has been talked about at great lengths based on the name of the show and some of you had much of it almost dead on. But what surprises me and I keep thinking it over, did he actually intentionally steer those two planes together on purpose? All that air traffic controller lingo and he obviously knows what he was doing. He also has been around long enough to be a trainer, so he should not have made a mistake like that. Was it intentional? Was he getting back at the cruel world for taking his daughter? He really seemed to choke up when he said "Jane" during his directing but he seemed to move on. Second question, if any of you who think he intentionally dropped the two birds over the Albuquerque sky on purpose, do you think he was targeting anything in particular. I am not saying Walt because he'd have no reason to go for Walt and really has nothing more than a conversation with him at that bar behind them. But I mean more like, was there something in that area that may have set him offf. I am thinking it was coincidence. But if anybody was good enough to steer these planes to a certain location, Don would be good enough.
The extended opening sequence showed the two black plumes of smoke a few blocks from Walt's house. So the teddybear thing came from the plane and his car (which must have got moved from the other sdie of the driveway at some point) is stil shattered from all the pressue. I knew his house wouldn't take a direct hit.
My afterthoughts were that Skyler and Holly may have been on the plane but then I realized they were going to Marie's house for a while. She only planned on being gone for a few days and Hank was going to move Walt out. I had another thought and I apologize if it has been said before on this thread. Again, I haven't read teh other posts. I am wondering if Mother White (Walt's mom) who he is estranged from and had just found out about the cancer and Holly, whether she was flying in to surprise her son and see the family. How Ironic that that pink toy would end up in the pool right under Walt's feet. Perhaps that pink toy belonged to Walt as a boy and she was passing it on to his child. That doesn't seem likely since he was a boy and it is pink, but anything is possible. It could just be a sign that she is crazy or out of touch with her son and his then dreams for the future and that is why they have the relationship that they do.
I am thinkng now that the bodies in those bags may be people from the plane. How insane would that be if he found his mother in the mess. The good news is we don't think it is anybody we know from the show. Sure, it could be Walt's mother, but better her than a cast member.
I think Walt wants a chance to tell Skyler a story to win her back. My wife pointed who she could see it in Walt's face that he was going apeshit over Walt Jr getting credit for the donations. His hard earned money being passed off as his son's website getting so many donations for Walt. he wants to tell Skyler, but I think it would be a huge mistake to tell her the truth. Not just the truth about th cooking meth, but the truth about killing those people along the way. He better not.
Gus.... you sly dog. This guy is on the inside as a community contributor. Getting a tour of one of his biggest enemies and an update on what they are doing.... priceless. This guy is VERY intelligent and very street smart. I am mixed on how he is going to deal with this situation. I don't think he will be mad at Walt. I don't think he thinks Walt is working on the inside. I do think he will send a "message" to Walt that he better keep his mouth shut having Hank in the DEA. I think that will come into play but everything will be OK between Walt and Gus. God, I cannot get over how smart Gus is. But you know what, looking at that map of where the Blue stuff is popping up, one might conclude that each of those areas are in areas near his chicken chain units. They are acting as distribution centers. I don't think Hank will catch onto this, even though he put together the pretty chart.
Lastly, and this should be fairly obvious to everyone. You can tell that the last 15 minutes of the show (give or take) were filmed after they found out they were getting a third season. Between the going under for the operation and Walt, Skyler, and the doctors discussing Walt's progress. They said 7 weeks had passed and Walt grew back his full facial hair. My wife read someplace that he wears it like that (I do too) and that he shaves it for his acting jobs. At least he got to keep the mustache for BB. Anyway, think they made a decision to find out if they would be renewed and if they were, it ended like it did. If it ended with season 2, the show would have had an entirely different ending. Perhpas Walt would have died with the risky surgery and Jesse would have killed himself at the Serenity retreat. Who knows, but it is pretty obvious to me they left it so they could make the appropriate ending for us depending on whether they got renewed or not. In a way I am glad they did, so they could give us a proper ending if it was cut short, but on the other hand it kind of speaks of bad writing in a way. I wouldn't have just wanted it to end the series with Walt dying in surgery.
But, the good news is that we get to find out what happens. In my opinioin, this wasn't much of a cliffhanger. Sure, we will find out more about the plane crash in the sky and the pink toy. We will find out what he tells Skyler, and it better not be the real truth, and I think Jesse will come around and be back on his feet after getting over Jane. No matter what, "Saul has your money, he is holding it for you."
I had it so built up in my mind that it was going to be a big cliffhanger. I am sort of glad it went more like this. Not sure why they podcasts or whatever said that we wouldn't find out much about the opening sequence this season. Hello, we know it was a plane crash in the sky overhead and that is what set this off. That is more than they had me believing we were going to find out.
Congrats to all of you who saw this coming! And kudos for everyone who has spotted the great color symbolism/imagery with the blue/sky and then all the pink in the episode. I mean, this is the first time that we've seen Walter in something other than green/yellow/tan.
I couldn't decide about Skyler for the longest time, but this episode finally made up my mind. I do not like her and I cannot identify with her decisions. My jaw was on the floor when she left. Walter did all of this for her--for their family, for her very survival. And she cannot even wait for an answer. An affair? Look in the mirror darling!
I've decided that one of the big themes of this show is that everyone is a criminal or at least has the capacity to be a criminal--or at least morally wrong. Marie shoplifts, Skyler has inappropriate relations with her boss, she smokes while pregnant, and Walter makes meth. Everybody does bad things. Skyler should not act so innocent. Perhaps instead of examining Walt's behavior, she should examine her own.
I think Jesse and Walter came full circle in their relationship. It started out Walter needing Jesse. Now Jesse needs Walter. That scene in the horrible house was the emotional high-point of the episode.
you wouldnt drink the urine you would filler it through a coffee filter, the crank would stay on the filter and when it dried you could do what you wanted with it, how ever it's pretty fuckin' gross.
yeah so where is Skylar gonna be that she cant pick up Walt Jr. from school?
And why is a plane crash so out of the blue? It happens. It just happen in New Jersey just recently didnt it? And it's happen in New Mexico countless times just google it ,plane crashes over NM. It's really unbeliveable how many times planes have gone down right outside of ABQ.
Someone mentioned the yellow dress remark and how Jesse's bed had those bright yellow sheets. I remember someone mentioned when we first seen Jesse's bed that Jesse must like yellow.
Jesse pounding on Jane's stiff body was so horriffic, just hinking about it makes me wanna throw up.
Good job to Depraved Dave! I must admit I was disappointed with the season finale. It just felt like it was lacking, especially the ending. I can't believe Skylar finally figured it out!! She's a slow one, but when she figured it out she left Walt speechless.
However, besides the finale, the season overall was one of the best seasons of t.v. I've seen in a long time. The best episodes were "737" & "Grilled", hands down. Aaron Paul, Bryan Cranston, & Raymond Cruz need some serious recognition.
9-10 months is a long wait, but at least I have Mad Men to fill the void for a few months.
The scene, where Donald was picking Jane's cloths for the funeral,one of the walls had a drawing, that drawing had a pink bear falling from the sky (sort of) and a girl (dead maybe?), another hidden message foreshadowing the ending..
Hi everyone,
last night pisode was very weird. not sure i liked it too much. Again my problem is with probabilities. what are the odds that Jane father is responsible for the crash of 2 planes above Walt's house, and that some debris, including two bodies and a teddy bear, fall on walt's car and swimming pool?
that being said the crash scene was inbelievable...
i hope 3rd season will take this event into the story arc in a believable way...
that being said what are the odds that a tv series show a plane crash at 10.58 eastern time and that at precisely the same time a plane disappears (air france planeA330 rio-paris)
that is probably even weirder...
What about the glasses?? they look too similar to Walt's...
here is my prediction - Walt fakes his won death (The narcocorrido, anyone?), but he keeps cooking meth and gives the money to Skyler with the excuse that the money if from Walt's life insurance.
Skyler gets re-married with Ted, then a Very angry Walt "come back" from the death to confront them...
that will lead to Hank discovering Walt is the "Blur-Crystal" guy...
To Protect himself, Gus will kill Hank..
Jesse will kill himself, but before that he returns to his family and makes peace with them.
The Mexican Cartel will get involve, They kill Gus.. leaving Walt in charge.- End of season 3
I'm not so sure about the idea somebody had of Donald being involved in the getting of Gus' drugs onto planes destined for the surrounding states (and having them hidden in stuffed animals nonetheless!), and him intentionally making them collide in midair as some sort of payback for Jane's death. He would be in the deepest shit he could ever imagine, what with the catastrophic loss of life and aircraft costing millions of dollars. Plus, didn't any of his fellow ATC's see that a mid-air collision was about to take place on their radars and equipment and stuff? Where were Donald's supervisors during all this?
I'm sorry, but it was an overall tacky ending all the way around.
I still don't know just how to feel about the episode...I had it all wrong...I thought gas explosion in the house all along...Skyler woud be dead...congrats to those mid air collisioners...anyway...about gus knowing about Walter being hanks Brother inlaw...Gus won't suspect him of of being DEA...because the DEA does not supply half the southwest with the best meth around...maybe he will think that hank is in on it...I don't know...I guess I should drop out of the prediction business...it was fun while it lasted...someone mentioned that possibly Walts mother could have been on one of the planes coming to visit him after learning about his cancer...and another thing... about Skyler...and how she acted and leaving and all...I think it is a valid reaction...after all...we know all sides...she knows nothing...but she knows it's not good....
Did anyone else notice Donald placing the arms of Jane's burial dress so they were spread out, and in the very next shot, we see Holly in the exact same position? Beautiful.
I also noticed the colors in this episode, Skyler wearing blue like Jane's dress, the pink, and also, the use of green...Walt wearing green in the hospital and Jesse wearing green at the rehab center, as though green represented sickness in this episode.
Although I was hoping for a more exciting final few minutes, I think the ending with the fire raining down on Walt is a stunning show of symbolism, and I give the writers a lot of credit. It shows the judgment from God raining down on him, etc...loved it.
I think it's interesting to consider the idea that Donald "allowed" the planes to collide. They showed them moving closer on the radar, and Donald seemed to just sit and watch it happen. Very odd.
I kept looking at the clock, wondering when the opening was going to be resolved (not knowing the acronym on the van in the opening). I didn't feel cheated by the ending--I felt relieved that none of the main characters had been killed (though obviously it's tragic that people died).
Even though Walt's ball of lies appear to have caught up with him, he still has room to move. He doesn't have to tell Skyler the truth at this point--there could still be a lover with lots of money. It would explain the money, the two cell phones, and the disappearance--and it'd be more forgivable than becoming a meth kingpin (look at how Skyler reacted when she thought he was using pot--remember her showdown with Jesse?). Also, Skyler herself has been flirting with another man.
Great show, great episode--it must be so rewarding to write this show and watch the actors and crew bring it to life.
Thanks to all of you for providing me with as much entertainment as the show provided. This is a wonderful forum. Even if I could have lived without the knowledge that meth can be recycled so to speak, even after one has pissed it out. BLECHH!!!!!!!!! DISGUSTING!!!!!! So who has enough computer savvy to start a new forum involving different shows. Perhaps, like with a book club we could have a forum involving different shows. I noticed that there are a lot of people here with the same tastes. If one of these forums could be started, who knows, it may do better in keeping good shows on the air than the Nielsens. I'm pretty bummed that the Riches and Pushing Daisies were canceled. I don't know if you all know the story about how the Harry Potter series came to be the extreme success that it is. It was entirely due to small Independent booksellers. Not the big one's like Barne's and Noble. The book had been out for awhile with little notice. The independents did all of the publicity of actually reading the book for one, and organizing kids reading groups and activities. They not only got the kids involved but developed adult reading groups too. Though I like SOME reality tv, I'm getting very tired of the drivel that is out there. I think the networks really should start putting out some actual artwork in programing. Do we really need another Flav or New York show? That dweeb from Poisin, with not half the talent of true rock bands like Slipknot and Gwar! The Hills? What the hell is that? If I had a kid watching that shit I think I would get rid of their TV or slit their throats to put them out of my misery! If I'm going to watch something disgusting and evil, I at least want it to be a thoughful and a well acted disgusting and evil! We should start an independent save the TV club!!!! Here we all are bummin about what are we going to do once this show is over and the lack of good things out there. Perhaps the answer would be to start an independent TV show website. The opposite of all those right wing christian ones. Just a thought.
People have a hard time with coincidence in the framework of a novel, motion picture, or television show. They reject it as "far-fetched", but what we call coincidence happens all the time in real life. "Occurence together apparently without reason" is how my dictionary defines it. Keep track of all the coincidences, large and small, that you notice in your life for a couple of weeks and you will have a long list. How many couples do you know who met "by sheer coincidence"? It is so common that we don't think much about it. Different events and actions are playing out all the time and it is natural that some actions will overlap and have effect on other actions, like the balls on a pool table bouncing off each other at the "break". When an action that you consider unrelated to your goal or purpose has an effect on what you're trying to do, whether that effect is "good" or "bad", or just makes you adapt to the new situation, you call it a "coincidence". It is not far-fetched at all.
Did anyone else notice the pink teddy bear painted into Jane's bedroom mural? It was in the scene where her father goes to the duplex to select suitable burial clothing for her. The bear was painted in the upper right corner, floating (or falling!) in the sky ... quite predominantly!
I was not at all disappointed in the finale. I love reading this forum how you guys pick up on all the little nuances that I missed - like the color themes and other symbolism in the artwork, etc. I'm just so into what is actually happening, I can't concentrate on anything else.
I think Gus did know Walt's BIL was in the DEA - didn't Saul know about it? I'm looking forward to seing more of Gus in season 3.
I bet someone important was on one of those planes, it will be interesting to find out who.
And why can't Skyler pick up Jr. from school? Why is Marie doing it? I wonder what she told them about why she and Walt are breaking up? She did get find a barrel of lies didn't she? Been saving up all that crap to dump on Walt at once! I think she's been wanting to leave him, and was just looking for a good excuse so she wouldn't look like the bad guy for leaving him after he got cancer. I think Walt doesn't care about her as much as he leads on. He does loves his children, but I think he can do without Skyer.
When she asked the Dr when Walt can be more independent, my husband said "She's leaving him!" He also called out that Gus was the contact when he came over to their table.
wow! 264 posts already! Like Skottey, I haven't had time to read many of them yet but will asap : ) I wanted to give my 2 cents worth on the finale. I think that we had it built up so much in our minds that it would have been almost impossible to meet all our expectations. It's the writers fault too though. They're the ones who write such brilliant shows each and every week. We've come to expect nothing short of excellence from them. In my opinion, they never disappoint. Some episodes are fast and furious, edge of your seat thrillers and other are slower more thought provoking. They all are part of the story arc though. I know some of you feel that the plane crash was a cop out and I understand how it could be perceived that way. However, I read creator Vince Gilligan's comments abour the debris from the plane crash falling into Walt's pool where he said :
"In my mind the wrath of God rained down on Walt's neighborhood."
That really put things into perspecftive for me. Every acvtion Walt has taken has had a ripple/domino effect. The plane crash was quite symbolic.
I know I will devoting my morning to reading these posts, but I did want to comment first.
The pink bear in the pool, the pink bear was also in the painting that Jane painted in her apt. It was in the upper corner.
Then Walt's pink sweater.
Did we think Jesse's rehab was kinda pink too?
I can't believe how observant you people are! I thought I was too, but I never noticed or even put together the colors and any intended meaning. And I watched the finale again, never saw the Teddy bear in Jane's murral...guess I just have to watch it one more time. (Amazon, video on demand, 1.99)
Okay, first of all congrats to Deprave Dave for figuring it out. 2nd of all the ending felt anti -climactic to me because of having an idea of how it might end. But that does leave open the endless possibilities. For instance, who are the two bodies in Walts driveway? Passengers on the plane? I don't think so. My reaon being is that if you saw the impact that a 1 pound teddy bear had when it crashed into Walts pool (The splash was 10 feet high as if a bowling ball landed into it, not a stuffed toy)
Then what would have happened to 2 bodies falling from the sky. Figuring their average weight was 150 pounds falling 90 feet per second from 1,500 feet in the air they would have been liquified upon impact and I didn't see any blood pooled on the ground. Of course they could have already been burnt to a crisp before hitting the ground too.
After watching the episode again this morning, those bodies under the sheets seemed to be pretty intact so I am going to say they were not passengers on the plane? Possibly innocent bystanders walking when the debris hit them?
Again, this is what is really bothering me....LOL
Skottey, Jamm54, Slygirl, Trublue8, Zia??
Do any of you have any thoughts on this. I always think you all have great insight and posts so if you can respond to my post I would appreciate it. Or anyone for that matter
These writers have kept us guessing all year long, and this season has been simply amazing. The best show I have seen hands down in a very long time.
Sigh...now comes the hard part. Knowing for the next 9 months I will have to wait to see what happens.....
Poor Walt, he got into this thinking he was going to die so he wanted to leave something for his family, now his family has left him. So many dead bodies in the wake of this too to now include all the passengers on the plane
The way Walt was sitting by the pool at the end reminded me of Michael Corleone at the end of Godfather II. He got what he wanted my making the big meth score, but had nothing left around him when it was all said and done.
They've said before that the colors in this show (and even the website colors) are very important. Traditionally, okay, when I've gone for an aura reading green was a growth color, and pink was a healing color, with deep blue/lavender as kind of evolving to the top on a soul awareness level (sorry for the New Age speak). Someone else pointed out the pink bear in Jane's mural, too, and her bedspread. Interesting.
I thought Donald, besides being an ATC himself, was also a trainer/supervisor. Didn't he mention training people to Jane? So who would've been his superior? I would guess that in the next season Donald's fate could go either way. In the state of shock and grief that he's in, I would guess that after this air crash, he would eventually commit suicide. Anyone who has slogged through a decade of standing by his daughter and trying to save her only to lose the battle and then cause this horrific crash, isn't going to feel like he has much to live for in his emotional state.
Yeah, I think Skyler has been looking to escape for a while, the final straw was the revelation that the two cell phones still existed. She wants out regardless of whether Walt's dying or not. How could a wife with a newborn just up and walk away like that? Holly is only 7 weeks old. She sat silent through Walt's recuperation, and sure had it smoothly planned out. Boy, that's cold and extreme. But, I think she wants Tax Fraud Ted or Meth Cooker Walt.
Now Walt has lost his daughter. Alot of losses in this episode: Walt his whole family and reason for living; Donald and his daughter and reason to live; Jesse losing the one person he's ever loved and losing his will to live. Very, very sad.
Hey boop when the new MadMen season begins in August, give everybody my best over there, will you? I probably won't be going back there again - got into it with a poster trying to defend a 15 year old girl new to the forum who was under personal attack over her identity. This poster has kind of taken over the forum, and has followers. But say hi to all the regulars. Thanks, jamm.
Trueblu8, I agree with you and what's more, she talks down to Walt all the time, has some sort of air of disapproval about her...annoying. You know what I'd like to see? Her cooking the books and getting into some despair over her own choices...she'll just topple right off that pedistal.
To those above that thinks’ Skyler is a complete shrew I agree. I think Walt needs to bang her a little harder and make her respect the fact that he is taking care of business. After all, what, she prefers that he be dead then having some clandestine money making scheme. The scarry part about it is that DEA bother-in-law will be informed and may put the pieces together. Skyler may be responsible for the legal demise of Walt which in my humble opinion is much more morally ambiguous than what Walt is doing.
I hate to say it, and though outside the scope of this episode, the son sometimes scratch’s the chalk board too. The episode where Walt was trying to teach him to drive I just wanted to reach through the screen and strangle the kid. He acted more stoned that handicapped.
Hi RCH2288....Great post! To answer your question about the bodybags I read creator Vince Giligan's Q & A session and cut and paste his answer below.I hope this helps! I really wish the finale had been a two hour special. There are so many queations left unanswered....what will happen with Walt and Skylar's relationship? What will Gus do now that he knows that Walt's brother in law is a DEA agent? How will Donald deal with the grief of his daughter? Will poor Jesse get clean and make it through his heartbreak over losing Jane? Thank God there is a season 3! Anyway, Here's Vince Gilliga's post regarding the bodybags : )
Vince Gilligan "So it would follow that the body bags being zipped up are also what's left of folks who've fallen to Earth. If you look closely, those body bags are pretty empty. We can only assume they're little bits and pieces, and stuff better left to the imagination."
My husband's theory about the bear in the painting and then in the pool is that perhaps Jane's mom was on the plane that crashed. Who knows? Maybe she was flying home after the funeral. There is a lot of correlation with loss in this episode. Maybe Jane had the bear in her duplex the entire time and mom took it with her as a memento of her daughter. Can't wait to find out what's next in season 3!!
“I would guess that in the next season Donald's fate could go either way. In the state of shock and grief that he's in, I would guess that after this air crash, he would eventually commit suicide.”
Jamm54, I hope not. I think more he is going to make it his mission to cause Jesse and in extension Walt, as much grief as possible. A nemesis, heroic vigilantly villain sort of speak.
“How could a wife with a newborn just up and walk away like that?”
In my limited experience Women do strange things after birth giving due to hormones and emotional states.
oh i forgot....the bell that dings on walt jrs website when someone makes a donation...........sound familiar?...........sounds just like the bell on senior Tuco`s wheel chair......anyone notice that?
hey you guys....sopmehow one of my posts got printed in the weekly "What You're Saying" section of our site and I won a BB hat! I am beyond excited! Do you guys know if the people that work on the show read our open thread posts and randomly pick winners or if there's a special place we go to enter these contests? I can't believe i won something! DepraveDave won too! Deprave Dave is having quite the week! First he figured out the code and the plane crash and then he wins a cool hat too : ) way to go Dave!
By the by, I tried to check out that Greymatter site a lot of you guys and gals go to, but I couldn't really figure it out. I am new at this posting stuff. I think i will just stay here with all my buddies. I miss the ones that have left us though. Pleaae don't forget about us over here Greymatter gang!
I had to watch this again. I just caught something at the very beginning of the scene of Hank briefing his troops about Combo.
As the scene fades in Hank is holding the donation jar with Walt's picture on it.
Behind the picture is the dry erase board with the tree of bad guys.
Walt's picture is held right in front of the top spot on the tree!
I swear I thought someone in the room would stick it up there and say "what do you think of this idea?"
"the bell that dings on walt jrs website when someone makes a donation...........sound familiar?...........sounds just like the bell on senior Tuco`s wheel chair......anyone notice that?"
Your right BrianM, I checked it out, believe it or not but it is the exact same sound. Except after the intial ding of the computer it does a cha-ching. I think the ding may represent danger.
Thanks for the cut and paste. I never like to read or watch the Q &A's because I don't want to get too much information. I guess Vince would be the authority on this so that answer will have to do. I still don't know how a 1 pound teddy bear would have the force of a missile landing in the pool though...LOL
In answer to your other question, I too had a post printed in the "What Your are Saying" Section a few weeks ago and I was given a Huge Breaking Bad Poster that I proudly have displayed in my garage. I think they are randomly selected as I did not enter anything..
The poster is Walt and Jesse sitting out in the desert by their RV. Big Stacks of cash sit under Walter and all the bags of the blue meth sit under Jesse. They are looking back and Walt has a gun in his hand and Jesse is holding a bat. Both are wearing their cook gear.
Sigh...I am already suffering from withdrawal now that this season has ended. Do you think I could check into a room at the Serenity Rehab with Jesse to get over my addiction. I would dig having the green robe and slippers and hanging out by the spa...LOL
Your right BrianM, I checked it out, believe it or not but it is the exact same sound. Except after the intial ding of the computer it does a cha-ching. I think the ding may represent danger.
thanks titus, i was wondering if anyone else had noticed it....
I'm kind of glad the season didn't end with a who shot JR type cliff hanger. At least I'll be able to breathe for the next few months, lol. That being said, Vince Gilligan did say that not much would be revealed in the finale. Take that for what it's worth. Someone touched already on the impact the pink bear made when it impacted. There's gonna be a lot more debris spread over a wide area. Wonder how far away Skyler and Holly were? Actually I don't think anybody is safe at this point. Not until the sky stops falling. Kind of smart when you think about it. The writers have their hiatus to pick and choose how to continue the story.
My only hope is that one of the two people in the body bags is Donnie Darko. That way we could go back and it would be like this horrible Season 2 finale never even happened....
I didn't realize my user name was going tie in with thh color theme of the show! It's kinda cool. I use this name on all the forums I belong to. I picked Pink because I'm fair and have pink cheeks, and 63 for my birth year.
RCH2288: I got one of those BB posters too! I'm trying to figure out where to hang it.
It's been great reading all these insightful, intelligent posts, I'm going to have to go with Jessie to rehab in the fake wigwam or whatever it was. In the meantime I'll be watching Mad Men, hope you see you guys over in that forum in August.
gesiquea said "My husband's theory about the bear in the painting and then in the pool is that perhaps Jane's mom was on the plane that crashed. Who knows? Maybe she was flying home after the funeral. There is a lot of correlation with loss in this episode. Maybe Jane had the bear in her duplex the entire time and mom took it with her as a memento of her daughter. Can't wait to find out what's next in season 3!!"
Sorry to blast your theory out of the sky, but keep in mind that Walt's surgery happened a number of days after Jane's death and then seven weeks passed before Skyler left Walt and then the planes crashed. Why would Jane's mom be leaving to go home eight or nine weeks after the funeral? That seems like an awful long time to hang out someplace after attending your kid's funeral.
I think that if anybody was on one of the planes related to the characters of the story at all it is Walt's estranged mom coming to reconcile their differences. Remember, Skyler called her to ask about the four day weekend there and the money, thinking she may have given him money. Skyler broke the news to her about the cancer. Perhaps Skyler also told Mother White she was going to leave Walt as well and she was coming to see her son. Just imagine if that was her pink toy she was bringing for Holly and it fell in front of Walt.
For those of you that think the plane crash is too far fetched. I too thought it was far fetched when a few people suggested a plane crash into Walt's house, but the fact that Donald is an air traffic controller and the planes crashed in mid-air makes total possible sense.
Nobody seemed to answer, who thinks Donald purposely crashed two planes to get back at the world for his daughter's death? Or do you think it was just an accident because he was stressed? I think he seemed to have it pretty together working, doing his job. I am leaning towards him doing it on purpose in a sick twisted way.
dragonsnowball said "My only hope is that one of the two people in the body bags is Donnie Darko. That way we could go back and it would be like this horrible Season 2 finale never even happened...."
I wouldn't say by any stretch this was a horrible episode. But am I the only one that picked up on the last 15 minutes of the show clearly being filmed at a later date after they found out whether they would be getting a third season or not?
Aside from Walt's facial hair, you can just tell that they had two endings planned. Had they not got a season 3, they could have ended it on Walt's death during surgery or right after and Jesse killing himself over Jane. But since they got a third season, they changed the last 15 minutes to what we saw. The ending filmed later started with the doctor's visit that takes place "seven weeks later."
Am I the only one that feels this way?
I would LOVE if they filmed the other ending and then changed it when they got a third season. I would love it if they included this on the DVD or Bluray of season 2. The alternate ending! You know they had it planned.
Incidentally, Donnie Darko is my favorite movie. I love it love it love it! Have seen it 50 times and still cannot make sense of it fully and catch something new every time I watch it. Great movie.
A few comments: That look on Walt's face as he's being videoed for his son's fundraising website was . . . priceless. As Walt, Jr. is extolling his father as a "hero", Walt sent his son an anguished sideways glance. Of course, in addition to the hypocracy, he *knows* that this kind of publicity is going to get him killed. And when Gus noticed the donate jar with Walter's picture, his face became unmasked with calculating dead-stare menace, just for a split second, before the smile got turned back on. Gus scares the living daylights out of me.
Interesting that the product is called "Blue Sky" and the last episode had dangerous debris falling from the blue sky.
We have not seen the last of Gretchen. And Saul has now infested the operation with all his underworld contacts. And Skyler is about to spill the beans. . . is there any character trajectories that are *not* spinning out of control. It seems that the only grounded, trustworthy, soul of humanity left is . . . Jesse. And that's saying something.
I think I need a room at Serenty Rehab too. I'm already feel my Breaking Bad withdrawls starting! It's going to be a looooong wait until next season. I hope the Season 2 DVD set comes out soon. does anyone know if the season 1 set had cool extras on it?
Could be Janes Mom on the plane, Pretty sure that must of been who Don was talking to on the phone when was looking for the yellow dress.
Would be highly unlikely.
You can tell when Don start slipping , instead of saying Juliett (ICAO Phonetics)... like he did before, he says Jane.. then he starts losing it.
Pretty good pitch with the bear as the Airport is appx. 7 miles from Walt's house
Did you notice the bear in the doc office when Skylar checked to see if it was ok to bail. It wasn't pink. But it was staring at Walt in his pink outfit
those druggies at the crash pad where Jesse was pulled from... down right scary.. glad they showed them.
Dude, why is everybody blaming Walt for the crash? It goes back too far for it to be his responsibility. It's like blaming the bartender who served alcohol to the drunk driver who crashed in somebody else's car for the accident. That guy's daughter was a wreck without any help from Walt. If anyone besides the actual air trafficker should be blamed, it's Jesse for getting the girl back on drugs.
I sort of get why Skylar wants to leave Walt but the fact that she has been flirting with Ted while Walt has cancer makes her pretty despicable. I hope she and Ted make it into a couple of body bags.
He crashed the planes on purpose. Told both planes to go to 1700 ft, intentionally giving them instructions that would cause the crash, he ignored the red circles on the radar which was a warning, and he ignored the text warning on the radar that read "conflict risk." He did nothing to prevent the crash what-so-ever. He was sweaty and nervous cause he knew exactly what he was doing... trying to kill some one.
Jane's mom was on the plane. Flying in for the funeral and she brought Jane's pink teddy bear with her for one of those little memorial displays that they do at the funeral home. He knew her flight cause he talked to her on the phone while picking out the dress.
Oh how spoiled we are. The show should have had 1 or 2 more episodes; Skylar caring for a baby and a vulnerable ill Walt alongside her shock producing phone calls. A glimpse of Gus making a decision about Walt. Jesse leading to his stay in rehab. The explosion would have come as a fitting end.
For those in ALB what/where is that beautiful round orange building? Please advise.
Did anyone see the next season..Br--in-law and Walt dressed in white-like a wedding? Was it a precursor for the lawyer
telling Walt he needed a Moll?
Also was it Walt Jr aka Flynn with a pal in masks? Flynn
breaking bad?
It really emphasised the "inteconnectedness" not only between the main characters but showing us, the viewers, "the bigger picture" as well. Our actions CAN, at times, cause ripple effects to everything around us that we may never imagine.
Truthfully--I'm actually looking forward to the seeing how they play out Gus.
At some point in season three, Gus walks up to Walt and tells him their relationship is off because he met Hank and it's not worth the risk to him or his own operation.
OR-----
Gus may let Walt KNOW that he is aware of Hank and Walt will face being blackmailed yet again, this time from a more powerful person.
And what of Walt? Sitting there in his backyard staring at the grass just before the explosion....
His wife takes his whole family, post-operation, and leaves him. Was it worth it?
Or maybe we were watching Heisenburg thinking of the multiple possibilities open to him now that the family is gone and he no longer has to hide all the time. (Skyler did ask the doctor specifically how soon Walt could be independant)
And THEN....there was the explosion and maybe THEN we saw Walt snap out of his funk and stand up, watching helplessly as innocent lives rained down on his neighborhood.
Hopefully the new season starts in January and not March
I forgot one other thing--
Should we assume that Skyler told Hank about how the treatments were totally paid off?
All one hundred thousand bucks on a teacher's salary?
Hank is going to walk over there and want some answers because he is sure as heck going to start suspecting SOMEthing. He can't help it. He has that John Wayne bravado attitude that he wears on his sleeve. It's in his blood.
zia said "Could be Janes Mom on the plane, Pretty sure that must of been who Don was talking to on the phone when was looking for the yellow dress."
Yes, it probably was Jane's mom he was talking to about the yellow dress but keep in mind the plane collision was over seven weeks after the funeral. Why would Jane's mom be going home eight weeks after the funeral?
Nate said "Jane's mom was on the plane. Flying in for the funeral and she brought Jane's pink teddy bear with her for one of those little memorial displays that they do at the funeral home. He knew her flight cause he talked to her on the phone while picking out the dress."
OK, I feel like a ghost here and nobody can read my posts. I feel like a broken record.
The funeral happened right before Walt's surgery. Fast forward SEVEN WEEKS AFTER THE SURGERY. Skyler leaves Walt and the planes collide.
Why would Jane's mother be flying in or out from the funeral seven or eight weeks after her death? Jane's mom was not on the plane. If she was, that would be a serious flaw of writing the story.
I hear you Skottey! You're right. I also can't imagine Janes' dad Donald causing a plane crash to kill his wife. He's greif stricken beyond words and accidentally said his daughter's name "Jane" instead of the proper code word "Juliet"...thus accidentally causing the planes to crash. I just can't imagine his character doing that on purpose. He seems like a very caring man.
tuttle300 said "I forgot one other thing--
Should we assume that Skyler told Hank about how the treatments were totally paid off?
All one hundred thousand bucks on a teacher's salary?
Hank is going to walk over there and want some answers because he is sure as heck going to start suspecting SOMEthing."
There are hundreds of thousands of ways to make money legally or illegally. Hank is a DEA agent. He isn't going to automatically think Walt got the money through drugs. He could have done any number of things legal or illegal.
If he questions him it will be more out of concern brother in law to brother in law, not drugs.
It could be something as innocent as winning a large sum of money at an Indian Casino or winning a lottery. Imagine winning $500K or something at an Indian Casino and keeping that from your spouse? I wouldn't dare, but it happens all the time. Especially when the marriage is already in trouble. Walt has had his suspicions about Skyler too. If I were Walt I would use the gambling addiction lie. I would tell her that I took out the loan (RV) for gambling money and the first time I won big but since I have been getting into trouble. "I was just trying to secure the future of you and the kids Skyler." Winning at an Indian Casino cannot be verified. So he went on a four day gambling binge while he was cooking with Jesse. And the time he ended up naked in the store, same thing.
Walt will come up with something. Whether he gets Skyler back or not, he will come up with something.
didn't think about that because I didn't sleep for #### last night ;).. BB post partum
it's the first time they really fast forwarded
kos I'm trying to find out about the orange building
there is a Serenity , but haven't found any pics to relate it too. I feel it's just some health spa.. not like rehab or something.
I feel pretty good about being able to figure out exactly where Walt's house was from the aerial shots. Had to resort to my skydiving days to reason it out. It wasn't easy.
Nate .. I think Don just finally lost it.. don't feel he did it with intent... he was so calm when he was first there and even when he went back to grab her stuff..... I couldn't believe he didn't didn't say anything or take a swing a Jesse... nothing.. like a drone...... I'd been bawling my eyes out if it had been my daughter.. and after Jesse... something !!
Slygirl08 said "I hear you Skottey! You're right. I also can't imagine Janes' dad Donald causing a plane crash to kill his wife. He's greif stricken beyond words and accidentally said his daughter's name "Jane" instead of the proper code word "Juliet"...thus accidentally causing the planes to crash. I just can't imagine his character doing that on purpose. He seems like a very caring man."
I actually think he may have caused the collision on purpose but not to kill Jane's mom. I think if he did, it was to get back at the cruel world that took his daughter from him. He actually got away with killing probably a few hundred people and can pass it off as an accident. They'll never prove it was intentional.
I have always hated how people who have a tragedy happen to them such as the death of a child or finding out they are dying of cancer, or a cheating spouse or whatever, taking out other people and then themselves. Why not just kill yourself? Why do people go shoot up a nursing home and then kill themselves? If I was in a position where I wanted to end my life, perhaps if my children were tortured and killed, I might go jump off a bridge and kill myself but I would never kill a bunch of people and then myself. But it happens all the time. In my local community a few years ago some douchebag walked into a Radioshack randomly and shot and killed a couple people and blinded and disabled one guy. The guy he blinded and disabled ended up on Extreme Home Makeover, incidentally. I see it as very cowardly and sick that somebody cannot just kill themselves, they need to take out as many people as they can first. It is totally believable that Don just pulled off a revenge on society by killing 200 people on two planes. But it wasn't to get at Jane's mother.
Skottey-
I don't think Donald meant to cause the crash, his slip-up seemed more based on grief than intention...but I DO think that once he realized the two planes were going to crash, he didn't care enough to stop it. Like I said, they clearly show the warnings on his screen, and based on that moment and the lack of sound (you don't hear him talking), he probably did absolutely nothing to stop it. I think his moment where he said "Jane" instead of "Juliet" made him "lose it", and he just made an insane decision to let the planes collide. So maybe it wasn't the initial plan, but he still let it happen. That's my opinion.
Why do people think someone involved in the show had to be on the plane? I feel like the writers never make it that easy. In my opinion, the whole thing was just supposed to be symbolic, representing all of the death and destruction Walt has caused. I doubt any characters were on it.
Skottey-
I don't think Donald meant to cause the crash, his slip-up seemed more based on grief than intention...but I DO think that once he realized the two planes were going to crash, he didn't care enough to stop it. Like I said, they clearly show the warnings on his screen, and based on that moment and the lack of sound (you don't hear him talking), he probably did absolutely nothing to stop it. I think his moment where he said "Jane" instead of "Juliet" made him "lose it", and he just made an insane decision to let the planes collide. So maybe it wasn't the initial plan, but he still let it happen. That's my opinion.
Why do people think someone involved in the show had to be on the plane? I feel like the writers never make it that easy. In my opinion, the whole thing was just supposed to be symbolic, representing all of the death and destruction Walt has caused. I doubt any characters were on it.
Oh my gosh people, the stuffed toy that fell in the pool was Walt's baby girls toy, Sky took her and the son and left....she's gone, the baby is gone and the son is gone by the hand of the father (the FAA controller) of the girl that Walt let die!!!!
This is the most intense ending to a series I have ever seen.....please bring the show back early for the new series
Oh my gosh people, the stuffed toy that fell in the pool was Walt's baby girls toy, Sky took her and the son and left....she's gone, the baby is gone and the son is gone by the hand of the father (the FAA controller) of the girl that Walt let die!!!!
This is the most intense ending to a series I have ever seen.....please bring the show back early for the new series
LOL! I can't believe I, and many others, were dead on about the plane crash. I even said "Maybe the pink bear falls from one of the planes". I didn't really believe that when I said it, I was just throwing it out there. But that turned out to be exactly it! Trueblu, thanks for backing me up, buddy!
I have to give credit to DepraveDave for cracking the "737 Down Over ABQ" code. And to the others who figured Donald would be an ATC. I think I was the first one to mention that the "737", "Down", and "Over" episodes were the ones to contain the pink bear scenes. WOW!!! What a finale...I have to say I wasn't very surprised or shocked, because I had already pretty much figured it out. If I didn't know anything about it, that would have definitely been a "holy shit" moment! When I first watched the episode, I thought Skyler and the baby were on the plane, but when I watched the replay I heard her say she was going to Hank and Marie's, which means she wouldn't be on an airplane. So is it just a random crash caused by Donald's grief and Walt's domino effect? I don't think any main characters will be killed off. I read the review of this episode, and the guy said basically the same thing as me. He listed the series of events that were started by Walter long ago and then led to this crash. It really all is Walter's fault if you trace it back. It's the "Butterfly Effect" that you always hear about. The really sad thing is that the stuffed bear proves that there was at least one little child on one of the planes, and maybe more. All those people were killed because Walt decided to cook meth all that time ago. As for the bodybags in the driveway, at the beginning of the episode when they picked one of them up and it showed it from the side, it didn't look like there was a body in it, but maybe a bunch of evidence collected from the area. It looked too thin and not shaped quite like a body. Maybe there were different body parts in it...that's a disturbing thought!
I see the opinions of this finale are split down the middle. Half the people loved it, half were disappointed. I'm not sure exactly how I feel. It DOES seem pretty unrealistic that the planes would crash right over Walter's house, but then, it was very appropriate that it happened that way. Like I said before, I wasn't very surprised, since we had pretty much figured it out. I think the thing that surprised me the most is that we were right, lol. That review said "Yes the bear question is answered, and no, you don't know how it got into the pool. You may think you know, but you don't." Well, not to brag or anything, but I DID say the bear fell from one of the planes that crashed. I guess the bear itself is kind of a symbol for all the destruction that Walt has indirectly caused. The bear is a cute, innocent child's toy that has been burned and disfigured, representing all the innocent people that were killed because of Walt's actions.
I also noticed the bell on Walt Jr.'s computer sounding exactly like Tio's bell. The look on Walt's face when he heard it was priceless. It was almost like he expected Tio to be in his house, lol. I love how he told Junior "Turn it down, it's disturbing...the baby", when it was clear that it was actually disturbing Walt!
Jesse absolutely broke my heart in this episode. If he doesn't get an Emmy, I'll be pissed! The first time I watched it I didn't cry at all, because I'm usually so keyed up and waiting for something big to happen that I can't cry, but when I watched the replay, I started to tear up when Jesse broke down in Walter's arms and said "I loved her more than anything". So he's in rehab now. I hope he gets clean and still has as big of a role in the show in season 3.
All the talk about Jane's "black and blue" dresses reminded me of the episode "Negro Y Azul", which means black and blue in Spanish. Incidentally, that was also the episode in which Jesse and Jane started their relationship. Foreshadowing, anyone?
It was also revealed that Jane was born in Phoenix, making last week's episode make even more sense. Also, Jane was born only 10 days before me, on April 4, 1982. I was born April 14, 1982. That means that this episode was taking place right now, because last week Donald said Jane would be 27 next week, and then the end of this episode took place a few weeks later, which brings up right up to late May, which is when it aired!
I don't know exactly what the ramifications of the place crash will be, but one thing is for sure: It has us talking! And I'm definitely looking forward to season 3 already. Vince and crew have plenty of time to decide what the next chapter in the story will be. The next nine months are going to be excruciating!!!
Have watched and loved this show from day one. Brilliant! I can't wait to see what happens next, but I'll have to, like everyone else. I hope they don't make us wait as long this time. I think the music for the very last scene with the plane crash should have been "One Thing Leads to Another" by The Fixx. That song perfectly describes the Butterfly Effect, and the world that Walt has created and destroyed. It's the circle of life, Simba! There are just a couple of things in this show that I found a little unbelievable, though. I didn't think that the scumbag junkie whore would have a working telephone. And, did Jesse have a landline at his apartment? Remember the answering machine blinking the number 4? Anyway, those are just a couple of things I questioned. Did anyone else think that was questionable? Still love the show and can't wait to see more!!!!!
After digesting the various sightings of the pink bear, I have the following theory. Being that there is an entire rack of them being sold at the market where Walt disrobes, it would stand to reason that they are as common in Breaking Bad's Albuquerque area as Elmo dolls once were in any city in America. That said, the various sightings of the Pink Bear not necessarily all the same bear. They do provide plenty of food for thought, and they are obviously quite significant to the storyline, as highlighted by the black and white pool scene that was reminiscent of the Red jacket in the movie Schindler's list.
Unlike the jacket in Schindler's List however, it has been established that there is more than one Pink Bear in this series, and therefore no one outcome can be derived from clues provided by the appearances of the bears.
By the way, in re-watching the finale, it seems clear that one plane was landing at ABQ. The other, departing plane seems to have been headed for Winslow. (Arizona?)
Who would have been headed for Winslow, and who would have been leaving Albuquerque? The exact relationship of time as it relates to the other events from the show is unclear.
Did anyone notice that Q (Jane's father) referred to one of the planes that he was controlling, "Truth or Consequences"?
I think the future answers to all of our questions will prove to be as unpredictable as the ending of this show was for me!
TitusCicero I don't know if Donald will be like a Charles Bronson avenger in whatever those movies were that he was in. Wouldn't Donald have been in enough NA meetings and dealing with Jane's addiction after a decade to accept and understand that Jane was still responsible for Jane? Of course, grief and anger can do strange things to people. What are the stages of grief: disbelief, anger, acceptance?
Skyler Had forgotten about the post-partum hormones and postpartum depression. Yes, Skyler could do anything irrational if she's experiencing postpartum blues. She did seem a little borderline nutty, is the only word I can think of (no offense to new mothers out there).
Fulminated Mercury (love your name!): I did notice the Truth or Consequences reference. I was wondering how long it would be on this show before they mentioned that city. :)
as much as I like the show, the airplanes crashing is pretty far fetched. If you have ever flown into Abq. you would relate to it.Certainly if you have ever flown a plane yourself.
In bad weather perhaps... but clear skies..no way.
Not without aircraft malfunctions.
There are warning to the other Air Traffic Contollers when close proximity events happen. It's not just on one guy's shoulders. His Crew Boss would of been there to take over in a flash.
The SunPort isn't all that busy, it's not LAX. There is a lot of restricted military airspace also.
Guess that's one of the drawbacks of being in the area, you know otherwise.
I have to wonder if there would of been a different twist to the finale, had they not been okayed for another season.
If PINK=DEATH, which is new to me, I always thought that black was the symbolic color of death, would that have any relation to Jesse's name? Isn't it Jesse PINKMAN?
AMC you are running the A list shows this past year. I don't miss one episode of BB; it's better than Sopranos ever was. Love MM just as much but a whole different time genre that is love love love.
Walt and Jess should have emmy nods, so send in your best clips which won't be hard; they are always fantastic. Tremendous ending, but plane crash a bit over the top. Could it be a dream sequence? If the rest. manager/drug dealer doesn't get to Walt, then Hank will. Skyler is onto Walt and she'll get to the bottom and will find Jesse there; he called remember and left his name. She'll sharpen up once her hormones are back in sync.
Question: did Walt sell all his goods and is he done now, or more to unload? With Jesse in rehab he won't be able to count on him to run for him so he'll have to do the drops now himself. Danger ahead. Love this show.
Another possible plot twist:
Donald is cleared of criminal misconduct in the crash, but must attend therapy for PTSD. By coincidence, Walt, or perhaps Jesse, chooses to seek psychiatric help as well at the same therapist, and opens up under doctor/patient confidentiality. The doc manages to put 2 + 2 together.
What do you guys think of that GreyMatter site? Do any of you go there? They have this whole thing where other bloggers rate you and you get somethings called "street cred". The site looks like it has a lot of cool people with interesting things to say but I don't know if I would want to be judged by my posts. I like this site because we can all just say what we want without fear of not having enough "street cred". I love the way we all interact and give eachother feedback....but I don't know how comfortable I would be with having a rating or number assigned to me. Am I wrong about GreyMatter? If so, I'm sorry. My trepidation about the other site could just be that this is the first site I've ever posted my thoughts on and I feel partial to it : )
about Skylar..the show is definitely from the POV of a male. The many disses of the wife is evidence of Men R from Mars Women R from Venus. We are privy to his desire to leave the family financially secure. She is not privy. Imagine dressed in high heels, 8 months p.g., returning to a job where u messed
around with a married boss..Took alot of guts. All because she is worried about their financial future. She was home while her husband acted oddly. Skylar has been fighting off intuition...'Which one?'..Opens suspicions--Has she has been gullible? Then she finds out-- she has been lied to and duped..It is a sheer unadulterated betrayal. I can't imagine how she could nurse Walt back to health while tending the new baby with her new found knowledge.
As for Ted, a decent nice guy( with a small problem-) but interested in her... Hell ya she is going into his arms.
Walt sitting at poolside considering his next move..Tell her...Truth/ All/ Partial/ or Better Lie.
Mary said "Oh my gosh people, the stuffed toy that fell in the pool was Walt's baby girls toy, Sky took her and the son and left....she's gone, the baby is gone and the son is gone by the hand of the father (the FAA controller) of the girl that Walt let die!!!!"
What makes you think it was Holly's toy? Keep in mind that Hank and Marie live locally. Marie would be picking Walt Jr up from school and that Hank would be helping Walt pack his things. Skyler and the kids were to return Monday AM. They weren't on the airplane.
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Mary also said "This is the most intense ending to a series I have ever seen.....please bring the show back early for the new series"
You do realize the SERIES is not over, don't you? That was the end of SEASON 2, not the series as a whole. Season 3 will be back on presumably in the winter like the last two seasons.
MAY I Please ask: what the heck you are talking about "GREYMATTER" ???
what is that,?????
i get nothing from a google search that makes any sense to me?
Trueblu8 mentioned it along with a few other folks. See cut and paste below : )
By trueblu8 on June 1, 2009 5:05 AM
You guys need to get your asses over to http://greymatter.forumotion.net/. And tell James 26 too! Peace & Goodnight!
No need to be a braggart. Regarding many people saying it would be a plane, many said it would crash into Walter's house. That would be much less realistic than the random chance that the collision would take place in the vicinity of Walt's house, like what happened. Good call though.
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"I see the opinions of this finale are split down the middle. Half the people loved it, half were disappointed."
Do you really think it is 50/50? I'd say more people than normal didn't like this episode but I'll bet it was more like 4:1 in liking it.
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" I'm not sure exactly how I feel. It DOES seem pretty unrealistic that the planes would crash right over Walter's house"
Well, it is kind of like the lottery. It is unlikely that you will be the winner, but on the same token, somebody has to win.
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"I also noticed the bell on Walt Jr.'s computer sounding exactly like Tio's bell. The look on Walt's face when he heard it was priceless. It was almost like he expected Tio to be in his house, lol. I love how he told Junior "Turn it down, it's disturbing...the baby", when it was clear that it was actually disturbing Walt!"
My wife and I thought that Walter couldn't stand the fact that Jr was getting all the credit for the money he earned, as if Jr's website was really the reason they had so much money coming in. Like so many things in his life, he wanted so bad to be given credit for something he did. But he couldn't get credit for it. But you are right, maybe it was the bell, or a combination of both, that annoyed him so much.
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"Jesse absolutely broke my heart in this episode. If he doesn't get an Emmy, I'll be pissed! The first time I watched it I didn't cry at all, because I'm usually so keyed up and waiting for something big to happen that I can't cry, but when I watched the replay, I started to tear up when Jesse broke down in Walter's arms and said "I loved her more than anything". So he's in rehab now. I hope he gets clean and still has as big of a role in the show in season 3."
I didn't notice until my second viewing of the episode today that when Walt found Jesse in that drug house he said "get up son." He seems to have distanced himself from his real son and has taken a father type role over Jesse. Walt is far from heartless as some have said.
george said "Yawn. I am becoming bored. Someone may already have said this (I haven't read all posts): Gus will have Walt hit. Anyway, I watched Wallender instead."
Maybe this isn't your show. Move on if it bores you. The rest of us are looking forward to season three.
Yes, George.....I was surpriised that this show bored you! Did you watch both seasons or are you a new viewer? If youare new to th eshow, I HIGHLY recommend you check out the whole series before letting a great show like this pass you by. But like Skottey said, move on if it bores you. We all have different tastes after all. I love this show so much though I just can't imagine anyone not feeling the same way about it : )
After thinking about it for a day, I'm not a fan of the way this season ended. I have to throw my lot in with everyone else that feels the ending was to unrealistic. I don't mean that it is unrealistic that two planes could collide (it's happened before a couple of times), just that there are a lot of safeguards in place to prevent it from happening in ordinary circumstances. After all, it was a clear day and the two planes simply appeared to be approaching the airport. For a show that has spent so much effort always keeping itself as realistic as possible, it seemed like a cheap or easy way to end the season.
Personally, I think Walt needed to incur some personal pain of his own by the end of Season 2. He is no longer a sympathetic character. How many people has he directly or indirectly killed? Don't even consider the people (including children) killed in the plane crash. He's built up a serious amount of bad karma over the course of this season and he was due for some of those chickens to come home to roost.
I know some people would consider Skyler's decision to leave as a negative consequence, but that was a long time coming and from all appearances didn't cause Walt the pain he had inflicted on Jesse or Donald. Or at least he certainly didn't react that way.
For some reason I keep thinking about the end of "No Country For Old Men" and how Anton was hit by the car that ran the red light. For the entire movie Anton had violated the basic laws of humanity as some kind of unbendable force, only to be shown to be subject to the same forces of bad luck as the rest of us.
Walt had problems this season for sure, but he always managed to work his way through them. I think he needed to experience something he couldn't work his way out of - some form of serious emotional pain.
I was also one of the ones who posted in the last thread that I thought the bear would fall from one of the airplanes. However, I also thought that Skyler and Holly would be on one of the planes. I'm sure the writers didn't want to kill off a main character or a small baby, but to me that would have approached the level of what I have been talking about. Walt had a hand in the death of Donald's daughter and Jesse's lover, and so Walt deserves to lose his lover and daughter as well.
I suppose you can aruge that's what happened with Skyler leaving, but it doesn't rise to the same level. Besides, the writers are going to have to force Walt and Skyler to come to some kind of terms early in Season 3, probably in the first episode. She certainly can't tell Hank and Marie what Walt's been doing or the show will basically be over. So, whether they get back together or not, she is ultimately going to have to agree to keep things quiet.
Sorry for the long post. I always enjoy reading everyone elses' like James26 and Slygirl's, so I thought I'd take another shot at posting.
zia said "as much as I like the show, the airplanes crashing is pretty far fetched. If you have ever flown into Abq. you would relate to it.Certainly if you have ever flown a plane yourself.
In bad weather perhaps... but clear skies..no way.
Not without aircraft malfunctions."
This backs up the idea that Donald intentionally directed the planes to crash. It wouldn't have been an accident in such clear skies. If he directed the crash, the supervisor probably wouldn't have had time to intervene.
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"I have to wonder if there would of been a different twist to the finale, had they not been okayed for another season."
Am I the only one that thought it was extremely obvious that the last 15 minutes of the show was one ending and that they had another ending done up in case they didn't get renewed for a third season? Walt's facial hair alone and the fresh look of Walt and Skyler's acting as if they came back after some time off was obvious as well. I would bet $1000 that they had two endings written and filmed this part of the show only after they were renewed for season 3.
Maybe I have seen too many shows get canceled. I'll bet the alternate was Walt dying during surgery and Jesse committing suicide. Like I said earlier, it would be totally sweet if they actually filmed that other ending and have an alternate ending on the season 2 DVD/Bluray.
I kinda like that about Walt; with Jesse at this point, he came back (even if Jane did die) for Jesse and then he went into a dangerous place alone.. to find him. His own son seems distant from him at this point, although he bashed the hecklers leg in the clothing store (which if my dad/mom had done that or helped me stand up for myself back then i would not be so fearful of life now).
but-- Walt is finding his way, and Jesse is on that path. Helping Jesse may be helping himself (Walt) even as the cancer has created a path of evolution, Walt never would have expected to be on.
Skylar was brow beating Walt for a while now, and she needs to be tied up and taken away in a van (by Walt and Jesse) to the cook site and the fear of god put into her... 'd never say that in real life, but as a fictional story i just seemed to come to mind, but i am no writer. all i can do is love the good stuff like shows like this and the Shield and Deadwood.
and watch as many of you de-code the symbols; it is great stuff.
I guess we should really all be going to church and prayer meetings and getting ready for God - if my friend who preaches at me is correct. But I think for now i will stick to the PINK TEDDY BEAR forums.
THANKS to the Cas, Crew and Writers of BB, for a story to stay up all night to!
strattones said "After all, it was a clear day and the two planes simply appeared to be approaching the airport. For a show that has spent so much effort always keeping itself as realistic as possible, it seemed like a cheap or easy way to end the season."
Would you buy into the concept that Donald INTENTIONALLY crashed the planes? Like everyone has said, it is unrealistic on a clear day that such an accident would happen, but if it was intentional and done fast enough, it could easily happen that way.
Also, how about the idea that the writers and cast were under the impression that this was it (show canceled) and they had to go back and rewrite the ending and film with little time. Maybe they had no idea they would get a third season. After all, many on here and in the media acted surprised the show got a third season. Most of us love the show and considered it obvious the show would be back for season 3 but maybe it was closer to the chopping block than any of us realized.
Think about it. They had an ending written and maybe filmed and suddenly AMC calls Vincent and says, "We'd like to renew the show for another season." It could have been much worse. I don't think the ending was bad. I was just expecting more of a cliffhanger.
skottey-I also noticed that Walt called Jesse "son". I thought that was nice. As for Donald intentionally causing the crash, it could be, but to me, it seemed like he was so zoned out thinking about Jane that he didn't know what he was doing. If you're right about them filming this ending after the third season renewal, then I give them credit for coming up with this scenario on such short notice.
strattones-Thanks for saying you enjoy my posts! I enjoyed yours too. It wasn't too long at all. :)
I don't think that Walt was envious or had his pride hurt by Junior's charity site. Rather, I think Walt is coldly weighing the risk of the money laundering scheme being discovered versus the upset done to the tenuous family balance by shutting down the site; and the media attention was potentially disastrous to his secret. Walt shows nearly every characteristic of a sociopath - a manipulative, cunning and soulless evil-doer who with his every action works out the calculus between destroying his family, getting caught, and making more money. If there is a less sympathetic character on TV today I'd be surprised. (Full disclosure: this is the only show I watch).
Well, once again, they've got us thinking. I wonder if this thread will stay open all summer and how convoluted our theories will get in that time!
Anyway - my favorite line from last night's show was when Walt's son was praising his father for the TV camera and mentioned, "He knows everything there is to know about chemistry." Sure does. The show has lots of lines like that which give the viewer a wry chuckle.
I was really touched with the love that Walt showed Jesse, before the last episode I was bummed thinking that Walt was going to just be an asshole to Jesse over the dope. But he really cared and came through. And did anybody else realize this? He told Jesse, "I missed the birth of my Daughter because of you." When he told Gus that Jesse did what he told him and that he could trust him. He ended up telling Gus that he would never have to see Jesse again that Gus could just deal with Walt. Therefore he couldn't hardly have sent Jesse to do the deal, even though I am sure Gus himself was not at the sale, he promised him that they could deal with him directly. So Jesse at most could have only helped by meeting Walt with the stash. Not to go on about old shit. As for Skylar it just depends on who the liar and criminal is. After all he caught Ted in tax evaision and walked out claiming she would not report him but she could not be a part of it. Yet the very next day her Jeep pulled up to work, meaning that she was going to accept his criminal activity and become a party to the tax evaision. And by not running all of this by Walt and flirting with her boss when super pregnant with Walt's child, that makes her no better than Walt! She calls Walt a liar, what about what she has done?
rockmama-I thought the same thing when Junior said Walt knows everything about chemistry! :)
Doug-Very good point! I never even thought of that. You're right, Jesse couldn't have brought the meth there anyway, only Walt could have. So Jesse didn't make him miss Holly's birth at all.
Someone asked me way up page how I figured out Donald was an ATC. Sorry I forgot who it was and there are too many posts to go through now. There is an ATC credited on IMDb and I thought the only reason to have an ATC on the show is if there is a mid air collision caused by the ATC (isn't that what they do - or try not to do). Since we don't know what Donald does but did know that 'his grief leads to tragedy' it made sense that he was also an ATC (and it fits everything he has said about his job and also his demeanor seemed suited). I was thrilled to have figured it out but it took away all the surprise!
I don't think he intentionally caused the collision. I think he gave two approaching planes the same altitude (he became confused and distraught when he misheard Janes's name). But he noticed they were on a collision course and he could have reacted - he should have reacted to try to save the situation. His mute watching was a parallel to Walt's watching Jane die - decisions made in split seconds where inaction causes death. Unlike Walt, it wasn't done for self interest.
It's taken me some time to digest the ending and honestly it doesn't matter to me if I liked it or not. It is what it is and the writers are so brilliant that I applaud them for taking risks and not feeding us what we expect.
Why is everyone (myself included) happy that no one in Walt's family got killed and yet 167 innocent people just died in a horrible avoidable plane crash and we don't feel horrified?? Shouldn't we???
Jesse was unconscious at the time the deal was to go through. Walt didn't miss the birth of his daughter because of Jesse - he missed because of the score. That was an easy call for him. Traffic... yeah, traffic.
kafka-Wow, I didn't even think about that parallel. Donald staring at the screen was very similar to Walt staring at Jane, only this caused a lot more deaths. When Walt was watching Jane die, he never could have imagined that 167 people would die because of that!
I'd like a clarification just to expand on how idiotic this ending was on top of the ridiculous series of coincidences and utter pointlessness of it. Has there ever in the entire history of aviation been a mid-air collision by two airliners in flight caused by a flight controller not paying attention? Is such a thing even possible? I mean these planes do have radar don't they? The pilots aren't blind generally are they? And even if there were no radar, no air traffic controllers, and blind pilots, exactly how many planes are flying in the vast space above New Mexico at any given time that there is anything but the most infinitesimal chance of them somehow running into each other?
I don't feel that because it wouldn't of happened in real life, leads to the idea that Don caused the planes to crash on purpose.
Don stuffed his greif about his daughter's death , it resurfaced. But there are FAA safeguards, to monitor each controller. Weather and airplane malfunctions are out of the ordinary events.
I think it displays that they really didn't check out how far fetched the idea was. They were commited to a plane crash by the naming of the episodes.
It brings to mind about when they when out to the desert to cook for 4 days, they only took one conatiner of water.
Anyone who has spent any time out here in the high desert knows better than that. Even if you have a big ass jug , you're going to take something else too. More than you need.They weren't back packing up into the Pecos. A Rv for godsake.
A couple of six packs of beer at least. they both drink beer.
I bet they had a ending already on film, where the bear goes into the pool and Jesse is over Walt's house and him and Walt both get killed from plane debris but they had a out for a next season and we saw that.
Think about it, the show was on the bubble. They only got season 3 recently.
There have been other great shows that have done things that were unbelievable or unlikely to happen, but people kept watching them. I think the quality of Breaking Bad up till now is enough to let something slide if it's not totally realistic. I know I'll still be watching next season. By the way, Stavrogin, I love your avatar! Charlie from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia! :)
zia - I think he still would have lied to Skyler and told her that it was gambling winnings.
As for the unrealistic ending, it was meant to be unrealistic. What are the odds that Skyler is telling Walt everything she knows and leaving him at the exact moment that Donald goes back to work and causes a plane crash over their home? Possible but highly highly improbable. It reminds me of the frog shower in Magnolia (which I loved but which turned a lot of viewers off - it also was a known phenomenon). Just enjoy the spectacle.
"Has there ever in the entire history of aviation been a mid-air collision by two airliners in flight caused by a flight controller not paying attention? Is such a thing even possible? I mean these planes do have radar don't they?"
I can't answer the first question, but given the weather conditions during the show (unrestricted ceiling and unrestricted visibility), I find it highly improbable that two airliners commanded by professional pilots would collide in mid-air. The only way I can see this happening is if NOBODY on either plane was paying attention.
BTW: did anybody notice that Donald drives a Lincoln Navigator?
James - is Sky a slang term for meth? I tried to look that up but couldn't find anything except except it's used for oxycontin. But maybe urban dictionary isn't the best place to get that info ;) If so that's really cool.
kafka - If the writers originally thought the second season was their last and had to change the season finale after it had already been shot, I could certainly see your point. However, I read an interview with Vince Gilligan last night where he said that the plane collision was planned from the start. I forget his exact quote, but he said this was the first season of a show he had worked on where they planned the ending of the season from the beginning. Plus, when you consider that the names of the episodes with the teddy bear in them state "747 Down Over ABQ", I think that shows the whole thing was planned from the beginning.
As for Donald intentionally causing the planes to collide, I had seen that brought up earlier, but I'm not sure if it's true. I noticed that most of his scenes in the air traffic control tower were spent with him talking in an almost repetitive, automatic kind of way. I thought they were trying to suggest that he had gone on "autopilot." One part of his brain was doing it's thing while the other thought about Jane. The problem with that type of job, of course, is that you can't do that.
I'm sure it was meant to be vague though and that it could go either way. Maybe we will get an explanation of what happened next season.
strattones - I agree with you that the ending was planned from the beginning. Everything was moving towards it. What bothered me more than the plane crash was that they skipped 6 weeks - I didn't want to miss anything and felt a bit cheated!
Anyone else notice how Jane grabbed the bag of money away from Jesse and said, "with this kind of money I could go anywhere, be anything"? Jesse doesn't realize it but that girl would have been his ruin. Still not to be too personal on here but my young girlfriend O'd and died in my bed and I have to give them credit, watching that disturbrd me to the core, it was very realistic and it about broke my heart when Jane's dad arrived I thought they all put in a hell of a performance on that.
Love the developing dynamic between Walt and Jesse. Aaron Paul has made us care about Jesse and thankfully the writers made Walt treat Jesse compassionately, the way the viewers yearn to.
I would just like to say that this is probably the best show I have ever seen. Sure, there are some unbelievable coincidences, but hey nothing is perfect.
If anyone wants to see a satellite view of where Walt White lives, go to Google Earth and go to the following coordinates: 35 (degrees) 07'34.22" N and 106(degrees) 32'11.86" W. Check it out, you can see the swimming pool in the back!
At the top of the scene in the air-traffic control room, Jane’s dad, spouting off instructions to his planes, says, “Truth or Consequences” and gives an altitude reading on that plane. I thought this was another big wink from the writers to the audience, before later discovering that this was an actual city in New Mexico and so an air-traffic controller might actually say this. You gotta love symbolism.
What he said was the "altimeter setting" for the City of T or C.. not the altitude of the plane
You have to adjust that setting so you get a accurate altitude, due to changes in atmospheric pressure.
after going to the above linked article:(LA times)
I am quite amazed that people are so unhappy with the finale that they are not only trashing that episode in itself, but deciding to not watch the show any longer.
They crammed a lot into the finale and yes the last 1/4 of the show was a bit disjointed - perhaps--, but in this day and age of networks trending toward reality programming that aims at the lowest common denominator of social intellect; why would people pan a show; full of rich and textured symbolism and emotional content as well - is beyond my personal understanding at this point.
One look at the tv guide for any night gives a clue to the lack the richness in programming that could be out there.
everyone of us on this board that supports and talks about the details and notions of this show should be proud we have taste and brains to choose Breaking Bad over "American Idol" or any other BS reality type programming.
AGAIN KUDOS to AMC and The Entire Crew of BB.
(wether everyone agrees on the finale or not)
I think someone suggested a 2 hour special would have been appropriate; I now agree. But- we get a Season 3 to look forward to!
The way TV is going to hell and every new show is some stupid talent contest or popularity contest where a bunch of people try to win the $100,000 dollars, and people pay AT&T $.65 to vote for there favorites. And supposed reality tv. TV is mostly going to hell. This show is a blessing!
What if Saul has not yet gotten his computer hacker to get the zombies moving along and "Save Walter White.com" has been getting legitimate donors from day one.
Wouldn't that throw Walt for a loop?
I"m not usually one to try and make predictions on this show but I see so many of you out there doing it I thought I might put this pan into the fire and see how it turns out.
To synaptic45caliber:
Unfortunately, I am not that good with Google Earth myself. I would suggest going to Google Earth, typing in Albuquerque, NM, and then "panning" around for the "ballpark" coordinates. After that, zoom in slowly and fine-tune your search. I hope this helps.
Kafka: "His mute watching was a parallel to Walt's watching Jane die - decisions made in split seconds where inaction causes death"
Yes! I was about to post this same thing. This show is just so friggin brillliant, I can't stand it!
Just some other random questions / thoughts.......
My friend at work thinks Donald intentionally crashed those planes. I think it was he had a meltdown/anxiety attack and didn't mean to do it.
Also, does Saul know that Walt's brother in law is a DEA agent? If so, then Gus would have known too, right? If Gus didn't know, what will he do now? Will he make Walt try to get info from Hank on the DEA's suspicions, investigations and operations?
What do you think Skyler will tell Marie and Hank about why they are breaking up?
When / how will Hank figure out that Walt is "Heisenberg?"
Wonder if anyone important was on the plane?
Are the two bodies from the plane or from collateral damage on the ground, and who are they and are they important to the story? I'm thinking they were on the ground.
When will Walt figure out that the plane crash was caused by Jane's father? Then what will he do? What will happen to Donald now? Will he kill himself? With heroin? Meth?
As for the 2 body bags at the end of the episode, has anyone thought about it being random peoples body parts? We are all trying to guess which characters they may be, but I am thinking its only parts of people. I dont think we are losing any existing characters for the opening of season 3. What do you all think about this????
As for the 2 body bags at the end of the episode, has anyone thought about it being random peoples body parts? We are all trying to guess which characters they may be, but I am thinking its only parts of people. I dont think we are losing any existing characters for the opening of season 3. What do you all think about this????
James26 said "kafka-Wow, I didn't even think about that parallel. Donald staring at the screen was very similar to Walt staring at Jane, only this caused a lot more deaths. When Walt was watching Jane die, he never could have imagined that 167 people would die because of that!"
Hey, I am missing something. Where did the 167 number come from? I watched the show twice and didn't catch that anywhere. Planes collide, they show Walt look up and watch the pink stuffed animal fall in the pool, credits roll. Where did that number come from?
I'm going through withdrawl already. This season was so amazing. It started with me thinking this was one of the best shows I had seen in years. To being undoubtedly, the best show I have ever seen. This made up for me sitting through a painful last three years of the Soprano's, waiting for something good to happen. It made Sunday my favorite day of the week, and each new
Here we go, hang onto your seats.
This is going to be un-freakin'-believable!!!
25 minutes to go and can't wait!
I don't know how the hell they are gonna do this episode in 1 hour. It should be amazing from start to finish.
omg im going crazy i cant sit still lol
15 minutes...shit I gotta make some snacks for the sheeew!
737 down over abq............00:18:00 and counting......
I still love that you figured out that code, Dave!
I'm going to pop a gasket, the last 15 minutes of the Fugitive, while I wait for the best show on TV's last ep of the season. My blood pressure's rising...
I'm frothing at the mouth!!!
about to watch it.... waited so long for this day, is walk gunna die? Jesse? is the house gunna blow up. So many questions BREAKING BAD!!! BEST SHOW ON TV!
Somebody's gonna die...oh shit, I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight!!!
Ok so straight up who is under the sheets??? I am betting on hank being one of them.
Hey, everyone, check out BrBa's Twitter status: "Breaking Bad is...killing 167 people." http://twitter.com/BREAKINGBAD_AMC
I think it's a fair assumption that a "737," containing 167 people and perhaps from "Phoenix," will be "Down" "Over" the "ABQ." God, I can't wait to see this.
the other being skyler
Somebody's gonna die...oh shit, I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight!!!
Oh shit I think I'm starting to seizure! Someone, quick hold my tongue!!!
Killing 167 people? What the hell, yo???
YO
2 minutes! Here we go!
Cool! It began with that scene again! Looks like black smoke coming from two locations. Also looks like the incident covers a large area, not just Walt's house.
whoah, NTSB...
omg 3 hours must get off the thread before i read something i will regret!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's really gonna hit the fan now!
Man, Jane's dad is going to be having some guilt for giving her one more day.
Jane was born in Phoenix!
Heh, nice touch with Hank holding up Walts picture and in the background the suspect three.
Man, I'm bawling like a baby for Jesse.
Man Jesse is torn up. He definitely doesn't belong there with those degenerates either.
Not trying to stand up on a soap box, but I called the haz-mat scene was a "hot" zone for radiation. YEAH!
If Aaron Paul does not end up with an Emmy nod there is no justice!
"which one?"
Oh sheeeeit!
Lol which one. Greeat.
Priceless that the kingpin donated to Walt's fund!! Did you catch where he asked Hank if he was one of his agents???
That was one funny scene when Gus gave Hank a donation for Walt.
Awesome surgery scene.
Only 15 left???? I don't want a bunch of cliffhangers!!
I'm willing to bet Jesse never thought he'd end up in a ritzy sweat lodge spa to get clean! What a difference money has made for him. Hope it gets him clean for good. I'm rooting for you Jesse, now that you've hit bottom, you've got a chance to Get Good.
Walt had to know that second phone was going to bite him in the ass.
That's probably the last you'll ever see Gus deal with Walt!
Divorce. I'm calling it now.
im feeling a big cliff hanger with only 12 minutes to go
OMG! Walt with a beard!
AIR FLIGHT ROOM!!!!!
awww man thats crazy guy from los pollos hermanos was right underneath hanks nose and when he holds up the picture of walt in front of the wanted poster it was great and i have a question was that robert dinero in the first of the show?
Was anyone we know on those planes? Where did Skyler say she was going?
OK. I'm thoroughly excited but majorly bummed...I NEED MORE!!!
slipperyduke...might want to go back and review.
as to this episode. wow. well, it was a crash.
Damn, I was disappointed in that ending.
Im lost????
OMFG!
I cant believe how much they packed into that episode......killer intro...............Walt's got hell to pay!!!!!
mid air colision damn
Wow watching the opening scene again right now on TV, I like how the writers are trying to portray that this plane crash was all walts fault
Great episode, amazing ending. My No. 1 emotion right now is sadness. Having to wait till 2010 to see new episodes of the greatest show in television history (yeah, that's right) is going to be difficult. I'll just have to rely on my season one DVD for a while.
One big question I have has to do with Skylar, Marie and Hank. If Skylar is leaving her husband w/ cancer and a newborn baby, what excuse did she give to Marie and Hank??? How much did she tell them about the doctor's bills, etc.?? She would have to have a MAJOR reason for leaving Walt like this...
Shit they did blow up the planes over ABQ, you guys who called Don being an airtraffic controller, Kudos to you. And who let him back to work without grief counselling???????
Any stress filled job supervisor who let that happen should be fired.
So now we know the pink teddybear was a pink herring. (sorry, had to)
Loved the look on Gus' face when he asked about Walt's photo, you have to bet he'll be using that information to keep Walt licking his boots.
Hank, Hank, Hank, pull your head out of your butt.
And all I can say to Skylar is, finally girl, you caught on. It only took all year for your spidey senses to kick in. Too bad you didn't check out the pipes when you were doing laundry girl, or you'd be one happy lady driving off into the sunset. Maybe it's time to call Ted.
Walt, it's your turn to lose, and you're going to hurt.
Now we all have to hurt until the next season.
I'm somewhat disappointed in the ending too. I wonder if you others are as well?
Awful, just awful. The end sequence of this episode may have ruined the whole season. Are the writers playing a joke on us by building up to that point through the season only to give such an incredible piece of stupidity? The writers of 24 would have found that too moronic to put on the air, and they'll put on almost anything no matter how ridiculous.
WHAT??? My jaw was on the floor. Unlike some very clever people, I did not see that one coming. The scene between Jesse and Walter was truly heart-breaking. It was just a magnificent moment of pure emotion. I cannot believe Skyler. My jaw dropped on that one too. Walter did all of what he did for her--for their family, for her very survival. And she leaves him!? I couldn't decide on Skyler for the longest time, but now I've finally decided. I do not like her and I cannot identify with her decisions. Perhaps she should examine her own not-so-sparkling behavior. I've decided that the main point of this show is that everyone is a criminal--or at least has the capacity to be a criminal. Skyler is not innocent, and she should not pretend to be innocent.
They weren't kidding when they talked about a collision.
I think that the ending to this episode was not much of an ending to this season, but a beginning to next season. This whole episode leaves you to wonder what is going to happen in 9 months from now when season 3 starts. The plane crash might actually play a major role in the next season.
nahh.. I liked it. We don't know anything about those planes; there could have been someone important on one of them, like Gus maybe?
Awe Man! I can't believe the way that ended.
Could it be just random bodies from the collision.
Somebody else could have been hurt though by being directly under the crash.
Did anybody catch that bell on Jr.'s computer just like the old man's bell in "Grilled" the epic episode.
Plenty of questions linger for next season.
WOW AMC!!!!!!!! THIS SHOW IS A TRUE MASTERPIECE.!!!!
wow!! i am totally blown away....what an episode!! now i am going to go insane until the next season. man i feel bad for jessie, what a mess he has gotten into........and skyler leaving.......adios! have a nice day!
Notice how they started promoting Mad Men another great show on AMC.
Next season Walt will obviously find out that Jane's dad was the air traffic controller responsible for the crash and will therefore discover that Walt is the one ultimately responsible. Try living with that on your conscience.
Skyler's refusal to learn what Walt had been up to won't last forever. I expect her to find out very early next season. They will have to smooth things over pretty early on or else it will give Hank too much of a reason to get suspicious.
I'm not sure if I like the ending or not. It will take a couple of days for me to decide.
The "cleaner" was great! I hope he's in future episodes.
Tuned in hoping to see a dramatic event that would make Walt break firmly onto the dark side. I was very disappointed in this episode. The story line was not good enough for a season ending show. The plane crash at the end was anti-climactic and contrived. The only thing we are left with is that Walt's wife is onto him and decides to leave him, which I could care less about. In my opinion the writers had some real work to do to make the show interesting going forward and get me interested in the next season. I won't rehash all of the comments I made about last weeks show but I really feel like they dropped the ball in that regard. Really, is this what we are left with? An image of Walt sitting around feeling sorry for himself (I'm not feeling sorry for him) and that ridiculously contrived plane crash! Don't label me a hater! I loved this show up until the last two episodes and I was really hoping to eat my words from last week tonight.
I feel like the plane crash explanation was a bit of a let-down because it doesn't really matter to the story trajectory. On the other hand, the rest of the episode was fanstastic. I didn't really want any of the major cast members to be in the body bags, so I guess this deus ex machina is acceptable... I just wish that the many teasers actually led up to something clearly significant.
Tuned in hoping to see a dramatic event that would make Walt break firmly onto the dark side. I was very disappointed in this episode. The story line was not good enough for a season ending show. The plane crash at the end was anti-climactic and contrived. The only thing we are left with is that Walt's wife is onto him and decides to leave him, which I could care less about. In my opinion the writers had some real work to do to make the show interesting going forward and get me interested in the next season. I won't rehash all of the comments I made about last weeks show but I really feel like they dropped the ball in that regard. Really, is this what we are left with? An image of Walt sitting around feeling sorry for himself (I'm not feeling sorry for him) and that ridiculously contrived plane crash! Don't label me a hater! I loved this show up until the last two episodes and I was really hoping to eat my words from last week tonight.
Tuned in hoping to see a dramatic event that would make Walt break firmly onto the dark side. I was very disappointed in this episode. The story line was not good enough for a season ending show. The plane crash at the end was anti-climactic and contrived. The only thing we are left with is that Walt's wife is onto him and decides to leave him, which I could care less about. In my opinion the writers had some real work to do to make the show interesting going forward and get me interested in the next season. I won't rehash all of the comments I made about last weeks show but I really feel like they dropped the ball in that regard. Really, is this what we are left with? An image of Walt sitting around feeling sorry for himself (I'm not feeling sorry for him) and that ridiculously contrived plane crash! Don't label me a hater! I loved this show up until the last two episodes and I was really hoping to eat my words from last week tonight.
Walt can very easily echo Jesse in relation to Skyler leaving him, when Jesse was crying on Walt's shoulder "I killed her. I killed her!" I still think Skyler should have at least heard him out, but I think deep down she wants her freedom to fuck around with Teddy-boy!
I agree with whoever that was up above in saying that ending was too much like what would be on "24". It just seemed to not fit with this show for some reason. I'm sorry, I just didn't like it at all.
Is it mother's day......? how can a guy post when the lines are hot with comments?
that was a great ending, but so sad it's over for a long time. i hope i don't watch so much crap on tv that i forget what happened tonight..
what happens with the 2 dead bodies as shown in previous episodes in black and white outside walt's house with the glasses on the ground....? is that a little teaser for next season? plane land on him?
Someone posted (in Eps 12's thread) that the color pink was associated with death (specifically the teddy bear, can't remember what else). Jane's comforter had a pink pattern. And have you ever seen Walt wear anything that bright?! It's the death of Walt and the rise of Heisenberg.
Jesse didn't even know Jane's birthday.
Favorite line,"Yo."
I liked the plane crash. Call me crazy or sick ,but I've always wanted to see one......just real curious about what one would look like.
I have watched this show from the very beginning. Season two has had me on the edge of my seat with each episode. I see an Emmy nod for best Drama series, another Best Actor ward for Cranston and best supporting actor to AAron Paul. He's been phenominal this season. It going to be a long wait for Season three!
By DepraveDave on May 28, 2009 11:29 AM
Put some of the titles together......
737 down over phoenix abq
...........i'm predicting a BIG CRASH!!!
the 2 bodies? random passengers......grilled
You Rock DepraveDave.....great call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ARE U CIA? Native American? U BROKE THE CODE DUDE! Congrats.
HEISENBERRRGGG!!!!!! i give him major props for producing the purest shit and not being a junkie himself...yeah i was a lil thrown off with the wicked bright sweater selection.
Such a great episode marred by the plane crash ending. It's too far causally removed from Walt's actions to lay the blame at his feet-- as a result, it lacks the kind of emotional punch I assume they were going for. The build up over the season was so suspenseful, that I really felt dread and a knotted stomach every time they showed the body bags. When the plane actually crashed, I felt nothing but disappointment. I feel tricked.
Ok Skyler said she was spending the weekend at Hank and Marie's, which means she shouldn't be on either of the two planes that crashed.
An absolutely fantastic post mortem inverview with creator Vince Gilligan http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/05/breaking_bad_vince_gilligan_se.html
when the beginning scene was goin down-the 2 big black clouds of smoke-literally in my mind "plane crash...omg the 2 bodies, one's walt's" gggrrrrr why can't next season be at the end of the summmmerrrr. i hope that it doesn't get predicatble with everything huge happening right now..
Of course there is always the possibility that anyone of the main characters could be harmed by the falling debris...
How did they figure out 737 over abq
As Vince Gilligan says in his post mortem interview, if you take the titles of the shows with black and white teasers you get the secret code - 737 - Down - Over - ABQ.
By tweeders1 on May 31, 2009 7:43 PM
4justice, Its all good man, or should I say SAUL GOODMAN! I've been trying to find a way to get that one in since I heard it on the podcast. I'm sure Wyoming is a beautiful state. All those mountains and things. I wouldn't mind visiting there someday. I'm a city girl myself though, and yes Wisconsin's pretty beautiful too. Gets pretty fuckin cold though! But its summer now so we're happy about that. To water on Mars back at ya'll!
By 4justice on May 31, 2009 12:10 AM
I really am having a hard time getting my arms around a plane crash over Walt's house. I as a few others (Alexis, pj1978, ?) believe that the two body bags in Walt's driveway is the final episode of Breaking Bad.
Well i was wrong there! but no major character is dead.....that was a call. Skyler is out and Jesse is in Shangra la.....can i visit?
Jane lying there with her eyes open was really creepy.....
tweeders1, please come to WYO...Yellowstone aka Jellystone. hey boo boo!
The Mint in Sheridan has cold FLAT TIRE BEER! Invite open to all BB posters! :)
ask for my e-mail and IM site.
Episode #1 starts with the black and white hose dripping and the eyeball going into the pool overflow and the slow rotation of the pink teddy bear... just like this one.
I was thinking the teddy bear had to belong to the family... hmm but symbolically Walt is wearing a pink sweater when the planes crash. hmm..
Yes I wonder who the two bodies in the driveway will be. I'm betting on Skyler and her boss. A long shot bet on the manager of El Pollo Loco and the Lawyer.
i am WAY too slow to ever figure any of that stuff out...i'll stick with anticipation and skip the over-analytical obsession. haha
I didn't quite catch what Skyler said to Walt while packing. That really isn't my concern. What I'm wondering is if Skyler and baby were on that plane. Yes or No?
Would love it if part of the fuselage crashed into Hanks home for the end of Skyler / family. Then Heisenberg can truly show.
Yo tweeders1
Saul Goodman back at ya! love that. Good call.
"To water on Mars" to all BB posters.
Bob Parr
All of this trouble came out of the "blue sky".
I really liked the episode until the ending Crash-like coincidence. There was a hint of that last week with Walt meeting Jane's dad in a bar but the air collision was too much. It's such a great show but I couldn't suspend disbelief with the crash.
The NTSB van, the two black plumes, and then Jane's dad is an air traffic controller. It's a letdown.
I still think it's a great show but ending was disappointing.
oo dead body guess: saul and jesse! somehow get to walt's, walt tries to protect jesse-hence the busted glasses, leaving saul and jesse dead in the driveway.
...hahah yeah right
KyTrader, my brother caught Fylnn's computer counter sounding like Theo's bell - good catch.
My brother also thinks that Walt may use the plane crash to fake his own death. What's he got to loose now.
Can't really blame Skyler for walking out. For some people the reason for the deceipt doesn't justify the deceipt itself.
Bad episode for Donald, will he break bad next?
Hank...buddie...you've got all the pieces (or you will have when Skyler tells Marie about Walt's money and disappearances, and then Marie tells you).
Will Gus really believe that Walt isn't a DEA agent?
Man, January 2010 is a long way away.
Marie is such a fascinating wack-job. Next season, I want more Marie along with the "cleaner"
Awwesome episode, season, and show.
The good news is that they have a long time to try and bail themselves out of a dying story line. Walt needs to make his transition. Its not good enough for him to just have some marital problems and go on selling dope (or not selling dope whatever). Did anyone feel bad for Walt tonight? Why would you? Where does that leave us? I felt bad for Jesse but where is that character taking us? He's not driving the story line at all anymore.
I love that Pink bear and also Walt's sweater.
Did anyone else notice that the (Native American dancer- can not remember what it is called) metal figure on the pool fence, was pink also?
i think that is unusual for those to be pink. they are usually dark or brown.
I have been so anxious to comment on BB. Does everyone out there realize this is probably the best scripted show on TV in a very long time. Trust me I am 64 and have been watching TV since 1950.
Congrats and many thanks to AMC for BB and Mad Men.
The character development and script and timing is more than good television. It is intelligent and thought provoking. Every other nite of the weak I just surf and end up with the History channel and then AC 360
I want BB to walk away with everything for this season. The cast is superb and deserves recognition.
Why is it that the greater majority of the comments I see are reading into the story and the characters. Why not enjoy the writing and let yourself into these great characters. I want to be in their lives...thats a well writtent piece of material
Where is the fan club for this great entertainment? I'm in
Oh, God . . . I sobbed along with and for Jesse. How in hell he found his way to that miserable shooting gallery, I don't know. I think the body bags are strangers, passengers on one of those planes. But the jig is really going to be up for Walt now. With Skyler going to stay with Marie and Hank, she'll tell them everything. Hank is a loud blowhard, but he'll make the connection.
I was glad that Jesse could afford go to some rockstar, ritzy Hazelton kind of spa place for rehab, but did anyone else notice how COLD it was? I could see everyone's breath.
What an amazing show--I was absolutely astounded. Again.
It would not surprise me at all if Skyler lied about going to Hank & Marie's and hopped on a plane. Imagine if we had seen that same pink teddy bear in their house previously, and now Walt sees his daughter's half-burnt bear floating in his pool. That, I think, would give us that heart-dropping, gut-wrenching, floor-falling-out-from-under-you feeling we're craving right now.
Great ending and will make for a great start for Season 3. I want some kudos for being the first to guess Jane's dad was an ATC and would cause the plane crash!!! I was upset with him when he didn't take his daughter straight to rehab (I've been there and I know you don't wait a day) so I'm sure his grief and self blame was huge.
Another prediction I made a few weeks ago I'll make again - Walt is going to fake his own death and disappear. Things are too hot for him with Skyler figuring out that he's getting the money illegally and Hank coming over to help him pack. He's wearing pink and pink is the color of death?? I love that!! He needs to leave his family cause he's a terrible husband and father and doesn't deserve them and he knows it. Anyways, Skyler has done it for him.
The only thing that surprised me this episode was that Skyler figured it all out so I wasn't surprised by anything else (maybe its better not to figure things out!)
barlow -- your have a good point about Jesse. he is in total stasis both; in form and in the plot trajectory.
he's gotta be so 'sad', and i am glad i do not know that kind of level of sad. can't blame him for the blank stare state.
I'm re-posting my thoughts for all of you who disliked the ending.
The plane-crash wasn't a cop-out. It was symbolic. It was hyperbole - it signified the devastation Walt has caused. Very tasteful in it's grandiosity. Straight up.
I must agree with those of you who were a bit disappointed with the ending of this ep. It could redeem itself next season if they kept the storyline of Donald being on the news as the person responsible, and Walt seeing him and putting 2 and 2 together and realizing that he had talked to Don before watching his daughter die. THen Walt would have a ton more guilt to chew on. Maybe they could run that story back to back with Walt the super dad story and Don could see Walt on TV and identify the same, that he'd seen that guy before.
Skylar is going to have a tough time at Hank and Marie's. If she tells all, Hank has got to catch on. But if she does start talking, she better not look in a mirror because she's not so squeaky clean herself anymore, being knowledgeable about Ted's fraud and all. I see her going back to hear Walt out and making a decision about how Bad she can accept, for how much money. After all, Hank accepts Marie's little habit doesn't he?
I wonder if Marie's going to call the press to update that Walt isn't such a wonder dad after all? Wouldn't that be sweet? She's such a meddling kat after all. I'd love to kick her to the kurb.
Just how long can Abq's "finest" have Heisenberg right under his nose and not have a clue, really. This has to develop next season, he has to get wise and make a decision to turn Walt in or Break Bad too and lead his dept down the garden path. OK, Vince, we the fans await. Bring us your finest for we will accept no other.
TTFN
Bravo AMC....Bravo.
I think we had talked each other into believing the ending would be a more personal tragedy for Walt, but a plane crash over his house (which, although he doesn't know it yet, he indirectly caused) is a pretty big deal. The chain of events over the 2 seasons has been kind of like a Greek tragedy. Genius!
And speaking of genius, I was especially to hear the voice of one of my favorite musicians in the song playing during the surgery scenes - Chocolate Genius, Inc.
From the creator:
"In simple terms, we just wanted a giant moment of showmanship to end the season. And what better way than to have a rain of fire coming down around our protagnoist's ears, sort of like the judgment of God? It seemed like a big showmanship moment, and to visualize, in one fell swoop, all the terrible grief that Walt has wrought upon his loved ones, and the community at large. In that moment, at the end of season two, he doesn't realize it, but he's responsible for the whole world figuratively coming to an end around him. It's not deus ex machina, there's another term we were talking about, Lucifer ex machina, "Devil from the machine" -- it's the opposite. It almost could feel kind of random, but it's not. It's a butterfly effect. All these gears have been turning, this particular outcome was stuff Walt put into motion a long time ago by choosing to cook crystal meth."
"The plane-crash wasn't a cop-out. It was symbolic. It was hyperbole - it signified the devastation Walt has caused."
And therefore it didn't belong in this show as we've come to know it for 19 and most of a 20th episode. If random acts of symbolic magic are now part of show, I don't give a shit about it anymore. We can't take the previous gritty, realistic tone seriously anymore knowing that the writers could suddenly pull something completely absurd out of thin air like this that completely contradicts the previous setting and tone of the show.
hantamouth, I get that the crash is a metaphor and the point is in the coincidence - the interconnectedness of people and all, like with the movie, Crash.
Still, I like the realism of the show so this was..., out of the blue.
Synaptic, yeah I don't mind that they spent an entire episode on Jesse grieving, that is necessary I think. Also, symbolism is fine and can really add some fun to a story line but should not be a substitute for one. Some of the discussions about symbolism and possible story lines for next season on this forum are more interesting than the episode was. Not good!
Wow, What a Great Season finale! I like the way they used the opener from the episode 1 to start this last episode. Also liked the way all the Principle characters were involved again. We also are introduced to a new character Mr. Fix it, via Saul Goodman. There is way too much to cover in this episode, but in summary Walter White out by the Pool pondering how his world is crashing down around him and then hearing something and looking skyward to see a mid air collision of two Aircraft. This one man has impacted so many lives in both good and bad ways. How will Walter reconcile all of this?
Damn, last show of the season, GREAT SEASON, I can't wait till next season. Well Walts got the house to himself, it's time to cook!!!!! Hopefully Jessie kicks the "H" and gets his head back in the game. I'm sorry to see Janes character die off but she had it coming, (blackmailing Walt like that). She was soooo Hottttt!!! Oh well, I hope the third season is as intense as this last one.
tj, thanks for the "pink herring", also note Walt's pink shirt, the pink bedspread, the pink exact same bear on Jane's mural in the bedroom, the pink Kokopelli on the wall at the swimming pool. The writers fed into our analyses with that and another false hint: the plan to bury Jane in a dark blue dress with long sleeves and here comes Skyler is a short-sleeved top the very same color. I thought Skyler was a goner at that point. Walt's body being flopped around during surgery as Jane's had been while being bagged. They have given us more stuff to wonder about and no answers. Walt is finally seeing the damage he has caused; Jesse's grieving is unbearable, Skyler is leaving with the kids. We are left with no answers but have plenty of time for more theories.
I was wishing Flynn into a bodybag with that incessant beeping. "Like Tia's bell" Funny!
Funny..., but I was so keyed up through most of the show. Anxious about what would happen to the characters. The last time I was this worked up for a TV show it was the Sopranos' finale. And, in the end, my reactions is the same. As with the Sopranos, I get what they're going for but I'm a little dissatisfied.
Great episode!
Thanks AMC for this Super Intense TV series.
OK-I just signed up and I know I'm new - BUT
I have looked forward to this S2 finale all week-I am a 1/2 hour out (9:30pm PDT) - I flip to AMC to get set for this - has to be - best television EVER and there is for the 1st time in years NO FREAKING SIGNAL on COMCAST CABLE on CH 49 and hasn't been since 8:45 tonight-NOTHING BUT A SCRAMBLED SCREEN and ONLY ON AMC! I am all over the place trying to figure out if I can stream it online-or what? Anyone know what I can do?
Help?! Please?!
I love the way they can play with your imagination on this show. All of us had what we thought was the answer for the pink teddy bare. I for one thought that it had to do with Jesse finding out about, Walt being in the apartment. After witching it again you can see that the body's are from the planes.I loved the seen with Jesse and Walt in that crazy crack house or what ever that place was,nice job to the DP on that house, I was so skeeved out buy that place I know I'm having nightmares from it.LOL :D I have so much more to say, I thick I'm going to read some more and post again!
I kinda found this episode weak for a season finale. Well actually now that this season is over I have to say it's been kinda weak overall. I still love the show but the Sal Goodman character is kinda of "jump the shark" material and have found the show lacking ever since the episode he came on. As for the season finale, they really didn't leave me hanging craving more. I hope next season is better than this one. Still my favorite show on tv but thats not saying alot.
When does the next season start?
debc, If you can't get it live you can watch it tomorrow on Amazon's service for about a dollar or two.
Yeah, does anyone know when next season start?
Heisenberg is the god of hellfire, and he brings you... blue sky.
/Prodigy. old Prodigy. Like 1991.
Good job Deprave Dave for the plane call. Man did I feel sorry for Jesse. Finnally he falls in love and Vince Gilligan tortures the poor kid again. I think that Donald is pretty much done for awhile. Can't imagine what he must be feeling, daughter dead than causing those plane's to collide. He's gonna be in the loony bin for awhile. When he picked up the Apology girl pic, his look of utter defeat. So sad. The plane crash looked AWESOME!!! I'm still wondering what Walts glasses are doing in the evidence bags. Too funny with Gus meeting Hank. Skylar is one sneaky, scary, crawling up Walts ass bitch yo. Anna deserves an Emmy. Marie pointing to Walts cheeks trying to get him to smile while Walt Jr. waxes on about what a great dad he is. Priceless! The way Bryan worked his face during that. I was chuckling. Other than the plane passengers, I'm glad they haven't killed anyone else off. Good thing that Marie keeps secrets from Hank. Skylar tells her everything. Hank may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he's apparently sharper than the rest of the DEA agents. dhsmom,I hope your wrong. Though when I think about it the dress Skylar was wearing was the same color blue dress that Donald had picked out for Jane to be buried in.
Jesse in the spa was cool, even if he was so sad. The only reason I think this ending wasn't as sad as we thought it would be was because we had figured some of it out. Yea us. 4justice, who knows, maybe Wyoland someday. Though I'm trying to get to France and ABQ first. Gotta take that Zia tour sans the Ricin Burrito's. I have enough gas as it is.
To Water on Mars YO!
When Walt was recovering in the hospital after his
'fugue' state, the camera kept panning over a painting by his bed of a man rowing out to sea and his family (wife, son, daughter and dog) waving goodbye to him. Watching the episodes again, a lot of camera time was given to that picture. Ever since then, Walt and grown further and further from him family and it was inevitable that he would lose them.
I'm glad that none of them were killed. And I hope Skyler was far enough away in her car that she didn't get hurt. We won't know for sure til next season.
This is the best tv show ever. Kudos to the writers, the actors, the cinematographer, the editors, the stylists and whoever picks the awesome music. (Rewatching Season 1 I noticed that when Crazy 8 ran into the tree the lyrics were 'you knock me out' I had a good laugh over that.) Rewatching these shows is such a pleasure - all the details are perfect and perfectly executed and on each viewing I find something new. thankyou BB
SystemError, I'm with you, but I have seen shows turn it around and get back on track (Lost). Maybe with the wife out of the picture, or possibly even dead, Walt can start to explore his dark side a little more (like the side that let Jane die). He needs more of a catalyst to get there I think. I was hoping to see that in this episode but hopefully they will start off next season that way. I just don't see what other story line makes sense at this point.
Hey barlow-thanks for the calming effect-I am running out to a local hang w/SAT-they'll either have it on or when they see me-then hear me-I'll get it on AMC-18 minutes from now-if not I have to stay off blog-I know you guys already saw it-right?
I see some people are disappointed by the way Season 2 ended. I don't see a reason for disappointment at this point. This ending will not be fully explained or understood until we see the early parts of Season 3, which will allow us to see the ending of Season 2 as part of the big picture, and judge it from that perspective.
debc, no problem, yeah you should probably stay off this forum until you see the episode. Enjoy the show!
I wasn't impressed with the ending at all. The whole series started good, seem to have been using a lot of easy solutions for plot twists. Seems like Saul "knows someone" who can solve about any problem they have. And this plane crash is sort of "out of the blue" so to speak.
Very disappointed.
I love that people hate the unpredictable,All we do is ask for a show that will make us thick.A show that is going to make you feel like you have an idea of whats going on and what will happen,and then they get you.So think about it,This season is just the layout, now the show is off and running. Walt has to move out. Jesse is in that "sick rehab" witch I would live in even if I wasn't on drugs. They both need to move,I don't need to spell this out,But that's what we wont.More freedom, less seeking around.Maybe even a few stand alone episodes!
This is just the start, come on when you first herd the premise for this show how long did you think it would take to establish everything!
AdeL77: Right on sir!
Hey guys, I love reading this forum... and I must admit that many of you pick up on symbolism and meaning that really just blows past me. The reason I watch it, because unlike anything else on TV, I'm in the passenger seat of a racing car. All I have to say is that if I continue reading all the great posts on here until the airing of Season 3 Episode 1 - I will go absolutely insane.
Think not thick! lol:P
Adel77, I think the problem is that a show should deliver on a season finale. They don't have to give away the whole gig but I think that plane crash was just a little to detached/contrived. The main character seems to be headed for a major emotional break. Atleast I hope he is because he is no longer all that likeable. I think he needs to become Heisenburgh or things will get boring.
To those out there who can't see the show tonight, it usually replays on AMC on Wednesday's. Check out the schedule. It may seem concieted but I'm reposting my hillbilly parody for those who didn't catch it in the last thread. What are we all going to do now. Pushing Daisies is done next week and no Mad Men till August? Yeesh.
To the tune of the Beverly Hillbillies
Let me tell you all a story bout a man named Walt.
Poor chem teacher, being broke his only fault.
Then one day he got diagnosed with C,
Then manufactured meth down in Albaquerque.
Crystal Blue
Majic Yo!
SCONTAAAAA!!!!!
Next thing you know old Walts a millionaire,
Cops and Banger's want a piece of him and he don't fuckin care.
Killin junkie bitches is the way its gotta be,
to protect his home and family in his territory.
New Mexico,
Swimming Pools,
Tortoise Bombs
Its time to say goodbye to Walt and all his freaky kin.
And Jesse would like to thank you bitches for fuckin droppin in.
You're all invited back next season to AMC
to have a heapin bowlfull of their hospitality.
Bitches Yo!
Load it HO!
Fire it up now, ya hear?
ut the schedule.
This show is for people that pick and pick and pick!
It sounds so wrong. but it's really a show for smart people.I tried show others and they looked at me like I was crazy for loving the shit out of this show!
tweeders1: Nice :)
Anyone else notice the Ouroboros on Jane's table when her dad was looking through her things? Wiki Ouroboros... has a lot to do with the show.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros
Anyone else notice the Ouroboros on Jane's table when her dad was looking through her things? Wiki Ouroboros... has a lot to do with the show.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros
Jesse trying to do CPR on Jane was hard to watch
Jesse just sobbing and holding Walt was hard to watch
the surgery scene was hard to watch
I liked the ending but I was glad I didn't have to spend another 15minutes with my heart in my stomach
Skyler has to be dead. There's no other way forward... with her out of the way Walt can continue his nefarious deeds. The other way out would be for him to become a witness.
I believe this was a climatic episode to an ending of a great season. The only personal antipathy that managed to creep into my psyche, and this has nothing to do with the producers, writers, or director of the show, was the way Skyler reacted to her absurd conclusion over how Walter had managed to pay for the surgery. She is really acting like a spoiled brat; just because she couldn't figure out how the surgery was paid for, it does not excuse her to go apoplectic on Walter and run away from the home.
It is not as if Walter was cheating on her while, even to her admission, she refuted her own suspicion. Why couldn't she ask Walter where he got the money from rather than this whole weak a$$ accusatory piffle and then comes over mysteriously, whispering emotional jargon into Walter's ear. Walter has been doing all this for her and the kids. Her reaction was absolutely ridiculous and if my future wife even shows an ensemble of irrationality like Skyler did, she could be assured she would not be seeing the light of a day -- ingratiated psycho. *allow me to take a deep breath*
Another segment that lost interest in me was the part Walter went after rescuing Jesse. The whole fatherly over-blown sentimental empathy to save Jesse from the crack house was parochial and tiresome. But I suppose it was necessary in order to keep him for the next season. Now Gus knows way too much about Walter's situation, not as if he couldn't had found out about it, as he is an astute and observant man. But now he can squeeze Walter's balls even harder to get a few more golden eggs. If Walter by any chance decides to stop cooking, with all the people he has involved himself with, it would be almost next to impossible to quit at this point. It would be interesting to see how the writers manage to incorporate Walter's reluctance to continue his drug enterprise.
I am just hoping Skyler comes to her goodie-tooshie senses and gives Walter some credit.
that dude above who's cable is out I am Sad for you man!
I can only imagine, i looked forward to this night all week.
I haven't check iTunes for BB - but have wondered if it was there.
I think the season one discs are great to watch i watch part of an episode almost every night before i turn off the light and sleep.. i have NO IDEA why i do that except this show kicks ass! as most of us know! addictive - no pun intended..
i have a stupid question if anyone wants to answer.
what is smoking Meth like? is it like the stuff a friend of mine used, back in 1990 called 'crank' that she snorted and got all paranoid? is it the same thing (Crank?) why are there so many shit chemicals put into it by these cooks?
I know these are BAD questions but i was curious...
I was working a a real career when "Crack" was popular and fortunately for me i never got hooked on anything other than in my youth (late 70's) with; Pot....
ps; the bay's hat in opening scene is pink also. i am gonna have to look up this PINK=DEATH concept....
The senerio with the plane and the stuffed animal was attached to the bar scene from last week .They are showing how connected people are The plane crash having been caused by jessies girlfriends dad due to his grief and being unable to concentrate at work. Im betting the bodies will turn out to be someone who came from the plane also.Its like good ole Walt is going to have to turn back into Heisenburgh , hes lost his other life .. We all know its not going to end well , but I had hoped they wouldnt go completely South with this awesome series...just trying to squeeze more seasons out of it but who knws at this rate ..they just might try. And poor Jessie..he has gotten the s--t end of the stick since he got involved with Walt. Still love this show. Anyone knw when they are airing the 3rd season? Im hanging in there for it..It took them almost 2 yrs before they aired the 2nd. Right? Hope not tht long this time
I'm going to go crazy waiting ten months for the next season!
Danielle: one man. now I have to watch it one more time.And look for that! And so much more, 2 time is not even almost enough!
I have a question many of you can probably answer. If you buy the DVDs of the show, do you get extras? Aside from uncensored language (which in itself would be a blessing--try watching Deadliest Catch on regular TV--it's like listening to an old radio that keeps shorting out). I've seen camera angles from the still photos that don't appear on the episodes. Do you get anything like that?
Hey guys, I love reading this forum... and I must admit that many of you pick up on symbolism and meaning that really just blows past me. The reason I watch it, because unlike anything else on TV, I'm in the passenger seat of a racing car. All I have to say is that if I continue reading all the great posts on here until the airing of Season 3 Episode 1 - I will go absolutely insane.
Great ending--those writers sure know how to mess with our heads! I think the message for BB is, "Expect the unexpected."
Aaron Paul totally deserves an Emmy!
Can't wait till next season.
Hey guys, I love reading this forum... and I must admit that many of you pick up on symbolism and meaning that really just blows past me. The reason I watch it, because unlike anything else on TV, I'm in the passenger seat of a racing car. All I have to say is that if I continue reading all the great posts on here until the airing of Season 3 Episode 1 - I will go absolutely insane.
Another thing I notice a lot of people complain about and that is Skyler might end up dying while the plane debris is showered on her and the baby while driving. The writers will never take out the family as they are the reason for Walter to continue his unintended escapade and pursuit of acquisition of money through drug trafficking. Remember, Walter started this whole thing because he wanted to leave his family some wealth in case the cancer wins over his life. Read Vince's interview about this episode and season 3:
http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/05/breaking_bad_vince_gilligan_se.html
What make you say 10 Mouths Sclass12?
That fuckin' face that Bryan Cranston makes when Marie tells him to smile is one of the funniest things he's ever done! :) This episode was just a cliff-hanger... good call on the airplane notion. I always think of THE HAND THAT ROCKS THE CRADLE when I see Jane's dad, (no glove). Gus, is the man... but I'm afraid that SOMEONE was on that plane.... and I'm gonna have to go with Saul on this one. I could be wrong, this show is very unpredictable. They better not wait a million years to release the season 2 dvd, cause I have to look forward to now is award season... Good job, to all!!
is it me or are there more commercial on this late BB episode? some of them are different than, the prime time slot and they suck...
Lyvix: I think we all know by now that Walter is doing this for more then his family! They kinda let that out when he told those 2 guy's to get out of his town.He like's it.He like it a lot!:)
i think ted will end up helping out walt on the whole money situation, and how he got the money to pay for the treatment. a possibility.
I don't see where the story line is going. Is it enough to just be unpredictable? I think they may have to play the brother in law card soon. As in the brother in law figures out what Walt has been up to. I can't see them just bringing back the Cancer so that he needs more money and starts cooking again. I think they got away from the premise that makes the show work too soon.
Wait a second, here....WHY did Walt leave almost half a million dollars behind at Jesse's apartment after he witnessed Jane die? That doesn't make sense to me, how did he know that Jesse wasn't going to die also and leave all that money to go sit in evidence? I thought that's why he went back there in the first place?
We know he left it because it was there when Saul's guy cleaned the apartment and collected it and gave it to Saul to hold for Jesse.
This has me buggin because the writing and editing has been pitch perfect on this show. That is so out of character for Walt, since the money was essentially blackmailed by Jane, and she was out of the picture....oh, wait I SEE!! If Walt would have taken the money then Jesse would have figured out Walt had come back!! He might even have blamed Walt for her death! So, I guess that's why Walt left the money behind, to cover that he was even back there. Any thoughts???
Oh, and the cops are calling the meth "BLUE SKY" and Skyler has been dressed in blue in each episode and packs alot of blue clothing when she's leaving to go to Marie's......brilliant pallet coloring and writing, again!
And Jane's Mom is telling her Dad to get her yellow dress, and she died in a room awash in yellow on yellow sheets...more pallet!
Damn, what am I gonna do until next year?
And Hank is def. gonna think something is up when skyler spills the news..its just a matter of time hank finds out, and i think it will be very soon.
Walt is bettor off without Skyler. Maybe Saul can fix him up with someone who will appreciate him. Skyler is just way too controlling and self absorbed. Doesn't seem to mind going after a boss that cooks the books. You go Walt! I hope when the end comes, he's unapologetic.
just watching this a second time... anyone else notice, in the mural behind jane's bed, the pink teddy bear floating through the air???
does anyone know when they shoot this show? is all done in the winter or cool months? i assume they are not shooting down there in the heat of the summer!?
I was just thinking,If Hank is thrown off the case and someone new get's it.They would put together the peaces s faster then Hank would!
biitchie: Yes, if Walt had taken the money Jessie would have knowing he came back. Walt didn't go back for the money, he went back for Jessie.
vallen: I saw the pink teddy bear on the mural, but wasn't sure if it's the same one...
I totally thought Walt was going to wake up during his surgery.
I like how he wore a pink sweater to match the teddy bear.
Now what? Sunday 10:00pm next week nothing man!
pink in def not a good color for walt
Bitchie, I think the reason that Walt didn't take Jessie's money with him is that Jessie would freak out even more than he did. Also Walt in good conscience couldn't keep Jessie's money away from him which he would have had to do because if he told Jessie he had his money, Jessie would figur out that Walt was there earlier and either saw Jane die, or saw her after she was dead and didn't do anything about it. Walt can't afford to be on Jesse's bad side right now. Jesse could crack out of guilt any minute and has the power to take both of them down. Something that I picked up today about the division of funds between Walt and Jesse. Walt told Jesse that Sauls cut for laundering was 20%. Its actually 17%. Walts already not keeping on the up and up with Jesse.
Not only was the pink teddy bear falling from the sky in the mural on the wall.
Jane was falling from the sky in the mural as well.
Connect all this with the oroborus (sp) drawing on her desk....It is like Jane had a premonition or a vision of what was to come
some like to argue about this but they are wrong.
Meth = Crank same thing just one is a purer form. Crank doesn't smoke as good as Meth does in it's Crystal form.They use different and more chemicals to make it because they cant get the supply of what they used before.
Man Walt was just waiting for Jesse to call and tell him about Jane, that was evil.
I loved how Jane's Dad picked up the picture of Apology Girl. I was actually thinking about that just before he picked it up.
The mural over Jane's bed was pretty cool.
Did you notice how Jane was gonna be buried in blue and how Skylar was wearing the exact same color too
That preview of the episode a few weeks back showed the teddy bear and body bags in Walt's driveway. Seems a little bizarre to have those bags be for his family, so I'm not buying that...yet. Great show. AMC has a real hit here.
Props to: DepraveDave...you da MAN! Way to go, on deciphering that!! =) *stands up & applaudes Dave!*
OMG, Aaron Paul did an amazing job, of portraying his grief, over Janes' death!!! It was so heart-wrenching, to watch! We found ourselves, crying along, with him, as well as, for him!!! ='(
Even though Gus, acts all cool-&-calm, like he's got an "Ice-Chest"...you KNOW that, after seeing that pic of Walt, on the donation jar, at Hanks' office...that certain, specific parts of his body, are "drawing-up", right now!!! YIKES!!!!
We CAN NOT wait, until next season!!! Argh!!!
best episode yet.Jesse's lucky to have Walt.Skyler will chill out when she sees the $$$$
Blue Runner; Thanks for the info - so back in the day when my friend was doing "crank" that was a 'Better' quality form of what they call Meth Now? except CRYSTAL is for smoking?
also aren't truck drivers ( as a stereotype) use meth to be on long haul road driving and some of the characters are skinny, like my friend was?. similar to the heroin shooting gallery?
So you don't think skyler and the baby were on the plane
and speaking of Skylar - why is she so rightous about the $$$$$$$??
maybe just looking for a reason to split, but i would think - in most cases money would talk.
Prediction for season 3:
Ted's book cooking comes to light, and Skylar is implicated. Walt gets Saul to intervene somehow to clear Skylar and send Ted up the river. Walt is forced to come clean at least partially to Skylar, who reluctantly becomes complicit. In order to retain his sympathetic character (as opposed to simply turning to the dark side), Walt gets pressured by Gus to increase production, at which point Jesse is now no longer superfluous. Having made his 480 thousand though, Jesse, now clean, has an epiphany and wants to get out and reconcile with his family. After Walt meets Gus' production quota, Hank, who is as yet unable to close in on Heisenberg, manages to ID Gus and take him out of the equation, leaving Walt and Jesse sitting on a huge quantity of product with no distribution. Enter the Mexican cartel.
Am I the olny one that thinks skyler and the baby were on the plane
Also of note: during Walt's surgery, they first remove two (relatively) small tumors, two lonely little blips on the radar, and then BANG, they toss the BIG OL' TUMOR, the huge Cancer from which the small ones either evolved or just part of. Kind of like how Walt and Jesse are two tiny nodes on the big disease of Meth addiction.
The two lonely blips on the radar again become significant with Jane's dad as a air traffic controller...colliding and raining a shitstorm down on ABQ
VALLEN: Great catch on the pink teddy bear in Jane's mural, I'd love to find a still photo of that mural to study further.
I love Vince's brilliant use of distinct color pallets for each episode!!
Congrats to Deprave Dave aka the Windtalker...LOL
I guess it was right under our noses all along. I also have to say because you did crack the code that this episode did leave me with an anti climactic feeling because I knew what was going to happen already. Except for the two dead bodies. But if those were two passengers in the plane, I would think that hitting the ground from that altitude would have pretty much liquified them upon impact that there wouldn't be much of a body to cover up. Oh well.
the best scene tonight though was Skyler busting Walt. As much as I hate her stupid ass she nailed him on it big time and he couldn't lie to her anymore. Sucks for Walt though.
He only did this for the future of his family and now his family has abandoned him. In the process so many people died and now this plane crash which he is indirectly involved in has destroyed so many other family lives.
When he was sitting out by the pool when the plane crash it reminded me of Michael Corleone at the end of Godfather II. He made the big meth score but at what cost? In the end he was all alone. He will really latch on to Jesse now more than ever.
So many ideas and possibilities for next season that it will make your head spin. All in all this was an excellent season for this show. I wished the finale was at least a half hour longer to give us more to fill our belly's with but we will now all have to go into Rehab.
I look forward to hearing and seeing all of your comments next year guys and gals. Stay healthy. Until then.......Ciao!!
Hey guys, I love reading this forum... and I must admit that many of you pick up on symbolism and meaning that really just blows past me. The reason I watch it, because unlike anything else on TV, I'm in the passenger seat of a racing car. All I have to say is that if I continue reading all the great posts on here until the airing of Season 3 Episode 1 - I will go absolutely insane.
bluesplayer: She said she was going to spend the weekend at Hank and Marie's, so I don't think she was on the plane. Plus, more information about that is in NJ's article linked above.
cast55
that is a serious prediction, the last part about Mexi cartel is scarey, in light of current real world shit on boarder.
but as the song goes; "SEND LAWYERS, GUNS, and MONEY"
I bet it will not be so easy to get jesse, to re up on the cooking and you are right about his change of heart. I am not sure if his family will take him back.
after seeing Walt's photo in the DEA office Gus will have some grand designs on Walt for sure.
god father 3 exactly
I dont know if you would call it a better quality just made differently and was mainly snorted or main lined. You could smoke crank and people did but it would burn brown and yucky.That's because crank was always cut with something like caffine to double the quanity. Then when the crystal got out there people found that it burned clear and would crystalize back after heat was removed. Now all anybody does is smoke it and no ones wants anything less than 100% pure.
here's my understanding as a drug counselor: speed (aka crank) is a classification of drugs, under which crystal methamphetamine falls. "crystal," "meth," "crank," "speed," and about a hundred other nicknames can all apply to crystal methamphetamine; the specific implications of each slang word vary over different regions and different groups of people. you can shoot meth, smoke it, or snort it up your nose.
many truckers have used various types of speed (especially meth) to keep awake on long drives. i've even read accounts of kids who roam the sides of highways and actually drink from piss-bottles, hoping that they've come from truckers high on meth... supposedly you can get high from this? but it seems unlikely - or at least not worth it!
What about this lol.....Jesse's girlfriends dad was helping Gus move his product around the country by airplanes. Seeing as how he directed air travel, he could easily help gus smuggle drugs in using planes. After his daughter dies from over dosing on drugs, he doesn't even cry. I think thats because he feels responsible because he helps bring in the very drugs his daughter uses. Feeling guilty and mad, he directs one of Guses drug planes so that it crashes. Look at the fall out crew that responded, all dressed in gas masks, probably because they found out it was crystel meth that was on the plane that crashed. Also look at the stuffed animal that fell into Walters pool. Gus probably had the crystel meth stuffed into those stuffed animals.
The scene were Walt and "The Cleaner" go to recuse Jesse reminds me of a quote from "Dante's Inferno".The final words of the inscription on the Gate of Hell."'Abandon every hope, you who enter.'" Talk about a group of "lost souls". This same idea reminds me of a scene from Francis Ford Coppola's "Apocalypse Now(Redux), where Captain Willard(Martin Sheen) and the PBR Street Gang come up to Do Lung Bridge, and the "lost souls" soliders jump in the water, swimming toward the boat pleading, "Take me home!" Do Lung Bridge symbolizes the Gate of Hell, and "'Abandon every hope, you who enter.'"
so skyler cant lie
makes no point in plot trajectory to eliminate Skylar and baby via the plane crash. unless it propels Total BADNESS to an extreme level that makes for a shorter set of episodes in a series over all. but what do i know, i am getting sleepy.
but my point is i do not see the profit in Skylar being on the plane. she has more work to do in making Walts life hell and break bad even further or; to a road of redemption.
bluesplayer: The NJ interview that Lyvix linked above also talks about who is in the body bags.
Are you kidding me? That was freaking awesome!!!
I love how this show constantly rackets up the tension. There is never any let up, and I feel awful for everyone involved, esp. Walt, at least once an episode.
The plane crash was insane. What a red herring the whole poolside thing was. Like it was Walt and Jesse lying by the Aztec in the driveway, but we all knew that was too easy.
Also, I think Gus is going to want to kill Walt. I thought he might already, given how careful he is -- it's really the best solution to get rid of a potential leak. And now that Gus knows Walt is connected to the DEA!!! He's definitely coming after Walt and possibly Saul too.
What... a... show.
yes if you use meth you could pee into a bottle and after a few days if you looked at it there would be dope that you can see settled at the bottom.
no shit
OMG! I have never been so on the edge of my seat before in my life!
Now, that the season is over there is something that is REALLY bothering me!
Regarding the pink stuffed animal that apparently fell from the plane, did anyone else notice that the SAME stuffed animal was laying on top of the pool cover of the De Anza Motor Lodge in the beginning of episode 12, where, coincidentally, Walt not only did the "exchange" (that we never got to see), and that Jesse ended up at later after his girlfriend died?
Does this mean that someone on that plane is someone that was at the De Anza Hotel?
Also, why did Walt remove the spare tire from his car??
OMG! I have never been so on the edge of my seat before in my life!
Now, that the season is over there is something that is REALLY bothering me!
Regarding the pink stuffed animal that apparently fell from the plane, did anyone else notice that the SAME stuffed animal was laying on top of the pool cover of the De Anza Motor Lodge in the beginning of episode 12, where, coincidentally, Walt not only did the "exchange" (that we never got to see), and that Jesse ended up at later after his girlfriend died?
Does this mean that someone on that plane is someone that was at the De Anza Hotel?
Also, why did Walt remove the spare tire from his car??
OMG! I have never been so on the edge of my seat before in my life!
Now, that the season is over there is something that is REALLY bothering me!
Regarding the pink stuffed animal that apparently fell from the plane, did anyone else notice that the SAME stuffed animal was laying on top of the pool cover of the De Anza Motor Lodge in the beginning of episode 12, where, coincidentally, Walt not only did the "exchange" (that we never got to see), and that Jesse ended up at later after his girlfriend died?
Does this mean that someone on that plane is someone that was at the De Anza Hotel?
Also, why did Walt remove the spare tire from his car??
Jerry - It would be much safer for Gus to ship the drugs by truck than to risk flying them as cargo. I doubt that ATC's have access to the actual planes as they aren't on the ground. Also about Gus not crying. I have a daughter like Jane and after ten years of trying your hardest fighting an uphill battle with addiction with a loved one your feelings tend to get numb. But the fear pain and guilt is enormous for a parent.
What a shame. This last episode killed the whole season. Oops, sorry -- it killed the whole show.
I don't think I'll be watching Season 3.
More predictions:
Hank will eventually discover Heisenberg's identity. Walt will make a deal with him to keep silent in exchange for feeding him information to advance his career. Walt then has to start turning in key players, but instead of doing so and getting out of the business, somehow stumbles into the role of an even bigger kingpin.
jerry: that is an insane idea about the plane carrying Gus's drugs and Jesse's girlfriend's dad being in on it, etc. So implausible I actually like it.
Everything is connected in this show. It's so intelligent and well-thought out that I would put anything past the producers/writers. Who knows what the plane crash is about, really.
No, Skylar wasn't on that plane. Pay attention folks!
Anyway, wow. I'm already going through withdrawals like Jesse from this show not being on with fresh episodes for another 9 months (or whatever).
Emmys, Golden Globes for sure. Vince Gilligan: X-Files and now this? How good is he?
Any chance that Walt can somehow set up Gus as "Heisenberg"? Come on, the profile would fit. Intelligent, rich, a perfect cover. Wouldn't you buy Gus as Heisenberg if you were DEA? I would.
Fulminated Mercury: The pink bear appeared in many places in different episodes, so it doesn't mean that someone on the plane was at the De Anza hotel. There is a thread titled "The Pink Stuffed Animal" in this forum that talks about the different places the bear appeared in. It's also mentioned the article at NJ that is linked above.
pg1978: you are officially in the 1 percentile.
Clues to next season:
1. What were the destinations and departures of the two planes being controlled by Jane's dad?
2. Marie was going to be picking up Walt Jr from school that day.
3. If Gus was on one of those planes, that opens the door for Walt and Saul to become BIGTIME KINGPINS. Remember Gus owns lots of Pollos Hermanos all over the place, and has wide reaching tentacles.
4. If Gretchen or her husband were on either of those planes, could get interesting as some benefactor monies coming Walt's way.
5. Walt and Jesse concoct a bigger, badder drug than Blue Sky using Walt's genius, and involve Marie to steal the special chemical ingredients from the hospital that she works at!!!
Editing that bugged me in this episode:
1. Walt and Jesse in the drug house..first Walt's patting his head, change angle he's petting his back, change angle back to patting his head.
2. Skyler packing, each shot she has different and inconsistant clothing in her hand, first it's blue, then it's black....however, the ACTING in this scene alone is Emmy-worthy!!
3. When Skylar tosses the baby in the back seat of the stationwagon along with her luggage. I know she just wanted to get away from Walt, but come on, she didn't even buckle the seat in, she just tossed it.
Editing I LOVED: How all the bald guys at the drug house looked like Walt!
If anyone finds a still of Jane's mural, please post a link!!
@pg1978. I can see where you are comng from with that statement. You have to watch were you take the script, or you can end up "painting yourself into a corner". A good example of this was Season 4 of "Weeds"-"On the Border". The writers boxed themselves in at the end of Season 3, and Season 4 became far fecthed and ridiculous.
Those who found this episode as a let down fail to recognize the main point of a season finale. Its to leave you hanging wanting more, very possible with out having to kill off a character or doing something outrageous for the sake of outrageous. And we have no clue if debris kills a main character or not. But the implications put into motion by Walter are endless, along with being on the brink of losing his family and purpose he started cooking. Left on edge and wanting more only this time I know it's a lot longer than a week I'll have to wait. PLEASE, not until next year. All we need is a little taste, you know, come on were hurting guys. just a fix to hold over
If Hank can't figure this out next season, he's the dumbest DEA agent ever.
Did anyone also notice during the scene before Walt goes into surgery and Skyler asks him about his cell phone. Of course Skyler is STILL skeptical and more so when Walt answers "which one". BUT, his son comes to Walt's rescue and tries to cover the mistake on Walts part. Do you suppose the son has some inclination that Dad has some secrets but doesn't bring it out in the open and trying to save good ole' Dad?
kafka, how in the world did you figure out that Donald was an air traffic controller?
And remember, something broke Walt's windshield so possibly any visitor coming up the drive way was hit too. Maybe someone like Gus or people Gus hired to take out Walt thinking he is a Narc for DEA!? Oh many a possibility and so great the time to ponder.
Lindas555: You are right on about Flynn covering for Walt and suspecting that something more is going on.
I think people are reading too much into the planes crashing. As Vince Gilligan has said, it's just to show how far reaching Walt's bad behavior has been to the world around him.
IIM SO MAD I MISSED THE CONTEST!!! PLEASE HAVE ANOTHER
this is film history i love everything about the filming story is impecable
Great call, DepraveDave on the hidden code through the episode titles!!
I felt like we only saw half of the episode. As if this was shot in a 2-hour format, and they only gave us the first hour, and the second hour will be the opener for Season 3. I don't think we've seen anywhere near all of the plane crash.
To see a great movie on what it would seem like to be in a plane crash check out Fearless with Jeff Bridges, Rosie Perez and John Turturro. It's pretty harrowing.
bigfreakinnaz I agree with you about Skyler - I think she wants to head straight into the arms of Ted. What married woman with a newborn leaves her husband? That was pretty extreme behavior on Skyler's part, no matter what her suspicions about where the money came from. C'mon......I think she's been mulling about Ted and leaving Walt for a while, and this gave her the exit door. I think Skyler has wanted out since she went to work for Ted. That whispering in Walt's ear during the confrontation was kind of creepy. There is kind of a creepy side to Skyler's behavior sometimes, almost like she's lost it (maybe she has). What's more problematic is what she tells Hank and Marie.
It's funny that Skyler is obviously sure whatever Walt has done is illegal and she doesn't want to know, yet she forces Ted to confess his illegal activities? Not quite sure why the difference between the two.
I certainly cried along with Jesse. That was so heartbreaking, and I just knew he would blame himself. Jesse has never had much emotionally in his life, and even Walt looked broke up when Jesse was crying in the shooting gallery. At the rehab retreat, Jesse looked like a completely broken soul. As bad as Donald, who was in complete shock and couldn't believe that the story of his girl had come to an end. That was painful to watch, too. It actually seemed more realistic that there was no physical or verbal confrontation between Donald and Jesse. When a person has been utterly levelled, they're usually speechless.
What happens to an air traffic controller when they've made an error like Donald has? I am asking because I don't know. Just curious.
Walt's surgery brought back bad memories. That last big chunk they removed was a lobe portion of his lung, I think, not a tumor - even though they did remove two little pea-sized tumors. I think they had said he was having some tumors removed and a lobectomy (my mother had the same kind of surgery on each lung). I think your lung is divided into lobes (3?), and they can remove a lobe at a time.
@Fulminated Mercury
I think the reason Walt got rid of the spare tire from his Aztek was that he needed a good place to stash the mountain of cash he'd gotten from the Gus deal, until Skyler and Flynn were out of the house and he could hide it discreetly.
I found the explanation for the "explosion" rather random and too much of a coincidence, especially on top of the coincidental meeting of Walt and Donald on the night of Jane's death. Still, I'll be there with bells on to watch next season's premiere.
Wait a second...Isn't Hank on his way over to help walt pack? Hank is going to end up being one of those bodies.
MINDoverFAITH: it's not exactly that the writers left me hanging wanting more -- I don't really want to see more, I've seen enough.
Come on, the airplane scene was ridiculous, it just stripped the show off any credibility whatsoever. I wasn't particularly picky about some other mishaps, like jumpstarting the RV by cranking an alternator (anybody with even the most basic background in high school physics knows that's completely impossible) -- but it was OK, it didn't interfere with the substance of the show too much. The plane crash is a completely different story.
There's obviously more than just the planes.
After the great opening scenes with Jesse, his character became pretty much undeveloped. We suspect that at least few weeks passed between Walt seeing Jesse in the rehab for the last time, and the crash scene -- but there's no mentioning of Jesse! It left me asking myself like WTF?
The scene with new donations coming to Walt Jr. website was stretched far too much. It also lead nowhere. What happened after the TV interview?
There was no buildup for Sky's decision to leave Walt -- what she did also somehow popped out of the blue.
That's all I can think of now -- but, seriously, after all the terrific job the writers did in the previous episodes of this season, the finale plain sucked.
Bitche....not a bad idea that Gretchen and her husband might have been on that plane. Their death could leave Walt some big dollars that could explain paying in full for the surgery to skyler...that is when Skyler is willing to listen to what Walt will tell her.
Do you think Walt will tell Skyler the real truth OR partially the truth, just enough to cover the use of the second cell phone?
This is the finest dramatic work of art I have ever seen. Be it films, theatre, or television, this is the most spectacular entertainment to date. If America needs to see what the failure of the War on Drugs has caused, they need look no further than this show. Walt is the symbol of all unassuming people who have been seduced by the unregulated, uncontrolled universe of organized crime fuelled by drugs. But, it is not only a statement on a matter of policy and morality. It is also a detailed portait of a failing marriage. It is a commentary on the folly of youth. It is an expose of the sordid underbelly of addiction. It is a glimpse into corruption at every level. It is a terse and biting knock at the disarray of the American Health care system. It is an emotionally devastating dissection of the family unit from several different angles. It is another in a fine line of creative endeavors that has taken on the difficult task of satirizing suburban life and does so perfectly. It is all of these things and more. It is the most provocative, complex and rewarding show ever broadcast on television.
Several years ago, a horrid, melodramatic film called Crash won the Oscar for best picture. It attempted to connect various characters and situations together to make a statement about the struggle between races for equality and acceptance. Here drugs and the criminal underworld act as an initial catalyst for a deeply felt, artful exposition of the human soul in all of its complexity. Where Crash, Magnolia, Short Cuts, or American Beauty succeeded ( and let me add that Crash fails on every count to feel the least bit genuine), Breaking Bad triumphs.
But don't view this simply as a pastiche of events...see it as the unfolding of a solitary decision....to sell a hard drug to help sustain his family after his death. A dark means to an end. Every man, woman and child has made a decision like this. Perhaps we have had a child as a result of a night of impulsive passion, unfurling a lifetime of changes, all based on a moment we decided to keep removing articles of clothing. Perhaps we have lashed out in anger, and escaped into a self destructive pattern of behaviour. Walt, Skyler, Flynn, Hank, Jesse, Jane...the entire cast of characters is a prism of the human condition.
One knows when they have witnessed great art when it conjures up emotions that cause a person to pause and reflect, to see this painful mosaic of life and identify with those elements that ring true in your own life. And simultaneously, it is supreme entertainment.
I pray that come Emmy time, the Academy is willing to reward Season 2 for what it is...a watershed moment in television and art in general and do their part to ensure that the public knows of it.
I have no hesitation proclaiming Breaking Bad as a modern masterpiece, alongside M.A.S.H and All In The Family as the best this or any genre has to offer.
I kind of thought after it was pretty much determined that plane crash happened, that it would be bodies from the sky.
Maybe not the pilot and co-pilot ..lol
But that happens all the time here, we're kind of used to it ;)
Anyway... Jesse deserves best actor and Walt best supporting actor
boy it's a long time till next season ;)
First: The FAA would never let a camera crew film in a real control room (hey, can we film a show of two planes crashing due to controller negligence?), as people are already too nervous when it comes to flying. Thus, the control room and equipment were all bogus. Second: if the controller's screen had been real, all sorts of alarms would have gone off, including warnings sent to the pilots telling them which way to pull their sticks in an emergency maneuver. Albuquerque may not be an international airport, but you'd think they'd have better equipment!?
A brave man dies just once, but a coward dies a thousand deaths. Walt should have been brave and taken his cancer death sentence like a man, instead a thousand others will have died by the time he's through. I thought the ending was too far-fetched.
Another thing that leaves me hanging..what happened to the RV where they made the meth?
I have a feeling Gus, now knowing about Walt and his health problems with cancer, will squeeze and squeeze Walt for more meth and if Walt refuses, Gus will threaten him with the possible blackmail of telling Hank. Did anyone see the look on Gus's face when he saw Walt's dontation jar???? Priceless and still keeping a straight face without any emotional gesture while talking with Hank. Now that is one good poker face man!
I KNEW James26 was right! And I agreed with him with the bear falling from the debris of the plane crash into the pool. So to all you naysayers James26 is the one and only true prophet!
Guess we'll have to wait 'till next season though to see where those bodies came from. I'm pretty sure those are just some of the bodies that were in the plane, or what's left of them. Also pretty sure an object or body hits Walt's car hence the broken windows all around. Boy I am so glad Skyler, the baby, and Walt Jr. are alright. Just hopefully none of that plane lands on them! And oh man, can't wait to see what Gus' reaction to finding out Walt's brother-in-law is in the DEA will be. Man oh man next season is going to be GOOD.
Well, the season finale wasn't what i expected, but i don't think it was disappointing. It was just laid back is all. It's too bad that Jesse's all butthurt and useless, but like he said , he 'deserves' everything that happens to him , for being a drug dealer not to mention messing with heroin.
I didn't really buy Walt being all fatherly towards Jesse, it seems they don't even really like each other, but i guess it's guilt over letting Jane die .
About the writing getting too 'magical' with the plane crash, yeah maybe, but not a lot about the whole show is realistic to begin with, and i think they were trying to make a point that all things are connected. When you peddle poison you bring down society as a whole.
Not to mention, damn, what do you think Walt's reaction will be when he finds out he was indirectly responsible for all those deaths?! The thing I think that is going to weigh on him the most is that there were children aboard those planes, hence the pink stuffed animal. He is never going to be able to look at his daughter the same way again I bet.
I was very disappointed that the people in the two body bags weren't regular characters. Does Walt even know that he caused the plane crash? It was very anti-climatic after the huge season long buildup...I definitely thought there would be something more with the cartel.
Amen dmallet...well written summary of this series. Vince Gilligan is a genius to get this series out on AMC and get the emotions all stirred up and people really seeing the world for what it has become.
Another item...What is Flynn going to do when he finds out Walt has already paid for his surgery and he has all the donation money to put towards the bill???? Flynn is going to wonder where dad paid for his surgery.
Bitchie, you mentioned: "during Walt's surgery, they first remove two (relatively) small tumors, two lonely little blips on the radar, and then BANG, they toss the BIG OL' TUMOR, the huge Cancer from which the small ones either evolved or just part of."
My roommate is a physician and she said they probably removed an entire lobe of the affected lung (might be "effect"--I always get them mixed up).
I still think the two body bags are passengers that fell out of the sky--geez how awful! I hate to bring this up, but remember 9/11? But maybe Skyler isn't going to Hank and Marie's. Maybe she's going to Ted . . .
AND YES, AARON PAUL SHOULD GET THAT EMMY!! He's been so fabulous. He said in a clip that he hopes Jesse goes all the way down the tubes because it'll be "fun" to play. God, man, have a heart. I don't think the rest of us can take that. And I hope he gets better movie offers than horror flicks--did anyone notice the coincidental character names? In Last House on the Left he played a character named Francis, and of course we had a Francis on Malcolm in the Middle.
I know we have some unhappy viewers here regarding the season finale, but I thought it was wonderful. Surviving till next season will be just the pits.
exactly, anything fictional is far-fetched. Otherwise episode one would have been the end of the season. I mean, a chemistry teacher gets cancer with a baby due, so happens his Bro in law is DEA but decides to cook meth with one of his former student he runs into on an out of the blue ride along. To me, the ending of season two is no more far-fetched than how the series began. If aliens abducted jesse or walt gained super powers from the chemicals yeah sure, far-fetched and pointless would be valid.
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Great episode and season. BB rocks!!! Hey fulminated mercury, Walt took the spare tire out and got rid of it because he was going to the hospital for the delivery of the baby and needed to cover his tracks as to why he wasnt there. Of course he was doing the meth deal remember.
You know, why wouldnt Skyler just pick up Walt Jr. from school, then take him to her sisters? If in fact she is staying there. Endless speculation
SOOOO DISAPPOINTED! The best thing about this episode was Walts new goatee. Skylar could get killed in a car crash and the show wouldn't lose a step.
I'm more interested in the concept that Walt/Jesse have cornered the meth market and are out of meth. Walt should let Saul take Jesse out with the Cleaner and live the remainder of his life never being discovered.
Gus having involvement with the DEA is an interesting plot twist aswell. Knowing that Walt is close to the DEA and Gus not being the type to get too close to the line he may want Walt "taken care of."
The ending to this episode was terrible. To build up the whole season with this huge "crime scene" type of setup at Walt's house only to be debris from a plane crash was simply the worst idea and whoever wrote that part should be fired.
15 minutes of this episode were intriguing, sadly the other 30 were a waste of time. Please do not continue to destroy, what started off as a phenomenally ground breaking show, in the next season.
I've always thought of myself as observant to detail, but the powers displayed by people posting on this thread (and previous ones) truly amazes me.
I agree the mid-air collision seemed contrived and gratuitous. It really doesn't follow from the plot, and is a let-down as 'the answer' to the on-going 'pink teddy bear in the pool' motif. All I can hope is that is plays substantially in the storyline for Season 3. Otherwise, its just nonsense.
Possible victims of the crash? Well, Gus seems to be the type who would have to travel a lot around the Southwest to manage his business. But with his wealth (both declared and undeclared) I would think he might have a private pilot's license and plane. Same with Gretchen and her husband, but I'm thinking Lear Jet.
Hank, Marie, Skylar: Nah. They weren't leaving town for the weekend.
Jesse's folks? Walt's mom? Saul? Perhaps, but not germaine to the main arc of the storyline.
I agree with whomever above who said it needs to evolve into a mechanism to bring Walt closer to his fate foreshadowed in "Negro y Azul" in the narcocarillo song. The Mexican cartel and Walt have a date. They just need an introduction.
Regarding the impending separation of Walt and Skyler, I think Skyler will use Walt's lies as an excuse to fall into the arms of Ted Beneke, illustrating in the end that Walt did the wrong things for the right reasons, but Skyler, while responding appropriately, did so for the wrong reasons. Then again, she is doing the same thing as Walt when it comes to helping Ted manipulate the books. The wrong thing (fraud) for the right reason (to save jobs and Ted's company).
In the end who is right, who is wrong?
IMO, The message of this show is NOT that everyone is a criminal, but rather, that best people, with the best intentions can do the worst things. In the end, even with all those good people doing things for good reasons, everything still goes to hell. People underestimate the far reaching consequences of rationalizing a bad action for a good reason.
Skyler has a tough choice to make: Mr. Meth Cooker or Mr. Tax Fraud. As the old American Express commercials used to say, What WILL she do?!
I figured Walt grew his goatee to alter his looks (though he won't give up the bald pate) after being splashed all over the internet, papers, and tv. He's gotta do something, he's not exactly anonymous.
Which will compel Gus to dump Walt out of the lower rung of his drug empire, I think.
That "we" : this board figured out the 737 down over Abq did take a bit of the edge off of the very end, but still it was interesting. I'm still too amped to write much, still reading all of the other posts.
One thing that did strike me was that Walt called Jesse 'Son' at the shooting gallery. And Jesse broke down in Walt arms in a way that only a son could do with a father. It had me crying for and with him. Not at all something that I expected from this episode. And then a few minute later I'm laughing hysterically at so many other things. The Ding of the Computer for each donation being the same Ding that Tuco's Tio made. Each Ding took a little more out of Walt each time, in both contexts. And I still haven't heard everything Gus had to say at the DEA office. Laughing too hard each time. It is so much fun to see Hank not getting it when all of the major players are under his nose.
Laid back? Dissapointed? Were we watching the same show??? I was on the edge of my seat the entire show! (and standing in front front of the TV in some parts)
Kudos! One of the best season finales I have ever watched!
They finally answered the question of where the pink bear came from, but that answer only creates much bigger questions! Brilliant job guys, but how do you expect me to wait until 2010 for the answers!??? You put a nice bow on the last season, wrapping things up nicely, while leaving the potential for lots of exciting things in the future. I assume you had to "sort of" wrap things up because season 2 had not been approved yet? I can only expect that the reason you left so many open questions hanging this time, is that season 3 has already been approved?
I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!
BTW, when can I expect the Season 2 DVDs to hit Netflix?
Also, I love the soundtrack in season 2 just as much as I did in Season 1! When do you plan to release the Breaking Bad OST CD?
Ramdom Thought for next season: Jesse won't be living back at "Jane's House" Because of the Memories, and Donald will likely kick him out.
Walt may not be living at home... At least not for a while. Will they end up sharing an apartment? A good Odd Couple storyline there that could end up tearing down their Father-Son relationship.
A bit more on the meth passing in urine. Crystal Meth does pass through in the urine unchanged. If you go to a Rave, or other parties where lots of people are tweeking, there are sometimes folks who don't have the bucks to buy their own, who are willing to take it freshly recycled. Good way to OD on it as you don't have much control over what dose you are getting that way.
We at Zia Tours are proud to annouce the addition of the White Household to the tour.
Our team of crack aerial photographers were able to locate the exact location.
They are used to spinning all around and losing their bearings.
Yet were able to pinpoint where Walt's begging Skyler in the driveway didn't work.
See the pool were Walt Jr. puked after Walt showed Hank who wears the pants in that neighborhood.
Special arrangements have been made for "Three Doors Down " to play ...
Why "Three Doors Down" you ask.. because he's Three Doors Down" from the corner... and we couldn't think of anything else
Other Tour groups may think they can find it. But don't accept anything but the genuine White Household.
Bald50: Truly disgusting commentary. Thank you for that (funny, but disgusting).
With Jesse needing new digs and now being flush with cash, he could buy his aunt's house outright from his asshole parents. Plenty of room for Walt to crash and they wouldn't have to pay storage fees for the R.V. (although having it in a separate locale does have its legal advantages).
Season 2 was bad as fuck from start to finish. You guys are crazy! LOL. I have a feeling season 3 will be more of the same if not better! I thougt the finale was dope as hell but hey, I guess everybody has different tastes. What can ya do?
Season 3 info is already out.
To take the heat off Heisenburg. Walt changes his name to Oscar Madison.
Jesse for fear of Don changes his to.. you guessed it
Felix Unger
Well all the clues are there for Hank when he gets the reports about whose the capable cook in town for that quality. What happens when Skye starts blabbing about why they are breaking up to Hanks old lady? Can Hank add 2 n 2? The walls are closing in on the Prof !!!
By jamm54 on June 1, 2009 4:04 AM
Skyler has a tough choice to make: Mr. Meth Cooker or Mr. Tax Fraud. As the old American Express commercials used to say, What WILL she do?!
Hilarious.
By jamm54 on June 1, 2009 4:14 AM
Which will compel Gus to dump Walt out of the lower rung of his drug empire, I think.
I don't think that will happen, not with the primo product that Walt is able to produce. I can see him though having Walt kidnapped and duct taped up, thrown in a van and taken to a dark warehouse or basement somewhere and questioned by Gus as to why the hell he didn't tell him his brother-in-law works for the DEA.
By Bald 50 on June 1, 2009 4:17 AM
One thing that did strike me was that Walt called Jesse 'Son' at the shooting gallery. And Jesse broke down in Walt arms in a way that only a son could do with a father.
Yeah i liked that part too.
It is so much fun to see Hank not getting it when all of the major players are under his nose.
Yep.
By Fulminated Mercury on June 1, 2009 4:21 AM
Laid back? Dissapointed? Were we watching the same show??? I was on the edge of my seat the entire show! (and standing in front front of the TV in some parts)
Kudos! One of the best season finales I have ever watched!
Yep. I agree dude. LOL.
By drhenry66 on June 1, 2009 4:43 AM
Bald50: Truly disgusting commentary. Thank you for that (funny, but disgusting).
I agree, that was pretty nasty Baldy. Jeez, I actually envisioned someone drinking another persons piss, eww. LOL.
You guys need to get your asses over to http://greymatter.forumotion.net/. And tell James 26 too! Peace & Goodnight!
"There was no buildup for Sky's decision to leave Walt -- what she did also somehow popped out of the blue."
Did you notice what she asked the doctors during the post-surgery meeting? She asked them if Walt was capable of living independently. I knew right then she was planning to leave Walt.
Dependent what Sky tell her sister. Hank should be able to piece it together. But how much will Marie tell Hank anyway.
Skylar probably thinks Gretchen is lying about not having a affair with Walt.
But can she sell out Walt about the money and not say what she knows about Ted?
I can see Hank and Walt almost bonding closer, with a common enemys ... their wife's ;)
Now Gus may see the goose that lays the golden egg with Hank being Walt's bro-in-law. As much as Hank likes to blab, If Hank and Walt get tighter , Walt can pump him for all kinds of info.
Bald50 , thanks for that tasty tidbit of information about the urine. ;)
In The Pink
So Davies wrote: ‘This leaves me in the pink’.
Then scrawled his name: ‘Your loving sweetheart, Willie’.
With crosses for a hug. He’d had a drink
Of rum and tea; and, though the barn was chilly,
For once his blood ran warm; he had pay to spend.
Winter was passing; soon the year would mend.
But he couldn’t sleep that night; stiff in the dark
He groaned and thought of Sundays at the farm,
And how he’d go as cheerful as a lark
In his best suit, to wander arm in arm
With brown-eyed Gwen, and whisper in her ear
The simple, silly things she liked to hear.
And then he thought: to-morrow night we trudge
Up to the trenches, and my boots are rotten.
Five miles of stodgy clay and freezing sludge,
And everything but wretchedness forgotten.
To-night he’s in the pink; but soon he’ll die.
And still the war goes on—he don’t know why.
That was a poem written by siegfried sassoon, i thought it fit well.
Awesome season finale, can't wait till next season:)
Almost two hundred fifty comments already. I haven't read any yet, just want to get my thoughts out.
Still my favorite show, but I was expecting much more of a different type of cliffhanger to end it. Not surprised that Donald was an air traffic controller and that there was a plane issue. It has been talked about at great lengths based on the name of the show and some of you had much of it almost dead on. But what surprises me and I keep thinking it over, did he actually intentionally steer those two planes together on purpose? All that air traffic controller lingo and he obviously knows what he was doing. He also has been around long enough to be a trainer, so he should not have made a mistake like that. Was it intentional? Was he getting back at the cruel world for taking his daughter? He really seemed to choke up when he said "Jane" during his directing but he seemed to move on. Second question, if any of you who think he intentionally dropped the two birds over the Albuquerque sky on purpose, do you think he was targeting anything in particular. I am not saying Walt because he'd have no reason to go for Walt and really has nothing more than a conversation with him at that bar behind them. But I mean more like, was there something in that area that may have set him offf. I am thinking it was coincidence. But if anybody was good enough to steer these planes to a certain location, Don would be good enough.
The extended opening sequence showed the two black plumes of smoke a few blocks from Walt's house. So the teddybear thing came from the plane and his car (which must have got moved from the other sdie of the driveway at some point) is stil shattered from all the pressue. I knew his house wouldn't take a direct hit.
My afterthoughts were that Skyler and Holly may have been on the plane but then I realized they were going to Marie's house for a while. She only planned on being gone for a few days and Hank was going to move Walt out. I had another thought and I apologize if it has been said before on this thread. Again, I haven't read teh other posts. I am wondering if Mother White (Walt's mom) who he is estranged from and had just found out about the cancer and Holly, whether she was flying in to surprise her son and see the family. How Ironic that that pink toy would end up in the pool right under Walt's feet. Perhaps that pink toy belonged to Walt as a boy and she was passing it on to his child. That doesn't seem likely since he was a boy and it is pink, but anything is possible. It could just be a sign that she is crazy or out of touch with her son and his then dreams for the future and that is why they have the relationship that they do.
I am thinkng now that the bodies in those bags may be people from the plane. How insane would that be if he found his mother in the mess. The good news is we don't think it is anybody we know from the show. Sure, it could be Walt's mother, but better her than a cast member.
I think Walt wants a chance to tell Skyler a story to win her back. My wife pointed who she could see it in Walt's face that he was going apeshit over Walt Jr getting credit for the donations. His hard earned money being passed off as his son's website getting so many donations for Walt. he wants to tell Skyler, but I think it would be a huge mistake to tell her the truth. Not just the truth about th cooking meth, but the truth about killing those people along the way. He better not.
Gus.... you sly dog. This guy is on the inside as a community contributor. Getting a tour of one of his biggest enemies and an update on what they are doing.... priceless. This guy is VERY intelligent and very street smart. I am mixed on how he is going to deal with this situation. I don't think he will be mad at Walt. I don't think he thinks Walt is working on the inside. I do think he will send a "message" to Walt that he better keep his mouth shut having Hank in the DEA. I think that will come into play but everything will be OK between Walt and Gus. God, I cannot get over how smart Gus is. But you know what, looking at that map of where the Blue stuff is popping up, one might conclude that each of those areas are in areas near his chicken chain units. They are acting as distribution centers. I don't think Hank will catch onto this, even though he put together the pretty chart.
Lastly, and this should be fairly obvious to everyone. You can tell that the last 15 minutes of the show (give or take) were filmed after they found out they were getting a third season. Between the going under for the operation and Walt, Skyler, and the doctors discussing Walt's progress. They said 7 weeks had passed and Walt grew back his full facial hair. My wife read someplace that he wears it like that (I do too) and that he shaves it for his acting jobs. At least he got to keep the mustache for BB. Anyway, think they made a decision to find out if they would be renewed and if they were, it ended like it did. If it ended with season 2, the show would have had an entirely different ending. Perhpas Walt would have died with the risky surgery and Jesse would have killed himself at the Serenity retreat. Who knows, but it is pretty obvious to me they left it so they could make the appropriate ending for us depending on whether they got renewed or not. In a way I am glad they did, so they could give us a proper ending if it was cut short, but on the other hand it kind of speaks of bad writing in a way. I wouldn't have just wanted it to end the series with Walt dying in surgery.
But, the good news is that we get to find out what happens. In my opinioin, this wasn't much of a cliffhanger. Sure, we will find out more about the plane crash in the sky and the pink toy. We will find out what he tells Skyler, and it better not be the real truth, and I think Jesse will come around and be back on his feet after getting over Jane. No matter what, "Saul has your money, he is holding it for you."
I had it so built up in my mind that it was going to be a big cliffhanger. I am sort of glad it went more like this. Not sure why they podcasts or whatever said that we wouldn't find out much about the opening sequence this season. Hello, we know it was a plane crash in the sky overhead and that is what set this off. That is more than they had me believing we were going to find out.
I can't wait for next season.
Congrats to all of you who saw this coming! And kudos for everyone who has spotted the great color symbolism/imagery with the blue/sky and then all the pink in the episode. I mean, this is the first time that we've seen Walter in something other than green/yellow/tan.
I couldn't decide about Skyler for the longest time, but this episode finally made up my mind. I do not like her and I cannot identify with her decisions. My jaw was on the floor when she left. Walter did all of this for her--for their family, for her very survival. And she cannot even wait for an answer. An affair? Look in the mirror darling!
I've decided that one of the big themes of this show is that everyone is a criminal or at least has the capacity to be a criminal--or at least morally wrong. Marie shoplifts, Skyler has inappropriate relations with her boss, she smokes while pregnant, and Walter makes meth. Everybody does bad things. Skyler should not act so innocent. Perhaps instead of examining Walt's behavior, she should examine her own.
I think Jesse and Walter came full circle in their relationship. It started out Walter needing Jesse. Now Jesse needs Walter. That scene in the horrible house was the emotional high-point of the episode.
you wouldnt drink the urine you would filler it through a coffee filter, the crank would stay on the filter and when it dried you could do what you wanted with it, how ever it's pretty fuckin' gross.
yeah so where is Skylar gonna be that she cant pick up Walt Jr. from school?
And why is a plane crash so out of the blue? It happens. It just happen in New Jersey just recently didnt it? And it's happen in New Mexico countless times just google it ,plane crashes over NM. It's really unbeliveable how many times planes have gone down right outside of ABQ.
Someone mentioned the yellow dress remark and how Jesse's bed had those bright yellow sheets. I remember someone mentioned when we first seen Jesse's bed that Jesse must like yellow.
Jesse pounding on Jane's stiff body was so horriffic, just hinking about it makes me wanna throw up.
Good job to Depraved Dave! I must admit I was disappointed with the season finale. It just felt like it was lacking, especially the ending. I can't believe Skylar finally figured it out!! She's a slow one, but when she figured it out she left Walt speechless.
However, besides the finale, the season overall was one of the best seasons of t.v. I've seen in a long time. The best episodes were "737" & "Grilled", hands down. Aaron Paul, Bryan Cranston, & Raymond Cruz need some serious recognition.
9-10 months is a long wait, but at least I have Mad Men to fill the void for a few months.
**** SEASON 3 SPOILERS *********
There's this mid-air collision, ok?
Well, the wreckage lands on this mysterious island.
There's a doctor, a fugitive from justice, a con man, and a guy in a wheelchair who can suddenly walk.
And this island, see, is covered with "hatches" and inhabited by a mysaterious group known as "Others".
And there's this four-toed statue, see ?
And a frozen donkey wheel, see?
Walt & Jesse move their meth lab to the Orchid, right?
Then there's this flash and the sky turns purple, see?
Tune in next season for more !!
The scene, where Donald was picking Jane's cloths for the funeral,one of the walls had a drawing, that drawing had a pink bear falling from the sky (sort of) and a girl (dead maybe?), another hidden message foreshadowing the ending..
I loved the ending, Can't wait for Season 3!!!
Hi everyone,
last night pisode was very weird. not sure i liked it too much. Again my problem is with probabilities. what are the odds that Jane father is responsible for the crash of 2 planes above Walt's house, and that some debris, including two bodies and a teddy bear, fall on walt's car and swimming pool?
that being said the crash scene was inbelievable...
i hope 3rd season will take this event into the story arc in a believable way...
that being said what are the odds that a tv series show a plane crash at 10.58 eastern time and that at precisely the same time a plane disappears (air france planeA330 rio-paris)
that is probably even weirder...
I thought it was great that the Pollo guy (sorry forgot his name) puts money in Walt's donation box.
Did he know that Walt's BIL was DEA?
What about the glasses?? they look too similar to Walt's...
here is my prediction - Walt fakes his won death (The narcocorrido, anyone?), but he keeps cooking meth and gives the money to Skyler with the excuse that the money if from Walt's life insurance.
Skyler gets re-married with Ted, then a Very angry Walt "come back" from the death to confront them...
that will lead to Hank discovering Walt is the "Blur-Crystal" guy...
To Protect himself, Gus will kill Hank..
Jesse will kill himself, but before that he returns to his family and makes peace with them.
The Mexican Cartel will get involve, They kill Gus.. leaving Walt in charge.- End of season 3
I'm not so sure about the idea somebody had of Donald being involved in the getting of Gus' drugs onto planes destined for the surrounding states (and having them hidden in stuffed animals nonetheless!), and him intentionally making them collide in midair as some sort of payback for Jane's death. He would be in the deepest shit he could ever imagine, what with the catastrophic loss of life and aircraft costing millions of dollars. Plus, didn't any of his fellow ATC's see that a mid-air collision was about to take place on their radars and equipment and stuff? Where were Donald's supervisors during all this?
I'm sorry, but it was an overall tacky ending all the way around.
I still don't know just how to feel about the episode...I had it all wrong...I thought gas explosion in the house all along...Skyler woud be dead...congrats to those mid air collisioners...anyway...about gus knowing about Walter being hanks Brother inlaw...Gus won't suspect him of of being DEA...because the DEA does not supply half the southwest with the best meth around...maybe he will think that hank is in on it...I don't know...I guess I should drop out of the prediction business...it was fun while it lasted...someone mentioned that possibly Walts mother could have been on one of the planes coming to visit him after learning about his cancer...and another thing... about Skyler...and how she acted and leaving and all...I think it is a valid reaction...after all...we know all sides...she knows nothing...but she knows it's not good....
I'd rate the season finale a ...7
Did anyone else notice Donald placing the arms of Jane's burial dress so they were spread out, and in the very next shot, we see Holly in the exact same position? Beautiful.
I also noticed the colors in this episode, Skyler wearing blue like Jane's dress, the pink, and also, the use of green...Walt wearing green in the hospital and Jesse wearing green at the rehab center, as though green represented sickness in this episode.
Although I was hoping for a more exciting final few minutes, I think the ending with the fire raining down on Walt is a stunning show of symbolism, and I give the writers a lot of credit. It shows the judgment from God raining down on him, etc...loved it.
I think it's interesting to consider the idea that Donald "allowed" the planes to collide. They showed them moving closer on the radar, and Donald seemed to just sit and watch it happen. Very odd.
I kept looking at the clock, wondering when the opening was going to be resolved (not knowing the acronym on the van in the opening). I didn't feel cheated by the ending--I felt relieved that none of the main characters had been killed (though obviously it's tragic that people died).
Even though Walt's ball of lies appear to have caught up with him, he still has room to move. He doesn't have to tell Skyler the truth at this point--there could still be a lover with lots of money. It would explain the money, the two cell phones, and the disappearance--and it'd be more forgivable than becoming a meth kingpin (look at how Skyler reacted when she thought he was using pot--remember her showdown with Jesse?). Also, Skyler herself has been flirting with another man.
Great show, great episode--it must be so rewarding to write this show and watch the actors and crew bring it to life.
Thanks to all of you for providing me with as much entertainment as the show provided. This is a wonderful forum. Even if I could have lived without the knowledge that meth can be recycled so to speak, even after one has pissed it out. BLECHH!!!!!!!!! DISGUSTING!!!!!! So who has enough computer savvy to start a new forum involving different shows. Perhaps, like with a book club we could have a forum involving different shows. I noticed that there are a lot of people here with the same tastes. If one of these forums could be started, who knows, it may do better in keeping good shows on the air than the Nielsens. I'm pretty bummed that the Riches and Pushing Daisies were canceled. I don't know if you all know the story about how the Harry Potter series came to be the extreme success that it is. It was entirely due to small Independent booksellers. Not the big one's like Barne's and Noble. The book had been out for awhile with little notice. The independents did all of the publicity of actually reading the book for one, and organizing kids reading groups and activities. They not only got the kids involved but developed adult reading groups too. Though I like SOME reality tv, I'm getting very tired of the drivel that is out there. I think the networks really should start putting out some actual artwork in programing. Do we really need another Flav or New York show? That dweeb from Poisin, with not half the talent of true rock bands like Slipknot and Gwar! The Hills? What the hell is that? If I had a kid watching that shit I think I would get rid of their TV or slit their throats to put them out of my misery! If I'm going to watch something disgusting and evil, I at least want it to be a thoughful and a well acted disgusting and evil! We should start an independent save the TV club!!!! Here we all are bummin about what are we going to do once this show is over and the lack of good things out there. Perhaps the answer would be to start an independent TV show website. The opposite of all those right wing christian ones. Just a thought.
People have a hard time with coincidence in the framework of a novel, motion picture, or television show. They reject it as "far-fetched", but what we call coincidence happens all the time in real life. "Occurence together apparently without reason" is how my dictionary defines it. Keep track of all the coincidences, large and small, that you notice in your life for a couple of weeks and you will have a long list. How many couples do you know who met "by sheer coincidence"? It is so common that we don't think much about it. Different events and actions are playing out all the time and it is natural that some actions will overlap and have effect on other actions, like the balls on a pool table bouncing off each other at the "break". When an action that you consider unrelated to your goal or purpose has an effect on what you're trying to do, whether that effect is "good" or "bad", or just makes you adapt to the new situation, you call it a "coincidence". It is not far-fetched at all.
Did anyone else notice the pink teddy bear painted into Jane's bedroom mural? It was in the scene where her father goes to the duplex to select suitable burial clothing for her. The bear was painted in the upper right corner, floating (or falling!) in the sky ... quite predominantly!
I was not at all disappointed in the finale. I love reading this forum how you guys pick up on all the little nuances that I missed - like the color themes and other symbolism in the artwork, etc. I'm just so into what is actually happening, I can't concentrate on anything else.
I think Gus did know Walt's BIL was in the DEA - didn't Saul know about it? I'm looking forward to seing more of Gus in season 3.
I bet someone important was on one of those planes, it will be interesting to find out who.
And why can't Skyler pick up Jr. from school? Why is Marie doing it? I wonder what she told them about why she and Walt are breaking up? She did get find a barrel of lies didn't she? Been saving up all that crap to dump on Walt at once! I think she's been wanting to leave him, and was just looking for a good excuse so she wouldn't look like the bad guy for leaving him after he got cancer. I think Walt doesn't care about her as much as he leads on. He does loves his children, but I think he can do without Skyer.
When she asked the Dr when Walt can be more independent, my husband said "She's leaving him!" He also called out that Gus was the contact when he came over to their table.
wow! 264 posts already! Like Skottey, I haven't had time to read many of them yet but will asap : ) I wanted to give my 2 cents worth on the finale. I think that we had it built up so much in our minds that it would have been almost impossible to meet all our expectations. It's the writers fault too though. They're the ones who write such brilliant shows each and every week. We've come to expect nothing short of excellence from them. In my opinion, they never disappoint. Some episodes are fast and furious, edge of your seat thrillers and other are slower more thought provoking. They all are part of the story arc though. I know some of you feel that the plane crash was a cop out and I understand how it could be perceived that way. However, I read creator Vince Gilligan's comments abour the debris from the plane crash falling into Walt's pool where he said :
"In my mind the wrath of God rained down on Walt's neighborhood."
That really put things into perspecftive for me. Every acvtion Walt has taken has had a ripple/domino effect. The plane crash was quite symbolic.
I know I will devoting my morning to reading these posts, but I did want to comment first.
The pink bear in the pool, the pink bear was also in the painting that Jane painted in her apt. It was in the upper corner.
Then Walt's pink sweater.
Did we think Jesse's rehab was kinda pink too?
My take on Skyler's departure?
She just needs someone new to pussy whip.
Hope she packed the "talking pillow".
Where the hell is James26?!! C'mon buddy.
I can't believe how observant you people are! I thought I was too, but I never noticed or even put together the colors and any intended meaning. And I watched the finale again, never saw the Teddy bear in Jane's murral...guess I just have to watch it one more time. (Amazon, video on demand, 1.99)
Yeah, Skyler may be smart and pretty but she's way too controlling. My husband can't stand her.
To the Writers, Directors, Actors, Producers and everyone that makes this show happen I just want to say WOW! Bravo! Brilliant!
This show keeps me glued and totally enthralled and that is an experience sad to say I have not had since I was a young sprout.
Please, please, please, mercy, clementia, give us more!
Shit me neither! She was a REAL bitch in that last episode. Granted Walt had it coming but she was just WAY too good at that role. LOL.
[quote="boop"]The pink bear in the pool, the pink bear was also in the painting that Jane painted in her apt. It was in the upper corner[/quote]
lol...
Brilliant observation Boop, checked it out on my DVR and absolutely correct.
Okay, first of all congrats to Deprave Dave for figuring it out. 2nd of all the ending felt anti -climactic to me because of having an idea of how it might end. But that does leave open the endless possibilities. For instance, who are the two bodies in Walts driveway? Passengers on the plane? I don't think so. My reaon being is that if you saw the impact that a 1 pound teddy bear had when it crashed into Walts pool (The splash was 10 feet high as if a bowling ball landed into it, not a stuffed toy)
Then what would have happened to 2 bodies falling from the sky. Figuring their average weight was 150 pounds falling 90 feet per second from 1,500 feet in the air they would have been liquified upon impact and I didn't see any blood pooled on the ground. Of course they could have already been burnt to a crisp before hitting the ground too.
After watching the episode again this morning, those bodies under the sheets seemed to be pretty intact so I am going to say they were not passengers on the plane? Possibly innocent bystanders walking when the debris hit them?
Again, this is what is really bothering me....LOL
Skottey, Jamm54, Slygirl, Trublue8, Zia??
Do any of you have any thoughts on this. I always think you all have great insight and posts so if you can respond to my post I would appreciate it. Or anyone for that matter
These writers have kept us guessing all year long, and this season has been simply amazing. The best show I have seen hands down in a very long time.
Sigh...now comes the hard part. Knowing for the next 9 months I will have to wait to see what happens.....
Poor Walt, he got into this thinking he was going to die so he wanted to leave something for his family, now his family has left him. So many dead bodies in the wake of this too to now include all the passengers on the plane
The way Walt was sitting by the pool at the end reminded me of Michael Corleone at the end of Godfather II. He got what he wanted my making the big meth score, but had nothing left around him when it was all said and done.
tra2360: Talking pillow! I had forgotten about that hilarious scene!
Walt has been a shit since he started this endeavor, you really can't blame Skyler for leaving him.
They've said before that the colors in this show (and even the website colors) are very important. Traditionally, okay, when I've gone for an aura reading green was a growth color, and pink was a healing color, with deep blue/lavender as kind of evolving to the top on a soul awareness level (sorry for the New Age speak). Someone else pointed out the pink bear in Jane's mural, too, and her bedspread. Interesting.
I thought Donald, besides being an ATC himself, was also a trainer/supervisor. Didn't he mention training people to Jane? So who would've been his superior? I would guess that in the next season Donald's fate could go either way. In the state of shock and grief that he's in, I would guess that after this air crash, he would eventually commit suicide. Anyone who has slogged through a decade of standing by his daughter and trying to save her only to lose the battle and then cause this horrific crash, isn't going to feel like he has much to live for in his emotional state.
Yeah, I think Skyler has been looking to escape for a while, the final straw was the revelation that the two cell phones still existed. She wants out regardless of whether Walt's dying or not. How could a wife with a newborn just up and walk away like that? Holly is only 7 weeks old. She sat silent through Walt's recuperation, and sure had it smoothly planned out. Boy, that's cold and extreme. But, I think she wants Tax Fraud Ted or Meth Cooker Walt.
Now Walt has lost his daughter. Alot of losses in this episode: Walt his whole family and reason for living; Donald and his daughter and reason to live; Jesse losing the one person he's ever loved and losing his will to live. Very, very sad.
Hey boop when the new MadMen season begins in August, give everybody my best over there, will you? I probably won't be going back there again - got into it with a poster trying to defend a 15 year old girl new to the forum who was under personal attack over her identity. This poster has kind of taken over the forum, and has followers. But say hi to all the regulars. Thanks, jamm.
Trueblu8, I agree with you and what's more, she talks down to Walt all the time, has some sort of air of disapproval about her...annoying. You know what I'd like to see? Her cooking the books and getting into some despair over her own choices...she'll just topple right off that pedistal.
To those above that thinks’ Skyler is a complete shrew I agree. I think Walt needs to bang her a little harder and make her respect the fact that he is taking care of business. After all, what, she prefers that he be dead then having some clandestine money making scheme. The scarry part about it is that DEA bother-in-law will be informed and may put the pieces together. Skyler may be responsible for the legal demise of Walt which in my humble opinion is much more morally ambiguous than what Walt is doing.
I hate to say it, and though outside the scope of this episode, the son sometimes scratch’s the chalk board too. The episode where Walt was trying to teach him to drive I just wanted to reach through the screen and strangle the kid. He acted more stoned that handicapped.
Hi RCH2288....Great post! To answer your question about the bodybags I read creator Vince Giligan's Q & A session and cut and paste his answer below.I hope this helps! I really wish the finale had been a two hour special. There are so many queations left unanswered....what will happen with Walt and Skylar's relationship? What will Gus do now that he knows that Walt's brother in law is a DEA agent? How will Donald deal with the grief of his daughter? Will poor Jesse get clean and make it through his heartbreak over losing Jane? Thank God there is a season 3! Anyway, Here's Vince Gilliga's post regarding the bodybags : )
Vince Gilligan "So it would follow that the body bags being zipped up are also what's left of folks who've fallen to Earth. If you look closely, those body bags are pretty empty. We can only assume they're little bits and pieces, and stuff better left to the imagination."
watching this one again, right now!
I cant get enough of this series
My husband's theory about the bear in the painting and then in the pool is that perhaps Jane's mom was on the plane that crashed. Who knows? Maybe she was flying home after the funeral. There is a lot of correlation with loss in this episode. Maybe Jane had the bear in her duplex the entire time and mom took it with her as a memento of her daughter. Can't wait to find out what's next in season 3!!
“I would guess that in the next season Donald's fate could go either way. In the state of shock and grief that he's in, I would guess that after this air crash, he would eventually commit suicide.”
Jamm54, I hope not. I think more he is going to make it his mission to cause Jesse and in extension Walt, as much grief as possible. A nemesis, heroic vigilantly villain sort of speak.
“How could a wife with a newborn just up and walk away like that?”
In my limited experience Women do strange things after birth giving due to hormones and emotional states.
oh i forgot....the bell that dings on walt jrs website when someone makes a donation...........sound familiar?...........sounds just like the bell on senior Tuco`s wheel chair......anyone notice that?
RCH2288:
Good point on the bodies: They are probably victims of falling debris, not passengers on the plane.
Interesting theory gesiquea. It would be deep if you turned out to be correct.
ok senior salamancas(spelling) wheel chair.........
hey you guys....sopmehow one of my posts got printed in the weekly "What You're Saying" section of our site and I won a BB hat! I am beyond excited! Do you guys know if the people that work on the show read our open thread posts and randomly pick winners or if there's a special place we go to enter these contests? I can't believe i won something! DepraveDave won too! Deprave Dave is having quite the week! First he figured out the code and the plane crash and then he wins a cool hat too : ) way to go Dave!
By the by, I tried to check out that Greymatter site a lot of you guys and gals go to, but I couldn't really figure it out. I am new at this posting stuff. I think i will just stay here with all my buddies. I miss the ones that have left us though. Pleaae don't forget about us over here Greymatter gang!
@ Liz - Yes. Can I marry you? Lol.
@ TitusCicero - LOL.
@ Slygirl - Yep scattered bodies and what's left of 'em ewww..
I had to watch this again. I just caught something at the very beginning of the scene of Hank briefing his troops about Combo.
As the scene fades in Hank is holding the donation jar with Walt's picture on it.
Behind the picture is the dry erase board with the tree of bad guys.
Walt's picture is held right in front of the top spot on the tree!
I swear I thought someone in the room would stick it up there and say "what do you think of this idea?"
"the bell that dings on walt jrs website when someone makes a donation...........sound familiar?...........sounds just like the bell on senior Tuco`s wheel chair......anyone notice that?"
Your right BrianM, I checked it out, believe it or not but it is the exact same sound. Except after the intial ding of the computer it does a cha-ching. I think the ding may represent danger.
Slygirl
Thanks for the cut and paste. I never like to read or watch the Q &A's because I don't want to get too much information. I guess Vince would be the authority on this so that answer will have to do. I still don't know how a 1 pound teddy bear would have the force of a missile landing in the pool though...LOL
In answer to your other question, I too had a post printed in the "What Your are Saying" Section a few weeks ago and I was given a Huge Breaking Bad Poster that I proudly have displayed in my garage. I think they are randomly selected as I did not enter anything..
The poster is Walt and Jesse sitting out in the desert by their RV. Big Stacks of cash sit under Walter and all the bags of the blue meth sit under Jesse. They are looking back and Walt has a gun in his hand and Jesse is holding a bat. Both are wearing their cook gear.
Sigh...I am already suffering from withdrawal now that this season has ended. Do you think I could check into a room at the Serenity Rehab with Jesse to get over my addiction. I would dig having the green robe and slippers and hanging out by the spa...LOL
@ perdeep - Holy shit!
yea titus, im watching the episode again, and i just happened to notice it...........ill bet it is going to play a part in something
Your right BrianM, I checked it out, believe it or not but it is the exact same sound. Except after the intial ding of the computer it does a cha-ching. I think the ding may represent danger.
thanks titus, i was wondering if anyone else had noticed it....
How long are we going to have to wait for the next season?
By TitusCicero on June 1, 2009 12:13 PM
How long are we going to have to wait for the next season?
i hope its not too long!! maybe september?
I'm kind of glad the season didn't end with a who shot JR type cliff hanger. At least I'll be able to breathe for the next few months, lol. That being said, Vince Gilligan did say that not much would be revealed in the finale. Take that for what it's worth. Someone touched already on the impact the pink bear made when it impacted. There's gonna be a lot more debris spread over a wide area. Wonder how far away Skyler and Holly were? Actually I don't think anybody is safe at this point. Not until the sky stops falling. Kind of smart when you think about it. The writers have their hiatus to pick and choose how to continue the story.
Have a happy off season y'all!
My only hope is that one of the two people in the body bags is Donnie Darko. That way we could go back and it would be like this horrible Season 2 finale never even happened....
"thanks titus, i was wondering if anyone else had noticed it...."
Case you want to check it out Bryan: episode 2,2 aprox 35 minutes into show and 13 (lucky #) aprox 25 min
Yes, I'm bored. :)
thanks titus, i`ll check it out.......yea i`m bored too!
I didn't realize my user name was going tie in with thh color theme of the show! It's kinda cool. I use this name on all the forums I belong to. I picked Pink because I'm fair and have pink cheeks, and 63 for my birth year.
RCH2288: I got one of those BB posters too! I'm trying to figure out where to hang it.
It's been great reading all these insightful, intelligent posts, I'm going to have to go with Jessie to rehab in the fake wigwam or whatever it was. In the meantime I'll be watching Mad Men, hope you see you guys over in that forum in August.
gesiquea said "My husband's theory about the bear in the painting and then in the pool is that perhaps Jane's mom was on the plane that crashed. Who knows? Maybe she was flying home after the funeral. There is a lot of correlation with loss in this episode. Maybe Jane had the bear in her duplex the entire time and mom took it with her as a memento of her daughter. Can't wait to find out what's next in season 3!!"
Sorry to blast your theory out of the sky, but keep in mind that Walt's surgery happened a number of days after Jane's death and then seven weeks passed before Skyler left Walt and then the planes crashed. Why would Jane's mom be leaving to go home eight or nine weeks after the funeral? That seems like an awful long time to hang out someplace after attending your kid's funeral.
I think that if anybody was on one of the planes related to the characters of the story at all it is Walt's estranged mom coming to reconcile their differences. Remember, Skyler called her to ask about the four day weekend there and the money, thinking she may have given him money. Skyler broke the news to her about the cancer. Perhaps Skyler also told Mother White she was going to leave Walt as well and she was coming to see her son. Just imagine if that was her pink toy she was bringing for Holly and it fell in front of Walt.
For those of you that think the plane crash is too far fetched. I too thought it was far fetched when a few people suggested a plane crash into Walt's house, but the fact that Donald is an air traffic controller and the planes crashed in mid-air makes total possible sense.
Nobody seemed to answer, who thinks Donald purposely crashed two planes to get back at the world for his daughter's death? Or do you think it was just an accident because he was stressed? I think he seemed to have it pretty together working, doing his job. I am leaning towards him doing it on purpose in a sick twisted way.
dragonsnowball said "My only hope is that one of the two people in the body bags is Donnie Darko. That way we could go back and it would be like this horrible Season 2 finale never even happened...."
I wouldn't say by any stretch this was a horrible episode. But am I the only one that picked up on the last 15 minutes of the show clearly being filmed at a later date after they found out whether they would be getting a third season or not?
Aside from Walt's facial hair, you can just tell that they had two endings planned. Had they not got a season 3, they could have ended it on Walt's death during surgery or right after and Jesse killing himself over Jane. But since they got a third season, they changed the last 15 minutes to what we saw. The ending filmed later started with the doctor's visit that takes place "seven weeks later."
Am I the only one that feels this way?
I would LOVE if they filmed the other ending and then changed it when they got a third season. I would love it if they included this on the DVD or Bluray of season 2. The alternate ending! You know they had it planned.
Incidentally, Donnie Darko is my favorite movie. I love it love it love it! Have seen it 50 times and still cannot make sense of it fully and catch something new every time I watch it. Great movie.
A few comments: That look on Walt's face as he's being videoed for his son's fundraising website was . . . priceless. As Walt, Jr. is extolling his father as a "hero", Walt sent his son an anguished sideways glance. Of course, in addition to the hypocracy, he *knows* that this kind of publicity is going to get him killed. And when Gus noticed the donate jar with Walter's picture, his face became unmasked with calculating dead-stare menace, just for a split second, before the smile got turned back on. Gus scares the living daylights out of me.
Interesting that the product is called "Blue Sky" and the last episode had dangerous debris falling from the blue sky.
We have not seen the last of Gretchen. And Saul has now infested the operation with all his underworld contacts. And Skyler is about to spill the beans. . . is there any character trajectories that are *not* spinning out of control. It seems that the only grounded, trustworthy, soul of humanity left is . . . Jesse. And that's saying something.
RCH2288 ....that sounds like an awesome poster!
I think I need a room at Serenty Rehab too. I'm already feel my Breaking Bad withdrawls starting! It's going to be a looooong wait until next season. I hope the Season 2 DVD set comes out soon. does anyone know if the season 1 set had cool extras on it?
Could be Janes Mom on the plane, Pretty sure that must of been who Don was talking to on the phone when was looking for the yellow dress.
Would be highly unlikely.
You can tell when Don start slipping , instead of saying Juliett (ICAO Phonetics)... like he did before, he says Jane.. then he starts losing it.
Pretty good pitch with the bear as the Airport is appx. 7 miles from Walt's house
Did you notice the bear in the doc office when Skylar checked to see if it was ok to bail. It wasn't pink. But it was staring at Walt in his pink outfit
those druggies at the crash pad where Jesse was pulled from... down right scary.. glad they showed them.
Dude, why is everybody blaming Walt for the crash? It goes back too far for it to be his responsibility. It's like blaming the bartender who served alcohol to the drunk driver who crashed in somebody else's car for the accident. That guy's daughter was a wreck without any help from Walt. If anyone besides the actual air trafficker should be blamed, it's Jesse for getting the girl back on drugs.
I sort of get why Skylar wants to leave Walt but the fact that she has been flirting with Ted while Walt has cancer makes her pretty despicable. I hope she and Ted make it into a couple of body bags.
He crashed the planes on purpose. Told both planes to go to 1700 ft, intentionally giving them instructions that would cause the crash, he ignored the red circles on the radar which was a warning, and he ignored the text warning on the radar that read "conflict risk." He did nothing to prevent the crash what-so-ever. He was sweaty and nervous cause he knew exactly what he was doing... trying to kill some one.
Jane's mom was on the plane. Flying in for the funeral and she brought Jane's pink teddy bear with her for one of those little memorial displays that they do at the funeral home. He knew her flight cause he talked to her on the phone while picking out the dress.
Oh how spoiled we are. The show should have had 1 or 2 more episodes; Skylar caring for a baby and a vulnerable ill Walt alongside her shock producing phone calls. A glimpse of Gus making a decision about Walt. Jesse leading to his stay in rehab. The explosion would have come as a fitting end.
For those in ALB what/where is that beautiful round orange building? Please advise.
Did anyone see the next season..Br--in-law and Walt dressed in white-like a wedding? Was it a precursor for the lawyer
telling Walt he needed a Moll?
Also was it Walt Jr aka Flynn with a pal in masks? Flynn
breaking bad?
I liked the ending actually
It really emphasised the "inteconnectedness" not only between the main characters but showing us, the viewers, "the bigger picture" as well. Our actions CAN, at times, cause ripple effects to everything around us that we may never imagine.
Truthfully--I'm actually looking forward to the seeing how they play out Gus.
At some point in season three, Gus walks up to Walt and tells him their relationship is off because he met Hank and it's not worth the risk to him or his own operation.
OR-----
Gus may let Walt KNOW that he is aware of Hank and Walt will face being blackmailed yet again, this time from a more powerful person.
And what of Walt? Sitting there in his backyard staring at the grass just before the explosion....
His wife takes his whole family, post-operation, and leaves him. Was it worth it?
Or maybe we were watching Heisenburg thinking of the multiple possibilities open to him now that the family is gone and he no longer has to hide all the time. (Skyler did ask the doctor specifically how soon Walt could be independant)
And THEN....there was the explosion and maybe THEN we saw Walt snap out of his funk and stand up, watching helplessly as innocent lives rained down on his neighborhood.
Hopefully the new season starts in January and not March
I forgot one other thing--
Should we assume that Skyler told Hank about how the treatments were totally paid off?
All one hundred thousand bucks on a teacher's salary?
Hank is going to walk over there and want some answers because he is sure as heck going to start suspecting SOMEthing. He can't help it. He has that John Wayne bravado attitude that he wears on his sleeve. It's in his blood.
Unless Skyler doesn't mention it......yet.
It's going to be long 8 month wait.
zia said "Could be Janes Mom on the plane, Pretty sure that must of been who Don was talking to on the phone when was looking for the yellow dress."
Yes, it probably was Jane's mom he was talking to about the yellow dress but keep in mind the plane collision was over seven weeks after the funeral. Why would Jane's mom be going home eight weeks after the funeral?
Nate said "Jane's mom was on the plane. Flying in for the funeral and she brought Jane's pink teddy bear with her for one of those little memorial displays that they do at the funeral home. He knew her flight cause he talked to her on the phone while picking out the dress."
OK, I feel like a ghost here and nobody can read my posts. I feel like a broken record.
The funeral happened right before Walt's surgery. Fast forward SEVEN WEEKS AFTER THE SURGERY. Skyler leaves Walt and the planes collide.
Why would Jane's mother be flying in or out from the funeral seven or eight weeks after her death? Jane's mom was not on the plane. If she was, that would be a serious flaw of writing the story.
I hear you Skottey! You're right. I also can't imagine Janes' dad Donald causing a plane crash to kill his wife. He's greif stricken beyond words and accidentally said his daughter's name "Jane" instead of the proper code word "Juliet"...thus accidentally causing the planes to crash. I just can't imagine his character doing that on purpose. He seems like a very caring man.
tuttle300 said "I forgot one other thing--
Should we assume that Skyler told Hank about how the treatments were totally paid off?
All one hundred thousand bucks on a teacher's salary?
Hank is going to walk over there and want some answers because he is sure as heck going to start suspecting SOMEthing."
There are hundreds of thousands of ways to make money legally or illegally. Hank is a DEA agent. He isn't going to automatically think Walt got the money through drugs. He could have done any number of things legal or illegal.
If he questions him it will be more out of concern brother in law to brother in law, not drugs.
It could be something as innocent as winning a large sum of money at an Indian Casino or winning a lottery. Imagine winning $500K or something at an Indian Casino and keeping that from your spouse? I wouldn't dare, but it happens all the time. Especially when the marriage is already in trouble. Walt has had his suspicions about Skyler too. If I were Walt I would use the gambling addiction lie. I would tell her that I took out the loan (RV) for gambling money and the first time I won big but since I have been getting into trouble. "I was just trying to secure the future of you and the kids Skyler." Winning at an Indian Casino cannot be verified. So he went on a four day gambling binge while he was cooking with Jesse. And the time he ended up naked in the store, same thing.
Walt will come up with something. Whether he gets Skyler back or not, he will come up with something.
good point skottey..
didn't think about that because I didn't sleep for #### last night ;).. BB post partum
it's the first time they really fast forwarded
kos I'm trying to find out about the orange building
there is a Serenity , but haven't found any pics to relate it too. I feel it's just some health spa.. not like rehab or something.
I feel pretty good about being able to figure out exactly where Walt's house was from the aerial shots. Had to resort to my skydiving days to reason it out. It wasn't easy.
Nate .. I think Don just finally lost it.. don't feel he did it with intent... he was so calm when he was first there and even when he went back to grab her stuff..... I couldn't believe he didn't didn't say anything or take a swing a Jesse... nothing.. like a drone...... I'd been bawling my eyes out if it had been my daughter.. and after Jesse... something !!
Slygirl08 said "I hear you Skottey! You're right. I also can't imagine Janes' dad Donald causing a plane crash to kill his wife. He's greif stricken beyond words and accidentally said his daughter's name "Jane" instead of the proper code word "Juliet"...thus accidentally causing the planes to crash. I just can't imagine his character doing that on purpose. He seems like a very caring man."
I actually think he may have caused the collision on purpose but not to kill Jane's mom. I think if he did, it was to get back at the cruel world that took his daughter from him. He actually got away with killing probably a few hundred people and can pass it off as an accident. They'll never prove it was intentional.
I have always hated how people who have a tragedy happen to them such as the death of a child or finding out they are dying of cancer, or a cheating spouse or whatever, taking out other people and then themselves. Why not just kill yourself? Why do people go shoot up a nursing home and then kill themselves? If I was in a position where I wanted to end my life, perhaps if my children were tortured and killed, I might go jump off a bridge and kill myself but I would never kill a bunch of people and then myself. But it happens all the time. In my local community a few years ago some douchebag walked into a Radioshack randomly and shot and killed a couple people and blinded and disabled one guy. The guy he blinded and disabled ended up on Extreme Home Makeover, incidentally. I see it as very cowardly and sick that somebody cannot just kill themselves, they need to take out as many people as they can first. It is totally believable that Don just pulled off a revenge on society by killing 200 people on two planes. But it wasn't to get at Jane's mother.
Skottey-
I don't think Donald meant to cause the crash, his slip-up seemed more based on grief than intention...but I DO think that once he realized the two planes were going to crash, he didn't care enough to stop it. Like I said, they clearly show the warnings on his screen, and based on that moment and the lack of sound (you don't hear him talking), he probably did absolutely nothing to stop it. I think his moment where he said "Jane" instead of "Juliet" made him "lose it", and he just made an insane decision to let the planes collide. So maybe it wasn't the initial plan, but he still let it happen. That's my opinion.
Why do people think someone involved in the show had to be on the plane? I feel like the writers never make it that easy. In my opinion, the whole thing was just supposed to be symbolic, representing all of the death and destruction Walt has caused. I doubt any characters were on it.
Skottey-
I don't think Donald meant to cause the crash, his slip-up seemed more based on grief than intention...but I DO think that once he realized the two planes were going to crash, he didn't care enough to stop it. Like I said, they clearly show the warnings on his screen, and based on that moment and the lack of sound (you don't hear him talking), he probably did absolutely nothing to stop it. I think his moment where he said "Jane" instead of "Juliet" made him "lose it", and he just made an insane decision to let the planes collide. So maybe it wasn't the initial plan, but he still let it happen. That's my opinion.
Why do people think someone involved in the show had to be on the plane? I feel like the writers never make it that easy. In my opinion, the whole thing was just supposed to be symbolic, representing all of the death and destruction Walt has caused. I doubt any characters were on it.
Oh my gosh people, the stuffed toy that fell in the pool was Walt's baby girls toy, Sky took her and the son and left....she's gone, the baby is gone and the son is gone by the hand of the father (the FAA controller) of the girl that Walt let die!!!!
This is the most intense ending to a series I have ever seen.....please bring the show back early for the new series
Oh my gosh people, the stuffed toy that fell in the pool was Walt's baby girls toy, Sky took her and the son and left....she's gone, the baby is gone and the son is gone by the hand of the father (the FAA controller) of the girl that Walt let die!!!!
This is the most intense ending to a series I have ever seen.....please bring the show back early for the new series
mirna
Why do people think someone involved in the show had to be on the plane?
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same reason they thought the body bags had someone from the show in them, it's what were are used to getting in most shows..
Vince is doing a great job with the unexpected.
I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL! I can't believe I, and many others, were dead on about the plane crash. I even said "Maybe the pink bear falls from one of the planes". I didn't really believe that when I said it, I was just throwing it out there. But that turned out to be exactly it! Trueblu, thanks for backing me up, buddy!
I have to give credit to DepraveDave for cracking the "737 Down Over ABQ" code. And to the others who figured Donald would be an ATC. I think I was the first one to mention that the "737", "Down", and "Over" episodes were the ones to contain the pink bear scenes. WOW!!! What a finale...I have to say I wasn't very surprised or shocked, because I had already pretty much figured it out. If I didn't know anything about it, that would have definitely been a "holy shit" moment! When I first watched the episode, I thought Skyler and the baby were on the plane, but when I watched the replay I heard her say she was going to Hank and Marie's, which means she wouldn't be on an airplane. So is it just a random crash caused by Donald's grief and Walt's domino effect? I don't think any main characters will be killed off. I read the review of this episode, and the guy said basically the same thing as me. He listed the series of events that were started by Walter long ago and then led to this crash. It really all is Walter's fault if you trace it back. It's the "Butterfly Effect" that you always hear about. The really sad thing is that the stuffed bear proves that there was at least one little child on one of the planes, and maybe more. All those people were killed because Walt decided to cook meth all that time ago. As for the bodybags in the driveway, at the beginning of the episode when they picked one of them up and it showed it from the side, it didn't look like there was a body in it, but maybe a bunch of evidence collected from the area. It looked too thin and not shaped quite like a body. Maybe there were different body parts in it...that's a disturbing thought!
I see the opinions of this finale are split down the middle. Half the people loved it, half were disappointed. I'm not sure exactly how I feel. It DOES seem pretty unrealistic that the planes would crash right over Walter's house, but then, it was very appropriate that it happened that way. Like I said before, I wasn't very surprised, since we had pretty much figured it out. I think the thing that surprised me the most is that we were right, lol. That review said "Yes the bear question is answered, and no, you don't know how it got into the pool. You may think you know, but you don't." Well, not to brag or anything, but I DID say the bear fell from one of the planes that crashed. I guess the bear itself is kind of a symbol for all the destruction that Walt has indirectly caused. The bear is a cute, innocent child's toy that has been burned and disfigured, representing all the innocent people that were killed because of Walt's actions.
I also noticed the bell on Walt Jr.'s computer sounding exactly like Tio's bell. The look on Walt's face when he heard it was priceless. It was almost like he expected Tio to be in his house, lol. I love how he told Junior "Turn it down, it's disturbing...the baby", when it was clear that it was actually disturbing Walt!
Jesse absolutely broke my heart in this episode. If he doesn't get an Emmy, I'll be pissed! The first time I watched it I didn't cry at all, because I'm usually so keyed up and waiting for something big to happen that I can't cry, but when I watched the replay, I started to tear up when Jesse broke down in Walter's arms and said "I loved her more than anything". So he's in rehab now. I hope he gets clean and still has as big of a role in the show in season 3.
All the talk about Jane's "black and blue" dresses reminded me of the episode "Negro Y Azul", which means black and blue in Spanish. Incidentally, that was also the episode in which Jesse and Jane started their relationship. Foreshadowing, anyone?
It was also revealed that Jane was born in Phoenix, making last week's episode make even more sense. Also, Jane was born only 10 days before me, on April 4, 1982. I was born April 14, 1982. That means that this episode was taking place right now, because last week Donald said Jane would be 27 next week, and then the end of this episode took place a few weeks later, which brings up right up to late May, which is when it aired!
I don't know exactly what the ramifications of the place crash will be, but one thing is for sure: It has us talking! And I'm definitely looking forward to season 3 already. Vince and crew have plenty of time to decide what the next chapter in the story will be. The next nine months are going to be excruciating!!!
Have watched and loved this show from day one. Brilliant! I can't wait to see what happens next, but I'll have to, like everyone else. I hope they don't make us wait as long this time. I think the music for the very last scene with the plane crash should have been "One Thing Leads to Another" by The Fixx. That song perfectly describes the Butterfly Effect, and the world that Walt has created and destroyed. It's the circle of life, Simba! There are just a couple of things in this show that I found a little unbelievable, though. I didn't think that the scumbag junkie whore would have a working telephone. And, did Jesse have a landline at his apartment? Remember the answering machine blinking the number 4? Anyway, those are just a couple of things I questioned. Did anyone else think that was questionable? Still love the show and can't wait to see more!!!!!
Why is it that I always type the word "place" instead of "plane"? Does anyone else have that problem?
Yawn. I am becoming bored. Someone may already have said this (I haven't read all posts): Gus will have Walt hit. Anyway, I watched Wallender instead.
But James you aren't any good at placing a decapitated head on a live tortoise ;)
LOL zia! Thankfully, I've never had to! :P
I watched the episode 3 times last nite and managed to miss this part 3 times! What was Gus doing in the DEA office? Help.....
civil fund raiser
After digesting the various sightings of the pink bear, I have the following theory. Being that there is an entire rack of them being sold at the market where Walt disrobes, it would stand to reason that they are as common in Breaking Bad's Albuquerque area as Elmo dolls once were in any city in America. That said, the various sightings of the Pink Bear not necessarily all the same bear. They do provide plenty of food for thought, and they are obviously quite significant to the storyline, as highlighted by the black and white pool scene that was reminiscent of the Red jacket in the movie Schindler's list.
Unlike the jacket in Schindler's List however, it has been established that there is more than one Pink Bear in this series, and therefore no one outcome can be derived from clues provided by the appearances of the bears.
By the way, in re-watching the finale, it seems clear that one plane was landing at ABQ. The other, departing plane seems to have been headed for Winslow. (Arizona?)
Who would have been headed for Winslow, and who would have been leaving Albuquerque? The exact relationship of time as it relates to the other events from the show is unclear.
Did anyone notice that Q (Jane's father) referred to one of the planes that he was controlling, "Truth or Consequences"?
I think the future answers to all of our questions will prove to be as unpredictable as the ending of this show was for me!
Brilliant job Vince and team!
TitusCicero I don't know if Donald will be like a Charles Bronson avenger in whatever those movies were that he was in. Wouldn't Donald have been in enough NA meetings and dealing with Jane's addiction after a decade to accept and understand that Jane was still responsible for Jane? Of course, grief and anger can do strange things to people. What are the stages of grief: disbelief, anger, acceptance?
Skyler Had forgotten about the post-partum hormones and postpartum depression. Yes, Skyler could do anything irrational if she's experiencing postpartum blues. She did seem a little borderline nutty, is the only word I can think of (no offense to new mothers out there).
Magnificent ending!
Fulminated Mercury (love your name!): I did notice the Truth or Consequences reference. I was wondering how long it would be on this show before they mentioned that city. :)
as much as I like the show, the airplanes crashing is pretty far fetched. If you have ever flown into Abq. you would relate to it.Certainly if you have ever flown a plane yourself.
In bad weather perhaps... but clear skies..no way.
Not without aircraft malfunctions.
There are warning to the other Air Traffic Contollers when close proximity events happen. It's not just on one guy's shoulders. His Crew Boss would of been there to take over in a flash.
The SunPort isn't all that busy, it's not LAX. There is a lot of restricted military airspace also.
Guess that's one of the drawbacks of being in the area, you know otherwise.
I have to wonder if there would of been a different twist to the finale, had they not been okayed for another season.
If PINK=DEATH, which is new to me, I always thought that black was the symbolic color of death, would that have any relation to Jesse's name? Isn't it Jesse PINKMAN?
AMC you are running the A list shows this past year. I don't miss one episode of BB; it's better than Sopranos ever was. Love MM just as much but a whole different time genre that is love love love.
Walt and Jess should have emmy nods, so send in your best clips which won't be hard; they are always fantastic. Tremendous ending, but plane crash a bit over the top. Could it be a dream sequence? If the rest. manager/drug dealer doesn't get to Walt, then Hank will. Skyler is onto Walt and she'll get to the bottom and will find Jesse there; he called remember and left his name. She'll sharpen up once her hormones are back in sync.
Question: did Walt sell all his goods and is he done now, or more to unload? With Jesse in rehab he won't be able to count on him to run for him so he'll have to do the drops now himself. Danger ahead. Love this show.
Another possible plot twist:
Donald is cleared of criminal misconduct in the crash, but must attend therapy for PTSD. By coincidence, Walt, or perhaps Jesse, chooses to seek psychiatric help as well at the same therapist, and opens up under doctor/patient confidentiality. The doc manages to put 2 + 2 together.
What do you guys think of that GreyMatter site? Do any of you go there? They have this whole thing where other bloggers rate you and you get somethings called "street cred". The site looks like it has a lot of cool people with interesting things to say but I don't know if I would want to be judged by my posts. I like this site because we can all just say what we want without fear of not having enough "street cred". I love the way we all interact and give eachother feedback....but I don't know how comfortable I would be with having a rating or number assigned to me. Am I wrong about GreyMatter? If so, I'm sorry. My trepidation about the other site could just be that this is the first site I've ever posted my thoughts on and I feel partial to it : )
about Skylar..the show is definitely from the POV of a male. The many disses of the wife is evidence of Men R from Mars Women R from Venus. We are privy to his desire to leave the family financially secure. She is not privy. Imagine dressed in high heels, 8 months p.g., returning to a job where u messed
around with a married boss..Took alot of guts. All because she is worried about their financial future. She was home while her husband acted oddly. Skylar has been fighting off intuition...'Which one?'..Opens suspicions--Has she has been gullible? Then she finds out-- she has been lied to and duped..It is a sheer unadulterated betrayal. I can't imagine how she could nurse Walt back to health while tending the new baby with her new found knowledge.
As for Ted, a decent nice guy( with a small problem-) but interested in her... Hell ya she is going into his arms.
Walt sitting at poolside considering his next move..Tell her...Truth/ All/ Partial/ or Better Lie.
Mary said "Oh my gosh people, the stuffed toy that fell in the pool was Walt's baby girls toy, Sky took her and the son and left....she's gone, the baby is gone and the son is gone by the hand of the father (the FAA controller) of the girl that Walt let die!!!!"
What makes you think it was Holly's toy? Keep in mind that Hank and Marie live locally. Marie would be picking Walt Jr up from school and that Hank would be helping Walt pack his things. Skyler and the kids were to return Monday AM. They weren't on the airplane.
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Mary also said "This is the most intense ending to a series I have ever seen.....please bring the show back early for the new series"
You do realize the SERIES is not over, don't you? That was the end of SEASON 2, not the series as a whole. Season 3 will be back on presumably in the winter like the last two seasons.
MAY I Please ask: what the heck you are talking about "GREYMATTER" ???
what is that,?????
i get nothing from a google search that makes any sense to me?
We will go ahead and give you a 10+ here Slygirl :)
Trueblu8 mentioned it along with a few other folks. See cut and paste below : )
By trueblu8 on June 1, 2009 5:05 AM
You guys need to get your asses over to
http://greymatter.forumotion.net/. And tell James 26 too! Peace & Goodnight!
slygirl08 - Thanks for the link to greymatter.
it looks complicated (for me) but i will check it again.
James26-
"I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
No need to be a braggart. Regarding many people saying it would be a plane, many said it would crash into Walter's house. That would be much less realistic than the random chance that the collision would take place in the vicinity of Walt's house, like what happened. Good call though.
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"I see the opinions of this finale are split down the middle. Half the people loved it, half were disappointed."
Do you really think it is 50/50? I'd say more people than normal didn't like this episode but I'll bet it was more like 4:1 in liking it.
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" I'm not sure exactly how I feel. It DOES seem pretty unrealistic that the planes would crash right over Walter's house"
Well, it is kind of like the lottery. It is unlikely that you will be the winner, but on the same token, somebody has to win.
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"I also noticed the bell on Walt Jr.'s computer sounding exactly like Tio's bell. The look on Walt's face when he heard it was priceless. It was almost like he expected Tio to be in his house, lol. I love how he told Junior "Turn it down, it's disturbing...the baby", when it was clear that it was actually disturbing Walt!"
My wife and I thought that Walter couldn't stand the fact that Jr was getting all the credit for the money he earned, as if Jr's website was really the reason they had so much money coming in. Like so many things in his life, he wanted so bad to be given credit for something he did. But he couldn't get credit for it. But you are right, maybe it was the bell, or a combination of both, that annoyed him so much.
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"Jesse absolutely broke my heart in this episode. If he doesn't get an Emmy, I'll be pissed! The first time I watched it I didn't cry at all, because I'm usually so keyed up and waiting for something big to happen that I can't cry, but when I watched the replay, I started to tear up when Jesse broke down in Walter's arms and said "I loved her more than anything". So he's in rehab now. I hope he gets clean and still has as big of a role in the show in season 3."
I didn't notice until my second viewing of the episode today that when Walt found Jesse in that drug house he said "get up son." He seems to have distanced himself from his real son and has taken a father type role over Jesse. Walt is far from heartless as some have said.
george said "Yawn. I am becoming bored. Someone may already have said this (I haven't read all posts): Gus will have Walt hit. Anyway, I watched Wallender instead."
Maybe this isn't your show. Move on if it bores you. The rest of us are looking forward to season three.
Yes, George.....I was surpriised that this show bored you! Did you watch both seasons or are you a new viewer? If youare new to th eshow, I HIGHLY recommend you check out the whole series before letting a great show like this pass you by. But like Skottey said, move on if it bores you. We all have different tastes after all. I love this show so much though I just can't imagine anyone not feeling the same way about it : )
After thinking about it for a day, I'm not a fan of the way this season ended. I have to throw my lot in with everyone else that feels the ending was to unrealistic. I don't mean that it is unrealistic that two planes could collide (it's happened before a couple of times), just that there are a lot of safeguards in place to prevent it from happening in ordinary circumstances. After all, it was a clear day and the two planes simply appeared to be approaching the airport. For a show that has spent so much effort always keeping itself as realistic as possible, it seemed like a cheap or easy way to end the season.
Personally, I think Walt needed to incur some personal pain of his own by the end of Season 2. He is no longer a sympathetic character. How many people has he directly or indirectly killed? Don't even consider the people (including children) killed in the plane crash. He's built up a serious amount of bad karma over the course of this season and he was due for some of those chickens to come home to roost.
I know some people would consider Skyler's decision to leave as a negative consequence, but that was a long time coming and from all appearances didn't cause Walt the pain he had inflicted on Jesse or Donald. Or at least he certainly didn't react that way.
For some reason I keep thinking about the end of "No Country For Old Men" and how Anton was hit by the car that ran the red light. For the entire movie Anton had violated the basic laws of humanity as some kind of unbendable force, only to be shown to be subject to the same forces of bad luck as the rest of us.
Walt had problems this season for sure, but he always managed to work his way through them. I think he needed to experience something he couldn't work his way out of - some form of serious emotional pain.
I was also one of the ones who posted in the last thread that I thought the bear would fall from one of the airplanes. However, I also thought that Skyler and Holly would be on one of the planes. I'm sure the writers didn't want to kill off a main character or a small baby, but to me that would have approached the level of what I have been talking about. Walt had a hand in the death of Donald's daughter and Jesse's lover, and so Walt deserves to lose his lover and daughter as well.
I suppose you can aruge that's what happened with Skyler leaving, but it doesn't rise to the same level. Besides, the writers are going to have to force Walt and Skyler to come to some kind of terms early in Season 3, probably in the first episode. She certainly can't tell Hank and Marie what Walt's been doing or the show will basically be over. So, whether they get back together or not, she is ultimately going to have to agree to keep things quiet.
Sorry for the long post. I always enjoy reading everyone elses' like James26 and Slygirl's, so I thought I'd take another shot at posting.
zia said "as much as I like the show, the airplanes crashing is pretty far fetched. If you have ever flown into Abq. you would relate to it.Certainly if you have ever flown a plane yourself.
In bad weather perhaps... but clear skies..no way.
Not without aircraft malfunctions."
This backs up the idea that Donald intentionally directed the planes to crash. It wouldn't have been an accident in such clear skies. If he directed the crash, the supervisor probably wouldn't have had time to intervene.
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"I have to wonder if there would of been a different twist to the finale, had they not been okayed for another season."
Am I the only one that thought it was extremely obvious that the last 15 minutes of the show was one ending and that they had another ending done up in case they didn't get renewed for a third season? Walt's facial hair alone and the fresh look of Walt and Skyler's acting as if they came back after some time off was obvious as well. I would bet $1000 that they had two endings written and filmed this part of the show only after they were renewed for season 3.
Maybe I have seen too many shows get canceled. I'll bet the alternate was Walt dying during surgery and Jesse committing suicide. Like I said earlier, it would be totally sweet if they actually filmed that other ending and have an alternate ending on the season 2 DVD/Bluray.
I kinda like that about Walt; with Jesse at this point, he came back (even if Jane did die) for Jesse and then he went into a dangerous place alone.. to find him. His own son seems distant from him at this point, although he bashed the hecklers leg in the clothing store (which if my dad/mom had done that or helped me stand up for myself back then i would not be so fearful of life now).
but-- Walt is finding his way, and Jesse is on that path. Helping Jesse may be helping himself (Walt) even as the cancer has created a path of evolution, Walt never would have expected to be on.
Skylar was brow beating Walt for a while now, and she needs to be tied up and taken away in a van (by Walt and Jesse) to the cook site and the fear of god put into her... 'd never say that in real life, but as a fictional story i just seemed to come to mind, but i am no writer. all i can do is love the good stuff like shows like this and the Shield and Deadwood.
and watch as many of you de-code the symbols; it is great stuff.
I guess we should really all be going to church and prayer meetings and getting ready for God - if my friend who preaches at me is correct. But I think for now i will stick to the PINK TEDDY BEAR forums.
THANKS to the Cas, Crew and Writers of BB, for a story to stay up all night to!
strattones said "After all, it was a clear day and the two planes simply appeared to be approaching the airport. For a show that has spent so much effort always keeping itself as realistic as possible, it seemed like a cheap or easy way to end the season."
Would you buy into the concept that Donald INTENTIONALLY crashed the planes? Like everyone has said, it is unrealistic on a clear day that such an accident would happen, but if it was intentional and done fast enough, it could easily happen that way.
Also, how about the idea that the writers and cast were under the impression that this was it (show canceled) and they had to go back and rewrite the ending and film with little time. Maybe they had no idea they would get a third season. After all, many on here and in the media acted surprised the show got a third season. Most of us love the show and considered it obvious the show would be back for season 3 but maybe it was closer to the chopping block than any of us realized.
Think about it. They had an ending written and maybe filmed and suddenly AMC calls Vincent and says, "We'd like to renew the show for another season." It could have been much worse. I don't think the ending was bad. I was just expecting more of a cliffhanger.
skottey-I also noticed that Walt called Jesse "son". I thought that was nice. As for Donald intentionally causing the crash, it could be, but to me, it seemed like he was so zoned out thinking about Jane that he didn't know what he was doing. If you're right about them filming this ending after the third season renewal, then I give them credit for coming up with this scenario on such short notice.
strattones-Thanks for saying you enjoy my posts! I enjoyed yours too. It wasn't too long at all. :)
I don't think that Walt was envious or had his pride hurt by Junior's charity site. Rather, I think Walt is coldly weighing the risk of the money laundering scheme being discovered versus the upset done to the tenuous family balance by shutting down the site; and the media attention was potentially disastrous to his secret. Walt shows nearly every characteristic of a sociopath - a manipulative, cunning and soulless evil-doer who with his every action works out the calculus between destroying his family, getting caught, and making more money. If there is a less sympathetic character on TV today I'd be surprised. (Full disclosure: this is the only show I watch).
Well, once again, they've got us thinking. I wonder if this thread will stay open all summer and how convoluted our theories will get in that time!
Anyway - my favorite line from last night's show was when Walt's son was praising his father for the TV camera and mentioned, "He knows everything there is to know about chemistry." Sure does. The show has lots of lines like that which give the viewer a wry chuckle.
I was really touched with the love that Walt showed Jesse, before the last episode I was bummed thinking that Walt was going to just be an asshole to Jesse over the dope. But he really cared and came through. And did anybody else realize this? He told Jesse, "I missed the birth of my Daughter because of you." When he told Gus that Jesse did what he told him and that he could trust him. He ended up telling Gus that he would never have to see Jesse again that Gus could just deal with Walt. Therefore he couldn't hardly have sent Jesse to do the deal, even though I am sure Gus himself was not at the sale, he promised him that they could deal with him directly. So Jesse at most could have only helped by meeting Walt with the stash. Not to go on about old shit. As for Skylar it just depends on who the liar and criminal is. After all he caught Ted in tax evaision and walked out claiming she would not report him but she could not be a part of it. Yet the very next day her Jeep pulled up to work, meaning that she was going to accept his criminal activity and become a party to the tax evaision. And by not running all of this by Walt and flirting with her boss when super pregnant with Walt's child, that makes her no better than Walt! She calls Walt a liar, what about what she has done?
rockmama-I thought the same thing when Junior said Walt knows everything about chemistry! :)
Doug-Very good point! I never even thought of that. You're right, Jesse couldn't have brought the meth there anyway, only Walt could have. So Jesse didn't make him miss Holly's birth at all.
Someone asked me way up page how I figured out Donald was an ATC. Sorry I forgot who it was and there are too many posts to go through now. There is an ATC credited on IMDb and I thought the only reason to have an ATC on the show is if there is a mid air collision caused by the ATC (isn't that what they do - or try not to do). Since we don't know what Donald does but did know that 'his grief leads to tragedy' it made sense that he was also an ATC (and it fits everything he has said about his job and also his demeanor seemed suited). I was thrilled to have figured it out but it took away all the surprise!
I don't think he intentionally caused the collision. I think he gave two approaching planes the same altitude (he became confused and distraught when he misheard Janes's name). But he noticed they were on a collision course and he could have reacted - he should have reacted to try to save the situation. His mute watching was a parallel to Walt's watching Jane die - decisions made in split seconds where inaction causes death. Unlike Walt, it wasn't done for self interest.
It's taken me some time to digest the ending and honestly it doesn't matter to me if I liked it or not. It is what it is and the writers are so brilliant that I applaud them for taking risks and not feeding us what we expect.
Why is everyone (myself included) happy that no one in Walt's family got killed and yet 167 innocent people just died in a horrible avoidable plane crash and we don't feel horrified?? Shouldn't we???
When Jesse said ,"I loved her more than any thing." It was the way he delivered that line that just killed me.
Jesse was unconscious at the time the deal was to go through. Walt didn't miss the birth of his daughter because of Jesse - he missed because of the score. That was an easy call for him. Traffic... yeah, traffic.
he said...I loved heroin more than any thing...lol
kafka-Wow, I didn't even think about that parallel. Donald staring at the screen was very similar to Walt staring at Jane, only this caused a lot more deaths. When Walt was watching Jane die, he never could have imagined that 167 people would die because of that!
I'd like a clarification just to expand on how idiotic this ending was on top of the ridiculous series of coincidences and utter pointlessness of it. Has there ever in the entire history of aviation been a mid-air collision by two airliners in flight caused by a flight controller not paying attention? Is such a thing even possible? I mean these planes do have radar don't they? The pilots aren't blind generally are they? And even if there were no radar, no air traffic controllers, and blind pilots, exactly how many planes are flying in the vast space above New Mexico at any given time that there is anything but the most infinitesimal chance of them somehow running into each other?
I don't feel that because it wouldn't of happened in real life, leads to the idea that Don caused the planes to crash on purpose.
Don stuffed his greif about his daughter's death , it resurfaced. But there are FAA safeguards, to monitor each controller. Weather and airplane malfunctions are out of the ordinary events.
I think it displays that they really didn't check out how far fetched the idea was. They were commited to a plane crash by the naming of the episodes.
It brings to mind about when they when out to the desert to cook for 4 days, they only took one conatiner of water.
Anyone who has spent any time out here in the high desert knows better than that. Even if you have a big ass jug , you're going to take something else too. More than you need.They weren't back packing up into the Pecos. A Rv for godsake.
A couple of six packs of beer at least. they both drink beer.
I bet they had a ending already on film, where the bear goes into the pool and Jesse is over Walt's house and him and Walt both get killed from plane debris but they had a out for a next season and we saw that.
Think about it, the show was on the bubble. They only got season 3 recently.
But here's a bigger question.
When Walt told Skyler not to leave and he would tell her everything.
Would he have told her that he was Albuquerque's Meth King Pin?
There have been other great shows that have done things that were unbelievable or unlikely to happen, but people kept watching them. I think the quality of Breaking Bad up till now is enough to let something slide if it's not totally realistic. I know I'll still be watching next season. By the way, Stavrogin, I love your avatar! Charlie from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia! :)
Did they name Walter's wife Skyler because "Sky" is a slang term for meth? If you notice, most people call her Sky. Very clever!
zia - I think he still would have lied to Skyler and told her that it was gambling winnings.
As for the unrealistic ending, it was meant to be unrealistic. What are the odds that Skyler is telling Walt everything she knows and leaving him at the exact moment that Donald goes back to work and causes a plane crash over their home? Possible but highly highly improbable. It reminds me of the frog shower in Magnolia (which I loved but which turned a lot of viewers off - it also was a known phenomenon). Just enjoy the spectacle.
"Has there ever in the entire history of aviation been a mid-air collision by two airliners in flight caused by a flight controller not paying attention? Is such a thing even possible? I mean these planes do have radar don't they?"
I can't answer the first question, but given the weather conditions during the show (unrestricted ceiling and unrestricted visibility), I find it highly improbable that two airliners commanded by professional pilots would collide in mid-air. The only way I can see this happening is if NOBODY on either plane was paying attention.
BTW: did anybody notice that Donald drives a Lincoln Navigator?
James - is Sky a slang term for meth? I tried to look that up but couldn't find anything except except it's used for oxycontin. But maybe urban dictionary isn't the best place to get that info ;) If so that's really cool.
Yeah, I thought of it last night when Gomez called Heisenberg's meth "Blue Sky".
kafka - If the writers originally thought the second season was their last and had to change the season finale after it had already been shot, I could certainly see your point. However, I read an interview with Vince Gilligan last night where he said that the plane collision was planned from the start. I forget his exact quote, but he said this was the first season of a show he had worked on where they planned the ending of the season from the beginning. Plus, when you consider that the names of the episodes with the teddy bear in them state "747 Down Over ABQ", I think that shows the whole thing was planned from the beginning.
As for Donald intentionally causing the planes to collide, I had seen that brought up earlier, but I'm not sure if it's true. I noticed that most of his scenes in the air traffic control tower were spent with him talking in an almost repetitive, automatic kind of way. I thought they were trying to suggest that he had gone on "autopilot." One part of his brain was doing it's thing while the other thought about Jane. The problem with that type of job, of course, is that you can't do that.
I'm sure it was meant to be vague though and that it could go either way. Maybe we will get an explanation of what happened next season.
strattones - I agree with you that the ending was planned from the beginning. Everything was moving towards it. What bothered me more than the plane crash was that they skipped 6 weeks - I didn't want to miss anything and felt a bit cheated!
Skyler's wife said she was going to visit her sister Marie.
With the new job in El Paso I suppose Marie's DEA husband moved there.
I suppose that puts her on the airplane.
I cannot believe that any dark comedy would script a baby to die.
I am also an addict of "Eastenders" on Channel 8 in Houston.
For some stupid reason "Eastenders" will be gone for a few weeks.
Anyone else notice how Jane grabbed the bag of money away from Jesse and said, "with this kind of money I could go anywhere, be anything"? Jesse doesn't realize it but that girl would have been his ruin. Still not to be too personal on here but my young girlfriend O'd and died in my bed and I have to give them credit, watching that disturbrd me to the core, it was very realistic and it about broke my heart when Jane's dad arrived I thought they all put in a hell of a performance on that.
Maybe here's an explanation for the plane crash...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/05/breaking-bad-perfect-season-ends-with-a-falling-sky.html
In the article above. The only window in the writer's room looked out at an airport with planes taking off and landing...
sorry to hear that Doug... I've lost a few friends myself
iandonmkelsey
Skyler's wife said she was going to visit her sister Marie.
With the new job in El Paso I suppose Marie's DEA husband moved there.
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Hank and Marie are still in Abq.
as Marie said to Skyler a few eps. back in refering to El Paso
Albuquerque is 3rd world enough ;)
Hey, in that article, the reviewer said the same thing about Sky's name that I did, that "Blue Sky" was a nickname for the meth!
Love the developing dynamic between Walt and Jesse. Aaron Paul has made us care about Jesse and thankfully the writers made Walt treat Jesse compassionately, the way the viewers yearn to.
I would just like to say that this is probably the best show I have ever seen. Sure, there are some unbelievable coincidences, but hey nothing is perfect.
If anyone wants to see a satellite view of where Walt White lives, go to Google Earth and go to the following coordinates: 35 (degrees) 07'34.22" N and 106(degrees) 32'11.86" W. Check it out, you can see the swimming pool in the back!
karfka,
pretty goood write up... but
At the top of the scene in the air-traffic control room, Jane’s dad, spouting off instructions to his planes, says, “Truth or Consequences” and gives an altitude reading on that plane. I thought this was another big wink from the writers to the audience, before later discovering that this was an actual city in New Mexico and so an air-traffic controller might actually say this. You gotta love symbolism.
What he said was the "altimeter setting" for the City of T or C.. not the altitude of the plane
You have to adjust that setting so you get a accurate altitude, due to changes in atmospheric pressure.
we're big on sky out here ;)
http://drinkbluesky.com/
TorC is a nice town, with lots of Hot Springs.. in fact the name used to be Hot Springs and they renamed it to the TV show
after going to the above linked article:(LA times)
I am quite amazed that people are so unhappy with the finale that they are not only trashing that episode in itself, but deciding to not watch the show any longer.
They crammed a lot into the finale and yes the last 1/4 of the show was a bit disjointed - perhaps--, but in this day and age of networks trending toward reality programming that aims at the lowest common denominator of social intellect; why would people pan a show; full of rich and textured symbolism and emotional content as well - is beyond my personal understanding at this point.
One look at the tv guide for any night gives a clue to the lack the richness in programming that could be out there.
everyone of us on this board that supports and talks about the details and notions of this show should be proud we have taste and brains to choose Breaking Bad over "American Idol" or any other BS reality type programming.
AGAIN KUDOS to AMC and The Entire Crew of BB.
(wether everyone agrees on the finale or not)
I think someone suggested a 2 hour special would have been appropriate; I now agree. But- we get a Season 3 to look forward to!
The way TV is going to hell and every new show is some stupid talent contest or popularity contest where a bunch of people try to win the $100,000 dollars, and people pay AT&T $.65 to vote for there favorites. And supposed reality tv. TV is mostly going to hell. This show is a blessing!
tooty toot toot...lol
yep that's it.. I managed to find it from the aerial footage at the end last night
spotted the golf course on academy and worked it out..was all that easy when they flipped all around
how did you do it???
or lat 35.126104 long -106.536533
for you decimal folks
Heres a thought.
What if Saul has not yet gotten his computer hacker to get the zombies moving along and "Save Walter White.com" has been getting legitimate donors from day one.
Wouldn't that throw Walt for a loop?
I"m not usually one to try and make predictions on this show but I see so many of you out there doing it I thought I might put this pan into the fire and see how it turns out.
hey, i loaded up google earth newest version and could not make it take me to coordinates.
any suggestions?
Hey-
did anyone notice that the pink bear is in the Twaughthammer video?
To synaptic45caliber:
Unfortunately, I am not that good with Google Earth myself. I would suggest going to Google Earth, typing in Albuquerque, NM, and then "panning" around for the "ballpark" coordinates. After that, zoom in slowly and fine-tune your search. I hope this helps.
Kafka: "His mute watching was a parallel to Walt's watching Jane die - decisions made in split seconds where inaction causes death"
Yes! I was about to post this same thing. This show is just so friggin brillliant, I can't stand it!
Just some other random questions / thoughts.......
My friend at work thinks Donald intentionally crashed those planes. I think it was he had a meltdown/anxiety attack and didn't mean to do it.
Also, does Saul know that Walt's brother in law is a DEA agent? If so, then Gus would have known too, right? If Gus didn't know, what will he do now? Will he make Walt try to get info from Hank on the DEA's suspicions, investigations and operations?
What do you think Skyler will tell Marie and Hank about why they are breaking up?
When / how will Hank figure out that Walt is "Heisenberg?"
Wonder if anyone important was on the plane?
Are the two bodies from the plane or from collateral damage on the ground, and who are they and are they important to the story? I'm thinking they were on the ground.
When will Walt figure out that the plane crash was caused by Jane's father? Then what will he do? What will happen to Donald now? Will he kill himself? With heroin? Meth?
Hey- did anyone notice the pink bear in the Twaughthammer video? It's visable a few times.
To synaptic45caliber
or piermont dr. albquerque,nm and it will take you to the street
jesse at terrace pl. and lead
combo death at hazeldine and 2nd.. the funny little triangle area
jesse's aunt is over near 16th st sw... too hard to see to get closer.. it's a driveby ;)
As for the 2 body bags at the end of the episode, has anyone thought about it being random peoples body parts? We are all trying to guess which characters they may be, but I am thinking its only parts of people. I dont think we are losing any existing characters for the opening of season 3. What do you all think about this????
As for the 2 body bags at the end of the episode, has anyone thought about it being random peoples body parts? We are all trying to guess which characters they may be, but I am thinking its only parts of people. I dont think we are losing any existing characters for the opening of season 3. What do you all think about this????
James26 said "kafka-Wow, I didn't even think about that parallel. Donald staring at the screen was very similar to Walt staring at Jane, only this caused a lot more deaths. When Walt was watching Jane die, he never could have imagined that 167 people would die because of that!"
Hey, I am missing something. Where did the 167 number come from? I watched the show twice and didn't catch that anywhere. Planes collide, they show Walt look up and watch the pink stuffed animal fall in the pool, credits roll. Where did that number come from?
I'm going through withdrawl already. This season was so amazing. It started with me thinking this was one of the best shows I had seen in years. To being undoubtedly, the best show I have ever seen. This made up for me sitting through a painful last three years of the Soprano's, waiting for something good to happen. It made Sunday my favorite day of the week, and each new