you know it's going down in a big way tonight. Although i fear for jesse's future i want to point out that at no point has he been shady in any way with the money. A partner is a partner and if walt breaks the code, he deserves retribution. anyways, we'll see.
My hope is that it is Heisenberg rising from the ashes of Walt. Hopefully we will finally get a catalyst agent to make the final transition. Just my hope. 1 hour 15 to go :(
Went to my first AA meeting today. Saw my daughter in rehab. I feel bad that we had to send her to rehab in the middle of the season and she's a big BB fan too. =(
15 minutes and counting. Phoenix, the city maybe, but the glorious bird that burns up and then rises up from the ashes? I can't wait. Why oh why is Sunday night always the night the kid won't go to bed on time??? I'm rushing to get him to go to sleep so I can relax and get my fix with BB.
15 minutes and counting. Phoenix, the city maybe, but the glorious bird that burns up and then rises up from the ashes? I can't wait. Why oh why is Sunday night always the night the kid won't go to bed on time??? I'm rushing to get him to go to sleep so I can relax and get my fix with BB.
If anyone in the east coast could give those of us in the west a quick recap of the first 10 minutes, that would be bomb yo.
Kafka, Bill W has been a good friend of mine for the the past 4 years. I love this show, but theres nothing greater than a good meeting. Keep comming back, it works if you work it so work it couse shes worth it.
Wow, just crazy... Jane dies and Walt watched her... Did she have a seizure or just choke to death? I think Walt could've saved her but figured it'd be better off with her gone for Jesse's sake. Walt really does have a heart and cares of Jesse. He thinks of him as family... I really didn't expect Jane to go out so quickly.
I said last week that I think that Skylar and Jesse would be in the body bags... Maybe Jesse and Hank? Jane is dead now. Great EPISODE! I love this show. What everyone else think? I would not have givin the money to Jesse. It's good that Jane died, for real. I was hateing her so bad through the whole episode. It's sad about Jane's Dad though... he's a good man and it's crazy he and Walt crossed paths before anything happened. That's going to become something down the road. If Skylar doesn't die (probably wont), then there will be something going on with Ted. Only one more episode to go! :( What's up my BB peeps?
that was a great episode saul is a genius embezzleing the money in the whites family fund and the part with janes dad coming in and figureing it all out i also liked the part where walt talked to janes dad at the bar and its funny how two people who dont even relize they are linked in fate because walt later kills his daughter it was well wrote the season finale looks good to and it explains the body bags and bodies near the pool but the only thing i wonder is if walt will clean his prints off the needle and door because if he dont hes in a world of fucked so to say good job on the show
I definitely didn't see it come it coming, I thought it'd be too obvious for Jane to be the one to die, but by the time she was threatening Walt I WANTED her gone. That moment at the end I was damn near screaming at the TV: "LET HER FUCKING DIE." My adrenaline is still up there hahaha.
I dont know what im gonna do when the season ends, how long will we have to wait for season 3!?
...and Jimi Hendrix. I didn't know that John DeLancie was Eugene Bradford on "Days of Our Lives." I really liked "High Tides and Green Grass" by the Outlaws during the bar scene. Awesome tunes.
Skyler still thinks Walt is stepping out on her? Did any of you catch her cellphone comment on the previews? Next weeks going to be awesome.
Heisenberg rising ! Didn't take him long to decide whether to help Jane or NOT ! He sure likes it when problems solve themselves eh? (Yes I'm Canadian) Jane, the skank, gets what she earns and deserves. This leaves hope for Jesse, if he can get over her without going od himself. Maybe he'll see the light and pee in the jar.
Heisenberg's problem with the money solves itself too when his son unknowingly gives him the perfect answer to laundering the money. A charity website! With his picture plastered all over the web. Love the irony of that one.
Also love the money he can't launder, being hidden in the walls of the LAUNDRY ROOM ! Vince, your writers are killing me!
Skylar singing daddy's gonna buy you a __________(fill in the blank) rofl.
Walt and Jane's Dad meeting in the bar discussing the trials of family members with problems? You gotta be kidding. This episode just didn't quit. You knew somebody was going to die, but the dark side jokes were just coming and coming... it was great. I can't wait until next week.
I think Walt caused Jane's death when she got pushed while he was shaking Jesse. Remember earlier when Jane told Jesse he needs to be on his side, not on his back, in case he throws up after injecting himself with heroin?
It also seemed that Walt was starting to help her but then he stopped... but I am not sure if he actually could do anything for her. It did seem that he felt very sorry when he was watching her coughing.
Anyway that's one element out of the equation, and it looks like things will be a little less complicated for him now.
Wow! Great episode. I have to say that Jesse's girl got way to far up in the middle of his business....but i did not expect her to die... i hope they dont leave us hangin on who is in the body bags. This show is awsome A++
Look people... if you havn't seen the show yet, stay off this board. Jesse I think is going to self destruct because of what happened to Jane... he is like a little kid (like when jane put the pillow behind Jesse after Walt put the towel behind his newborn daughter). I love this show and I AM going to go through withdraws BIG TIME when this show was over... I wish it was year round!
They're not gonna be checking for prints, she choked to death on her own vomit caused by the heroin she was using. This kind of things happens, ALL THE TIME. There won't be any need for a criminal investigation. She's dead, she was clearly doing heroin, it's there cut and clear.
Also, for fuckssake learn to write a proper sentence, that was painful to read.
Just watching next week's sneak peek... She take's Walts glasses when he is prepping for surgery... So that can explain why his glasses have been in the *explosion* scene that showed up at the previous episodes without Walt ending up in a body bag.
Also, Walt's messed up on the painkillers before surgery and admits he has more than one cell phone to skylar... She's going to be doing some snooping and if she confides that to Marie, who tells Hank, and if they find the phone/get the records of Walt calling Pinkman a lot... Their asses aren't in the clear here.
I think savewaltwhite.com is the next challenge Walt will face. His picture and name are on the internet, along with the rest of his family. It also looks that he will be on the TV after they interview the family about the website. Will anyone recognize him and know the true identity of Heisenberg???
Dang. That was the saddest episode yet. Great though. I wonder how this makes other people feel, with respect to how you feel towards Walt. Personally, this makes me like Walt more. This episode showed both how caring, and how cold he can be. It depends on how you felt about Jane, I guess.
She definitely choked to death on her own vomit. I was actually pretty surprised Walt let her die.. The last episode will probably focus on Jesse and Walters relationship.
She definitely choked to death on her own vomit. I was actually pretty surprised Walt let her die.. The last episode will probably focus on Jesse and Walters relationship.
Killa Carn, good call on the parallel with Walt putting a towel behind his daughter's back and Jane putting a pillow behing Jesse's back so they don's aspirate if they "spit up".
MrWhite340. Reading what you last posted makes a lot of sense. There is not going to be any finger print mishaps from the heroin needle it wouldn't make sense. It's going to be a long bumpy road for Walt. I could see Hank ending up in one of the body bags because he realy might start to catch on to what Walt is doing. Jesse and Hank are the 2 I'm going to go with in the body bags... I hope I'm wrong because that wouldn't be a suprise. This episode is TOP 2 out of the entire series. AMAZING STORY. Great thread!
Walt did not kill Jane. He didn't help her either - probably could've flipped her over just in time to save her, but...... then the word "blackmail" probably came to mind, yo.
Too bad really, I really liked this show until the last two episodes. Now they have turned the two main characters into people that I no longer care about or root for. Jesse was was a sympathetic character until he dragged his girlfriend down junkie lane and Walt was a great character until he just sat there and watched her die without trying to save her at all. Don't give me any crap that he was trying to save Jesse or himself by letting her die either. This was a bad writing decision. I need a reason to care about these people, otherwise its just a story about a drug dealer and a junkie. These things happen some times. The Riches went to hell too quickly as well.
My guess to the season finally. West coasters, look away!
Its hard to get away with someone dying in your home, especially when the person is your landlord.
Jesse will have to call the police.
This leads to shit tons of problems for Walt.
There may be a wee bit o the "blue stuff" in his house, and there is most likely still a few messages on his phone. Not to mention Walt picked up the needle, with his bare hands.
A police investigation would place him at the scene, and since it would involve drugs it would involve the DEA. And with the DEA comes Hank, recognizing the voice on the messages automatically.
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The event of Jane's death will have to be reported to police, and they will take the drugs as evidence. They will see a connection between the meth in the house and "Heisenberg" and he will have no way to avoid ratting out Walt. Not to mention they probably have Walts fingerprints on the needle and the backdoor knob, and possibly have his voice on the answering machine, which Hank would recognize.
Awesome episode. Comming from a long-time former heroin addict, It was pretty realistic. This show makes me want to puke and cum at the same time, I can't stop watching It.
Wow i thought at first Walt was going to save her! but i see why he had to do that... She did kind of put herself in that position. And was way to deep into knowing about EVERYTHING as she put it... She had no clue about the relationship between Walt and Jesse not to mention everything those two went through together. Only one episode left i hope they don't leave us hanging on who is in the two body bags. Great show A++
i was actually hoping he would do the right thing and save her. Jesse will definitely be facing charges as it happened in his house, not to mention her father's vendetta. An eye for an eye seems right. Having seen walt's face, maybe he's the cause of the bodybags?
Greatest episode yet. Emmys for Saul, Jesse, and Heisenberg. I cant wait for next week. I would like to type more but I need to rewatch the episode. I hope everyone on the cast and crew know how much we appreciate this high calibre entertainment. If any of you ever get around to reading this, congrats. It is of the highest quality. Pure as crystal, i hope this show ends properly before it "Breaks Bad".
Jesse sure gets his ire up when he meets up with Mr White in the classroom. Blaming Walt for letting him worry all day about loosing the stuff when he knew what had happened. I truly think he surprised Walt when he threw the beaker at him. That's the strongest spine he's shown in a long time. Walt's starting to think like Gus though, that he can never trust a junkie. Or is he feeling paternal to Jesse now that he's a dad again and doing the paternal thing at home? When Jane first gets her mitts on the money it's Me ME Me, and it takes a bit before she starts using We in the plans. You had to know the plan to get clean first wouldn't last. I think Walt really did care about Jesse or he wouldn't have gone back to the house to check on him.
I'm proud of Walt for letting Jane perish. Initially I was really feeling her character, when she pulled that blackmail on Walt I honestly thought he was going to have her killed. I guess it worked out for the best, I couldn't stand her. As far as the body bags go, I say Hank & Gretchen... I know it's kind of a stretch that the both of them are together to get murdered, but I can see Hank catching on to what Walt is doing and Gretchen already knows too much.... Great episode Good Bye Jane :)
Hank hearing Walt's voice on the answering machine... YES! Sounds about right ;) Good call AfterImage. Man this show is great. Also, the one who said that the show is over because they don't like the main characters anymore... The drug dealing and murder that came before this should have done it for you.
Your assessment about jesse calling the police is flat out wrong. The sneak preview clearly shows an Agent of Saul's showing up to take care of the whole mess. Jesse calls Walt in it, and Walt says hell take care of it. Walt will then call Saul and they make the body disappear. She ran off with her dealer ;) I dont know where Jane went.
What Jane was doing to herself, her father, and to Jesse is all wrong, but I do sympathize with her character. Her demons are in control of her life though. I felt really bad for her. But I strongly disagree with anyone saying that Walt is responsible for her death. Yes, Walt did not come to her rescue, but he also did not put the needle in her arm. It is tragic but her story happens all the time... She choked on her vomit while high and unconscious.
The way that I see things work out. I think Jane's father will be out for revenge on Jesse. He will put a lot of heat on Jesse and it will result in it affecting Walt in some way. I really don't think Walt will die. I also don't think Jesse will either. This show won't be the same with out Jesse. I think it will be Jane's dad and maybe Saul who will be in the bags.
I really liked Jane until the last couple episodes, Good riddance, way to go gracefully. The bear with the missing eye is driving me crazy for some reason, I hope we don't have to wait till next season to find out about it. Superb episode, as always, this week. walt shouldn't worry about the fingerprints on the heroin needle, I'm sure Jesse will get rid of everything before investigators arrive.
Jesse sure gets his ire up when he meets up with Mr White in the classroom. Blaming Walt for letting him worry all day about loosing the stuff when he knew what had happened. I truly think he surprised Walt when he threw the beaker at him. That's the strongest spine he's shown in a long time. Walt's starting to think like Gus though, that he can never trust a junkie. Or is he feeling paternal to Jesse now that he's a dad again and doing the paternal thing at home? When Jane first gets her mitts on the money it's Me ME Me, and it takes a bit before she starts using We in the plans. You had to know the plan to get clean first wouldn't last. I think Walt really did care about Jesse or he wouldn't have gone back to the house to check on him.
That website Walt Jr. set up with Walt's name and picture plastered all over it willcome back to haunt him.
Jane is dead! As Afterimage just wrote above, her death in Jesse's bed will cause a huge world of shit with Walt and Jesse, especially when her Old Man finds out! WooooHooooo! This last episode is gonna be something else! That'd be ultra-cool if it was a 2 hour finale!!
I knew that when Walt shook Jesse that there was something wrong with Jane by the way she just flopped over. She had just ODed because they were celebrating and they wanted to use the last of the heroin before they went clean. Jane eventually choked on her own vomit. As Walt was freaking out because he had decided to let her die, I was applauding, "I FUCKING LOVE THIS SHOW!" LMAO. No really, it's the only show I watch on t.v. that I CAN NOT MISS.
Hello, my name is Danielle and I'm a Walter White Addict.
I ultimately think Jane was a good person that made bad choices. I think she honestly cared for Jesse after the last two episodes. She knows they need to get clean but drugs are always taunting addicts. I don't like how everybody *hates* Jane. Yah she got into their business but she wasn't hateful about it. She admitted she wouldn't actually snitch on Walt to Jesse.
Hey, whoever guessed that www.savewalterwhite.com was a real website--- great call! That's awesome.
Anyways, I was being pulled it two directions on this one. I was actually sad for Jane, but she was probably going to be a goner, sooner or later, one way or another. Now it's a question of how Jesse copes. This could either snap him back into the real world, or he could go bat shit crazy. We'll see.
I think all of you who think jesse is going to contact the police are missing the sneak peaks clues. Walt gets Saul to get some muscle to take care of the body. No police.
Good call, I'm with you on that prediction. Walt is like a father to Jesse and he'll be the first one he calls when he wakes up and "doesn't know what to do." Saul's agent taking care of the 'dirty business,' most definitely.
Unless I've missed it no one has mentioned the pink teddy bear in the motel parking lot. I'm sure there would a pool in that tacky mid-century Motel complex. This got me to thinking that Walt would transport Jane's body and dump it there. However, I've yet to figure out who'd be corpse #2. Here's a wild guess...SAUL!!
"I ultimately think Jane was a good person that made bad choices. I think she honestly cared for Jesse after the last two episodes. She knows they need to get clean but drugs are always taunting addicts. I don't like how everybody *hates* Jane. Yah she got into their business but she wasn't hateful about it. She admitted she wouldn't actually snitch on Walt to Jesse.
" -MrWhite340
I agree completely MrWhite.
People seem to have very little empathy for her. Yes she's a fuck-up, but that should only make you feel even more bad for her....not hate her.
I would think that Jesse would remove/destroy/flush any and all evidence before calling the authorites. In his panic, He would probably not think to delete his answering machines mesages, though.
Saul is the man, as is Walt. Now I have this possible arch in the story of Walt getting Saul to take care of Jane. That's what so great about this show! Keeps me on my toes all week and Sunday never comes fast enough!
Psyclon-B, it could be janes Dad. After that talk in the bar he may go over to see her the next day while they are cleaning up the body. Remember his comments in the bar about training the new recruits and they will hire anybody... this could be a big spoiler but i think Janes Dad is CIA!
Yeah, I noticed Walt turned the baby on it's side, and then Jane did the same for Jesse. She got what was coming to her.
I thought for sure she was duping Jesse into getting high, then taking off with the loot. I thought Walt was going to catch her in the action. So do you think Walt takes the money for Jesse's sake? I'm thinking not, because Jesse would have known he was there.
If Jane's dad was the CIA would hew need to call the police? Wouldn't he just call his CIA buddies on Jesse? Anyway, I think that maybe Jane was in the body bag in Walt's car and the other body bag is someone else who was at Walt's house... maybe Jane's Dad? or Jesse? I'm so pumped up still about this episode!
OK one other observation although it's probably way off base. In next week's preview they show a man walking up to Jesse, while he's sitting on his front steps, saying something about being sent by so and so (can't remember specifics). With the quick view I had it looked like/sounded like Hank.
I need to rethink who'll be corpse #2...maybe it'll be Hank, but of course it could be Jane's Dad because if he doesn't die he will be another BIG problem for both Jesse and Walt. Then again Eugene Bradford would be a great cast member next season.
WOW! I thought Walt was going to turn Jane over when she started choking, then she would be indebted to him for saving her life. But I think he remembered "you can't trust a junkie." Jane was just getting in the way too much. Walt does really have fatherly feelings for Jessie, and it is really upsetting him to see him using the hard stuff. I love that he was going to make him pee in a cup before he gave him the cash.
Can't wait until the finale! I hope it's more than 1 hour long. We've got lots of things to cover.
LOL my wife said the same thing about Kid Rock!! So is dead Janes Daddy Q in the policia, FBI, or what? Did anyone catch that comment he made while having lunch with Jane about training? Oh well, I'll guess he's gonna get some off time now lol.
Wow! What an amazing episode! I just sat there stunned as Walt let her choke. Kinda sad about it considering I enjoyed looking at her nice bum!
For all the folks saying Walter is in trouble, yeah maybe, but not really.
1. Jesse surely would have deleted the messages.
2. There is no more "Big Blue" in the house. Maybe a small amount Jesse and Jane were using with the heroin, but not enough to matter. Jesse could have gotten it anywhere.
3. Nobody knows Walter and Jesse have a partnership outside of a few people. Walt and Jesse know, they ain't talking. Tuco's dad or granddad or whomever knows, and he didn't rat them out and coincidentally, he can't talk. Mr. Gustavo who bought the drugs from Walt knows, I doubt he's squealing. Saul, their lawyer/money launderer knows, he ain't talking.
So, if the cops even did bother to run prints off that needle (which they wouldn't), they wouldn't know who they belonged to. I doubt Walter is in a national database of criminals. So, the cops have no way to connect Walt to Jesse.
4. Why would Jesse tell the cops anything if they were hassling him? At worst he catches a case for possession of a controlled substance if they find her and the drugs in his apartment. If he tells them all about him and Walter, he's looking at going away for life. It wouldn't make sense.
This is of course assuming that Walter didn't go ahead and get rid of the body. He's already got experience in that field, or did we all forget about Crazy 8 already?
The only thing Walt has to worry about is Skylar hounding him about his cell phones and his son's website. Not that anyone knows about Walter dealing drugs anyway. Maybe someone that saw him at Tuco's could put 2 and 2 together? Past that, he's clean.
Obviously, something happens to have his car looking all shot up and for two body bags to be in his driveway. Still, I just don't think it's anything you guys are coming up with.
I honestly thought Jane was one of the bodies in the bags. Since that's obviously not the case. . .I'm thinking Hank/Marie. To be truthful, I have no idea at this point. Which is why this show is so F'ing awesome. Usually I'd have it pegged already, but with this I just don't know.
Wow! What an amazing episode! I just sat there stunned as Walt let her choke. Kinda sad about it considering I enjoyed looking at her nice bum!
For all the folks saying Walter is in trouble, yeah maybe, but not really.
1. Jesse surely would have deleted the messages.
2. There is no more "Big Blue" in the house. Maybe a small amount Jesse and Jane were using with the heroin, but not enough to matter. Jesse could have gotten it anywhere.
3. Nobody knows Walter and Jesse have a partnership outside of a few people. Walt and Jesse know, they ain't talking. Tuco's dad or granddad or whomever knows, and he didn't rat them out and coincidentally, he can't talk. Mr. Gustavo who bought the drugs from Walt knows, I doubt he's squealing. Saul, their lawyer/money launderer knows, he ain't talking.
So, if the cops even did bother to run prints off that needle (which they wouldn't), they wouldn't know who they belonged to. I doubt Walter is in a national database of criminals. So, the cops have no way to connect Walt to Jesse.
4. Why would Jesse tell the cops anything if they were hassling him? At worst he catches a case for possession of a controlled substance if they find her and the drugs in his apartment. If he tells them all about him and Walter, he's looking at going away for life. It wouldn't make sense.
This is of course assuming that Walter didn't go ahead and get rid of the body. He's already got experience in that field, or did we all forget about Crazy 8 already?
The only thing Walt has to worry about is Skylar hounding him about his cell phones and his son's website. Not that anyone knows about Walter dealing drugs anyway. Maybe someone that saw him at Tuco's could put 2 and 2 together? Past that, he's clean.
Obviously, something happens to have his car looking all shot up and for two body bags to be in his driveway. Still, I just don't think it's anything you guys are coming up with.
I honestly thought Jane was one of the bodies in the bags. Since that's obviously not the case. . .I'm thinking Hank/Marie. To be truthful, I have no idea at this point. Which is why this show is so F'ing awesome. Usually I'd have it pegged already, but with this I just don't know.
Come to think of it, if jane's dad does show up to take her to rehab, he'll definitely be in the other bodybag. That's where Saul's agent comes in to take the corpses away.
I almost never have anything negative to say about this show but the character of Jane really irks me. At first we see her as clean and enjoying her recovery. I know that people will point out "Why did she let Jesse rent there in the first place" but I think she was just attracted to the "bad-boy" type not secretly longing for crystal myth.
Then magically Ms. Prim and Proper transitions into a heroin dope fiend skank. For a character who I thought would really b*tch slap Jesse with some sense she turns into Ms. "You can never recover from drugs ever, even with tons of therapy and rehab." I'm glad that Walt let her die. You mess with the bull you get the horns (Don't blackmail Heisenberg!)
I know this may sound really immoral and evil but was anyone else looking at the needle and thinking about trying to make Jesse have an OD. The needle was probably empty though. I'm sure if he looked around he could have found some way to do the trick. (Plastic bag over the face, painkillers, etc.) With the two out of the way he could have all the money. Unfortunately, I don't think Walt has the cajones to do it. (stupid morality)
I felt so bad for Jane's father. He seems to have done everything and he ends up with a blackmailing fiend junkie. Saul is great as always. ZOMBIES! Hank is always a great addition. Can't wait for the finale.
Whoa BBisAWESOME! You like caps? ANyway, its a board about what has happened on the show and what might happen. Nobody KNOWS what will happen next week unless they were in direct contact with the making of the show... which I would think would be illegal to all employees involved with this great show. I would have to say that it makes the most sense that Jane's dad will arrive first at the house... maybe Jesse opens the door for him or freaks out and tries to think of something like "She's not here."
Peace, Love, and Chicken Grease! (get it... Chicken Grease?)
Wow! What an amazing episode! I just sat there stunned as Walt let her choke. Kinda sad about it considering I enjoyed looking at her nice bum!
For all the folks saying Walter is in trouble, yeah maybe, but not really.
1. Jesse surely would have deleted the messages.
2. There is no more "Big Blue" in the house. Maybe a small amount Jesse and Jane were using with the heroin, but not enough to matter. Jesse could have gotten it anywhere.
3. Nobody knows Walter and Jesse have a partnership outside of a few people. Walt and Jesse know, they ain't talking. Tuco's dad or granddad or whomever knows, and he didn't rat them out and coincidentally, he can't talk. Mr. Gustavo who bought the drugs from Walt knows, I doubt he's squealing. Saul, their lawyer/money launderer knows, he ain't talking.
So, if the cops even did bother to run prints off that needle (which they wouldn't), they wouldn't know who they belonged to. I doubt Walter is in a national database of criminals. So, the cops have no way to connect Walt to Jesse.
4. Why would Jesse tell the cops anything if they were hassling him? At worst he catches a case for possession of a controlled substance if they find her and the drugs in his apartment. If he tells them all about him and Walter, he's looking at going away for life. It wouldn't make sense.
This is of course assuming that Walter didn't go ahead and get rid of the body. He's already got experience in that field, or did we all forget about Crazy 8 already?
The only thing Walt has to worry about is Skylar hounding him about his cell phones and his son's website. Not that anyone knows about Walter dealing drugs anyway. Maybe someone that saw him at Tuco's could put 2 and 2 together? Past that, he's clean.
Obviously, something happens to have his car looking all shot up and for two body bags to be in his driveway. Still, I just don't think it's anything you guys are coming up with.
I honestly thought Jane was one of the bodies in the bags. Since that's obviously not the case. . .I'm thinking Hank/Marie. To be truthful, I have no idea at this point. Which is why this show is so F'ing awesome. Usually I'd have it pegged already, but with this I just don't know.
There are dozens of posts in this thread with spoilers, and mine is not the first one. Mine, however, is the only one so far who has a spoiler alert. In addition, I wasn't going to post any spoilers until I saw everyone else doing that.
Maybe Jesse ends up killing Jane's Father after Jane's Father shows up and freaks out and attacks Jesse. He said family is what makes everything worth it, it's all anyone really has. Then Saul sends some dudes to clean up the 2 bodies.... yet another possibility.
"If Jane's dad was the CIA would hew need to call the police? Wouldn't he just call his CIA buddies on Jesse? Anyway, I think that maybe Jane was in the body bag in Walt's car and the other body bag is someone else who was at Walt's house... maybe Jane's Dad? or Jesse? I'm so pumped up still about this episode!"
I don't think CIA handles nor cares about a little drug bust so I have a suspicion that Jane's dad does have some sort of government/law enforcement role and his daughter ending up dead with everything that happened that day... I think Jesse will be put under the microscope as Donald will attribute Jane's death to Jesse.
Whatever ADEL....if your posting something that was in the preview for the next show then its not a spoiler and you shouldn't label it as so.
If your labeling spoiler then I'm assuming your reading to much on the web and tv guide and finding information that others don't know. If your doing this then STOP.
If your just writing whats in the preview, stop labeling it spoiler...
Does anyone have thoughts on the significance of the Phoenix Mars Lander discovering water on Mars?
The scene where he brings his new daughter to see the cash was compelling. It seemed to signify that Walt's disease (tragic downfall) is now greed and not the cancer and it also paralleled the enabling relationship between Jane's father and Jane.
The end seen reminded me of when Tony Soprano choked junkie Christopher.
Watching the previews for next week again, I gotta wonder, where is Walt in the scene with the graffiti'd wall behind him? Walt let jane die to save jesse and he'll take that to his grave I think, no reason for jesse to ever find out.
Yeah, I don't know much abou the CIA or law enforcement in general... I hate the feds... (I smoke pot and getting busted for it while people are getting raped or murdered makes no sense). So yes, it is a possibility that Jane's Father is a fed. So if he is..... he sucks. ;)
There is a fine line when creating a sympathetic character. Sympathetic does not mean perfect by any means. We can root for characters despite their flaws and mistakes. For me, when Walt watches her die without lifting a finger he crosses the line from being sympathetic to being a despicable person. Jesse is just a less interesting character as a non functional heroin addict. I am caring about him less and less.
Don't you think you're being immature and obnoxious? The name calling, the excessive exclamation points... what are you, 10 years old? You like typing with the caps lock key on but couldn't read the capitalized warning in his/her message: "---- SPOILER ALERT ----"
If you don't want to read spoilers, you move on to the next post. If the next post looks like it may address AdeL77, you move on to the next one.
Also, his/her post (the one with the "---- SPOILER ALERT ----") was about events in this episode, which he/she has every right to discuss. It is your fault for reading posts in this thread before watching the entire episode.
Finally, discussion of the AMC preview of the next episode does not spoil anything.
HAHA, couldn't stop laughing when she died. Christ, she had it coming though! I mean it was all she could do... claw for the money and talk about it at every scene she was in, as if she has any right to it! When he said 480 thou and fell on the bed you could see the machinations of greed turn over in her mind. God, I'm glad that cunt is dead.
Walt cried for himself and what lows he's had to endure to protect his family... this repugnant death of a disgusting soul was likely one of his toughest moments yet. Somehow though, the finale previews make this episode look like the calm before the storm.
I think that the reporting covering him on local TV (at the least) is going to give him a helluva lot of unneeded attention. I wonder who will start showing up at his door now...
Hello, new to the forum.. I also checked out savewalterwhite.com to see if it would actually exist. The part where it say "He likes to cook
because of chemistry - he mostly makes breakfast" is pretty funny. I had to read it twice because it through me off for a second. Clever.
walt is now responsible either directly or indirectly for at least 6 deaths. Emelio, Crazy 8, Spooge, Tuco, Combo, and now Jane. Admittedly, most of these characters are dirtbags, but if there's any humanity left it's got to be struggling, especially with two more waiting in the wings. Good luck sleeping at night.
barlow,
I don't think Walt was being despicable.
He's a very cautious person, and has his priorities.
His family with his new addition, and his reputation.
He knows nothing of Jane, other than she is black mailing him. He also asked, "How do I know you won't talk", and she said "You don't". She's a black mailing junkie who could bring down everything around him. She's also bad for Jesse, so what would Walt gain in saving her?
She's the biggest risk, and the problem just worked itself out.
I think that the reporter covering him on local TV (at the least) is going to give him a helluva lot of unneeded attention. I wonder who will start showing up at his door now...
Odds are I have a better job than you and an income your mom wished you could have. My life is fine and I enjoy living everyday.
It's unfortunate you make yourself feel better through the internet but hey to each his own.
Odds are also that I'm older than you, and no I don't find it immature to call people retarded when they give me reason to believe that is what they are.
I'm sorry I use exclamation points. Obviously you don't understand punctuation and why it's used. The caps lock was for one post to grab attention.
I think Jane's dad will turn out to be CIA working undercover as an embedded distributer in the mexican drug cartel shadowing Heisenberg, and in an ultimate irony it will be revealed that he was originally a New Zealand national who grew up in Auckland as a teenage bush pilot.
The bodybags will contain the corpses of Tio and Jessie's mom, who were secretly having an affair.
Lol @ BBisAWESOME! Dude, I can see you as being a complete prick who nobody like because he thinks he is better than everyone else. LOL! Ok everyone... we are here to talk about Breaking Bad. Not to bust eachother's balls!
Walter White is the Phoenix, he is reborn in this episode. Walter is a conflicted man, but his old compassionate side exploded and poured out all over the place. He even opened up to a complete stranger, none other than Jane's Dad. I liked the way they used the Outlaws song in the bar scene, nice touch there.
I don't read these forums before the show. This thread is labeled "episode 12 open thread" so why would you need to place a SPOILER ALERT about something that someone would expect to see in this thread?
I didn't read his post because I was assuming it was a spoiler. A spoiler to me would be confirmed info about upcoming episodes.....
Also, I was just thinking of this.
Paypal charges 3%. So Walt's losing 15k, but I guess it's a small price to pay.
The whole "Zombie" talk wasn't very realistic.
It doesn't matter that it comes from multiple computers, paypal transactions are on a per-account basis. To process thousands of transactions, you'd have to have thousands of Paypal accounts, meaning thousands of bank accounts.
It's TV, I guess it doesn't need to be realistic :)
After thinking about it, was it absolutely clear that Jane died? I thought so when I watched the episode but I remember Vince GIllian talking about Romeo and Juliet type of relationship. Perhaps she isn't dead but just seems dead.
Hey, first time user of this forum. Everybody needs to check out savewalterwhite.com. The part where it said "He likes to cook because of chemistry - he mostly makes breakfast" is pretty funny. I had to read it twice cuz it threw me off for a second. I actually got a little teary eyed reading through the page. I know it isn't real but it's so heartfelt and got me thing about my old man. The part where it says "One thing I don't understand is why saving someone's life costs more than a regular person can pay" really got me thinking. I've never looked at it that way before. The site also directs you to a link for a cancer donation site, which I think is pretty fucking cool of them to do.
My name is Cameron so I just use Killa Cam... I guess Cam'Ron used it and I'm a poser but whatever. :) But anyway, don't let what people say get to you. I mean shit, if your the shit, then ignore that shit!
optics, I disagree, though I appreciate where you are coming from. It seems that most people agree with you, which is good for the show. My gut reaction to the scene was that Walt's character acted cowardly and selfishly and so I am losing interest in him. Certainly they put some (not enough?) effort into making Jesse's girlfriend a villain which apparently mitigates things for viewers. For me, it just turned me off of Walt.
No your not a poser and I'm not sure what would give you the idea that's what I was trying to get at. Seems you have a preconceived disposition towards me.
Either way I apologize if I was rude. Apparently ADEL did not post a "SPOILER". At least what my definition of a spoiler is.
If someone is reading this thread without watching the show, you have no need to warn them that your going to talk about the show. Just doesn't make sense to me.
I thought you posted something confirmed about the finale or what we will see in the third season.
Walt is succumbing to his own greed and selfishness. He thinks he's acting for his family but he now lies to them without even blinking (buying diapers...). He is lost.
Did anyone else think it ironic that Walt has such disgust for heroin users? I mean, there was his self-righteous "...I'm not going to contribute to his (Jesse's) overdose" when there is no telling how many ODs of meth he has been directly responsible for.
Also, how many drinks did Jane's dad have in front of him at the bar? Is he yet another hypocrite - addicted to his drug of choice, but losing his mind over his daughter's?
I don't think Walt is greedy; after all, he DID take Jesse his due share. And neither Walt nor Jesse is malicious enough to purposefully kill anyone. Pretty sure it won't be Hank in the body bag - hoping not, I like Hank's humor.
To Killa Cam - "Phoenix" = Walt....good observation. To BB, the only professions that still use words such as retard and awesome are comic book dealers and overzealous law enforcement. So which slimeball catagory do you fit in? And as far as amusing myself ? Your doing all the work for me LOL.
rotfl...come on kid. Stop it already. You jumped into something that has nothing to do with you. Your statements are unsupported just as your income is. Stop while your ahead. You've given me a great laugh and if you continue to do so I make befriend you.
Ok guys.... seriously though. Stop this stupid e-arguing....
Maybe Ted can be in a body bag??? Curveball right there.
I donated 20 bucks to cancer... why not? I see no better cause. I may one day get cancer and I hope there are generous people out there when and if that happens.
Season 2 Finale:
"ABQ"
Skyler and Walt collide in the season finale as her frustration with his secrecy finally comes to a head. Jesse self-destructs after a personal blow, forcing Walt to come to his aid. Jane's dad Donald's grief leads to tragedy.
So, what does Jane's dad do? Get himself killed, kill someone, what could this tragedy be? It somehow involves him...and who else?
I'm a recovered meth addict (8 yrs/4 mos). And yes, it can be done.
Often when watching, I wondered if the writers had to walk a line between possibly "triggering" an addict and portraying the real world of cooking, dealing, addiction and death.
They have done a great job, because in my experience, the obsession was never triggered, though razor close at times; and, then a punch in the face like tonight when Jane…left.
Yeah, I cried (SO) cause I've been there, in close, and it's surprising how the pain comes back so hard.
But it's good to remember and feel; then remember and be grateful that I got out (with LOT'S OF HELP).
To BB - And your right, I dont get paid enough. Pretty good ball busting thing we had going though.I would have died if you had wrote you were a chemist lol.
I'm a recovered meth addict (8 yrs/4 mos). And yes, it can be done.
Often when watching, I wondered if the writers had to walk a line between possibly "triggering" an addict and portraying the real world of cooking, dealing, addiction and death.
They have done a great job, because in my experience, the obsession was never triggered, though razor close at times; and, then a punch in the face like tonight when Jane…left.
Yeah, I cried (SO) cause I've been there, in close, and it's surprising how the pain comes back so hard.
But it's good to remember and feel; then remember and be grateful that I got out (with LOT'S OF HELP).
I am glad Jane is out of the picture because with her full knowledge of the situation and being a junkie, she would have sunk Walter sooner than later. But I did like their plan to flee to New Zealand which would have take them off of Walter's back except one big obstacle and that was the transfer of actual money.
However, Jesse now have a bigger problem on his hand and that is the dead body at the scene of the crime. I am not worried about all the drugs laying around in the apartment because if the police shows up, they immediately rule Jane's death as drug overdose related and wouldn't bother go through forensic examination of whose finger print is on the needle or what not. Walter has already taken out the entire Meth. bags out of the house and even if a residue is discovered, he could still claim that he is a drug addict and had bought the product from some dealer.
Jane's father could also go haywire but I don't think he would press charges against someone who was a complicit drug user along his daughter and even if he does, Jesse would be charged with possession of illegal narcotic but nothing too serious unless he is dumb enough to call the cops and have the money bag lay around. What Walter needs to do is to convince Jesse to take a wrap for this incident, keep his money safe until he cleans up and comes out of the jail sentence that the judge will probably going to hand down to him. Meanwhile, Walter should concentrate on his cancer charity/money laundering operation, get his tumor removed and chill out for several months.
Whatever Walter does, he must make sure the cops do not catch Jesse with that amount of money or they'll connect the dots and he'll be in whole lot of trouble.
I used to watch a lot of the classic films from the seventies. Especially the cop films like the Dirty Harry films. I loved the parts when the bad guys would show up wearing their suit jackets, ties, slacks, and Sunday best shoes as if they had all called each other up at the ‘day job’ and agreed to go out to lunch. Except, instead of lunch, they’d all meet on the docks and walk around with automatic weapons and shoot up the place. Usually a group of other businessmen, but mostly cops.
Then they would shake hands (well, the survivors) and head back to work and then after that, home to the family.
And once the film was over, the audience would head for their cars and move on with their life, having gotten lost in a fictional world for a few hours.
But not me. No, I would wonder what was so bad about the day job that these thugs had to take on this side job of killing people? Like, what, did the Mob offer a gas card or some other perk they couldn’t get from the day job?
What was worth risking getting killed over?
What was worth remembering all the lies you’d have to come up with to cover your ‘other life’ to friends and family? And I would continue with my train of thought…..
Did these guys even care if they got caught? Let alone killed?
What was it that motivated them to have crossed over that grey line between good and bad?
Right and wrong?
You see. I have always wondered what it was that made someone become a “bad guy”
Personal problems? Pride? Revenge? Greed? Love?
Yeah, sure we have a few classics like The Godfather and the Sopranos. But they have seen their day and settled into history. THIS generation needs their own series and “Breaking Bad”…..IS that series.
It’s an excellent reflection on our society, such as it is today. It’s also a great exploration of what makes a good man turn to a life of crime and what he has to go through to make that happen. And currently it has been exploring what he has to do to keep up with that new lifestyle. At any cost.
Breaking Bad also has the advantage over film (which can only run two, maybe three hours max) where it can peel away all the multiple layers of problems that Walt has had during this journey, as well as explore the effect this “business” has on his family and friends
I am a little worried about a couple of folks here wondering out loud why they should keep watching since Walt is obviously changing into a man that has no sympathetic qualities to him. Why bother to keep tuning in if the main character continues to slip into the void with (seemingly) no hope of redemption or remorse?
And we shouldn’t hold it against them. This is a free country and if you don’t feel a series is giving you what you expect each week than you should be able to feel you can walk away.
Now, listen, television is a business like any other. If the viewership drops, well, AMC will have to decide if it’s worth continuing filming the show since, if not enough people are watching, then the sponsors will stop showing their product because it wouldn’t be worth spending the money week after week.
But I for one, hope that the show continues to gain new viewers, so that the viewership stats will remain stable enough during the run of the show so that it gives us a logical satisfying conclusion. I applaud AMC for their boldness in defying the odds and allowing this on the air.
It’s a nearly sure thing that even if Breaking Bad would have gotten ON the network shows, it would have been cancelled by now. We’re lucky that AMC sees some kind of long term merit in giving us such a quality production.
I'm a recovered meth addict (8 yrs/4 mos). And yes, it can be done.
Often when watching, I wondered if the writers had to walk a line between possibly "triggering" an addict and portraying the real world of cooking, dealing, addiction and death.
They have done a great job, because in my experience, the obsession was never triggered, though razor close at times; and, then a punch in the face like tonight when Jane…left.
Yeah, I cried (SO) cause I've been there, in close, and it's surprising how the pain comes back so hard.
But it's good to remember and feel; then remember and be grateful that I got out (with LOT'S OF HELP).
Hopefully your in a state which has a budget surplus, otherwise you maybe included in the state's budget cuts.
Also every post you make includes "lmao" or "lol." So commenting on me using the word retarded or awesome is somewhat contradictory since kids normally over use the two.(lmao & lol)
We have both had a good laugh at each other. Now I'd like to keep this discussion on the show.
If you would like to keep bickering about nothing I will continue to assume your a kid behind that computer screen.
tuttle300, nice post. The part about the Sopranos hit home a little. I certainly enjoyed watching Tony's character even though he was clearly a "bad person". The difference I think is that they never pretended he was not a bad person. The Walt character is really very different. I think the writers have made a mistake with him.
matt112485: your right, usually nobody is even close to right. That is what makes this show so amazing though. I never watched Sopranos but I have a hard time believing it was anywhere close to as good as this show.
The writing is slipping in my opinion. The acting is very good. This show is about Walt and Jesse, period! How does it make sense to turn them into characters that are unlikeable? Certainly this is a debatable stance. I suggest that Walt's action of letting Jane die (selfish, cowardly) and Jesse becoming a completely withdrawn heroin addict will contribute to viewers apathy toward the characters
Couple of things - What DOES Jane's Dad do? Not a cop, maybe border control - there would be lots of new hiries in that area after 911 probably with little experience (as he complained to Jane)
He didn't call the police or take Jane into rehab that very moment, that very day. I was screaming at my tv saying NO don't say ok to Janes's asking for one more day. Come on, to cancel the newspaper and water the plants?? He let her down and she would have been alive now if he had thrown her in jail/rehab. I have a similar relationship with my daughter - and I know when you do an intervention (which that kinda was - you don't let them say tomorrow. Never trust a drug addict. So Jane's death was sad for me too....but she was let down by her father.
Loved the breathless scene where Jane and Jesse discuss where they're going with the money (New Zealand - Lord of the Rings - lol). It was right out of Boogie Nights with Julien Moore and Rollergirl snorting coke and breathlessly making pie in the sky plans - will you be my mommy?
I was neither a Jane Hater nor a Jane Lover, but I was very saddened to watch her die. I was hoping that Walt would help her, and he was clearly shaken about his decision to allow her to die. Very moving scene for me, and BC did a remarkable job in that scene. His first instinct was to help her, but he was surely thinking that she was a threat to his family.
Sual: "Hey, I just found a big bag of money down by the railroad tracks."
sloe, Cranston was great in that scene! The problem is the scene itself. Who looks at a dying young girl with a perfect opportunity to save her and struggles with it? No, Walt's situation is of his own making, the act of judging her and allowing her to die when it would be so easy to save her is despicable. Despicable is fine if that is what he is. But that is not how he has been portrayed in the show up to this point. It's a mistake that could cost viewers if they decide he is not someone worth caring about.
I am a bit concerned for those of you making moral judgements on TV Characters. whats up with you?
I am glad Jane is dead! she was a character: WE WERE SUPPOSE TO WANT TO BE DEAD By half way through this episode!
SHE IS the one that brought in H and needles to Jesse! That can only lead one way....
It is a fictional TV Show with Outstanding Writing and character development,.... "YO!"
step back and remember: suspension of disbelief...
I am wrapped up in this show, i stayed up all night to catch up on season 1 dvd set! So I understand an emotional investment in this series. But remember it is what it is...
You said, "Jesse was was a sympathetic character until he dragged his girlfriend down junkie lane.".
I can only assume that you missed an episode because if you had actually seen everything along the way you couldn't possible believe what you typed.
Jesse warned Jane that he was gonna smoke some crystal and told her to leave at least three times before he left the room. She's the idiot who stopped as she was about to leave and chose to turn around go into his bedroom, knowing what he was about to do.
Further, Jesse was only smoking the meth occasionally until that junkie skank shoved a needle in his arm. She followed that up with guiding him step-by-step through the process on tonight's episode.
She was a junkie long before she met Jesse, and the only dragging was done by her.
Add to that the way Jesse's cut instantly became hers as far as she was concerned and I say she totally deserved to die.
Do you think that the Character has to fit in a Real World Value Judgement in all this tonight- to be a fantastic show? or by what some of you think viewers will turn away from the show?
I am having a hard time understanding how this morality can enter in on this type of show. It is based on a DRUG that society- soccor moms and cops all have a hard-on for. while I have never used the drug, it seems pretty serious, and gives this show the RISK level that makes it worth talking about on this site with you all.
BUT I wonder again, where is the judgement of Walt, letting the 'blackmailing, Heroin shooting' chick die to solve a problem that has risen up to threaten his objectives; MAKE CASH for his family- based on he may very well die..?
In a place you only dream of
Where your soul is always free
Silver stages, golden curtains
Filled my head, plain as can be
As a rainbow grew round the sun
All the stars I've love who died
Came from somewhere beyond the scene you see
These lovely people played just for me
Now if I let you see this place
Where stories all ring true
Will you let me past your face
To see what's really you
It's not for me I ask these questions
As though I were a king
For you have to love, believe and feel
Before the burst of tamborines take you there
(chorus)
Green grass and high tides forever
Castles of stone souls and glory
Lost faces say we adore you
As kings and queens bow and play for you
Those who don't believe me
Find your souls and set them free
Those who do, believe and love
As time will be your key
Time and time again I've thanked them
For a piece of mind
They helped me find myself
Amongst the music and the rhyme
That enchants you there
Wow...once again elated and depressed. Elated because the episode was awesome. Depressed because Walt just sold a little more of soul (the end justifies the means), Jane's Dad will forever hate himself because of not taking immediate action and giving manipulative Jane until "tomorrow", and Jane (the self absorbed bitch artist) who is still a person who chokes tragically on her own vomit,
Headless Gal, yes we did notice the pink teddy bear at Walt's dope deal location - we think. Replayed it and there definitley was a pink furry blop there. Maybe the bear maybe not.
BB rocks "I pay my rent bitch. I have civil rights yo!"
Of course we will make judgements about the characters, if not, why watch at all? The point is do we care about the main characters in the show. They don't need to be perfect, that would be boring. But if we are not rooting for them or against them then there is a problem. I don't think the writers want viewers to dislike Walt. For many, the short amount of time they spent making Jane into a Villain justifies Walts actions. I disagree. I think Walts actions are cowardly and selfish and it makes me care less about his character. That's fine for a character that is not the main character or for a character we want to be the villain but I don't think it works for Walt. It was certainly a powerful scene, I just think it sets the wrong tone for the Walt character. The struggle Walt had was well acted but not believable behavior from the character they have developed up to this point. Jane is not portrayed as so terrible a person as to deserve that kind of treatment.
Just think what would or could have happend if Walt saved Jane... probably worse than what is happening now or what will happen... even though it doesn't look good at all.
I've been lurking on this site for a few weeks now, so I think it's time to add my 0.02.
It was really sad seeing Jane die, but really there was no other way for this to end. She was weaseling into Jessie's money, saying my, I, not us or we.
Walt really does care about Jessie. If he gave the money to Jessie in that state, he would OD in about a day. Just like in Casino, when Ginger got the money, she hooked up with lowlifes, blew the money and OD'd.
How ironic that Walt ran into Janes dad in the bar. One man's daughter is born, another man's daughter dies.
It's pretty clear by the previews that Sauls guys cleans up the "Jane" situation. No cops, it all gets swept away.
Now with the Save Walter White website, I'm afraid thats going to draw some unnecessary heat.
OK - barlow; But Why "..care less for Walt.." after tonights action? can he not evolve as a character good or bad, in the context of this show's events? I do not care less for him or his character, I saw the eyes of Heisenberg as Walt realized the value in Jane's passing. Save himself along with Jesse.
I can't believe we would be so serious about Tony Soparano if this was him saving his ass letting her die.?
Walt is evolving, and he may be becoming Bad.
If the folks who watch "dancing with stars" were to see this show they would be freekin out about the subject matter, we that watch this show i would suppose can get past some of the illicit content and the subtext of serious drug use by Jesse - who is a main character. Him getting seriously dragged down in to IV use is a detour in his character and effects Walt's character: Changing the dynamic. Now for me-Skyler hacks me off; she is nosy and irritating to me for some reason. As a female you would think I would be able to identify with her and the suspect behavoir she is enduring with Walt.
But I find myself to be the opposite, i am rooting for Walt/Heisenberg at this point.
For me its not about the story line going forward. They can spin that in plenty of satisfying ways I suppose. What they can't do now is make me see Walt as someone I care about. I think they have done a great job until tonight at working in his short comings and adding some texture to his character. This, I think, went overboard. It turns Walt into an uncaring person. The emotion while well acted is not believable under the circumstances of the scene. No way a human with even the smallest amount of compassion would behave that way. The scene is out of character and over the top.
It's just sad that Walt didn't do anything. he wouldn't had to do much more than turn her on her side.
As Gracie says a bit of irony there.
I wonder if Jane's Dad had said something when Walt asked for advice.. Like keep them away from junkies... Would Walt had pieced it together?
Would he had had a different outlook of Jane?
Like maybe that's someone's daughter.
Hey everyone...one more thing I'd like to add about savewalterwhite.com the donation on the site actually goes to cancer charity...that is so awesome. I wonder how many people who don't watch breaking bad will end up on that site through google or something...and think the whole thing is real.
synaptic, good points. I suppose if Walt were to continue to break truly bad and turn into more of a Tony Soprano character then it could work for me that way. It's just that the scene so powerfully puts him in the antagonist roll for me that I will have trouble seeing him sympathetically in the future.
I'd also like to add that I think it's hillarious how the public official that does shady dealings with walt does all his deeds right behind a giant wall with the constitution on it. obviously he doesn't care much about that, though. that public official is probably the biggest scum bag on the show. Think about it, without him, walt woulda never met Gus and made the 1.2 mil.
The only reason I love this show so much is because it is realistic without being "realistic". I mean think about it. Even if you or anyone you know are not involved with drugs it has to hit like nothing else.
People these days are becomeing smarter and more understanding of what the World is and does. There are differences on every level amongst everyone. Of course there is a good and bad side to everything but everyone has been a part of both more than once in there lives. It is becoming obvious what good and bad is and it is that understanding that provides us with the ability to view any event or occurance for what it really is.
This show presents itself in the most true way possible and it is that disregard for self censorship that provides for the most satisfying and enjoyable show this decade and maybe of all time.
Goodnight everyone and have a great week leading up to the finale of the second season of Breaking Bad.
I don't think Walt is "Uncaring" even if the "Heisenberg eyes" showed up (at least I thought i saw that part of him)
I saw the movie: "The General Daughter" in that John Travolta's character explains the reasons why someone murders.
In the case of Walt; it is a simple as he let her die to save his ass.
But I would not say he murdered her.
I might expect the same outcome to myself if i shot up Heroin. a risk you take in that behavior -perhaps?
I am really curious why so many folks cried when she died?
I was like YES!!!
But she was a threat, and wildly out of control and screwing up Jesses life.
But it is NOT REAL LIFE in this show..
Mr. White does like Jesse !! I was afraid he was starting to not give a shit about him at all. I was feeling like he had just used him to get where he wanted to be financially.
When walt was showing his lil girl the money I thought that was pretty sick of him. Not really something to be proud of.
Was it me or did Skylar seem not too stressed about money when they were talking about making the pool child proof. I think she's gonna break bad with her boss and help him cook the books so she can make some money too.
Dam Jane turned out to be a real freak! Drama ! I thought they both were gonna OD. I can't belive they had Jane go out like that.
So does Jane get put on Walt's list of people he has killed or what?
Doesn't anyone think that to let Jane die was out of character for Walt?! Drugs don't make people do bad things, it's like hypnosis ( you can't transcend/ or overide one's basic character)! One still connects to the realization of right and wrong, and Walt being the sober one should not be able to jump to the rationalization of not "assisting Jane" merely because of her threat! I think the writers made a possibly fatal data entry in to the show, Walt will have compromised TOO much of his character for anyone (other than current/previous drug users) to care about. I'm tempted to stop watching the show-they fucked it up for me....
Just wanted to make a comment about the fingerprints on the syringe. Someone mentioned that Walt's fingerprints would not be in the database. Well I am currently in Teacher's college in Buffalo. IN order to be certified as a teacher in New York state, I have to submit my fingerprints to the FBI... yes the FBI to make sure I have no crimnal history as your around young students all day you need clearance. I am not sure if this is the case in all states, but that could explain Walt's fingerprints being in the database. Furthermore I think Jane's Dad will be in the body bag, either he links walt to the scene and goes after him, or I think Jesse may move in with Walt while he is in surgery to help around the house in his absence. Long shot, but then Jane's dad would go after him at Walt's house, maybe explaining both their bodies in the bags.
Walt could do nothing to save the girl. When he knew she was gone, he cried. I believe thats the first tear he's shed in the entire series so far. So don't hate on him to much. Hate the heroin she was injecting.
Earlier today I saw a real video that I will never forget. A video of 8 year olds in russia being given heroin on camera, by the drug dealer. He actually does commentary as the kids smoke and shoot heroin.
The shocking part is, one of the kids in the videos overdoses on camera. I quickly closed the video as the kid started holding his heart and convulsing.
It made me lose faith in humanity...looked at the world in a very cynical way after watching it.
Oh shit! What if Ted is really the father of Holly or something? How long ago was it when Skylar left the company the first time? Damn, I could maybe see that in Season 3 or something. Maybe?
I apologize if I'm posting too much but I just like to post as soon as I think of some kind of storyline in this show... it consumes my soul.
Also Walt gave that speech about the jesse being like a Nephew. If Jane's dad puts two and two together figure it out its Jesse. What better way to get back at Walt then take the life of his 'nephew' he cared for. I can then see Jane's dad taking his own life as he has lost his daughter and maybe in another state of mind (drunk, high) takes his life as well.
This show is THE BEST written drama on tv right now. It is raw and real and they don't cut any corners in potraying things as they really are, which I appreciate. Tv usually gives us a sugercoated view of the world to keep the masses placated and does not make them deal with the realities of life. Drug dealing, abuse and addication or no less real than shopping at Walmart and watching NASCAR, it's just that no one wants to aknowledge it.
synaptic45caliber, you are correct. Walt is evolving and becoming "bad." He was on Adam Carolla's podcast talking about how he becomes more and more "bad" over time. However, in this episode he was either going to kill Jane or she was going to kill herself. He had no choice because she was a liability. He cares about Jesse, he could give a shit about Jane. You have to understand the situation he was in: he can't allow himself to be discovered. If she has to die, then so be it. In his grand scheme she has no value; she's a liability. Evil? Sure, but welcome to reality.
As an attorney, I'm not really allowed to say that Saul Goodman is my hero if I want to keep my license, but you gotta love the guy. You deal with enough cops and prosecutors and over time you understand why the guy is the way he is. I hope they keep him on as a character. He is very entertaining and I have loved his work since Mr. Show. He is a talented guy and plays the role of douchebag attorney perfectly. His character is why people hate us, but I'm cool with that. I know plenty of guys like his character and it makes my job more interesting to have to deal with those characters. Hell, some day I want to be one of those guys ;^)
(killa cam) made some good points,
and Thanks barlow;
I have the feeling that Walt will have a hard time living with himself on these things, and comes back around to your point of being sympathetic to the character.
I don't know that Walt can become "Heisenberg" totally because then -- would? more folks feel the same as you and others on here tonight?
I am not saying be bad in real life; i shelter myself from the real world now, so don't get me wrong about being PRO Heisenberg.... in Walt.
I just find this series to be of great fastination and the writing (and acting) blows me away. I would not have signed onto this board tonight if i had not been questioning and yet wanting answers from YOU my fellow viewers.
AND THANKS for writing back with me.
I do not get to ask or talk critical theory about stuff too often and this SHOW is a great place to be able to explore ideas. The last Movie i wanted to talk to someone about (Fight Club) i have never got to talk with my friend the psychologist with. that is serious stuff- i thought it could be great fun to talk about.
So thanks for talking with me here.
Jane, and possibly Jesse would have both OD'd. A half a million dollars, plenty of leisure time, and no will power (they had a chance to discard the heroin on the night stand) are a recipe for disaster.
ernmoran-
good thoughts- I like your ideas on that stuff; in this time of economic and social deconstruction, Tv is to calm and hypotize the masses...my parents are a good examaple of that (thus the' Dancing with the Stars' reference)
Saul is funny character, I like him, in that he solves problems. I wish i could solve some problems of my own, legally but i don't live inside a Tv show....dang.
I kind of thought that Jane was going to get Jesse all loaded and then disappear with the cash.
Walt could of taken steps to prevent Jane from dieing .. One sat her up when she started puking.
Then got her moving and he could of called 911 and split.
The heroin hadn't killed her at that point.She drowned in her own puke. He could of saved her. But he choose not to.
bigfreakinnaz love the color of your car! Beautiful.
Another rollercoaster of emotion start to finish....whew!
First, if nothing else, it was firmly established that Walt does love Jesse and looks out for him regarding the money, and checking up on him afterward. Walt was right, if Jesse had gotten the money (and being with Jane), he'd have been dead in a week. As it turned out, it was Jane......in a day.
It was classic irony, having Walt go from talking to another father about raising a daughter to Walt being present to witness someone else's daughter die a horrible death. I was really crying over that scene. And for that particular conversation ("Just love them; they are who they are. Family - you can't give up on them - ever") to spur Walt to go back and see about his "other son", Jesse, made that whole conversation even more poignant and tragic.
When Walt shook Jesse in the bed, he did cause Jane to roll onto her back. So.....whether that can be construed as intentional in addition to his inaction during her choking is a tough call. I think the scene was purposely written ambivalently. You can either see it as Walt purposely letting Jane die or that he didn't really know what course to take, and was ambivalent.
I got the feeling that Jesse was already having some doubts about the goodness of Jane by a few of the comments he made and the expressions on his face; like when the father showed up, and the whole business about a loser (takes one to know one), and Jesse's expression when Walt comes with the money and Jane starts threatening Walt and her behavior afterward, like my money, what I want, etc - pretty selfish. I think Jesse was already clueing in to her underlying personality - selfish. I think no matter what happened in Jane's life, she was doomed, especially by what her father was saying about her past.
As for the next episode, ABQ, the preview show that Saul has sent over a "cleaner", obviously, to handle the situation. I think Jane's body will end up somewhere near the airport, maybe with some cash around her body. Jesse will be homeless and hiding from Donald Margolis, at the very least, before the season ends. Luckily his rental appy has pseudonym, Jesse Jackson, on it. Don't think we're going to find out anything about the body bags - the podcasts have almost guaranteed it by the way they talk.
When Walt, Skyler, Hank, Marie, and Flynn were having dinner around the pool after bringing the bay home from the hospital, did Hank and Marie bring chicken from Gus’ restaurant?
This episode showed how much Walt really cares for Jessie; not giving Jessie his share until he's clean or he'll be dead in a week; Walt hearing Skylar singing "Daddy's gonna love you until he dies", and then talking with Janes dad in the bar about "family is everything". Walt went back to Jessie's to try to help Jessie, he feels like Jessie is his family, just like he wife and kid(s) he's trying to help in the first place. You could see how hard it was for Walt to let a young women die, but she was surely going to end up killing Jessie and Walt couldn't let that happen. He cried for a moment, and then got that cold killer look in his face, back to business.
Feel so bad for Jessie, because he acts like he has just about given up on himself. After everything else that's happened, then dropping the ball on the big drug deal, and then letting Jane blackmail Walt, Jessie couldn't even look at Walt in the face when he took the bag money.
I think after Jessie finds Jane dead, he's going to hit absolute rock bottom, and some thing like this is usually needed for an addict to change behavior, and may lead to his "Phoenix". Good posts above about Jane's dad showing up early the next mornng to take Jane to rehab, going crazy after finding her dead, and then Jessie having to kill him, to save himself.
It was interesting how Walt was telling Saul about how hard it was to have earned all of this money, but not being able to tell his family about it, can't take any credit for it. But he can show his new daughter how great dad is by showng her all of the money that daddy has earned. If Walt could have accepted the charity from Gretchen and hubby in the first place, none of this mess would have happended, and no fun show to watch. Skylar even says to Walt something like "you make charity sound bad" and Saul even observes "no deep seated issues there" when Walt can't accept charity thru the website.
Can't wait until next week. I think it will be Jane and her dad in the body bags. Walt is helping Jessie get rid of the bodies, and somehow the car with the bodies is close to the explosion, and discovered by the cops (?) Not sure how they'll fit this in. Wonder if Walt throwing out the spare tire in the Aztec at the start of this show will be a factor later?
It was quite laughable and awkwardly ballsy for Ted Beneke to still be hanging out at the hospital, and particularly in Skyler's room. Marie, Hank and Walt Junior were at the hospital, so there was really no reason for Ted to be there. Brother, does Ted have it bad for Skyler or what? And their little tender conversation in front of Walt? It was like they were cooing to each other. I don't blame Walt for giving Ted the short shrift evil eye. Why he didn't say "Back off, buddy - this is my wife and my baby" is beyond me. He should have.
sloe Yes! The chicken was from Gus' restaurant. I laughed too. Walt looked uncomfortable, like there was going to be blue meth in the bucket of chicken. LOL
Hey everybody... Wow! Tonight was pretty nutty...
I just wanted to drop line real quick and say hi... I'm super tired! So... I'm gonna get some Z's.. But I'll try to get on sometime tomorrow...
By the way I loved the idea about coming to alb.... I would definitely hang with you guys! Let me know....
As for Jane asphyxiating on her vomit, doesn't that mean that Jane had already vomited in her mouth? There's a very good chance that with vomit in her mouth already, Jane could have asphyxiated with or without rolling on her back if she was unconscious for a lengthy period of time. Jane could've eventually inhaled her vomit while still sleeping on her side, and still suffocated, I think. That's a calculated risk she and Jesse take every time, using heroin. Even Jesse took the risk of pushing her on her back in his unconscious state, and vice versa.
All right. I didn't like Jane after she returned to the Dark Side and took Jesse with her. But I'm sorry about the way she died, and the creepiest part was that she seemed to be looking right at Walt when she gurgled her last breath.
What did please me was that Walt finally showed some real compassion for Jesse, which he has been so loath to do in most previous episodes. You all might remember a scene between him and Jane when he said that Walt was his partner and he wouldn't roll on him. I never thought Walt returned the loyalty, even though he couldn't have started his cottage industry without Jesse. And in that weird, coincidental conversation with Jane's father, Walt referred to him as his troubled "nephew." I hope he can same him. God, I hope they can save each other, although ultimately, it's probably impossible. Who knew we'd become so attached to these characters?
Oh, and PS--I'd bet a dollar (hey, I'm mostly broke right now) that we won't find out who is in those body bags until NEXT season. For those of you out there who are old enough to remember, this will be the 21st century version of "Who shot JR?"
Damn KIDs, but this show ROCKs!
199 posts when I logged in, can't read them all right now. I'm just so amped, and want to put my 2 cents worth in. Apologies if I run thoughts already posted by others.
Kinda Running Backwards: In the preview, did you see the look on Skyler's face when Walt was asked about bringing his cell phone and he said which one? Priceless! I think it was Walt I saw through the water of the pool past the teddy bear. Just adds more the the unBEARable curiosity factor.
Walt could have saved Jane and chose not to. He did shed a tear at her passing, but it was just as necessary a killing as Crazy8.
Jesse is just as much Walt's son as Walt Jr. He does love him. This is why he gets so frustrated at him when he does stupid silly things. He does go back to Jesse's apartment to [pick one] help, reason with, scold, take the money back so that he won't use it to buy H and OD. This is not what a business partner does! Jesse told Walt that he'd never see them again. A business partner, especially a drug business partner, would have been, say, overjoyed, at having the whole business to themselves in the future. As many have pointed out, does Walt as a drug businessman even need Jesse anymore, now that he has Saul's council and resources? And at 20% not 50%. Walt cares very much for Jesse, as family, as a son. He's not totally Heisenberg yet.
So, James26, do you have a eulogy for Jane? Do you feel any pang of sadness for her?
Jane was not all bad, not as evil as we postulated from the previews. But, once again there are consequences of making bad decisions: "backsliding" into using again after 18 months. Blackmailing someone. Especially in the drug world. Unless you are totally stupid, you don't do that to a dealer, and live to tell about it. Did she deserve to die? No. Was her death inevitable? Certainly. If not Walt, then Saul, or Gus.
Slygirl08: I truly hope that the method of Jane's passing is not too hard on you, in relation to what you have posted about your husband. Funny, that as just amped out as I was at the ending, I thought about you right away, in your husband's passing and hope that Walt did not just leave Jesse in bed with her. I guess we have become a bit of a family on this board :-)
Walt thinks on his feet. He started to save Jane and thought better of it. He may have even let her die out of love for, and wanting to help Jesse, than strictly as a business decision. I'm going to assume that he cleans up the scene, at least a bit, such as taking the cash, (they're gonna need it to pay for Saul's intervention). Maybe even pulling Jesse out and dropping him off in front of an Emergency Room to make sure Jesse doesn't croak also.
Jane's dad is going to be a major problem for Jesse, and when He bumps into Walt again in pursuit of Jesse, it will somehow be a doozie of a twist in the plot.
I really thought that Jesse was going to wack Jane's dad in the head with that bat when he was calling the cops. Expected him to Break Bad and finally kill someone in a drug induced hangover and in protection of his woman. But Jesse is still basically a good person. Or maybe just a total wuss, from Walt's sarcastic quote in a later scene "way to wear the pants". Good bit of tense drama in how that was played out.
Just for a moment in the classroom, Jesse did feel bad that he caused Walt to miss the birth, just that slight pause and then on to the money question. And back to Walt caring for Jesse, he told him the truth about how much cash, not holding out on him of the details. and not that he wouldn't give it to him, just that he's playing dad in not wanting Jesse to kill himself with the money.
Ted being there for the birth of the baby, and then having the moxie to give Skyler a kiss on the way out of the room. Plan on Walt putting him in a body bag. In the Teddy Bear scene, or later, Walt Heisenberg will not let that stand uncorrected.
Hank going to Los Pollos Hermanos is cute. Teasing us more as to all this is going on right under Hank's nose and he doesn't see it. Other than in the preview he says he thinks Heisenberg is still out there.
And them mentioning that Walt Jr. even has PayPal on the webpage. Oh Lord, what a mistake that is. Saul will launder the bucks into PayPal and PayPal will freeze the acount for having too much money and activity on it and Walt won't see the money again for weeks months or years. PayPal DOES do that to people for no reason at all. Trust me on this.
Got to go, wrote too much for one post, and I'm due for my 1am feeding of the 3rd airing.
PPS--does anyone use the terms fits and points anymore? Those were the longest points I've ever seen any regular junkie get their hands on. (I wasn't a user but 40 years ago, I knew a few.)
PPS--does anyone use the terms fits and points anymore? Those were the longest points I've ever seen any regular junkie get their hands on. (I wasn't a user but 40 years ago, I knew a few.)
That was so messed up at the end! Walt you evil bastard! Poor Q! I almost don't want to see his reaction to his daughter's death, and Jesse, damn give the guy a break one day. This show is the greatest thing ever on tv.
"Oh shit! What if Ted is really the father of Holly or something? How long ago was it when Skylar left the company the first time? Damn, I could maybe see that in Season 3 or something."
By Blue Runner on May 25, 2009 1:38 AM
Mr. White does like Jesse !! I was afraid he was starting to not give a shit about him at all. I was feeling like he had just used him to get where he wanted to be financially.
When walt was showing his lil girl the money I thought that was pretty sick of him.
Ted Beneke - Skyler's pregnancy I think when she was telling Marie about her applying to Beneke, it had been 4 years since she worked there. I think it's Walt's baby.
Ask Vince Gilligan on the blog this week. Any questions until Thur, May 28, 12 Noon ET.
trublu8 You're sure right about Walt being proud of what he's achieved financially. Even Saul gave Walt a kinda look that read "you haven't done anything to be proud of Walt that you'd want to broadcast - it's criminal and crooked". You could see Saul thought Walt was a little screwy, like he's missing a moral screw about right and wrong (even though he's immoral himself).
Real Combo Boy, if somewhere organizes something like a roundup in Albuquerque this summer, I'd sure to try to make it. It'd be a hoot....and isn't there a horse race track nearby?
I did not watch the previews, but here is my prediction for next episode:
First off the ending was an obvious fake-out. He will not let Jane die. Walt gets Jane breathing and struggles to get her in the car. He calls Mr. Hermanos Pollo and tells him that he has a problem, they need to meet at the restaurant.
Walt races through town and when they get to the restaurant Pollo guy brings them in the side door into the manager's office. They lay Jane on the floor and Walt tells a pissed-off Pollo dude that they need the adrenaline shot.
Pollo retrieves a box from a walk-in cooler. The box contains a huge syringe. This syringe is gigantic, even bigger than the monster horse needles that Jane and Jesse used for shooting dope!
Walt rips open Jane's shirt and we get a nice shot of her bra - in the uncensored DVD version we will be seeing her titties for sure! He draws an "X" on Jane's chest. He stabs the needle into the "X" and depresses the plunger.
Jane immediately snaps out of it, and her body jerks upright, screaming. The Hermanos Pollo man rushes out of the room and returns with a bucket of chicken and some sodas. A disheveled and shaken Jane turns down the offer of a drumstick "No thanks, that stuff is really bad for you!"
. By The Real Combo on May 25, 2009 2:57 AM
... I would definitely hang with you guys!
I like the Real Combo!!! Seems like a real cool guy.Hey Combo (you'll always be Combo to me) would you be my friend on my space if I added you?
By Alexis on May 25, 2009 3:40 AM
PPS--does anyone use the terms fits and points anymore? Those were the longest points I've ever seen......................
Yes they still call them that and I thought the same thing too. They looked like horse needles. Did you hear Jesse when Jane was instrucing him how to fix the dope? He's talking about Mr. White and Jane tells Jesse ," I don't understand why you need him anyways" , Jesse says , "My point exactly", as he flicks at the syringe.
For those who are put off by Walt's actions, not helping Jane. He wouldn't let himself help her because he loves Jesse,he's bonded with him,he looks at him like he's family in a way,he's his partner. We've all seen the change in Jesse since Jane entered the picture and we've all wanted her to go away.It was a nessary evil to protect someone he loved.
BTW any of you use a baby monitor before? Isn't it the best accidental evesdropper and cordless phone interferer ever ! ie: Walt and Jane's phone conversation.
jamm54: Thanx! I took that pic yesterday - she was all shined up!
I'm very curious as to what Jane's dad Donald does for a living. I'll bet he's a drug manufacturer/distributor too, and the guys that took care of Combo work for him! He mentioned something about "training somebody" - I wonder if it's the kid that pulled the trigger on Combo? Just some food for thought!
Didn't Skyler mention something about her mom coming to watch the baby while Walt is in the hospital and she was at work? Maybe one of the bodybags has her mom in it?
Somebody above mentioned how funny it was for Ted to be hanging around the hospital after he brought Skyler there when she went into labor. I thought that was a bit weird too, and so did Walt. He sure gave him the old stink-eye didn't he? And especially when she gave him a nice kiss goodbye. She wants it from Ted - no doubt in my mind. How many women do you know are in such a big hurry to get back to work after having a baby/ The family needing the money is a lame excuse.
Wow. Wow. Wow. Everybody's talking about Jane, but how about when Walter tells his newborn daughter, "Look what your daddy did for you." It started out being for her, but I think that a large part of the whole thing was actually for Walter himself, to get his own life back. The things that people do for their children...Walter was prepared to sacrifice himself for his family, and by letting Jane die, he did sacrifice some of his conscience.
And Walter has become essentially Jesse's father. The scene in the bar with Jane's father was essentially two fathers commisserating. Walter did what was "right" for Jesse by letting Jane die. Walter has Jesse's best interests in mind, even if he goes about it in the wrong way. On the same day that Walter became a father to his daughter, he also acted like a father to Jesse.
Wow, Over 220 posts already? Hot Dang!!!
Anyway Walt changed the moment he personally killed Emilio. His plot to kill Tuco sealed the deal. Walt will kill anyone who stands in his way or threaten's those he considers his family. That's why Jane didn't have a chance. She threatened him, ergo she was done. Walt lucked out and can convince himself that it was her fault overall and it would have happened sooner or later. She was doomed anyway. The one who broke my heart was Donald the dad. The scene in the bar was where I started to shed a tear. Who knew Q could make me cry. When he said she was old enough to know better really broke me. I'm a daddy's girl too. I don't think he's an addict, nor an abuser anymore. I think now that he was a very loving father who truly loved his daughter and was willing to do anything for her including going to all the meetings with her. That was so sad. I think the only reason he didn't kill Jesse was because he knew if he did, he wouldn't be able to still help her. I can only imagine what will happen with him now that she's dead. She looked pretty dead to me anyway. I knew that Walt felt truly fatherly toward Jesse. Lucky for Jesse! If he didn't, Walt would figur out a way to get rid of him. Also Jesse has never personally threatened Walt. They are TRUEBLU friends forever (like the way I worked you in on that Tru?). All you guys who are saying that you're dissapointed in the show now because Walt has become less sypathetic? Are you nuts? He's murdered and is responsible for keeping thousands of people hooked on Meth. He's not so empathetic to begin with people. Cancer or no cancer. He'll help to kill hundreds as opposed to accepting charity to cure his cancer? Get a grip guys. I felt sorry for Tony Soprano too, he had issues and family problems and still kept murdering away. He even felt bad about a few of them, but hey business and family comes first. RIght? Also as for the Ep. 12 photo's it says that the guy in the car with Walt is Giancarlo Esposito, its not, but I've seen that guy everywhere. Who is he?
Great writing, tying Jane's dad to Walt at the bar. And the website idea, that is great. I see the website is live and if you click on the donate now it takes you to a cancer page. That is in great taste and I respect that completely.
Back on Jane's dad. Now that is a coincidence that is believable. They were both in the neighborhood and stopped for a drink. They talked. (So much for Jane's dad being a cop, drug lord, ex biker, or whatever. He is just a loving father acting as the support rock his daughter can lean on. No molestation there at all). So anyway they talked, and the great writing continues. What a way for Walt to tell us in his own words that he really truly cares about Jesse. If it wasn't for the fact that he told Jesse to piss and that he would certainly give him every dime as soon as he got clean, he then told Jane's dad about his "nephew," and you could really sense that he cares about Jesse. Sure, he is bottled with emotion with that wonderful new baby, but it is all coming out that he really cares about Jesse. That is the good side of Walt. I like this.
So the great writing continues. Due to a conversation wtih Jane's dad, and the fact that Walt realized he couldn't give up on Jesse, he went back to just talk to his "nephew" Jesse. My wife and I thought Jesse's dad would show up too (which he still could at the start of next week's episode) but the writing was better. He tried to wake Jesse up and Jane did just what she warned Jesse against, she rolled over onto her back and then choked on her own vomit. Walt's immediate reaction was to save another human life but he stopped and you could just read it on his face. He knew if he saved Jane, nothing would change and that Jesse ultimately would end up dead. Sacrificing Jane will surely serve as a wake up call to Jesse about using meth and H. I'll bet he gets clean after this and he will NEVER know Walt was there. I think Walt made the right choice. He let one life go and saved one that is closer to his own heart.
Wait until he finds out that it was her LOVING (not molesting or bad) FATHER that he was talking to at the tavern. He'll feel awful.
We saw a lot of down to earth love for his family and life this episode with Walt. He even showed the baby the money and said "I did this for you." And he did. All the way back to S1E1, Walt is doing this horrible deed to secure his own family's future.
In other aspects of the show. I had a feeling Ted would be standing there. Of course he saved the day and took Skyler to the hospital. No surprise there.
As far as the money bag, I thought for sure they were going to take it the direction of Jane getting Jesse high and then taking off with the money. So what I talked about above with Walt standing by as Jane checked out was a twist on what I thought would happen. Great writing.
I cannot say enough, great writing. This is all coming together so well. We are going to be left with a cliffhanger next week for sure.
From the previews, I can certainly relate to being semi-sedated after a surgery and saying things out loud that I shouldn't or would be embarrassed by. For me, I have said things around the nurses, but Walt actually says "which one?" regarding the cell phones. This has been a nugget of worry in Skyler's mind since the missing incident and he has lied to her about it repeatedly. He says he doesn't have a second cell phone and he just gives himself away about it. Wow. If that doesn't break their trust and put her babyless body in bed with Ted, I don't know what will. I think much of next season is going to be a struggle for Walt to get his wife back. It will be a significant side story. He has done all this, and will continue on doing all this drug cooking and selling stuff and now his wife is on her way out the door. In the scheme of who he is as a person, the grander scheme, his marriage problems are insignificant. He is a big man. He could go "shopping malls" and make some huge money and build an empire. But at the root of it all is a man who loves his family and did all this to better their lives. Now his wife is going to end up leaving him for Ted. She has lost trust for him and that is just the justification she needs to take it to the next level with Ted.
One more thing. Saul warned Walt about telling Skyler about the money. I hope Walt doesn't feel he has to tell her next season in an attempt to save his marriage. It may already be too late. She is emotional attached to Ted, who has been there for her in so many ways over the last weeks or months. Did you see Walt's reaction when she was already talking about going back to work? Sheesh...
Anyway... I cannot wait for next week's show. I know I'll be riding on that cliffhanger like the rest of you when they end it for 9 months.
Very true tweeders1. Walt is a bad guy, just because we like and root for him doesn't mean he is a nice person. He let his anger at possibly being ripped off in the beginning of the series stop that couple from paying all his medical bills. Instead he decided it would be ok to make and peddle this poison and ruin the health/lives of countless people. In the end , it is going to end bad for Walt. And maybe his family will suffer as well more then just in mourning him.
I felt terrible for Jane. BTW I love the girl who played her , good actress and hot as all hell. She reminded me of the girl in True Blood ( the one who starts going out with the main characters brother and is nude alot , that girl has a kick ass body too ). This show rules.
Great episode!
that being said, i felt a bit disappointed by 2 things.
1st I thought it was a bit improbable that walt would stumble on jane's dad in the bar; and that they would have this conversation prompting walt to go and check on jesse...what are the odds for that?
but more importantly, why did the writers chose to make walt attend jane's death?I thought, watching the beginning of the scene, that walt would seize the opportunity to get rid of jane and inject her some more heroin so that she would OD, and for the same result we would have had a less unlikely event...but to make him just be there makes little sense...
now i agree with what someone said earlier in the post, that walt trying to wake up jesse made jane fall on her back and eventually choke on her vomit, but this is quite indirect and unfortunate, or unlucky or whatever...and you would have to read this website to get the idea behind the scene...
Great episode!
that being said, i felt a bit disappointed by 2 things.
1st I thought it was a bit improbable that walt would stumble on jane's dad in the bar; and that they would have this conversation prompting walt to go and check on jesse...what are the odds for that?
but more importantly, why did the writers chose to make walt attend jane's death?I thought, watching the beginning of the scene, that walt would seize the opportunity to get rid of jane and inject her some more heroin so that she would OD, and for the same result we would have had a less unlikely event...but to make him just be there makes little sense...
now i agree with what someone said earlier in the post, that walt trying to wake up jesse made jane fall on her back and eventually choke on her vomit, but this is quite indirect and unfortunate, or unlucky or whatever...and you would have to read this website to get the idea behind the scene...
Another astute observation: Jane, knowing well that once one sinks in a drug-induced trance, he or she might choke on his/her own vomit, therefore, by placing a blanket behind Jesse's back, she was aiming to prevent such incident so he wouldn't accidentally roll on his back. Moreover, she, as always, "spooned" him so both have a chance to pass the content of their stomach if that was to happen -- in a sense, this was a symbiotic relationship. Nonetheless, when Walter barged in to urge Jesse to clean up his act while shaking him, he inadvertently dismantled the "spooning" formation which could have saved Jane's life rather than choking on her own vomit.
Walt may have been thinking as he watched Jane choke on her vomit "Wow. I missed the birth of my daughter due to involvement in drugs, and here I am watching another man's daughter dying as a result of involvement in drugs."
I think the tears he was shedding were from him thinking that at one time this young woman was a mere infant girl who was certainly a gleam in her dad's eyes exactly like Holly is to him. He is also showing that he is taking partial blame on himself as well, feeling indirectly responsible somehow. On the other hand, he may have been weeping that the "good" side of him didn't win out over the "Heisenberg" side of him, and feared that if he saved her she would not appreciate it and still cause future problems for him with probably wanting more money, getting Jesse more hooked on the needle, etc.
Hey Anthonym, I just got the first dvd of Trueblood from netflix. I'm going to watch it today. Glad to hear that its pretty good. I felt sorry for Jane too. But she's been down the hole and come back on more than one occasion according to her dad. I think she rented to Jesse in the first place was because she knew exactly what he was. She admitted it. She wanted to get back into it. If she and Jesse would have stayed together they'ed be just another Spooge and Skank, just younger. What fun is there in watching that? I better watch out, that sounds like it could be made into a musical. Spooge and Skank, the musical. The timeless tale of a modern day, middle aged Romeo and Juliet junkie love story. I'm thinkin definite Rock opera material. Where the guy who wrote the Brady lyrics? Gotta a job for you babe! Maybe you and the Real Combo can hook up for this one! Krysten Ritter is hot and you can continue to see her on Gossip Girl if you're into tweener soaps. I think she's in a movie coming out too. Time to go make potato salad for the chicken I'm grillen today. To all you vets out there, Happy Memorial Day and thanks for all you've done for my country. I hope you all have a place to go today. Everyday for that matter.
Sincerely,
Tweeds
tweeders1 said "Hey Anthonym, I just got the first dvd of Trueblood from netflix. I'm going to watch it today. Glad to hear that its pretty good"
Trueblood is a good show. I ended up buying the season on Bluray when it came out last week. It is nowhere near as good as Breaking Bad, but it is a different kind of a show.
It kind of annoyed me actually that I was able to get a "lesser" show for my collection on Bluray while I had to settle for DVD for Breaking Bad. I posted about this last week but nobody seems to care.
Maybe y'all don't collect your shows. I have a huge collection of movies and shows and I'll buy the Bluray if it is a show I like enough. It is a shame that this show, the best show on television, isn't out on Bluray. But of six hundred plus posts, nobody else said a bit about it.
If you guys love this show so much, don't you want to own it on the best media available? I mean, if you people aren't buying your shows, specifically the ones you love so much you post here every week about, no wonder they don't put it out on Bluray.
This show was made for HD and it is a shame most of us don't get AMC HD. Breaking Bad is one of the few shows I watch in SD anymore. I have the HD channel of just about everything else I watch but neither of my providers carry AMC HD and I cannot even buy the show on Bluray. I guess I am the only one that cares enough about it.
If you guys are happy just watching commercialized reruns on AMC whenever you can if you want to see it again, fine. But for those of you that have seen the DVD of season one, you know there are things that were cut out of the broadcast edition of the show to appease advertisers. There are also a ton of extras. This would make an excellent Bluray disc, for the best possible quality. Just my opinion.
When Walt goes to the hospital and he sees Holly for the first time and Beneke is there, Walt says "I didn't see you there" like Beneke wasn't on his radar but he's someone to watch for.
The obvious kicker was Walt letting Jane die. I have to admit out of all the deaths on the show that was the coldest. To stand by and do nothing while someone chokes to death on their vomit, that's really tough. After I watched that scene, I was surprised with myself because when she started choking I was screaming at the t.v. for Walt to save her, but them a split second later I was biting my tongue but I knew that's what had to be done.
I know Walt was helping Jesse, but the main reason Jesse uses is to forget and it's going to take a lot of drugs for him to forget waking up to his asphyxiated girlfriend. However, there is a chance this scared him straight, but I highly doubt that.
One last point, Jane's dad said that Jane was 27 yrs. old. I must say she looked good for someone who had been using for 10 years. I don't know that much about drug use but after 10 years of drugs I'd expect worse. I guess it depends on how deep she was into drugs.
zuleya said "1st I thought it was a bit improbable that walt would stumble on jane's dad in the bar; and that they would have this conversation prompting walt to go and check on jesse...what are the odds for that?"
Oh my God are you serious? I think this is very probable. Here we have people predicting that Jane's dad is this huge mafia like drug henchmen or working with the DEA or police as a sting operation to bust Jesse. One poster went as far as to say that his relationship with Jane showed all the signs of molestation (where do people come up with this stuff?).
Stopping off at a bar at a place nearby Jesse and Jane's house was very probable, considering both are very deep in their sorrows over their own loved one. Don with Jane's drug problem and Walt with his "nephew's" problem. They both care about their person and sat to have a drink. The conversation started like any other conversation in a bar. Don overheard Walt on the phone and started chit-chatting. I cannot think of a better way for the writers to pull this off. I actually think it was excellent writing.
Think about other people's thoughts on Don. A drug lord? A child molester? A cop working to catch Jesse who randomly picked a rental out of a classified ads section? Come on people. This was genius writing. Kudos to the writers. Excellent stuff.
Kudos to the person who suggested Skylar may break bad as well. I think it is very likely. So far every other major character has broken bad. I wouldnt even be suprised if Little Holly stole from the cookie jar in the Season Finale!
Will Walt get suspicious when Skylar doesnt seem worried about money? Will he suspect that Ted is being a sugar daddy. This will enrage Walt because HE wants to be the provider... and the thought of having Ted of all people be his family's benefactor will eat at him. Yet, Skylar, because she is so holier than thou... cant tell her husband that she's helping to embezzle money! Cant wait for next episode and next season.
Walt getting all that attention on t.v. for his website is not going to be good. I'm going out on a limb, but all Tio did was watch t.v., so I'm guessing he'll see Walt on t.v. and start ringing that bell. The infamous Juarez boys will make their appearance.
SEASON 3
Skylar comes clean about her role in embezzling funds. In response, Walt tells Skylar what he's been up to and they start to work together. They fake their own deaths (hence the body bags), the insurance money goes to Hank to take care of Flynn and Holly. Jesse goes good and becomes a preacher or social worker or something.
This will take about 10 episodes of Skylar breaking bad, putting Ted under her control and having Berneke Fabricators be the new Los Pollos for the Heisenburg Distribution Chain.
I find it interesting that they keep showing Walt's dualities colliding with each other and many times in the season the Haeisenburg personality has the glasses off (unless I'm wrong)
Unlike say, Clark Kent, who HAS to take his glasses off to become his other identity, or even Bruce Wayne, who must put ON his mask to assume the Batman identity, Walt has been shown doing Heisenburg actions/planning with and without the glasses
Most especially telling was when Walt was in a short panic trying to figure out what to do as jane choked, and then standing there as Heisenburg watching her die (and ALLOWING her to die) and then as Walt, (still through it all-- the glasses remained on) crying because of what he had done to her.
Then there was the blackmail scene where the glasses were off and Heisenburg was talking to her on the phone in the backyard
These two personalities share the same body and it's interesting watching the actor juggle both personalities as each circumstance arises
Bring on season 3 so we can watch this volcano erupt!
hi skottey, don't get me wrong, i also believe this is insane writing! and i love this show as much as you do...maybe it has been so good so far that we tend to keep the bar very high..
but it just i felt there was some improbabity there...
to make walt and jane's dad meet and talk at his very moment...on this very evening, and that the concerned dad makes walt go and check on jesse, and that it indirectly leads to jane's death...c'mon man, this is just a notch improbable, although it is a great story arch.
No guesses on how it ends - this show has more twists than a pretzel.
The swimming pool was spooking me the entire episode, though.
The reflections off the water, even at night when Walt’s in the kitchen, you can see the reflection of the pool on the wall.
I was holding my breath, waiting for an explosion or fire or SOMETHING ! The shadows just rippled through the entire episode like some great harbinger of doom.
That aside, I liked John DeLancie as Jane’s father. One of the very few roles that I’ve liked Q in. And I didn’t like him as Q.
Also, Bob Odenkirk is just tremendous as Saul. Hell, everyone gives superlative performances on this show!
This show is just so good - it’ll be hard to keep up this quality through another season.
Great show it doesn't have me thinking like the last episode though.
Let's not forget that Walt owes Jesse his life. In the RV when there is no water and no electricity and Walt had given up it was Jesse who thought up the idea of making a battery. No matter how dumb you might think Jesse is, Walt won't/can't forget that Jesse promised to take care of his family if he didn't survive and in the end it was the junkie that had the idea that saved both thier lives. I'm wondering if Jesse's street smarts are going to prove useful dealing with Gus.
Didn't care too much for the bar scene - highly improbable if unnecessary as we pretty much know what Walt is all about with respect to Jesse. Or are the writers simply reinforcing Walt's feeling of family towards Jesse after the deal with Jane and H. But I never thought Walt was behaving adverse to Jesse maybe more like the dad he could never have. Now Walt is not only the teacher but he is a father figure to Jesse. Tighter & tighter even if Jesse isn't up for it - look out.
So we lose the self destructive relationship between Jane & Jesse. Is Walt and Jesse's relationship any less destructive?
On the other hand the only use Walt can have for Jesse is to make more meth and not using crank/heroin with a clear head. Otherwise we are left with the set up Gus laid out for Walt - "never trust a junkie".
What happens the next time Gus rings up and wants 38lbs. of meth in an hour? What are the boys going to do? They act like they have retired and for Gus it's only the beggining.
Can't see Walt and family sitting around the TV with Jesse, new wife and new kid watching Lawrence Welk reruns as the last episode
don't you think it was a great idea to have these flash-forwards with the teddy bear and the pool, and those glasses and body bags...up to the last episode a tension has been built...who wants to take revenge on walt? is it tuco's tio? is it the new guys seeking a street war? is it the atm-lady?
is it jane's dad? is it jesse who would get to know that walt came to visit the flat in the evening and may have some responsibiltiy in jane's death?
Is this is skyler investigations on walt'second phone? or maybe gus's cartel??
no really those flash-forwards have been a great writing idea!
the most ironic thing was jane said they would shoot up what they had left and get clean and have a great happy life in new zealand. i think the body bags will jesse brings jane and some how jesse dies at the white house. AND! next week we get to find that out since it's the season finale. and amc greelighted the 3d season
I am an old lady and a super fan of the show. I watched Season I from my son's recordings. I am happy to have found fellow fanatics. U all find things I missed and I have to go 'Oh, yeah!.. Watching the show I try to think outside of
the box..as the writers do.
When we saw the carryout Pollo containers Hank brought to the Whites poolside I think I read too much into it. I'm thinking that Hank knows Gus and that maybe Gus is an informant or helps the DEA in small ways as a cover for his larger drug enterprise. I see now it was just meant to be humorous. Poor Hank. How close he is but does not know. Jane's father will be a tragedy albeit within this tragic tale. I believe he is the only character that I have genuine feelings for. He is a loving soul. He will lash out at Jesse to kill him but in his extreme pain takes his own life. I see in the bar scene he has no wedding band so no wife, no other children, and Jane's death will send him over the edge. I want to cry just thinking about it. Jesse will be devastated. But the writers will surprise me and Jane's father will do something completely unexpected. He is tough -- no doubt about it.
Jane, we hardly knew ye. You went and pulled a Bon Scott on us. Too bad Walt was there for Jesse and Heisenburg was there for you.
Byran Cranston playing the split personality within seconds of each other has just been amazing. From loving, caring, father of his newborn and even Jesse for that matter to cold blooded killer the next letting Jane die. I know he feels that Jane dying is for Jesses better well being, but man that was ruthless.
I cannot believe how great this show is. Just when you think it cannot get any better it does.
Also amazed that it is only Monday and there are already almost 250 posts. This thing has caught on like wildfire.
This week is going to be an excruciatingly long wait.
By tweeders1 on May 25, 2009 8:50 AM
Wow, Over 220 posts already? Hot Dang!!!
Anyway Walt changed the moment he personally killed Emilio. His plot to kill Tuco sealed the deal. Walt will kill anyone who stands in his way or threaten's those he considers his family. That's why Jane didn't have a chance. She threatened him, ergo she was done. Walt lucked out and can convince himself that it was her fault overall and it would have happened sooner or later. She was doomed anyway. The one who broke my heart was Donald the dad. The scene in the bar was where I started to shed a tear. Who knew Q could make me cry. When he said she was old enough to know better really broke me. I'm a daddy's girl too. I don't think he's an addict, nor an abuser anymore. I think now that he was a very loving father who truly loved his daughter and was willing to do anything for her including going to all the meetings with her. That was so sad. I think the only reason he didn't kill Jesse was because he knew if he did, he wouldn't be able to still help her. I can only imagine what will happen with him now that she's dead. She looked pretty dead to me anyway. I knew that Walt felt truly fatherly toward Jesse. Lucky for Jesse! If he didn't, Walt would figure out a way to get rid of him. Also Jesse has never personally threatened Walt. They are TRUEBLU friends forever (like the way I worked you in on that Tru?). All you guys who are saying that you're dissapointed in the show now because Walt has become less sypathetic? Are you nuts? He's murdered and is responsible for keeping thousands of people hooked on Meth. He's not so empathetic to begin with people. Cancer or no cancer. He'll help to kill hundreds as opposed to accepting charity to cure his cancer? Get a grip guys. I felt sorry for Tony Soprano too, he had issues and family problems and still kept murdering away. He even felt bad about a few of them, but hey business and family comes first. RIght? Also as for the Ep. 12 photo's it says that the guy in the car with Walt is Giancarlo Esposito, its not, but I've seen that guy everywhere. Who is he?
Did a little research and his name is Jonathan Banks, he's been in over 100 television shows.
well, Don didn't make Walt do anything. Don said never to give up on those you love and it made Walt think he could do more with Jesse. It wasn't as if they ever realized they were talking about the same people. I think it was excellent the way they wrote it like this.
Why would Jesse kill Donald? Donald isn't at fault for Jane's death. If anything, it would be the other way around. Donald would blame Jesse for getting his little girl involved with drugs again. He blames Jesse, and tries to kill him and then kills himself. But Jesse isn't going to go after Donald unless he goes after him first. No reason to.
A close call for Jesse in so many ways. We didn't really know much about Jane's personality in the few scenes she had, but boy, got a pretty good preview of the kind of person she was in "Phoenix".
A liar, manipulator, user and blackmailer who was greedy and dictatorial. She could switch on the babydoll sweetness and then turn ice cold to get what she wanted from Donald, Walt or Jesse. If she had lived, how soon do you think that pattern would've emerged with Jesse? Under the influence of the drugs - pretty quick.
When Jane was rapidly switching gears in her behavior with whomever she was dealing with, watch the expressions on Jesse's face. Sometimes he looked surprised, ashamed, incredulous, and momentarily turned off. I think Jesse was getting a real education about her character that day, and in his less drugged out moments was getting some bad feelings about Jane. But then he'd get caught up in her enthusiastic babbling, and be Mr. Go-Alonger. He would'nt have fared well with her for very long.
Jesse is principled - he doesn't lie and he keeps his word above all else unless something drastic happens which prevents him.
Jane already had a decade of lying to people (her Dad and probably many others), and using them. So, had Jesse continued with her, he might have not lived very long, but he also would have lost any character he had.
Tsatigirl said "When we saw the carryout Pollo containers Hank brought to the Whites poolside I think I read too much into it. I'm thinking that Hank knows Gus and that maybe Gus is an informant or helps the DEA in small ways as a cover for his larger drug enterprise"
Yeah, I think you are reading way too much into it too.
Hank doesn't know Gus. Hank likes food and Hank discovered a chicken place that is going to give KFC a run for its money as he said. He just likes the food. I had Dunkin Donuts yesterday or the day before. I don't know the owner of that branch or any Dunkin Donuts franchises at all. I just eat there. Hank is just eating at the chicken place too.
I sure liked the actor that played Jane's father. He was very, very good. Just the right touch of gullibility and weakness over his daughter, and paternal love. Really great.
I think it is totally plausible that Walt and Donald ended up at the same bar. Even though Albuquerque is a fairly large city, it is still a small town at heart. There are plenty of times when I've been away from the city for a long period of time then go home for a visit and run into someone I know at the weirdest places...most of all at neighborhood bars. Albuquerque is divided into quadrants (NE, SE, SW, NW) and large neighborhood sections, like the South Valley (home to Tuco [and my mom!]), the North Valley, the Heights (home to Hank and Marie), the West Side, Martineztown, Country Club (where Jesse's auntie lived), Old Town, Nob Hill, University area (where Jesse/Jane apartment is located), etc. One just needs to frequent an area, become familiar with it, and voila! you become part of that small town. That's why I like Albuquerque so much.
I woke up this morning thinking a lot about last night's show. What really hit me is the thinking that the answer is money, and that human life can be equated in terms of the almighty dollar sign.
I thought about Walt and how his initial premise that since he was dying, he needed to leave his family in a position where money wouldn't be an issue. When really, what he should have been thinking is that the time he has left on this earth is much more valuable to his family than any amount of money he could amass. He missed this opportunity to build "family wealth" and lasting memories but instead has decided to chase the almighty dollar and look where it has led.
Even last night's show was about how little Jane's life equated to the almighty dollar. Jane got lost in the mania of thinking that a bag full of money could save her life. It didn't.
And this money mania will only continue to cut a path of destruction throughout all the lives it touches. Until someone finally decides that really the value of human life is LIFE itself: how we love and care for ourselves and others, how we love and care for our communities (whether they be a home, a neighborhood, a city, our Mother Earth).
I think there is nothing more grounding than having a newborn child share its magic with you. That's what babies do. And when Walt was lying on the bed with his daughter on his chest, he was realizing that real truth to humanity, that the value of human life is LIFE itself. Holly's little baby heart was beating humanity back into his shallow soul, but instead, he decided to equate this moment back into the stacks of Benjamins behind the insulation in the garage, because this is what he can do. This is how he can provide. He totally missed the boat. This to me was truly the saddest moment of the whole show.
My life has been a long strange trip indeed, and I can say I have lived through the highest of highs and lowest of lows. We can all say that, I'm sure. There are way worse things than being without money, a home, a car, a college fund. Heck, I've lived most of my life one paycheck away from disaster. But, the one thing I give thanks for every day is the love in my life...my children, my family, my dog...all those things that make life worth living.
To quote another favorite movie: " A heart is not judged by how much you love; but by how much you are loved by others." Money will never have a heart.
By conversequeen on May 25, 2009 10:27 AM
Walt getting all that attention on t.v. for his website is not going to be good. I'm going out on a limb, but all Tio did was watch t.v., so I'm guessing he'll see Walt on t.v. and start ringing that bell. The infamous Juarez boys will make their appearance.
By tuttle300 on May 25, 2009 10:38 AM
These two personalities share the same body and it's interesting watching the actor juggle both personalities as each circumstance arises
Bring on season 3 so we can watch this volcano erupt!
I really can't hate Jane, I did, but I just can't, she wasn't a bad person, it was just a tragic downfall due to the needle. She was consumed by it, and living with Jesse was like asking for it to happen too.
When Walt. Jr made that website, it was actually pretty heartbreaking for me, I thought it was just the most awesome thing a kid could do..... We don't see much of him but he really does care a lot. (reading the real one was actually pretty sad too)
It also happens to lead to a tangible way Walt can get money......
Skyler won't forgive Walt for missing the baby's birth, especially since he last delivery was obviously went rather badly....
I thought Walt showing the baby the money was creepy
I liked Jane's dad, and felt really bad for the guy. I hope he doesn't go off the deep end next episode, but he might......
Jane's dad+Walt in the bar was a good scene. (I noticed the Mars Rover being prominent) Walt really does look at Jesse as a son in ways, the father-son dynamic really is picking up steam.
Jane and Jesse talking about New Zealand "Where they filmed Lord of the Rings" As a LOTR nerd, I actually noticed something a little else, when they walk into the bedroom and see the heroin it was almost like the lure of the ring.....drawing them in.
The end was just so sad, and Walt I think thought he was doing right by Jesse.
Damn, over 250 comments already! I don't even know where to start because this was such an amazing episode, but here we go...
Well, I knew it would happen. I knew Jane would die like this. Yes, I was hoping for it for weeks, and it finally happened. I have to say I think Krysten Ritter is a horrible actress. I was almost laughing in her "dramatic" scenes with her dad. And when she was talking all breathless and high-voiced, she sounded just like Heather Graham (Rollergirl from Boogie Nights, who someone here already mentioned). But I thought her death scene was very disturbing, and she played that pretty well. As much as I hated her, it was hard to see her die like that, especially knowing that people die like that every day. I was hoping that Walt wouldn't save her, and he didn't. Like some have said, it was similar to Tony Soprano suffocating Christopher, especially since it was a relief to Walt that he wouldn't have to worry about her being a threat anymore. When Walt cried, the reason could have been one of many, or maybe a combination. One reason is that he just watched a young woman die and let it happen, another is that he thought about what it would do to Jesse (his "nephew" that he does think of as family), another is that he thought to himself that this is someone's daughter, and another could be that he realizes how far he's fallen, letting something like this happen because of his new criminal life. It was VERY brilliant foreshadowing of Janes' death when Walt put the baby on her side "In case she spits up a little". The scene with Walt and Donald at the bar was sad, and if only Donald realized that his conversation with Walt would inadvertantly lead to his own daughter's death.
Someone here made a reference to Pulp Fiction and the scene where Uma Thurman overdosed. It's weird, Jane's hairstyle always reminded me of Uma's in that movie. Coincidence?
A lot of people are saying that Walt was the "Phoenix" in this episode, and that could be, but I actually saw Jane as the Phoenix. Think about it, all the people in the rehab meeting (And that wasn't Kid Rock by the way) were talking about "rebirth", i.e. getting clean and off of drugs. That's what Jane had done, she had been reborn as a Phoenix, but when she backslid and fell back into it, her death was very similar to that of another famous person: River PHOENIX! Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it seems like she was two sides of a Phoenix (with different meanings): The positive (getting clean) and the negative (backsliding and dying like River Phoenix).
Did anyone notice all the references, and usage of, the telephone in this episode? At the very beginning, when Walt threw out his spare tire, it rolled along and then ran over an old phone sitting on the ground. Then throughout the whole episode, Walt repeatedly lied to Skyler on the phone, and lied about who was on the phone, not to mention Donald calling the cops on Jane, and many other phone usages. Not sure exactly what this means. Maybe the phone is a symbol of connection between people, since it can connect people no matter how far away they are. When Walt's spare tire hit the phone, maybe that was signifying that his lies (represented by the tire, which kept rolling faster and faster, unable to stop) are destroying the connection he has with his family.
Walt Jr. is such a good kid. He just is. I went to the actual website savewalterwhite.com, and it's so nice. Every parent should be lucky enough to have a son like him. Which makes me worry because of my next paragraph...
I'm probably totally wrong here, but my prediction of who is in the body bags is Donald and Walt Jr. What if Donald somehow finds out that Walt is connected to Jesse, and partially responsible for Jane's death? What if he sees Walt and his family on the news next week because of Walt Jr.'s website, and what if Donald goes to Walt's house to extract revenge, and what if he kills Walt Jr., either accidentally (meaning to kill Walter instead) or intentionally (making Walter feel the pain of losing a child, like he did), and then maybe Donald will kill himself. Maybe Donald will be waiting in the back of Walt's Aztec with a gun, and then for some reason, Walt Jr. gets in the car, and Donald shoots him from behind, the bullet going through Walt Jr. and through the windshield, breaking it? Of course, I'm probably totally wrong, but this scenario jumped into my head last night, especially after seeing that Walt Jr. is going to be on the news next week. A similar thing happened in the movie Pay It Forward, where Haley Joel Osment's character was interviewed on the local news, but then he was killed that day, and later in the evening, his mom watched the footage of him talking on the news. It would be so tragic if that happened, and I hope that's not the case. I don't see how the burnt stuffed animal and Walt's glasses and everything would fit into that. It looks like we'll see the burnt animal next week! The preview showed a quick clip of it floating in the pool, and someone standing there looking down at it. I couldn't tell if it was Walt or Hank. I can't wait for next Sunday!!!
For those who are unhappy about Walt letting Jane die - to fulfill the integrity of the show's concept, it was completely in character for Walt to do that. Think about it, the show is Breaking Bad - it is a character study of a person in a downward spiral. If the writers remain true to the show's intent, Walt will continue to break bad until he comes to te inevitable bad end. I love this show, the best I've ever seen!
I have noticed somewhat of a tie in with the epsiode names, that they somehow relate to the next show..
It seemd like Grilled was the one that brought it to my attention.. one can say ok Tuco grabbed them and grilled them for info, but it was bizzare that in the next show they gave Hank Tuco's grill.
Not quite sure about Mandala, which is a very intrigate sand painting that is destroyed later, could the mandala be the relationship with Jesse and Jane... with Jane to be destroyed later.. generally they toss the sand into a river.. is Jane's body going to end up in the Rio Grande? via Saul.
The phoneix, the nest and the bird are destroyed and the new one arises, is it Jesse getting off drugs, to become a partner that even Gus can trust.
Or is it Gus's main chicken ops is centered out of the city of Phoenix?
Some of the eps. yeah they are pretty much straight forward in the name.. but there is some "Grey" areas..does that "Matter" ;)
I don't think that Don will relate to Walt being the one who let his daughter die. No one know but Walt. Don will blame Jesse, but more so he will blame himself.
OFFICIAL Body count as of episode 212 - Emilio, Crazy-8, No-Doze, Gonzo, Tuco, Tortuga, 2 or 3 Mexican Federales and 1 DEA Agent, Spooge, Combo and Jane. Oh and must give respect to the poor Desert Tortoise also.
listen to the song playing at the bar, THE OUTLAWS, GREEN GRASS AND HIGH TIDES
In a place you only dream of
Where your soul is always free
Silver stages, golden curtains
Filled my head, plain as can be
As a rainbow grew round the sun
All the stars I've love who died
Came from somewhere beyond the scene you see
These lovely people played just for me
Now if I let you see this place
Where stories all ring true
Will you let me past your face
To see what's really you
It's not for me to ask these questions
As though I were a king
For you have to love, believe and feel
Before the burst of tamborines take you there
Green grass and high tides forever
Castles of stone souls and glory
Lost faces say we adore you
As kings and queens bow and play for you
Those who don't believe me
Find your souls and set them free
Those who do, believe and love
As time will be your key
Time and time again I've thanked them
For the peace of mind
They helped me find myself
Amongst the music and the rhyme
That enchants you there
Green grass and high tides forever
Castles of stone souls and glory
Lost faces say we adore you
As kings and queens bow and play for you
James26
Great insights to the show! I can't get with your Donald and Walt Jr. though. How would the website link Walt and Jesse togather? I thought Donald would kill Jesse then himself but we would need 3 body bags then wouldn't we? Maybe just Donald and Jane? I was wondering why after 18 months of Jane being clean Donald was still going to NA meeting with her? Could it be he is also going for himself? Most NA meeting are "closed meeting"( at least in LA) meaning you must be a addict to attend.
Could he have a drug problem in his past also?
He was in a bar drinking something on the rocks by himself. Who does that?
OMG I love this show I used to be a major tweeker and lets just say I was very high up on the cooking chain and the characters act so real and amazing. I have dated many Jesse's in my life time. That is why I am soooo profoundly in love with the show and the dynamics of the people in it . I am glad Walt let Jane eat it too. It was a hard but wise decision
Johnp22-Thanks! I don't think the website would link Walt and Jesse at all, but maybe Donald would find out some other way about their connection, especially with Walt telling him about his "nephew" in the bar. I'm probably completely wrong, but it kind of made sense to me, especially when the preview said "Donald's grief leads to tragedy".
This show has some of the best tv writing I've seen. My husband got me into The Shield, and I was looking for a show to really get into. This show is like that one in many respects. The characters are complicated, who will coldly kill anyone who gets in their way, then moments later be loving, gently family members. This illustrates the duality of human nature, the good vs evil war that rages in all of us. No one in this series is "good" or "bad", they've all shown in one way or another they break the law. For those who are now crying that they can't care for the characters anymore because they've gone too far, this where they were headed. This show is not going to have a happy ending when it finishes. There will be serious karma to pay in the end. If anyone can't face that kind of an end, maybe this isn't the show for you. When The Shield ended, EVERYONE LOST, even the innocent. It was hard to take, but that was the road everyone was traveling on.
I'm not going to make any predictions about who is in those body bags, 'cus so far the writers have outfoxed us all!
The pool scene with Hank and Marie was a scream. The chicken came from Los Pollos Hermanos! Hank: what do you have, a printing press in the garage cranking out 50's? ROTFLMAO! BTW. I don't think Hank has a clue about Gus' operation. He's not as good a cop as his bosses think he is and he knows it. He fell ass backwards into finding Tuco. Then the panic attacks, feeling haunted by Tucos grill, then that fiasco in El Paso, yeah, he knows he's reached his Peter Principle point.
There will be serious friction between Walt and Ted. Walts sense of manhood and pride will prod Heisenberg into putting Ted in his place like he did Hank. Wonder how that will play out.
Doesn't get heavier than this. Walt tearing up listening to his baby girl being sung to sleep and then letting tears slip out as he watches another's baby girl going in for the BIG sleep. Sledgehammer-time.
And, kudos to the producers for linking SAVEWALTERWHITE's website to a real cancer charity. Well done in the afterfunk of America's fascination with greed.. 1 2 GO
Of course Walter had to let Jane choke on her vomit. After her threats, his freedom and his family were at stake. I will miss Krysten as she is a cutie. They did a good job making Jane look strung out near the end. This hour goes by way too fast. Seems like five minutes! :) I think that there are posters on here with different ID's that have conversations with themseleves. They must have different ISP's as well or else they would have been booted.
Hey guys and gals. Man, what an episode! I loved the interaction between Walt and Donald at the bar. It was quite poignant when Walt realized how much like family Jesse had indeed become to him. I don't think that he intended for Jane to die but his inaction led to her death. Thus her blood is somewhat on his hands. I know that Walt was in a really difficult situation and Jane probably would have ended up dead soon anyway on the course she was on. Still, this is further proof of Walt's alter-ego Heisenberg coming out. One could argue that the true Walt is still very much a part of who he is though or he could have killed Jesse. I believe Jesse has become more and more like a son to Walt though and it pains him greatly to see him on this destructive path, I pray that Jesse losing Jane will be a serious wake up call to him and he gets back on course.
I'm off work today and using brother's computer so I better go for now. Talk to you later guys. Special shout out to the Real Combo, James 26, Jamm54, Laz and all my other BB buds : )
anyone catch that Walt was "learning " about elephants on TV, and elephants happen to be very close knit and have tight family groups.They also are know to be very affected by the loss a family member.
Very interesting about the elephants....I hadn't thought of that. Just another example of how awesome the writers are, working at so many different levels...
James26- Now that I think of it, Walt jr and Donald in the bags makes sense to me. I can see Donald somehow linking Walt to Jesse, and in a drunken state of mind take out Walt jr and himself, to make Walt feel the pain of losing a sibling. Wouldn't that be sad, that by Walt 'saving' his 'nephew' Jesse by letting Jane die, he loses his actual son Walt jr.
Do AMC writers have an issue with the name "Jane"? In Mad Men, Jane was a homewrecker, a problem to Joan, and she was Sterling's main reason for accepting the merger with the British, which may or may not have been a good idea. In Breaking Bad, Jane was a blackmailing junkie who came between Jesse and Walt's partnership and introduced Jesse to the needle and heroin.
I was wondering what the significance of the elephants was...that's really interesting. I hope it's not foreshadowing a member of Walt's family being killed. :(
Skinny-I really hope Walt Jr. isn't killed, but that scenario made th emost sense to me!
Hey Trublue, thanks for the actor info. I forgot about going to IMDB. I'm getting senile in my old age. Skottey, the reason I don't collect dvd's is because I collected a bunch of vhs tape's that are now obsolete. I'm also broke. Netflix seems like a reasonable alternative for now. Although I did order the Pirate's porn movie and Netflix cut all the good stuff out of it. Why they even offered it is beyond me. The podcast with Vince is finally out now. The pic of Walt and Skylar on the Savewalt website is too funny.
JANE! We knew it!
When I saw the baby getting that rolled towel behind it's back, and then Jane explaining to Jesse about being on your side after shooting up. Wow!
Walt and Don together! Having the same feelings about the couple. Don=Jane, Walt=Jesse.
Then, when Walt practiced benign neglect with Jane, and let her die, I could see in Walt's face the transformation of Walt to Heisenberg. It was great! I was going thru the same feelings: choking girl, I could save her, wait! She is my grief! I will wait, and she did die. Bye Bye New Zealand!. Bye bye Jesse's new life.
Thank Goodness!. I hope Walt wiped his prints off of the syringe, and took back the money. This is now a crime scene.
WT-fuck! Walt showing his baby girl his "accomplishment". Is that all he is proud of?
I wanted to log on last night before the many posts, but I thought that would be too, too.
I can't believe Walt with allow Jane to die, he has too much humanity in him! The previews with Jane in a body bag maybe a flash-forward 'conscious' scene in the next episode as Walt finds a pic of Jane and her Dad in a wallet or on Jesses' cellphone, or perhaps her Dad shows up at the duplex too.
Jane is too interesting of a character to kill off, and personally I like her bum too.
With all we have seen from Walt being a loving husband/Father with a new baby girl, and a caring high school teacher, letting Jane die as he watched would ultimately spoil any further shows for me.
Very powerful episode. The final scene with Walt watching as Jane choked to death was as intense a moment as I've ever seen on any show I ever watched. I'm interested to see how the Walt/Jane's dad relationship plays out, and as has been mentioned, whether or not he'll be in the body bag.
I can't believe Walt with allow Jane to die, he has too much humanity in him! The previews with Jane in a body bag maybe a flash-forward 'conscious' scene in the next episode as Walt finds a pic of Jane and her Dad in a wallet or on Jesses' cellphone, or perhaps her Dad shows up at the duplex too.
Jane is too interesting of a character to kill off, and personally I like her bum too.
With all we have seen from Walt being a loving husband/Father with a new baby girl, and a caring high school teacher, letting Jane die as he watched would ultimately spoil any further shows for me.
I can't believe Walt with allow Jane to die, he has too much humanity in him! The previews with Jane in a body bag maybe a flash-forward 'conscious' scene in the next episode as Walt finds a pic of Jane and her Dad in a wallet or on Jesses' cellphone, or perhaps her Dad shows up at the duplex too.
Jane is too interesting of a character to kill off, and personally I like her bum too.
With all we have seen from Walt being a loving husband/Father with a new baby girl, and a caring high school teacher, letting Jane die as he watched would ultimately spoil any further shows for me.
* Men in hazmat suits
* Pink stuffed animals has scorch marks on it
* Glasses being put in evidence bag are bent up and missing a lens, other lens is shattered
* Bag of crayons, Other bag a cell phone?
* Everything all wet, seems pretty obvious was removed from pool
Seems like there was an explosion in the house...
* Walt's car is in the driveway. It's covered in dirt with the exception of the frost passenger window. The windshield appears to have bullet holes in it.
Could he have been driving in the desert? Why?
Two body bags in the driveway. One on right appears to be a heavyset body and one on the left is considerbly smaller in size.
I was thinking of the Cartel and the new (extremely cautious) buisness partner when they introduced the " Savewalterwhite.com" website. That would be a lot of unwanted publicity and he isn't exactly a kingpin yet.
That was a great episode! I was not happy that Jane died though. You could see the noticeable change in Walt in the last few episodes...he was turning into Heisenberg. Jane's death is going to turn Jesse into a full blown junkie and the series will probally loose its levity. Without the levity its going to be another OZ or some other show that is too dark. I think Jesse will be left to deal with everything going to hell in the next episode cuz Walts going to be in surgery. I deffinetly think the save Walter White foundation is going to F*** them royaly. Jane's dad knowing Walt isn't good either. Isn't it "coincidental" that the drugs are out of Jesse's house now and possibly all the money? Oh and the explossion could be a meth explossion....
You have to love a show that allows the lead character to stand there and do nothing while he watches a young girl choke to death on her own vomit – how many shows would do that?
You won’t be seeing that on ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX anytime soon.
Great acting, superb writing and excellent direction all combine to make this one kick-ass –can’t miss-can’t guess what’s going to happen next – show.
Applause all around.
Having said that, a few predictions:
Based on the preview for next week, Jane’s body bag is black; the ones in the driveway are white (hint-hint). My best guess: Walt, Jr. and his aunt (Skylar’s sister) are home babysitting when the new hot water heater (Walter installed half assed) explodes and kills them (never cared for the sister in law, but people are going to be bullshit when Walt Jr. gets blown to bits). Walter, Sr is off cleaning up another ‘Jesse Mess’ and Skylar is off having a fling with the boss when this happens. Guilt abounds. Walt missed his daughter’s birth because of a drug deal and misses his son’s death because of a dead drug addict. The burnt pink teddy bear symbolizes Walt, Jr - and the haz-mat guys are there because of the ‘debris’ after the explosion (hence the car being demolished). Hank, out of work for ‘emotional leave’ because of the death of his wife (and co-workers, previously) stumbles onto Jesse’s trail and starts getting closer to Walter (Heisenberg) day by day. Jesse is melting down because Jane is dead, his money is missing (Walter took it back for safekeeping), and Jane’s father is looking for his missing daughter (he doesn’t know she’s dead, yet) and Hank has stumbled onto some local blue meth and is starting to connect it to Jesse. Finally, the show ends with the now dead Walt Jr. paying tribute to his dad via the video taped news piece before the explosion. Tears flood from the eyes of BB fans everywhere.
The set up for next season:
Walter and Skylar’s disintegrating family, marriage, physical and mental health
Lies, guilt, illegal activity and infidelity abound
They all pay for their deceit and deception in the most valuable currency they have: their loved ones
Hank becomes a one man drug hunter
Jesse sinks further into drugs and catches Hank’s eye
Gus, the drug lord/chicken king starts killing off Jesse’s crew with sights on Jesse himself
Walter becomes a ‘consultant’ to Gus’s ‘cooking’ operation in the basement of one of the chain stores, trying to figure where his life took such an awful and deadly turn. He never gets to spend the money (it got burned up in the explosion).
Final thought: The series should end with Walter dying in Jesse’s arms, pleading with him to leave drugs and make something of himself. Amazingly, Jesse does. Flash forward 5 years and it’s Jesse, clean and sober, flush with all his cash, now the new ‘Gus – the Chicken King ‘– all a big front for his now sizable drug operation.
This show is just dark enough to try something like that. Thankfully.
Comments from talking with my wife: the body bags on the driveway are white, ep13 preview last night showed a glimpse of Jane being zipped into a black body bag.
As Walter is watching Jane die, we hear a car outside. Is it Jane's dad driving up, or just a car driving by?
The preview photo's for ep 13 show a "Gus" in a car with Walt that looks like the pro cleaner we see in the preview shown after ep 12. Maybe the Gus that Walt met in ep 11 isn't really kingpin of the operation? Seems strange that there would be two Gus's, and not likely that there would be a mistake on the ep 13 preview photo's on the website?
The title for ep 13 is "ABQ", so are people coming and/or going from Albuquerque Airport? Skylar could be leaving with the baby, after hearing Walt say he has two cell phones. Not sure if any of the Mexican drug cartel would be flying into ABQ, unless via a private plane...
With the preview for ep 13 showing Walt helping Jessie after Jessie's "big personal loss", this must happen before Walt's operation because Walt should be out of commission for several days or weeks. Unless, Skylar asks Walt more about the two cell phones and then leaves in anger, and Walt leaves the hospital before the operation to follow her.
Need to rest my brain, too many thoughts about how this will end up....
Well, now that Walt has enough money for his family and his operation, will he quit? That would be the only way that he could possibly redeem himself at this point in the game. I somehow don't think so. I hope not. It would be too boring to see the old Walt come back. Besides, he's now way too addicted to the power and money he's gained.
Hi. I'm new to the board, but not to the show. I watched the first season over just a couple of days when AMC aired the marathon a few months back, and I've watched this season episode by episode with great interest. The show is head and shoulders above any other series on now...or maybe ever.
Sunday nights were especially rewarding when "Big Love" was on and the viewer could enjoy back-to-back Aaron Paul. I was really impressed when I first realized that was him on both shows in such very different roles. Great actor.
But right now I want to talk about Bryan Cranston and that much-discussed scene last night when Jane died. The way I interpreted it, Walt could see she was in trouble and still hadn't decided whether to help her or not, when suddenly it was over and he knew she was dead. I thought it was wonderful acting, how he conveyed his different emotions - White vs. Heisenberg- with no words, just his face. One of the most poignant aspects of this show is how one bad decision (or lack of a decision) snowballs into more and more trouble that you couldn't foresee. And this was one more example in this tangled web.
Wow, what an episode! Jane dying at the end really caught me off guard. She seemed like a good candidate for next week. Kudos to the writers for an incredible episode! Combo last week, then they up the ante with Jane this week. It certainly looks like two people die next week. I think at least one of them will be a major character. It would seem like a bit of a let down if it was two minor characters that the audience isn't invested in.
One more thought on next week. I expect that someone will find out about Walt's drug business, and they won't be happy. Walt has gone to great lengths to keep his secrets. Certainly letting Jane die has raised the stakes in that department. He will probably be able to keep his knowledge of Jane's death a secret, but maybe someone finds the money at the house, or recognized Walt's face on the website.
How wonderful to finally find some people as into this show as I am. Its absolutely amazing.
I just wanted to make a comment about the moral aspect of these characters, and peoples judgements of them. Some seem to think that the characters are not worth caring about if they become excessively bad, and some rationalize the decisions and behaviors of Walt and Jesse.
What I think is genius about the show is how it challenges the viewers. What I've come to is neither rationalizing what they do, nor judging it, but simply watching and learning about human behavior. Just as I care about friends and family who have done bad things without ever once saying what they did was OK. We are all trained to think a "good person" is to be liked, and "bad person" isn't. But what makes the difference? and what is also so genius about this show is that it reveals how everyone, to some extent is a little dirty.
Walt/Heizenburg is a deeply, deeply flawed man, and yes, a coward. He feels like he was always living in fear and now he isnt, but his actions, allowing a girl to choke to death for his own purposes reveals that he is still a very scared man. And that is why he seeks recognition for what he has done. Jesse, even though seeming much more flawed than Walt, is actually more moral. Every death has weighed on him heavily, and to be honest, if not for Walt he probably never would have ended up doing much else than cooking up some meth, banging broads and playing PS3. A large part of Walts loyalty to Jesse is a guilty conscious.
Again, that is the genius of the show. All these perfectly human, tragic people, yet they are, in many ways, all beautiful. The show shows how we all end up corrupted by our own lifes trajectory. How our fears rule us, even when we think we are being brave. Or, as I tell my friends all the time- "no-one gets out of here clean, nobody"
The actors on this show are amazing. All of them. Bryan, of course is pure genius. The actor they get to play the bit parts- Tuco, Saul, etc are simply awesome. I thought Tuco was one of the most entertaining drug dealers ever portrayed, and Saul....well....Saul is just absolute pleasure to watch.
This is the most challenging show I have ever seen. It pushes your buttons, pushes your patience, pushes you to a greater understanding and it pushes you to the edge of your seat, then bitch slaps you right at the end and makes you wait for a week to go through it all over again.
BEST SHOW EVER
Hard Marker-I loved your predictions! That would be kind of a funny ending if Jesse becamse the new Gus, lol. Personally, though, I hope at the end of the series, Jesse gets out of the drug world for good and tries to make something better of himself.
Hobbes, I completely agree with everything you said! And I also loved Tuco. He was the most entertaining drug dealer I've ever seen. I love Saul too. He always makes me laugh and adds a good dose of humor when things get too heavy. :)
Alexis said about Jane's death that "the creepiest part was that she seemed to be looking right at Walt when she gurgled her last breath." I noticed that, too. Cold freakin' chills. My best friend's nephew died just like that. Choked on his own hurl after using. Wasn't heroin in his case, but methadone. He was using it trying to get off the crystal. His brother came into his room to wake him up for work and found him. We live in a small town, but lemme tell you, the cops were all over his brother. They gave him a choice to go into rehab or to jail. Happily, he went to rehab and is now clean, going to school, with a wife and two kids. Not a day goes by he doesn't think about his brother, though. They were best friends and did everything together, including drugs.
I wasn't crazy about Jane, either. But I think she was just a sad, screwed-up kid. With a very manipulative side, true. Her dad has been heartbreaking to watch, and I'm sure, will continue to be.
Lots of people have commented on the humor in this episode. One of my favorites was when Jesse awas complaining about how Walt always treated him "like his dentured servant." That one killed me.
How about "Down will come baby cradle and all" for an explaination of the contents of the body bag episode. Walt, Jr. and the baby die in a retaliation from - pick a group they abound on at least five scores.
Walt & Skylar are left childless from the explosion and all Walt's drug production efforts are for naught. Walt goes into remission from a sucessful lumpectomy but serves out his remaining years behind bars. Skylar and Ted get caught and they end up behind bars. Jesse gets caught a second time around on a number of charges and he does serious time.
Then you have the Gray Matter couple who can't possibly have just flat walked away from Walt as he has some serious explaning left to do and Grey Matter has plenty of funds to hire whoever/whatever it takes to discover what Walt is up to along with the inclination to do so [Gretchen ain't happy with the way the whole situation went down when she talked with Walt & Skylar and she's no dummy and an inquisitive soul who cares(d) about Walt] - couldn't figure if she is more concerned about Walt or Skylar. Maybe the PI doing the investigation for Grey Matter decides to blackmail Walt & Jesse? Maybe the PI is the same PI that Saul hired.
Hank gets wasted by the cartel and he and the ABQ DEA never even figured in on Walt and Jesse always a step or two behind the game. Hank and company become a sad commentary on the state of drug enforcement in the southwest. Gus goes on like he ever did and Donald lives out the rest of his life wondering what he could have done diferently to save Jane. If Jane died Donald will turn to Jesse for revenge and that will have to sort out in the near future maybe next year. Unless Donald as some suspect has a shadow existence yet to be revealed. He seems to have gotten fairly well acquainted with a number of addicts in the support group over the years and so knows how to navigate the ABQ drug scene.
I thought the symbolism of Jessie's back supported by a rolled up towel as was the baby was shear genius on the part of the writer's. Knew about elephant family group social behaviour but never equated that with what was going on. Walts a thinker so it is probably relevant but we will probably never get confirmation on that score-make of it what you will.
I can't figure why Walt is leaving all his fingerprints and paraphenalia all over the place [tire from his car at the site of the deal] - he shouldn't be that stupid/careless after getting grilled by Hank about the chemical mask found by the DEA off road and traced to the Wynne HS and Walt's Chemistry class equipment inventory plus the missing flasks. Since Walt has recently since hooked up with Gus, Walt is definetly not thinking clearly and now accuses Jesse of the same thing. Neither one of them are thinking clearly only Saul has it together for the most expedient course of action in the whole group. Funny, it was Jesse who expressly told Walt what they needed was a "CRIMINAL attorney" - Jesse's street smarts or one big mistake. Saul has come through for the two so far though so we gotta give him credit for that.
Even money on whether Jesse cleans up his act as I think he is not addicted more recreational than addicted exampled by his earlier ability to return home to dry out for a couple days. He could probably quit cold turkey if given the right motivation. I think I've only seen him use on rejection/isolation but rarely if ever because he had to.
Surprised to hear some posts think Sweet Jane still has a shot at a comeback at Walt's intervention.
Most of the characters are equally deficient on diferent levels and so my thinking here is back to "down will come baby cradle and all".
It's been 11 yrs. since my last baby was born and I still remember with great detail how sweet it is to just lie around with the baby on your chest. Although Donald's baby was 27 yrs. old, he still remembered her as newborn, filled with promise. Of course he couldn't give up on her!
Although I found it a little creepy about Walt showing Holly the money and saying, "Look what Daddy did for you!", it's just one of those goofy little things you do when you have a newborn. She's the only one in his family he could tell and she wouldn't be judgmental. It was also interesting Walt was hiding money where either Skyler or Walt Jr. could find it, but he knew they wouldn't look. He's secure in his knowledge that they won't find it. Then too, when he lies and says he's unable to find newborn diapers while out shopping...he knows Skyler isn't going to tell him to get the larger size and just come home. What new mother would do that? He knows her too well.
I'm pretty well appalled that Walt let Jane die. Judging from his tears, I think he is, too, but it had to happen. Walt needs Jesse back to his old self and the death of Jane was pretty much the only way to accomplish this.
I see a few people are suspecting the new hot water heater as the cause of the two people's death next week. Since the hot water heater has been mentioned in at least two episodes and they spent basically one full episode with Walt working on it, I can see how you might draw the conclusion that the heater explodes, or maybe a gas leak from Walt's work leads to the explosion, but... in the three "teady bear of doom" foreshadowing scenes I haven't seen an actual damage to the White's house, at least on the exterior (if I missed something, please let me know).
In the most recent foreshadowing all the windows in Walts car appear broken or at least badly damaged, but the car body looked okay. Maybe some sort of explosion happens in the car, enough to kill two people and damage the windows, yet not total the car.
I'm more confused after this week's episode as to who the two bodies are. Maybe Hank and someone who comes looking to kill Walt? Does Walt Jr. website and TV interview tip off someone that Heisenberg has crossed and lead them to the White's house?
raculfright said "Jane died a bit too quickly I think, why didn't they just kill her off in the last episode?"
Not at all. The writers know what the hell they are doing. You have no inkling of what lies ahead next week to say that they should have done it in the last episode. Don't you think S2E13 is going to be a cliffhanger that is jam packed with material? I trust the writers over your opinion.
If you ask me and a handful of others, the death of Jane came too late. Like the other poster mentioned, she really is a horrible actress. I hope she is reading this along with any production companies that are thinking of casting her. That fucking haircut is horrible too.
I actually think she should be in porn. With all the men jerking off to Breaking Bad over this cunt, a show that isn't even about the sex, she would probably sell some smut. I personally as a guy do not find her attractive. Sure, she has a pretty good body but you can take the face and hair and cover it with a paper bag for all it is worth. She ain't all that.
If somebody asked me what I like least about Breaking Bad i would say first that it is not on a premium channel and some stuff is cut from the broadcast (see the DVD if you want to know what) and secondly, "the introduction and storyline of Jane." I think it more so bothers me the infatuation with her on this message board. If I didn't read this and get other people's opinions, I would probably be OK with her to an extent. But they did overdo her screen time. Bad actress, bad part of the storyline. 'nough said.
jesse's girl said "I bet at the end of the episode Jesse finds out Walt was there and let Jane die."
Care to elaborate on how? That makes no sense. He was wasted and out like a light. Last time around Walt had left 4 voicemails, and that is the ONLY way Jesse knew Walt took the drugs. Walt is certainly not going to tell him "I came to have an "uncle-nephew" chat and watched your girlfriend die."
Come on now. How on earth would he find out Walt was there? There is no significance in that being a part of a the storyline. So why?
MHJim said "Comments from talking with my wife: the body bags on the driveway are white, ep13 preview last night showed a glimpse of Jane being zipped into a black body bag."
What does this have to do with anything?
The bodybags in Walt's driveway certainly have nothing to do with Jane. She died in Jesse's apartment, so why would they be in Hazmat suits with Jane being one of the bodies at Walt's house? That is nonsensical. The bodybags are clearly two different people. For anybody thinking it might be Jane and Jesse, that was certainly ruled out after S2E12. I thought that went without saying. Please tell us why you would think Jane's body would end up as 1 of 2 bodies at Walt's house after she died in Jesse's apartment of a drug overdose?
I did notice that Skylar does wear a square watch , sort of like the one in the evidence bag.
Walt wears a digital, looks like it has a jillion fucntions.. guess if youe brain is the size of Wi. you need that ;)
Hank -digital,.. Jesse, Saul, Don... round
Ted, Maria, Gus .. couldn't tell
I noticed also, those aren't bullet holes in Walts car,
they are more like factures when someone inside hits the window. The car doesn't looked very dented up tho.
the reflection in the pool shows the sliding glas door intact and when the haz-mat guys are up front , there is also a relection of one of the front windows. I think it kind of rules out hot water heater explosion or gas leak explosion.
A weird thing is that Walt jr. is passed the crayon stage and Hollie is now where near it.. so is this further down the road
Skottey: Count me in as guilty as being somewhat infatuated with Jane's hotness. I won't deny it, but once she started Jesse mainlining, I was immediately turned off, hot lips and all. And the really big turnoff was the way she had all these big plans laid out for her and Jesse as soon as Walt brought the money over. How cool was that when she real greedy-like went to grab the bag of cash from Walt, and he jerked it away from her and just said "Jesse"! She just had this "What the FUCK?" look plastered all over her face! I would've LOVED to see her make a grab like that to Tuco! He would've buried that huge bowie knife in her skull...
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Yes Sir Mr. James26 that cracked me up too. It was Classic Jesse. Just an instant reaction, not thinking on his feet that it was for a drug test.
It's also telling of Jesse's psyche. Low self esteem, that anybody would actually care about him as a person, and not as a tool. Unconsciously he accepts Walt as a father figure, his phone call to Walt when he found the kitchen empty: Yell at me etc. He expected and actually needed a parental reaction from Walt. How long before he realizes consciously that Walt loves and accepts him like his own son, is one of the great dramatic teasers of the story.
DJ Jedi wrote in part:
"It certainly looks like two people die next week. I think at least one of them will be a major character. It would seem like a bit of a let down if it was two minor characters that the audience isn't invested in."
My, my! If we as the audience have become that bloodthirsty, then perhaps WE are Breaking Bad:-)
Walt did kill Jane- she had been on her side to avoid choking -he moved her onto her back.
In a way he saved her-
She didn't have any hope after deciding to let Jesse move in. When Jesse and Walt were in the broken down trailor dying in the desert and the other junkie got lost-you could just see Jane coming-still like wonderwoman-if Jessie had only called on her-if Jesse had only supported her in her meetings-if Jesse had only not degraded her for not using- but mostly she killed herself when she started using the needle-so in a way Walt saved her-because she had become a monster-and heroine don't love anybody-ever-although they are adept at fooling others like Jane fooled her dad by tapping into his belief that she still had emotions-believing that Jane was still there-wonderwoman and not junkie jane.
We don't know her character as well as Jesse, but she was just further along the same road that he has already been walking.
I almost cried back when she first held Jesses hand- she wanted to save him. Nothing was going to stop Jesse from his meth. So who, really, is selfish.
I think Walt let her die because he missed the birth of his daughter. She was in the way.
Just rewatched this episode and noticed Jonathan Banks in the previews for next week. I think this means that BB has officially taken the television lead in number of old bald white guys in one episode.
Skotty - in earlier posts one thought was that the two bodies would be Jane and her dad. Dad comes to get Jane for rehab in the morning and finds her dead, goes crazy with Jessie, and Jessie ends up killing him, too. Jessie calls Walt for help and the two bodies end up in Walts car. Walts car ends up near the (explosion) crime scene, and the cops find the two bodies in Walts car while investigating the explosion, and they put Jane and her dad in the white body bags. This is a stretch, but one (very slim) possibility. If Jane is shown being put into a black body bag, it makes her being one of the bodies in the white bag less possibe.
One other thought (not to do with body bags) is that the synopsis for ep 12 says something like "Walt watches as Jane becomes still". Maybe Jane doesn't die; the writers have been great at pointing us in one direction at the end of a show, and then taking us in another direction at the start of the next show.
I had to DVR this episode. 24 hours after it airs and 320+ comments. Might be some kind of record!
Each episode of this show has either left me with anger, dread, anticipation, hunger, or horrifying heartburn.
This episode made me almost vomit.
And I keep coming back.
My new favorite quote from the show: "ZOMBIES."
To "The Real Combo", you should give "Breaking Bad" inspired tours of ABQ, much like "The Real Kramer" gives "Seinfeld" inspired tours of NYC. (Kennykramer.com)
Bonus points if you can score a beat-up 30 year old Winnebago to transport your tourists!
One problem: I'm not sure grandmothers in suburban midwestern locales would be up for taking their grandchildren to see the place Spooge and his Skank called "home".
Love the show, love reading your comments each week even if I do want to bitch slap a few of you, I guess you can't all be "no mo dopers', and thankfully not. Excuse me if I've missed this somewhere but has anybody mentioned the short conversation Walt and Hank had at the side of the pool about the sonar alarm? If someone fell in, an alarm would go off? Spending most of my life in AZ & NV, kid drownings in pools are nearly weekly occurrences in summer, unfortunately. That entire Walt-Hank conversation was strange to me...if someone fell in and set the alarm off it would probably be too late. I flashed on the one eyed bear right then.
Thanks AMC for killing off Jane....I hope that ends the heroin storyline. "Phoenix" hit a little too close to home for me, in more ways than one. I understand how people behave in ways which are not themselves while being controlled by drugs. Walt is fascinating to me, as this is no drug I have known that controls him. He went from Heisenberg to Walt holding his newborn baby, to semi-dad for Jesse. In those last few seconds I'm unsure if it were 100% of either Walt or Heisenberg that let Jane die. I know that if Walt would not have shook Jesse, Jane would not have rolled on her back and would not have choked on her own vomit. He could have saved her. But his priority was always to save Jesse, which meant letting Jane die. I think FEAR was more in control in those final seconds than Walt or Heisenberg. I thought I actually saw Malcomb's dad for a minute. (and I watched it twice just to see that "look")
Not for any love of the character, but for my intense love of BB, my surprise at the events and probably because of many years ago of my deeply buried memories, those last 60 seconds had me gritting my teeth, tears running down my face, fingernails dug into my palms and stomach in knots. Thanks AMC!
I just now watched this episode. Love the show, of course. What a test the writers have thrown at their audience.
Walt has crossed the line. He has become the villain of the piece. He indirectly/directly killed someone and watched them die when he could have changed his mind and stopped it from happening. Someone whom his partner loved, in his way. Walt had his justification. His ego is so out of control. Jane was a human being, and he had no right to kill her. Walt deserves his comeuppance. My heart is not in it to root for him anymore. When his punishment hits, it will have to be severe, like a death to someone he loves, for me to back him again. For now I am waiting for that, and rooting for Jesse.
did you guys catch what Mr.White said to Jesse when he came over with the money? He threw the line, "Nice to see who wears the pants in your family" back at him.
somebody said something about.....someone dieing from methadone. He was using it trying to get off the crystal. I'm not trying to sound like a smarty pants but methadone is used to get off heroin not off crystal.
I too, had to catch this episode the day after. No TV in the mountains. Reading all the posts at once is a bit daunting. Best episode yet, but I've said that on more than one occasion, for what it's worth.
Lots of swings in this one. From the pink stuffed toy making yet ANOTHER appearance in the opening to the tenderness of new parents to the rage shared between Walt and Jesse in the classroom. From the bottomless darkness of addiction to the hilarity of Saul ("Works for me!")
If you weren't a Jane hater prior to this episode, you had every reason to be by the end. The way she controlled her dad and Jesse, showing her greed (it wasn't her money), exposing her evil bitch side by threatening to burn Walt to the ground. She truly became a horrible person this week.
And man, if BC didn't sew up another Emmy in the last scene. The changes of emotion, the facial expressions, the guilt, the regret of what he has become was screaming at you while nary a word was spoken. Walt's first reaction was to help Jane, then no, I'm going to walk away and let it happen, then no, I'm going to help. Back and forth, back and forth until he realized that for his sake, the sake of his family and Jesse, he had to let her die. And the lone tear signifying the last vestiges of humanity in a man who has truly broken bad.
Don't forget she was clean before her lover just had to pull out the crack pipe. So Jesse got her back on drugs before she turned him on to heroin.
If Walt only knew...
perhaps...
he wouldn't have killed her.
No I don't think so. I think not only did she vomit but she ODed. Heroin users who get sober and then relapse go back to using the same amount of the drug they were using when they had a higher tolerance for it, causing them to OD.
Could Walt save Jane even if he had tried???
So what about the person we seen peeking around the corner in Jesse's house, in the last scene of last weeks episode, when Walt was running out with the BLUE? Was that an editing mistake or what?
OK Walt started doing this for his family-- nothing else mattered.
But get this: he finally gets his $450,000+ payday-- and he needs everyone to know that HE got the money for his family. He can't let anyone else take credit. When he started this thing, that type of credit wasn't necessary.
Here is what he should do: Tell everyone that for the past several months he's been secretly working for a pharmaceutical company. They're developing some breakthrough medicine and they have reason to believe the competition is spying on their research. So they hired Walt to secretly work on a critical aspect of the project on his own. He's acting a a sub-contractor whose contribution will never be disclosed-- the drug company will just hand him a huge pile of cash. (In fact, they've already paid for his treatments; it wasn't his ex-partners-- that was just a cover.)
He's sorry that he had to decieve everyone, but that was condition of the lucrative assignment.
This makes a lot more sense than some hair-brained scheme of a Serbian hacker using cyber "zombies" to funnel the money into the "Save Walt" website.
What happened with Walt's project under the house? It looked like he was doing more than fixing the floor. I thought that was where he was hiding the money, but apparently not since it's in the garage wall.
Someone above mentioned the alarm theory for the pool, but they don't have an alarm yet. Hank & Walt were talking about getting one, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have one in the finale.
What would you have done if you were Walt when Jane died? Hypothetically, you are inserted into Walt's life in the moments he drove to Jesse's house the second time. You are going in to see your "nephew" and have a word with him. You move him to wake him up and his girlfriend rolls over onto her back and begins choking. If you were Walt, what would you do???????
I personally would have let her go too. Sure, he could have saved a life, but that could and probably would lead to them getting high again and it make take Jesse's life. Walt cares about his "nephew" Jesse and Jane doesn't mean a whole lot to him when she is trying to blackmail him and interfere with their little business. She would have killed Jesse with drugs or a broken heart in one way or another. I am surprised she didn't get him high and walk off with the bag of money. Not to mention she still could have "burned Mr White to the ground" by telling the "national media" his story.
The rest of the story aside, what would you do walking into Jesse's apartment? Would you save Jane or let her go?
I love the Rain Man Kid living with his mom in Belarus where no one can get at him. I love Saul. I love the learning moments in this show too. The zombie thing was something I'd never heard of before. Also with all of the hackers coming out of the Soviet Union where the government appears to be protecting them seems possible. Remember the April Fools Day virus scare? I know my comuputers been attacked by trojans. I'd forgot about making batteries out a potato in science. Also I looked up the type of water heater that Walt installed. There's no tank on it to blow up and according to this dealer blurg that I looked up
"SCAQMD approved, each Rinnai tankless water heater produces very low NOx (less than 40 PPM) and CO2 emissions, contributing to cleaner air and a healthier home and making it an environmentally sound gas appliance." So does it produce enough gas to blow up even if there's a possibilty that Walt installed it incorrectly. I can't envision brainiac Walt installing it wrong. Wouldn't there be a gas smell? Also from looking at the laundry room Walt does his own home improvements. I wonder why he hasn't finished the laundry room with all of the exposed insulation. Unless of course its the usual man thing of starting a project and never finishing it. Of course Walts free time for a bit was taken up with cooking, a thing he loves to do afterall.
Why we love the writers so much..they outsmart us every time. For all those turned off on Walt..Consider this..Walt has to return.. at least to do somehthing with the money..can't trust a junkie.
Phoenix may just be Jane?
Jane's dad may be trainer for Homeland Security..the guys who check your luggage.
A Romeo & Juliet scenario..Juliet just looked dead to
Romeo..In grief he stabs himself.Juliet wakes up and finds him..
she then takes her life for real...the previews show Jesse with an oxygen mask..Since Jesse is a star of the show. It is sure
that he will make it
Only Jane and Jesse know her dad is due the next morning.The previews show a possible cleaner approaching an unscathed Jesse in Daylight. (Jesse on the stairs, doesn't appear freaked as he would waking up next to a dead body nor harmed from an angry dad nor any police presence)...
Somehow Walt has come with a plan....
As for the guys in the hazmat gear..maybe a scary teaser having nothing to do with Walt or his business?
Walt letting Jane choke was best. Jesse did not "get her back on the stuff".. she made her own decision.
She was going to be a huge problem. DId you pay attention to her reaction when they got the bag of money. She made references to her life, her this her that. It was not her money.
I think that Walt and Jesse are going to dispose of the body themselves. When the dad shows up Jesse will probably say he hadn't seen her lately.
I am going to hate to wait another full year until this comes back on like last time...
Ok, could the writers really be messing with us here? ABQ is the airport code for the airport in Albuquerque. The flash forwards show guys in hazmat suits, damage to Walt’s car, body bags, and debris floating in pool.
Here is a scenario, albeit far-fetched. A small plane carrying some toxic substance, biological, chemical, radioactive, .i.e. suffers catastrophic failure as it approaches ABQ. The occupants, completely unrelated to the story line, are ejected from the plane and land in Walt’s driveway and on his car. The aircraft explosion also scatters hazardous debris in and around Walt's house. The house has to be quarantined as the hazmat team has to conduct an extensive search and removal of contamination. Walt is not permitted to enter his own house to relocate the money. The head of the agency that is overseeing the clean up talks about having to completely gut and destroy the home to prevent further contamination. This agency has to train its agents even on their days off.
Wow! 341 comments already! hey, are you guys serious that that was Kid Rock at the NA meeting? To quote the great Kevin James, Shuttee!" No way! was it really? That's awesome.
bigfreakinnaz...love your new avatar. Your old one rocked too though : )
I need to read everyone's comments to get caught up on all yout thoughts. I was off yesterday and am just now getting up to date on our message board.
Late to the party as usual, but just a couple things that I think could add to the drama for the finale.
What Jesse does when he wakes up to find Jane dead is critical. If he takes the money and runs, remember Janes Dad knows his real name now. Even if though it will be ruled an OD, the cops are still going to come looking, and now Donald can get them started in the right direction. His best bet would be to stash the money, then take his lumps with the Donald, and the Cops. They already think he's just a junkie from the Tuco incident, and this time it will be no different. He may face a possession charge, though. Or Donald could come looking for him via PI, or other means and try to to get revenge, as he surely thinks Jesse is the one who got Jane back on the smack. Several possible scenarios.
The website is going to be a problem. The media is going to eventually catch wind of this teenage boys website to save his dad, especially once it becomes such a "success" once Walt starts laundering money through it. Gus probably isn't going to be happy that his new "vendor" is all over the 6 o'clock news. Who else has seen Heisenberg in person. Tio, Skinny Pete, Badger?
I still haven't decided if the Body Bag scene is going to be this next episode, or next season. Walt is going into surgery, so we have to assume he will be tied up at least for this episode. Skyler will take his glasses, so that could explain how they are at the scene. Not going to speculate much on this because there are too many possibilities, and I would be guessing at best.
It seems like a recurring theme is going on with Walt rationalizing his integrity away ,there is a pathological ,and moral battle going on inside him .His instinct to save Jane cut off by his own selfish desire to be rid of her.All in Jesses best interest of course ,yet his obvious remorse and regret as he watches her suffocate on her own vomit........compelling television for sure,superbly acted by Bryan........I shunned the "idiot box " for a good 5 years before I heard about this show and now its the only reason I own a television.Cant wait to see the finale
Forgive me if this has been addressed already and you have all helped me see things that I have missed, (like Jane's rolling of pillows to prevent aspiration - but Walt's spare tire rolling away seems to be an incriminating bit of physical evidence? I love how these previously empathetic characters (Jessie, Jane, White) are now deteriorating into what makes junkies impossible to have around - I did NOT notice kid rock at ALL. Good eyes, all of you! I'm new here but have been watching the show since season II started. Is this the END of the show? Seems like it can really go on too much longer??? leave. Any guesses what will happen when Q (I mean John de Lancie) meets up with Walt (at the funeral?) It certainly seems that Walt is toast and the one who will suffer the most? The teen son - what feet of clay he's about to endure........
I know that we are all passionate about BB but I was wondering what other shows do you guys watch religiously. The ones you record or find some way not to miss it. I have a few but NO reality shows for me!
Dexter
True Blood
Madmen
Fringe
Lost
In Treatment
Entourage
Flight of the Conchords
Big Love
Medium
About the end of the last episode where the chick dies:
Do you think Walt let her die, (not roll her over), so that Jesse would stop hanging out with her, like he did it to save him?
Also: Do you think Walt is going to take Jesee home with him that night and get him out of the apartment?
Nip/Tuck
Dexter even though the books are darker
Weeds
Saving Grace
Just started Trueblood on dvd
Tried Lost and got Lost
The Closer is pretty good.
Law and Order, the L&O SVU is getting pretty lame though.
Even if Wwalt turned Jane on her side it doesn't mean she stuill wouldn't have OD'd. She wouldn't have choked on her own vomit, but she very well could have died from shooting up too much Heroin.
Slygirl, I totally agree. No way to know that anything Walt might have done could have saved her.
Some have stated Walt is no longer likeable because we allowed Jane to die. Was he likeable after he deliberately choked Crazy 8 to death? Coincidently, Crazy 8 also warned Walt about Jesse. It did seem Walt was more conflicted in his internal debate about letting Crazy 8 go. Of course he did have more time to make that decision. Too bad Walt didn’t asked Crazy 8 "How U-lock me now, bitch?"
Maybe his conflict and decision about terminating Crazy 8 helped with his decision to allow Jane to die.
actually there are drugs out now that can prevent someone OD'ing such as naloxone. Standard fare in any ambulance. Given Jesse location... the hospital's right around the corner.. not like they are out in the country... at worse even a heimlich maneuver on his part, call 911 and run like hell.
I'll say that Emilo and Krazy-8 both were more or less self defense... but to just stand there with his crocodile tears... it may not be murder, but it's Involuntary Manslaughter....junkie or not
Skottey-Wow! Your Jane hatred seems to top even mine! :)
Blue Runner-I was gonna say the same thing about Walt saying to Jesse "Nice job wearing the pants", but I forgot. Jesse said the exact same thing to Walt in season one! :)
Next week should be a doozy. it's going to be rough waiting a year between seasons. What will we do??? Is this forum still open throughout the year? I wish the Real Combo would meet us all in New Mexico and we could all take a tour of the local places they went to on Breaking Bad. We could all go out for dinner and drinks too. Wouldn't that be a blast!
TheRaalCombo, it'd be awesome to see you perform too!
Anyone believe Walt would have acted differently if he knew that it was Jane's dad in the bar? Would the humanization of Jane have changed his actions?
I need to watch it again now to see all the things I missed.
Blue Runner-I was gonna say the same thing about Walt saying to Jesse "Nice job wearing the pants", but I forgot. Jesse said the exact same thing to Walt in season one! :)
Yeah good catch on that one blue runner! I thought that sounded familiar somehow.
Alright well this forum sucks (by that I mean the format of it, not the people on here). I think I am going to leave this place for http://greymatter.forumotion.net/. The simple reason is if you're not on here several times a day it's easy to lose track. You have to read through all the posts which could take hours. It's not in a real forum format, which sucks monkey balls.
I wish you guys would join me over there. I will have no choice but to stop by here from time to time though. It's just way too addicting, and then you've got the great posters like blue runner, tweeders, laz, bigfreakinnaz, james, slygirl, and whoever else I left out, not to mention the real combo! But greymatter is dope and there's an administrator on there that's been talking to Gomez from the show. Pretty cool shit.
Thanks for inclluding me in the shoutout with the forum superstars like James, laz, blue runner, tweeders,and bigfreakinnaz.{yes, you are still first James : ) }, Like I've said before, it's a true honor to be a part of this group. I have never been a part of a talk forum before. I will totally take your advice trublu8 and check out http://greymatter.forumotion.net/.
Just remembered something I'd been meaning to mention a few weeks back (before I'd gotten around to registering here):
I think the writing and acting took some care to point out that Jesse was really falling in love with Jane (and, quite possibly, she with him). His voice was different when he talked to her - very tender and vulnerable. He tried so hard to cook her a nice breakfast, when it was obvious he didn't have much experience in that area. And how they bonded over the his superhero drawings - he trying in little ways to impress her, she noticing that they all looked like him and she later apologizing for something she'd done with a cartoon drawing of her own.
If Jane is indeed dead, this might tear Jesse up more than any of the other tragedies he's been faced with..
i agree rockmama. I never particularly liked jane's character but was touched by her relationship with Jesse in the beginning. Remember when she reached out for his hand when his TV was "searching" for a satellite signal....kind of like they were two souls 'searching" for love? Sadly, the darkess in Jane took over and she introduced Jesse to that damn needle. Jesse is far, far better off without her. He will carry the pain of losing her with him for a long, long time though.....most likely for the rest of his life. I know I am forver chnaged by losing my husband the same way. The pain was indescribable. It is still there but I jave learned to be thankful for the time I did have with him and have a far greater appreciation of love now and just how precious it is.
Some compassion for the screwed up people in the world doesn't hurt. No one can really save another person from themself - it's pretty much the individual's choice and commitment. That's why Jane's father couldn't really save her. Sure, you can be empathetic, supportive, and loving, but it's their work. Donald could've held Jane's hand through countless NA meetings, micro-monitored her life, done a zillion drug tests - it still had to be Jane's work, struggle, and commitment. I thought Donald's commitment to loving her, supporting her, and still trying, after a decade, was pretty admirable in a losing battle. He never lost his hope. Sadly, for Jane, she never got a strong enough grasp on conquering her demons, and lost the battle.
skottey I liked the question you posed to the group:
What would you do in Walt's position when Jane was choking?"
It is hard to guesstimate that about yourself. Having been in a couple with all 3 parents, first response is usually utter panic (unless you're some kind of medical professional) - like having your heart go right out of your chest. The next second is instinctive - you try to do something, anything - whether CPR, resuscitation, oxygen or morphine. So, Walt's first response of panic, movement seemed normal to me. But, boy, that next second of pausing/watching was decisive. You usually only have about a minute to respond when someone's on the verge of death. He made that decision all in the space of one minute, I think.
So, who is the Phoenix?
3 hours away here...
These are all just wild guesses of course, but.....
We could take it by the literal meaning of (one of the characters--in this episode) "rising from the ashes" of whatever is about to happen
Or the writers might mean something metaphorical
(they have been good at that all season--metaphors)
Or it might be the city OF Phoenix, Arizona?
(Perhaps Gus' distribution warehouse?)
considering the name of the next eps.... makes sense
1 hour and 47 minutes...Jesse don't do it....come back to the light.
The count-down, before this new episode begins!!!
Everybody have their box of tissues handy?
=(
you know it's going down in a big way tonight. Although i fear for jesse's future i want to point out that at no point has he been shady in any way with the money. A partner is a partner and if walt breaks the code, he deserves retribution. anyways, we'll see.
My hope is that it is Heisenberg rising from the ashes of Walt. Hopefully we will finally get a catalyst agent to make the final transition. Just my hope. 1 hour 15 to go :(
Diksee - I hope there's no reason for tissues!
Went to my first AA meeting today. Saw my daughter in rehab. I feel bad that we had to send her to rehab in the middle of the season and she's a big BB fan too. =(
1 hr 10 minutes....
what is ep. 13 titled?
One hour to go, yo!!!
Uncle Jesse (love your name!): Episode 13 is titled ABQ.
Jesse will rise from the ashes my friends........cheeeers
00:25:00 and counting......
15 minutes and counting. Phoenix, the city maybe, but the glorious bird that burns up and then rises up from the ashes? I can't wait. Why oh why is Sunday night always the night the kid won't go to bed on time??? I'm rushing to get him to go to sleep so I can relax and get my fix with BB.
15 minutes and counting. Phoenix, the city maybe, but the glorious bird that burns up and then rises up from the ashes? I can't wait. Why oh why is Sunday night always the night the kid won't go to bed on time??? I'm rushing to get him to go to sleep so I can relax and get my fix with BB.
save walter white indeed..
If anyone in the east coast could give those of us in the west a quick recap of the first 10 minutes, that would be bomb yo.
Kafka, Bill W has been a good friend of mine for the the past 4 years. I love this show, but theres nothing greater than a good meeting. Keep comming back, it works if you work it so work it couse shes worth it.
For one thing, funny how Sky whispers (just like her Happy Birthday song) goodbye to Ted from her hospital bed - as he was leaving after Walt arrived.
That is, after Ted drove her to the hospital during her labor. So nice and caring of him to hang around till her husband got there, yo. Uh, yeah
WHAT HAPPENED!
hahahahahaha that was the best ending ever!
kick ass
At least we know the name of one person who won't be in those white body bags!
man that was pretty good! sorry, but y'all on the west will have to wait. i don't wanna spoil it for ya!
Wow, just crazy... Jane dies and Walt watched her... Did she have a seizure or just choke to death? I think Walt could've saved her but figured it'd be better off with her gone for Jesse's sake. Walt really does have a heart and cares of Jesse. He thinks of him as family... I really didn't expect Jane to go out so quickly.
hint: Bon Scott........
I said last week that I think that Skylar and Jesse would be in the body bags... Maybe Jesse and Hank? Jane is dead now. Great EPISODE! I love this show. What everyone else think? I would not have givin the money to Jesse. It's good that Jane died, for real. I was hateing her so bad through the whole episode. It's sad about Jane's Dad though... he's a good man and it's crazy he and Walt crossed paths before anything happened. That's going to become something down the road. If Skylar doesn't die (probably wont), then there will be something going on with Ted. Only one more episode to go! :( What's up my BB peeps?
BTW, if you don't want to be spoiled, don't be reading the thread about this episode yet.
Sorry if I ruined it for you.
Who O.D.ed? Cant be Jesse..cant be
that was a great episode saul is a genius embezzleing the money in the whites family fund and the part with janes dad coming in and figureing it all out i also liked the part where walt talked to janes dad at the bar and its funny how two people who dont even relize they are linked in fate because walt later kills his daughter it was well wrote the season finale looks good to and it explains the body bags and bodies near the pool but the only thing i wonder is if walt will clean his prints off the needle and door because if he dont hes in a world of fucked so to say good job on the show
I definitely didn't see it come it coming, I thought it'd be too obvious for Jane to be the one to die, but by the time she was threatening Walt I WANTED her gone. That moment at the end I was damn near screaming at the TV: "LET HER FUCKING DIE." My adrenaline is still up there hahaha.
I dont know what im gonna do when the season ends, how long will we have to wait for season 3!?
"hint: Bon Scott..."
...and Jimi Hendrix. I didn't know that John DeLancie was Eugene Bradford on "Days of Our Lives." I really liked "High Tides and Green Grass" by the Outlaws during the bar scene. Awesome tunes.
Skyler still thinks Walt is stepping out on her? Did any of you catch her cellphone comment on the previews? Next weeks going to be awesome.
Gotta go. Getting up at 0300 to go fishing.
Crazy ending.....
Walt's prints are on that needle.... any chance that's going to come back at him????
Yeah, Walt's instinct was to help Jane, but he reconsidered - he weighed the advantageous impact of her demise.
Heisenberg rising ! Didn't take him long to decide whether to help Jane or NOT ! He sure likes it when problems solve themselves eh? (Yes I'm Canadian) Jane, the skank, gets what she earns and deserves. This leaves hope for Jesse, if he can get over her without going od himself. Maybe he'll see the light and pee in the jar.
Heisenberg's problem with the money solves itself too when his son unknowingly gives him the perfect answer to laundering the money. A charity website! With his picture plastered all over the web. Love the irony of that one.
Also love the money he can't launder, being hidden in the walls of the LAUNDRY ROOM ! Vince, your writers are killing me!
Skylar singing daddy's gonna buy you a __________(fill in the blank) rofl.
Walt and Jane's Dad meeting in the bar discussing the trials of family members with problems? You gotta be kidding. This episode just didn't quit. You knew somebody was going to die, but the dark side jokes were just coming and coming... it was great. I can't wait until next week.
---- SPOILER ALERT ----
I think Walt caused Jane's death when she got pushed while he was shaking Jesse. Remember earlier when Jane told Jesse he needs to be on his side, not on his back, in case he throws up after injecting himself with heroin?
It also seemed that Walt was starting to help her but then he stopped... but I am not sure if he actually could do anything for her. It did seem that he felt very sorry when he was watching her coughing.
Anyway that's one element out of the equation, and it looks like things will be a little less complicated for him now.
Wow! Great episode. I have to say that Jesse's girl got way to far up in the middle of his business....but i did not expect her to die... i hope they dont leave us hangin on who is in the body bags. This show is awsome A++
Look people... if you havn't seen the show yet, stay off this board. Jesse I think is going to self destruct because of what happened to Jane... he is like a little kid (like when jane put the pillow behind Jesse after Walt put the towel behind his newborn daughter). I love this show and I AM going to go through withdraws BIG TIME when this show was over... I wish it was year round!
matt, a description of ones destination does not change the path.....bring on the spoilers
To slipperyduke:
They're not gonna be checking for prints, she choked to death on her own vomit caused by the heroin she was using. This kind of things happens, ALL THE TIME. There won't be any need for a criminal investigation. She's dead, she was clearly doing heroin, it's there cut and clear.
Also, for fuckssake learn to write a proper sentence, that was painful to read.
Just watching next week's sneak peek... She take's Walts glasses when he is prepping for surgery... So that can explain why his glasses have been in the *explosion* scene that showed up at the previous episodes without Walt ending up in a body bag.
Also, Walt's messed up on the painkillers before surgery and admits he has more than one cell phone to skylar... She's going to be doing some snooping and if she confides that to Marie, who tells Hank, and if they find the phone/get the records of Walt calling Pinkman a lot... Their asses aren't in the clear here.
I think savewaltwhite.com is the next challenge Walt will face. His picture and name are on the internet, along with the rest of his family. It also looks that he will be on the TV after they interview the family about the website. Will anyone recognize him and know the true identity of Heisenberg???
Dang. That was the saddest episode yet. Great though. I wonder how this makes other people feel, with respect to how you feel towards Walt. Personally, this makes me like Walt more. This episode showed both how caring, and how cold he can be. It depends on how you felt about Jane, I guess.
To Mr.White340
She definitely choked to death on her own vomit. I was actually pretty surprised Walt let her die.. The last episode will probably focus on Jesse and Walters relationship.
The best episode yet! Major props to Bryan C and the final scene. Wasn't expecting that...
OMG!! Kid Rock aka Bob Ritchie was great, at the rehab meeting!! Rock on!
Im surprised at some of the comments saying you wanted her to die.
I cried when she died. I have never cried watching a tv show. Ever.
To Mr.White340
She definitely choked to death on her own vomit. I was actually pretty surprised Walt let her die.. The last episode will probably focus on Jesse and Walters relationship.
Killa Carn, good call on the parallel with Walt putting a towel behind his daughter's back and Jane putting a pillow behing Jesse's back so they don's aspirate if they "spit up".
Looks like next episode has that bear again, maybe we will finally find out whos in the body bag, then again they could just keep the story going.
MrWhite340. Reading what you last posted makes a lot of sense. There is not going to be any finger print mishaps from the heroin needle it wouldn't make sense. It's going to be a long bumpy road for Walt. I could see Hank ending up in one of the body bags because he realy might start to catch on to what Walt is doing. Jesse and Hank are the 2 I'm going to go with in the body bags... I hope I'm wrong because that wouldn't be a suprise. This episode is TOP 2 out of the entire series. AMAZING STORY. Great thread!
Walt did not kill Jane. He didn't help her either - probably could've flipped her over just in time to save her, but...... then the word "blackmail" probably came to mind, yo.
Too bad really, I really liked this show until the last two episodes. Now they have turned the two main characters into people that I no longer care about or root for. Jesse was was a sympathetic character until he dragged his girlfriend down junkie lane and Walt was a great character until he just sat there and watched her die without trying to save her at all. Don't give me any crap that he was trying to save Jesse or himself by letting her die either. This was a bad writing decision. I need a reason to care about these people, otherwise its just a story about a drug dealer and a junkie. These things happen some times. The Riches went to hell too quickly as well.
My guess to the season finally. West coasters, look away!
Its hard to get away with someone dying in your home, especially when the person is your landlord.
Jesse will have to call the police.
This leads to shit tons of problems for Walt.
There may be a wee bit o the "blue stuff" in his house, and there is most likely still a few messages on his phone. Not to mention Walt picked up the needle, with his bare hands.
A police investigation would place him at the scene, and since it would involve drugs it would involve the DEA. And with the DEA comes Hank, recognizing the voice on the messages automatically.
Too long; didn't read:
The event of Jane's death will have to be reported to police, and they will take the drugs as evidence. They will see a connection between the meth in the house and "Heisenberg" and he will have no way to avoid ratting out Walt. Not to mention they probably have Walts fingerprints on the needle and the backdoor knob, and possibly have his voice on the answering machine, which Hank would recognize.
Game over.
Awesome episode. Comming from a long-time former heroin addict, It was pretty realistic. This show makes me want to puke and cum at the same time, I can't stop watching It.
Wow i thought at first Walt was going to save her! but i see why he had to do that... She did kind of put herself in that position. And was way to deep into knowing about EVERYTHING as she put it... She had no clue about the relationship between Walt and Jesse not to mention everything those two went through together. Only one episode left i hope they don't leave us hanging on who is in the two body bags. Great show A++
Jesse says "Why don't you have computers and shit in here?It's the 20th century!"
i was actually hoping he would do the right thing and save her. Jesse will definitely be facing charges as it happened in his house, not to mention her father's vendetta. An eye for an eye seems right. Having seen walt's face, maybe he's the cause of the bodybags?
Greatest episode yet. Emmys for Saul, Jesse, and Heisenberg. I cant wait for next week. I would like to type more but I need to rewatch the episode. I hope everyone on the cast and crew know how much we appreciate this high calibre entertainment. If any of you ever get around to reading this, congrats. It is of the highest quality. Pure as crystal, i hope this show ends properly before it "Breaks Bad".
Btw, thank god Jane Is dead. Maybe Jesse still has a chance.
All of a sudden, Jane doesn't look so appealing any more.
Jesse sure gets his ire up when he meets up with Mr White in the classroom. Blaming Walt for letting him worry all day about loosing the stuff when he knew what had happened. I truly think he surprised Walt when he threw the beaker at him. That's the strongest spine he's shown in a long time. Walt's starting to think like Gus though, that he can never trust a junkie. Or is he feeling paternal to Jesse now that he's a dad again and doing the paternal thing at home? When Jane first gets her mitts on the money it's Me ME Me, and it takes a bit before she starts using We in the plans. You had to know the plan to get clean first wouldn't last. I think Walt really did care about Jesse or he wouldn't have gone back to the house to check on him.
Afterimage:
If I was Walt I would spend a few minutes before leaving making sure there are no evidence in the house. He may do that.
I'm proud of Walt for letting Jane perish. Initially I was really feeling her character, when she pulled that blackmail on Walt I honestly thought he was going to have her killed. I guess it worked out for the best, I couldn't stand her. As far as the body bags go, I say Hank & Gretchen... I know it's kind of a stretch that the both of them are together to get murdered, but I can see Hank catching on to what Walt is doing and Gretchen already knows too much.... Great episode Good Bye Jane :)
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Hank hearing Walt's voice on the answering machine... YES! Sounds about right ;) Good call AfterImage. Man this show is great. Also, the one who said that the show is over because they don't like the main characters anymore... The drug dealing and murder that came before this should have done it for you.
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Afterimage:
Your assessment about jesse calling the police is flat out wrong. The sneak preview clearly shows an Agent of Saul's showing up to take care of the whole mess. Jesse calls Walt in it, and Walt says hell take care of it. Walt will then call Saul and they make the body disappear. She ran off with her dealer ;) I dont know where Jane went.
What Jane was doing to herself, her father, and to Jesse is all wrong, but I do sympathize with her character. Her demons are in control of her life though. I felt really bad for her. But I strongly disagree with anyone saying that Walt is responsible for her death. Yes, Walt did not come to her rescue, but he also did not put the needle in her arm. It is tragic but her story happens all the time... She choked on her vomit while high and unconscious.
The way that I see things work out. I think Jane's father will be out for revenge on Jesse. He will put a lot of heat on Jesse and it will result in it affecting Walt in some way. I really don't think Walt will die. I also don't think Jesse will either. This show won't be the same with out Jesse. I think it will be Jane's dad and maybe Saul who will be in the bags.
I really liked Jane until the last couple episodes, Good riddance, way to go gracefully. The bear with the missing eye is driving me crazy for some reason, I hope we don't have to wait till next season to find out about it. Superb episode, as always, this week. walt shouldn't worry about the fingerprints on the heroin needle, I'm sure Jesse will get rid of everything before investigators arrive.
Jesse sure gets his ire up when he meets up with Mr White in the classroom. Blaming Walt for letting him worry all day about loosing the stuff when he knew what had happened. I truly think he surprised Walt when he threw the beaker at him. That's the strongest spine he's shown in a long time. Walt's starting to think like Gus though, that he can never trust a junkie. Or is he feeling paternal to Jesse now that he's a dad again and doing the paternal thing at home? When Jane first gets her mitts on the money it's Me ME Me, and it takes a bit before she starts using We in the plans. You had to know the plan to get clean first wouldn't last. I think Walt really did care about Jesse or he wouldn't have gone back to the house to check on him.
All of a sudden , Jane doesnt look so appealing any more.
All's I'm gonna say, at this time, is:
This was a heart-warming, yet, at the same time...horrendeously heart-breaking episode. =(
That website Walt Jr. set up with Walt's name and picture plastered all over it willcome back to haunt him.
Jane is dead! As Afterimage just wrote above, her death in Jesse's bed will cause a huge world of shit with Walt and Jesse, especially when her Old Man finds out! WooooHooooo! This last episode is gonna be something else! That'd be ultra-cool if it was a 2 hour finale!!
I knew that when Walt shook Jesse that there was something wrong with Jane by the way she just flopped over. She had just ODed because they were celebrating and they wanted to use the last of the heroin before they went clean. Jane eventually choked on her own vomit. As Walt was freaking out because he had decided to let her die, I was applauding, "I FUCKING LOVE THIS SHOW!" LMAO. No really, it's the only show I watch on t.v. that I CAN NOT MISS.
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I ultimately think Jane was a good person that made bad choices. I think she honestly cared for Jesse after the last two episodes. She knows they need to get clean but drugs are always taunting addicts. I don't like how everybody *hates* Jane. Yah she got into their business but she wasn't hateful about it. She admitted she wouldn't actually snitch on Walt to Jesse.
Hey, whoever guessed that www.savewalterwhite.com was a real website--- great call! That's awesome.
Anyways, I was being pulled it two directions on this one. I was actually sad for Jane, but she was probably going to be a goner, sooner or later, one way or another. Now it's a question of how Jesse copes. This could either snap him back into the real world, or he could go bat shit crazy. We'll see.
Sorry about the double postings guys, laptop is acting up.
I think all of you who think jesse is going to contact the police are missing the sneak peaks clues. Walt gets Saul to get some muscle to take care of the body. No police.
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Good call, I'm with you on that prediction. Walt is like a father to Jesse and he'll be the first one he calls when he wakes up and "doesn't know what to do." Saul's agent taking care of the 'dirty business,' most definitely.
Unless I've missed it no one has mentioned the pink teddy bear in the motel parking lot. I'm sure there would a pool in that tacky mid-century Motel complex. This got me to thinking that Walt would transport Jane's body and dump it there. However, I've yet to figure out who'd be corpse #2. Here's a wild guess...SAUL!!
Was that or was that not Kid Rock at the rehab place?
"I ultimately think Jane was a good person that made bad choices. I think she honestly cared for Jesse after the last two episodes. She knows they need to get clean but drugs are always taunting addicts. I don't like how everybody *hates* Jane. Yah she got into their business but she wasn't hateful about it. She admitted she wouldn't actually snitch on Walt to Jesse.
" -MrWhite340
I agree completely MrWhite.
People seem to have very little empathy for her. Yes she's a fuck-up, but that should only make you feel even more bad for her....not hate her.
I was truely saddened when I saw her die.
I would think that Jesse would remove/destroy/flush any and all evidence before calling the authorites. In his panic, He would probably not think to delete his answering machines mesages, though.
Saul is the man, as is Walt. Now I have this possible arch in the story of Walt getting Saul to take care of Jane. That's what so great about this show! Keeps me on my toes all week and Sunday never comes fast enough!
Psyclon-B, it could be janes Dad. After that talk in the bar he may go over to see her the next day while they are cleaning up the body. Remember his comments in the bar about training the new recruits and they will hire anybody... this could be a big spoiler but i think Janes Dad is CIA!
savewalterwhite.com is real and it's great. make donations if you can. not everyone with cancer can sling dope to pay for medical bills.
Has anyone gone to the site yet?
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Yeah, I noticed Walt turned the baby on it's side, and then Jane did the same for Jesse. She got what was coming to her.
I thought for sure she was duping Jesse into getting high, then taking off with the loot. I thought Walt was going to catch her in the action. So do you think Walt takes the money for Jesse's sake? I'm thinking not, because Jesse would have known he was there.
If Jane's dad was the CIA would hew need to call the police? Wouldn't he just call his CIA buddies on Jesse? Anyway, I think that maybe Jane was in the body bag in Walt's car and the other body bag is someone else who was at Walt's house... maybe Jane's Dad? or Jesse? I'm so pumped up still about this episode!
jane's dad was planning on taking her to rehab first thing in the morning. There's not gonna be time to fix the problem. There's gonna be hell to pay
OK one other observation although it's probably way off base. In next week's preview they show a man walking up to Jesse, while he's sitting on his front steps, saying something about being sent by so and so (can't remember specifics). With the quick view I had it looked like/sounded like Hank.
I need to rethink who'll be corpse #2...maybe it'll be Hank, but of course it could be Jane's Dad because if he doesn't die he will be another BIG problem for both Jesse and Walt. Then again Eugene Bradford would be a great cast member next season.
WOW! I thought Walt was going to turn Jane over when she started choking, then she would be indebted to him for saving her life. But I think he remembered "you can't trust a junkie." Jane was just getting in the way too much. Walt does really have fatherly feelings for Jessie, and it is really upsetting him to see him using the hard stuff. I love that he was going to make him pee in a cup before he gave him the cash.
Can't wait until the finale! I hope it's more than 1 hour long. We've got lots of things to cover.
ADEL YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!
WHY ARE YOU POSTING SPOILERS IN HERE...NOW I CANT EVEN READ PAST YOUR RETARDED POST BECAUSE SOMEONE MAY RESPOND TO YOUR POST!
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO STUPID? I WISH I COULD SLAP YOU, YOU DUMBASS...WTF PEOPLE IF I WANT A SPOILER ILL READ THE WEB
SO STFU!!!
LOL my wife said the same thing about Kid Rock!! So is dead Janes Daddy Q in the policia, FBI, or what? Did anyone catch that comment he made while having lunch with Jane about training? Oh well, I'll guess he's gonna get some off time now lol.
Hysterical, Jesse saying he could be a bush pilot!
Hysterical, Jesse saying he could be a bush pilot! (when he and Jane start their new live in New Zealand.)
Jesse says You can paint the castles and shit! And I can be a bush pilot! LMATFO!! He was saying all the funny shit in this episode!
Wow! What an amazing episode! I just sat there stunned as Walt let her choke. Kinda sad about it considering I enjoyed looking at her nice bum!
For all the folks saying Walter is in trouble, yeah maybe, but not really.
1. Jesse surely would have deleted the messages.
2. There is no more "Big Blue" in the house. Maybe a small amount Jesse and Jane were using with the heroin, but not enough to matter. Jesse could have gotten it anywhere.
3. Nobody knows Walter and Jesse have a partnership outside of a few people. Walt and Jesse know, they ain't talking. Tuco's dad or granddad or whomever knows, and he didn't rat them out and coincidentally, he can't talk. Mr. Gustavo who bought the drugs from Walt knows, I doubt he's squealing. Saul, their lawyer/money launderer knows, he ain't talking.
So, if the cops even did bother to run prints off that needle (which they wouldn't), they wouldn't know who they belonged to. I doubt Walter is in a national database of criminals. So, the cops have no way to connect Walt to Jesse.
4. Why would Jesse tell the cops anything if they were hassling him? At worst he catches a case for possession of a controlled substance if they find her and the drugs in his apartment. If he tells them all about him and Walter, he's looking at going away for life. It wouldn't make sense.
This is of course assuming that Walter didn't go ahead and get rid of the body. He's already got experience in that field, or did we all forget about Crazy 8 already?
The only thing Walt has to worry about is Skylar hounding him about his cell phones and his son's website. Not that anyone knows about Walter dealing drugs anyway. Maybe someone that saw him at Tuco's could put 2 and 2 together? Past that, he's clean.
Obviously, something happens to have his car looking all shot up and for two body bags to be in his driveway. Still, I just don't think it's anything you guys are coming up with.
I honestly thought Jane was one of the bodies in the bags. Since that's obviously not the case. . .I'm thinking Hank/Marie. To be truthful, I have no idea at this point. Which is why this show is so F'ing awesome. Usually I'd have it pegged already, but with this I just don't know.
Wow! What an amazing episode! I just sat there stunned as Walt let her choke. Kinda sad about it considering I enjoyed looking at her nice bum!
For all the folks saying Walter is in trouble, yeah maybe, but not really.
1. Jesse surely would have deleted the messages.
2. There is no more "Big Blue" in the house. Maybe a small amount Jesse and Jane were using with the heroin, but not enough to matter. Jesse could have gotten it anywhere.
3. Nobody knows Walter and Jesse have a partnership outside of a few people. Walt and Jesse know, they ain't talking. Tuco's dad or granddad or whomever knows, and he didn't rat them out and coincidentally, he can't talk. Mr. Gustavo who bought the drugs from Walt knows, I doubt he's squealing. Saul, their lawyer/money launderer knows, he ain't talking.
So, if the cops even did bother to run prints off that needle (which they wouldn't), they wouldn't know who they belonged to. I doubt Walter is in a national database of criminals. So, the cops have no way to connect Walt to Jesse.
4. Why would Jesse tell the cops anything if they were hassling him? At worst he catches a case for possession of a controlled substance if they find her and the drugs in his apartment. If he tells them all about him and Walter, he's looking at going away for life. It wouldn't make sense.
This is of course assuming that Walter didn't go ahead and get rid of the body. He's already got experience in that field, or did we all forget about Crazy 8 already?
The only thing Walt has to worry about is Skylar hounding him about his cell phones and his son's website. Not that anyone knows about Walter dealing drugs anyway. Maybe someone that saw him at Tuco's could put 2 and 2 together? Past that, he's clean.
Obviously, something happens to have his car looking all shot up and for two body bags to be in his driveway. Still, I just don't think it's anything you guys are coming up with.
I honestly thought Jane was one of the bodies in the bags. Since that's obviously not the case. . .I'm thinking Hank/Marie. To be truthful, I have no idea at this point. Which is why this show is so F'ing awesome. Usually I'd have it pegged already, but with this I just don't know.
Come to think of it, if jane's dad does show up to take her to rehab, he'll definitely be in the other bodybag. That's where Saul's agent comes in to take the corpses away.
Bodybags: Jane and her father.
One more episode left (at least this season)
I almost never have anything negative to say about this show but the character of Jane really irks me. At first we see her as clean and enjoying her recovery. I know that people will point out "Why did she let Jesse rent there in the first place" but I think she was just attracted to the "bad-boy" type not secretly longing for crystal myth.
Then magically Ms. Prim and Proper transitions into a heroin dope fiend skank. For a character who I thought would really b*tch slap Jesse with some sense she turns into Ms. "You can never recover from drugs ever, even with tons of therapy and rehab." I'm glad that Walt let her die. You mess with the bull you get the horns (Don't blackmail Heisenberg!)
I know this may sound really immoral and evil but was anyone else looking at the needle and thinking about trying to make Jesse have an OD. The needle was probably empty though. I'm sure if he looked around he could have found some way to do the trick. (Plastic bag over the face, painkillers, etc.) With the two out of the way he could have all the money. Unfortunately, I don't think Walt has the cajones to do it. (stupid morality)
I felt so bad for Jane's father. He seems to have done everything and he ends up with a blackmailing fiend junkie. Saul is great as always. ZOMBIES! Hank is always a great addition. Can't wait for the finale.
Whoa BBisAWESOME! You like caps? ANyway, its a board about what has happened on the show and what might happen. Nobody KNOWS what will happen next week unless they were in direct contact with the making of the show... which I would think would be illegal to all employees involved with this great show. I would have to say that it makes the most sense that Jane's dad will arrive first at the house... maybe Jesse opens the door for him or freaks out and tries to think of something like "She's not here."
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LMAO! I just linked savewalterwhite.com on my myspace page w/his pic as a link LOL!
Jesse will panic in the wake of it all when Janes dad shows up, remember that .357 from the beginning of the season? He'll shoot him.
Wow! What an amazing episode! I just sat there stunned as Walt let her choke. Kinda sad about it considering I enjoyed looking at her nice bum!
For all the folks saying Walter is in trouble, yeah maybe, but not really.
1. Jesse surely would have deleted the messages.
2. There is no more "Big Blue" in the house. Maybe a small amount Jesse and Jane were using with the heroin, but not enough to matter. Jesse could have gotten it anywhere.
3. Nobody knows Walter and Jesse have a partnership outside of a few people. Walt and Jesse know, they ain't talking. Tuco's dad or granddad or whomever knows, and he didn't rat them out and coincidentally, he can't talk. Mr. Gustavo who bought the drugs from Walt knows, I doubt he's squealing. Saul, their lawyer/money launderer knows, he ain't talking.
So, if the cops even did bother to run prints off that needle (which they wouldn't), they wouldn't know who they belonged to. I doubt Walter is in a national database of criminals. So, the cops have no way to connect Walt to Jesse.
4. Why would Jesse tell the cops anything if they were hassling him? At worst he catches a case for possession of a controlled substance if they find her and the drugs in his apartment. If he tells them all about him and Walter, he's looking at going away for life. It wouldn't make sense.
This is of course assuming that Walter didn't go ahead and get rid of the body. He's already got experience in that field, or did we all forget about Crazy 8 already?
The only thing Walt has to worry about is Skylar hounding him about his cell phones and his son's website. Not that anyone knows about Walter dealing drugs anyway. Maybe someone that saw him at Tuco's could put 2 and 2 together? Past that, he's clean.
Obviously, something happens to have his car looking all shot up and for two body bags to be in his driveway. Still, I just don't think it's anything you guys are coming up with.
I honestly thought Jane was one of the bodies in the bags. Since that's obviously not the case. . .I'm thinking Hank/Marie. To be truthful, I have no idea at this point. Which is why this show is so F'ing awesome. Usually I'd have it pegged already, but with this I just don't know.
Did no one notice the guy sitting in the both at the bar?
This is the same guy who told Walt in Gus's restaurant where to meet for the deal, and if Walt doesn't show "not to show his face ever again".
Does this mean Gus is having every move Walt makes watched or what!?!?! Could it have been a coincidence?
To Soko- yeah he could have used an empty needle ,veins and air are a bad combo.
Letting Jane die reminded me of Tony Soprano facilitating Christopher's death....problem solved.
Kickass!! man I love this show I hate waiting for season 3!!
BBisAWESOME:
There are dozens of posts in this thread with spoilers, and mine is not the first one. Mine, however, is the only one so far who has a spoiler alert. In addition, I wasn't going to post any spoilers until I saw everyone else doing that.
Maybe Jesse ends up killing Jane's Father after Jane's Father shows up and freaks out and attacks Jesse. He said family is what makes everything worth it, it's all anyone really has. Then Saul sends some dudes to clean up the 2 bodies.... yet another possibility.
"If Jane's dad was the CIA would hew need to call the police? Wouldn't he just call his CIA buddies on Jesse? Anyway, I think that maybe Jane was in the body bag in Walt's car and the other body bag is someone else who was at Walt's house... maybe Jane's Dad? or Jesse? I'm so pumped up still about this episode!"
I don't think CIA handles nor cares about a little drug bust so I have a suspicion that Jane's dad does have some sort of government/law enforcement role and his daughter ending up dead with everything that happened that day... I think Jesse will be put under the microscope as Donald will attribute Jane's death to Jesse.
Dont worry Adel, BB is so awesome he forgot he is on the web LMAO
Whatever ADEL....if your posting something that was in the preview for the next show then its not a spoiler and you shouldn't label it as so.
If your labeling spoiler then I'm assuming your reading to much on the web and tv guide and finding information that others don't know. If your doing this then STOP.
If your just writing whats in the preview, stop labeling it spoiler...
Excellent episode.
Does anyone have thoughts on the significance of the Phoenix Mars Lander discovering water on Mars?
The scene where he brings his new daughter to see the cash was compelling. It seemed to signify that Walt's disease (tragic downfall) is now greed and not the cancer and it also paralleled the enabling relationship between Jane's father and Jane.
The end seen reminded me of when Tony Soprano choked junkie Christopher.
The preview has someone coming up to jesse saying "saul sent me"
Watching the previews for next week again, I gotta wonder, where is Walt in the scene with the graffiti'd wall behind him? Walt let jane die to save jesse and he'll take that to his grave I think, no reason for jesse to ever find out.
UDO your an idiot. Yes this is the web, but I didn't think you would be anal about semantics.
By Web I meant surfing google for "Breaking Bad" and trying to hunt down info.
Retard....some people are dumb...you are an excellent example....
Yeah, I don't know much abou the CIA or law enforcement in general... I hate the feds... (I smoke pot and getting busted for it while people are getting raped or murdered makes no sense). So yes, it is a possibility that Jane's Father is a fed. So if he is..... he sucks. ;)
There is a fine line when creating a sympathetic character. Sympathetic does not mean perfect by any means. We can root for characters despite their flaws and mistakes. For me, when Walt watches her die without lifting a finger he crosses the line from being sympathetic to being a despicable person. Jesse is just a less interesting character as a non functional heroin addict. I am caring about him less and less.
I labeled it spoiler because at that time, the people in the West Coast had not seen the episode yet. So to some people, it is considered a spoiler.
LMAO twice as hard now, get a life or get a job BB, whichever mommy will let you get first. LMAO!!!....that makes three times now.
BBisAWESOME:
Don't you think you're being immature and obnoxious? The name calling, the excessive exclamation points... what are you, 10 years old? You like typing with the caps lock key on but couldn't read the capitalized warning in his/her message: "---- SPOILER ALERT ----"
If you don't want to read spoilers, you move on to the next post. If the next post looks like it may address AdeL77, you move on to the next one.
Also, his/her post (the one with the "---- SPOILER ALERT ----") was about events in this episode, which he/she has every right to discuss. It is your fault for reading posts in this thread before watching the entire episode.
Finally, discussion of the AMC preview of the next episode does not spoil anything.
HAHA, couldn't stop laughing when she died. Christ, she had it coming though! I mean it was all she could do... claw for the money and talk about it at every scene she was in, as if she has any right to it! When he said 480 thou and fell on the bed you could see the machinations of greed turn over in her mind. God, I'm glad that cunt is dead.
Walt cried for himself and what lows he's had to endure to protect his family... this repugnant death of a disgusting soul was likely one of his toughest moments yet. Somehow though, the finale previews make this episode look like the calm before the storm.
I think that the reporting covering him on local TV (at the least) is going to give him a helluva lot of unneeded attention. I wonder who will start showing up at his door now...
Hello, new to the forum.. I also checked out savewalterwhite.com to see if it would actually exist. The part where it say "He likes to cook
because of chemistry - he mostly makes breakfast" is pretty funny. I had to read it twice because it through me off for a second. Clever.
walt is now responsible either directly or indirectly for at least 6 deaths. Emelio, Crazy 8, Spooge, Tuco, Combo, and now Jane. Admittedly, most of these characters are dirtbags, but if there's any humanity left it's got to be struggling, especially with two more waiting in the wings. Good luck sleeping at night.
barlow,
I don't think Walt was being despicable.
He's a very cautious person, and has his priorities.
His family with his new addition, and his reputation.
He knows nothing of Jane, other than she is black mailing him. He also asked, "How do I know you won't talk", and she said "You don't". She's a black mailing junkie who could bring down everything around him. She's also bad for Jesse, so what would Walt gain in saving her?
She's the biggest risk, and the problem just worked itself out.
bigfreakinnaz...Yes, that was Kid Rock!
kafka God Bless you & your daughter! Am going to keep ya'll, in my/our prayers! Hugs!
I think that the reporter covering him on local TV (at the least) is going to give him a helluva lot of unneeded attention. I wonder who will start showing up at his door now...
UDO, glad I can make you laugh.
Odds are I have a better job than you and an income your mom wished you could have. My life is fine and I enjoy living everyday.
It's unfortunate you make yourself feel better through the internet but hey to each his own.
Odds are also that I'm older than you, and no I don't find it immature to call people retarded when they give me reason to believe that is what they are.
I'm sorry I use exclamation points. Obviously you don't understand punctuation and why it's used. The caps lock was for one post to grab attention.
Now that I'm done responding and wasting my time to explain myself.........
No one noticed the guy in the bar at the booth when Walter entered ?
I think Jane's dad will turn out to be CIA working undercover as an embedded distributer in the mexican drug cartel shadowing Heisenberg, and in an ultimate irony it will be revealed that he was originally a New Zealand national who grew up in Auckland as a teenage bush pilot.
The bodybags will contain the corpses of Tio and Jessie's mom, who were secretly having an affair.
Lol @ BBisAWESOME! Dude, I can see you as being a complete prick who nobody like because he thinks he is better than everyone else. LOL! Ok everyone... we are here to talk about Breaking Bad. Not to bust eachother's balls!
Killa Cam! For your convenience!
Walter White is the Phoenix, he is reborn in this episode. Walter is a conflicted man, but his old compassionate side exploded and poured out all over the place. He even opened up to a complete stranger, none other than Jane's Dad. I liked the way they used the Outlaws song in the bar scene, nice touch there.
ROSELAVETS
I don't read these forums before the show. This thread is labeled "episode 12 open thread" so why would you need to place a SPOILER ALERT about something that someone would expect to see in this thread?
I didn't read his post because I was assuming it was a spoiler. A spoiler to me would be confirmed info about upcoming episodes.....
Also, I was just thinking of this.
Paypal charges 3%. So Walt's losing 15k, but I guess it's a small price to pay.
The whole "Zombie" talk wasn't very realistic.
It doesn't matter that it comes from multiple computers, paypal transactions are on a per-account basis. To process thousands of transactions, you'd have to have thousands of Paypal accounts, meaning thousands of bank accounts.
It's TV, I guess it doesn't need to be realistic :)
To Soul Laundering - watch the two meth makers Walt scared at the hardware store see the news story lol
KILLA CAM
If people don't like me because I stand up for myself and respond to ignorant statements made about me then sure I'm that person.
UDO is claiming I have no life or job and that I'm a child. None of which are true. I'm just letting it be known
Also is your name (killa cam) in respect to the name of a song written by Cam'Ron?
After thinking about it, was it absolutely clear that Jane died? I thought so when I watched the episode but I remember Vince GIllian talking about Romeo and Juliet type of relationship. Perhaps she isn't dead but just seems dead.
Hey, first time user of this forum. Everybody needs to check out savewalterwhite.com. The part where it said "He likes to cook because of chemistry - he mostly makes breakfast" is pretty funny. I had to read it twice cuz it threw me off for a second. I actually got a little teary eyed reading through the page. I know it isn't real but it's so heartfelt and got me thing about my old man. The part where it says "One thing I don't understand is why saving someone's life costs more than a regular person can pay" really got me thinking. I've never looked at it that way before. The site also directs you to a link for a cancer donation site, which I think is pretty fucking cool of them to do.
My name is Cameron so I just use Killa Cam... I guess Cam'Ron used it and I'm a poser but whatever. :) But anyway, don't let what people say get to you. I mean shit, if your the shit, then ignore that shit!
I love this show!!!!
optics, I disagree, though I appreciate where you are coming from. It seems that most people agree with you, which is good for the show. My gut reaction to the scene was that Walt's character acted cowardly and selfishly and so I am losing interest in him. Certainly they put some (not enough?) effort into making Jesse's girlfriend a villain which apparently mitigates things for viewers. For me, it just turned me off of Walt.
"Phoenix" = Walt.... Perfect.
I was REALLY hoping, Walt would end up saving Jane... =(
No your not a poser and I'm not sure what would give you the idea that's what I was trying to get at. Seems you have a preconceived disposition towards me.
Either way I apologize if I was rude. Apparently ADEL did not post a "SPOILER". At least what my definition of a spoiler is.
If someone is reading this thread without watching the show, you have no need to warn them that your going to talk about the show. Just doesn't make sense to me.
I thought you posted something confirmed about the finale or what we will see in the third season.
Walt is succumbing to his own greed and selfishness. He thinks he's acting for his family but he now lies to them without even blinking (buying diapers...). He is lost.
Did anyone else think it ironic that Walt has such disgust for heroin users? I mean, there was his self-righteous "...I'm not going to contribute to his (Jesse's) overdose" when there is no telling how many ODs of meth he has been directly responsible for.
Also, how many drinks did Jane's dad have in front of him at the bar? Is he yet another hypocrite - addicted to his drug of choice, but losing his mind over his daughter's?
I don't think Walt is greedy; after all, he DID take Jesse his due share. And neither Walt nor Jesse is malicious enough to purposefully kill anyone. Pretty sure it won't be Hank in the body bag - hoping not, I like Hank's humor.
The title of the episode relates to the Phoenix Mars Lander.
Lol. I know I'm not a poser. It was sort of a joke. I'm an optimist and I try to joke about everything, including myself.
johnnyh, Yeah he might be addicted to alcohol but it seems irrelevant to this show. Wouldn't you drink and relax after dealing with that bullshit?
To Killa Cam - "Phoenix" = Walt....good observation. To BB, the only professions that still use words such as retard and awesome are comic book dealers and overzealous law enforcement. So which slimeball catagory do you fit in? And as far as amusing myself ? Your doing all the work for me LOL.
UDO -
rotfl...come on kid. Stop it already. You jumped into something that has nothing to do with you. Your statements are unsupported just as your income is. Stop while your ahead. You've given me a great laugh and if you continue to do so I make befriend you.
BTW - I'm an engineer. May I ask your profession?
To BB- law enforcement, seriously lol
Ok guys.... seriously though. Stop this stupid e-arguing....
Maybe Ted can be in a body bag??? Curveball right there.
I donated 20 bucks to cancer... why not? I see no better cause. I may one day get cancer and I hope there are generous people out there when and if that happens.
Season 2 Finale:
"ABQ"
Skyler and Walt collide in the season finale as her frustration with his secrecy finally comes to a head. Jesse self-destructs after a personal blow, forcing Walt to come to his aid. Jane's dad Donald's grief leads to tragedy.
So, what does Jane's dad do? Get himself killed, kill someone, what could this tragedy be? It somehow involves him...and who else?
I love this show.
I'm a recovered meth addict (8 yrs/4 mos). And yes, it can be done.
Often when watching, I wondered if the writers had to walk a line between possibly "triggering" an addict and portraying the real world of cooking, dealing, addiction and death.
They have done a great job, because in my experience, the obsession was never triggered, though razor close at times; and, then a punch in the face like tonight when Jane…left.
Yeah, I cried (SO) cause I've been there, in close, and it's surprising how the pain comes back so hard.
But it's good to remember and feel; then remember and be grateful that I got out (with LOT'S OF HELP).
To BB - And your right, I dont get paid enough. Pretty good ball busting thing we had going though.I would have died if you had wrote you were a chemist lol.
I love this show.
I'm a recovered meth addict (8 yrs/4 mos). And yes, it can be done.
Often when watching, I wondered if the writers had to walk a line between possibly "triggering" an addict and portraying the real world of cooking, dealing, addiction and death.
They have done a great job, because in my experience, the obsession was never triggered, though razor close at times; and, then a punch in the face like tonight when Jane…left.
Yeah, I cried (SO) cause I've been there, in close, and it's surprising how the pain comes back so hard.
But it's good to remember and feel; then remember and be grateful that I got out (with LOT'S OF HELP).
I am glad Jane is out of the picture because with her full knowledge of the situation and being a junkie, she would have sunk Walter sooner than later. But I did like their plan to flee to New Zealand which would have take them off of Walter's back except one big obstacle and that was the transfer of actual money.
However, Jesse now have a bigger problem on his hand and that is the dead body at the scene of the crime. I am not worried about all the drugs laying around in the apartment because if the police shows up, they immediately rule Jane's death as drug overdose related and wouldn't bother go through forensic examination of whose finger print is on the needle or what not. Walter has already taken out the entire Meth. bags out of the house and even if a residue is discovered, he could still claim that he is a drug addict and had bought the product from some dealer.
Jane's father could also go haywire but I don't think he would press charges against someone who was a complicit drug user along his daughter and even if he does, Jesse would be charged with possession of illegal narcotic but nothing too serious unless he is dumb enough to call the cops and have the money bag lay around. What Walter needs to do is to convince Jesse to take a wrap for this incident, keep his money safe until he cleans up and comes out of the jail sentence that the judge will probably going to hand down to him. Meanwhile, Walter should concentrate on his cancer charity/money laundering operation, get his tumor removed and chill out for several months.
Whatever Walter does, he must make sure the cops do not catch Jesse with that amount of money or they'll connect the dots and he'll be in whole lot of trouble.
AN ARGUMENT ABOUT GOOD VS BAD
I used to watch a lot of the classic films from the seventies. Especially the cop films like the Dirty Harry films. I loved the parts when the bad guys would show up wearing their suit jackets, ties, slacks, and Sunday best shoes as if they had all called each other up at the ‘day job’ and agreed to go out to lunch. Except, instead of lunch, they’d all meet on the docks and walk around with automatic weapons and shoot up the place. Usually a group of other businessmen, but mostly cops.
Then they would shake hands (well, the survivors) and head back to work and then after that, home to the family.
And once the film was over, the audience would head for their cars and move on with their life, having gotten lost in a fictional world for a few hours.
But not me. No, I would wonder what was so bad about the day job that these thugs had to take on this side job of killing people? Like, what, did the Mob offer a gas card or some other perk they couldn’t get from the day job?
What was worth risking getting killed over?
What was worth remembering all the lies you’d have to come up with to cover your ‘other life’ to friends and family? And I would continue with my train of thought…..
Did these guys even care if they got caught? Let alone killed?
What was it that motivated them to have crossed over that grey line between good and bad?
Right and wrong?
You see. I have always wondered what it was that made someone become a “bad guy”
Personal problems? Pride? Revenge? Greed? Love?
Yeah, sure we have a few classics like The Godfather and the Sopranos. But they have seen their day and settled into history. THIS generation needs their own series and “Breaking Bad”…..IS that series.
It’s an excellent reflection on our society, such as it is today. It’s also a great exploration of what makes a good man turn to a life of crime and what he has to go through to make that happen. And currently it has been exploring what he has to do to keep up with that new lifestyle. At any cost.
Breaking Bad also has the advantage over film (which can only run two, maybe three hours max) where it can peel away all the multiple layers of problems that Walt has had during this journey, as well as explore the effect this “business” has on his family and friends
I am a little worried about a couple of folks here wondering out loud why they should keep watching since Walt is obviously changing into a man that has no sympathetic qualities to him. Why bother to keep tuning in if the main character continues to slip into the void with (seemingly) no hope of redemption or remorse?
And we shouldn’t hold it against them. This is a free country and if you don’t feel a series is giving you what you expect each week than you should be able to feel you can walk away.
Now, listen, television is a business like any other. If the viewership drops, well, AMC will have to decide if it’s worth continuing filming the show since, if not enough people are watching, then the sponsors will stop showing their product because it wouldn’t be worth spending the money week after week.
But I for one, hope that the show continues to gain new viewers, so that the viewership stats will remain stable enough during the run of the show so that it gives us a logical satisfying conclusion. I applaud AMC for their boldness in defying the odds and allowing this on the air.
It’s a nearly sure thing that even if Breaking Bad would have gotten ON the network shows, it would have been cancelled by now. We’re lucky that AMC sees some kind of long term merit in giving us such a quality production.
I love this show.
I'm a recovered meth addict (8 yrs/4 mos). And yes, it can be done.
Often when watching, I wondered if the writers had to walk a line between possibly "triggering" an addict and portraying the real world of cooking, dealing, addiction and death.
They have done a great job, because in my experience, the obsession was never triggered, though razor close at times; and, then a punch in the face like tonight when Jane…left.
Yeah, I cried (SO) cause I've been there, in close, and it's surprising how the pain comes back so hard.
But it's good to remember and feel; then remember and be grateful that I got out (with LOT'S OF HELP).
UDO:
Hopefully your in a state which has a budget surplus, otherwise you maybe included in the state's budget cuts.
Also every post you make includes "lmao" or "lol." So commenting on me using the word retarded or awesome is somewhat contradictory since kids normally over use the two.(lmao & lol)
We have both had a good laugh at each other. Now I'd like to keep this discussion on the show.
If you would like to keep bickering about nothing I will continue to assume your a kid behind that computer screen.
tuttle300, nice post. The part about the Sopranos hit home a little. I certainly enjoyed watching Tony's character even though he was clearly a "bad person". The difference I think is that they never pretended he was not a bad person. The Walt character is really very different. I think the writers have made a mistake with him.
I like how everyone predicts whats going to happen, except the show is always written so well that none are right!
matt112485: your right, usually nobody is even close to right. That is what makes this show so amazing though. I never watched Sopranos but I have a hard time believing it was anywhere close to as good as this show.
BB: Understood. So do you think this is going to end with a Sopranos anti climax or more of a Scarface resolution?
Damn the water heater...
The writing is slipping in my opinion. The acting is very good. This show is about Walt and Jesse, period! How does it make sense to turn them into characters that are unlikeable? Certainly this is a debatable stance. I suggest that Walt's action of letting Jane die (selfish, cowardly) and Jesse becoming a completely withdrawn heroin addict will contribute to viewers apathy toward the characters
Great Episode Again!!
Couple of things - What DOES Jane's Dad do? Not a cop, maybe border control - there would be lots of new hiries in that area after 911 probably with little experience (as he complained to Jane)
He didn't call the police or take Jane into rehab that very moment, that very day. I was screaming at my tv saying NO don't say ok to Janes's asking for one more day. Come on, to cancel the newspaper and water the plants?? He let her down and she would have been alive now if he had thrown her in jail/rehab. I have a similar relationship with my daughter - and I know when you do an intervention (which that kinda was - you don't let them say tomorrow. Never trust a drug addict. So Jane's death was sad for me too....but she was let down by her father.
Loved the breathless scene where Jane and Jesse discuss where they're going with the money (New Zealand - Lord of the Rings - lol). It was right out of Boogie Nights with Julien Moore and Rollergirl snorting coke and breathlessly making pie in the sky plans - will you be my mommy?
Great acting this episode
I was neither a Jane Hater nor a Jane Lover, but I was very saddened to watch her die. I was hoping that Walt would help her, and he was clearly shaken about his decision to allow her to die. Very moving scene for me, and BC did a remarkable job in that scene. His first instinct was to help her, but he was surely thinking that she was a threat to his family.
Sual: "Hey, I just found a big bag of money down by the railroad tracks."
sloe, Cranston was great in that scene! The problem is the scene itself. Who looks at a dying young girl with a perfect opportunity to save her and struggles with it? No, Walt's situation is of his own making, the act of judging her and allowing her to die when it would be so easy to save her is despicable. Despicable is fine if that is what he is. But that is not how he has been portrayed in the show up to this point. It's a mistake that could cost viewers if they decide he is not someone worth caring about.
I am a bit concerned for those of you making moral judgements on TV Characters. whats up with you?
I am glad Jane is dead! she was a character: WE WERE SUPPOSE TO WANT TO BE DEAD By half way through this episode!
SHE IS the one that brought in H and needles to Jesse! That can only lead one way....
It is a fictional TV Show with Outstanding Writing and character development,.... "YO!"
step back and remember: suspension of disbelief...
I am wrapped up in this show, i stayed up all night to catch up on season 1 dvd set! So I understand an emotional investment in this series. But remember it is what it is...
In response to Barlow...
You said, "Jesse was was a sympathetic character until he dragged his girlfriend down junkie lane.".
I can only assume that you missed an episode because if you had actually seen everything along the way you couldn't possible believe what you typed.
Jesse warned Jane that he was gonna smoke some crystal and told her to leave at least three times before he left the room. She's the idiot who stopped as she was about to leave and chose to turn around go into his bedroom, knowing what he was about to do.
Further, Jesse was only smoking the meth occasionally until that junkie skank shoved a needle in his arm. She followed that up with guiding him step-by-step through the process on tonight's episode.
She was a junkie long before she met Jesse, and the only dragging was done by her.
Add to that the way Jesse's cut instantly became hers as far as she was concerned and I say she totally deserved to die.
Do you think that the Character has to fit in a Real World Value Judgement in all this tonight- to be a fantastic show? or by what some of you think viewers will turn away from the show?
I am having a hard time understanding how this morality can enter in on this type of show. It is based on a DRUG that society- soccor moms and cops all have a hard-on for. while I have never used the drug, it seems pretty serious, and gives this show the RISK level that makes it worth talking about on this site with you all.
BUT I wonder again, where is the judgement of Walt, letting the 'blackmailing, Heroin shooting' chick die to solve a problem that has risen up to threaten his objectives; MAKE CASH for his family- based on he may very well die..?
good bar song
The Outlaws ;)
In a place you only dream of
Where your soul is always free
Silver stages, golden curtains
Filled my head, plain as can be
As a rainbow grew round the sun
All the stars I've love who died
Came from somewhere beyond the scene you see
These lovely people played just for me
Now if I let you see this place
Where stories all ring true
Will you let me past your face
To see what's really you
It's not for me I ask these questions
As though I were a king
For you have to love, believe and feel
Before the burst of tamborines take you there
(chorus)
Green grass and high tides forever
Castles of stone souls and glory
Lost faces say we adore you
As kings and queens bow and play for you
Those who don't believe me
Find your souls and set them free
Those who do, believe and love
As time will be your key
Time and time again I've thanked them
For a piece of mind
They helped me find myself
Amongst the music and the rhyme
That enchants you there
Wow...once again elated and depressed. Elated because the episode was awesome. Depressed because Walt just sold a little more of soul (the end justifies the means), Jane's Dad will forever hate himself because of not taking immediate action and giving manipulative Jane until "tomorrow", and Jane (the self absorbed bitch artist) who is still a person who chokes tragically on her own vomit,
Headless Gal, yes we did notice the pink teddy bear at Walt's dope deal location - we think. Replayed it and there definitley was a pink furry blop there. Maybe the bear maybe not.
BB rocks "I pay my rent bitch. I have civil rights yo!"
Of course we will make judgements about the characters, if not, why watch at all? The point is do we care about the main characters in the show. They don't need to be perfect, that would be boring. But if we are not rooting for them or against them then there is a problem. I don't think the writers want viewers to dislike Walt. For many, the short amount of time they spent making Jane into a Villain justifies Walts actions. I disagree. I think Walts actions are cowardly and selfish and it makes me care less about his character. That's fine for a character that is not the main character or for a character we want to be the villain but I don't think it works for Walt. It was certainly a powerful scene, I just think it sets the wrong tone for the Walt character. The struggle Walt had was well acted but not believable behavior from the character they have developed up to this point. Jane is not portrayed as so terrible a person as to deserve that kind of treatment.
Just think what would or could have happend if Walt saved Jane... probably worse than what is happening now or what will happen... even though it doesn't look good at all.
I've been lurking on this site for a few weeks now, so I think it's time to add my 0.02.
It was really sad seeing Jane die, but really there was no other way for this to end. She was weaseling into Jessie's money, saying my, I, not us or we.
Walt really does care about Jessie. If he gave the money to Jessie in that state, he would OD in about a day. Just like in Casino, when Ginger got the money, she hooked up with lowlifes, blew the money and OD'd.
How ironic that Walt ran into Janes dad in the bar. One man's daughter is born, another man's daughter dies.
It's pretty clear by the previews that Sauls guys cleans up the "Jane" situation. No cops, it all gets swept away.
Now with the Save Walter White website, I'm afraid thats going to draw some unnecessary heat.
The scene in the bar with Walt and Janes dad was great. One man just gained a daughter...and the other is about to loose one. Great episode.
OK - barlow; But Why "..care less for Walt.." after tonights action? can he not evolve as a character good or bad, in the context of this show's events? I do not care less for him or his character, I saw the eyes of Heisenberg as Walt realized the value in Jane's passing. Save himself along with Jesse.
I can't believe we would be so serious about Tony Soparano if this was him saving his ass letting her die.?
Walt is evolving, and he may be becoming Bad.
If the folks who watch "dancing with stars" were to see this show they would be freekin out about the subject matter, we that watch this show i would suppose can get past some of the illicit content and the subtext of serious drug use by Jesse - who is a main character. Him getting seriously dragged down in to IV use is a detour in his character and effects Walt's character: Changing the dynamic. Now for me-Skyler hacks me off; she is nosy and irritating to me for some reason. As a female you would think I would be able to identify with her and the suspect behavoir she is enduring with Walt.
But I find myself to be the opposite, i am rooting for Walt/Heisenberg at this point.
For me its not about the story line going forward. They can spin that in plenty of satisfying ways I suppose. What they can't do now is make me see Walt as someone I care about. I think they have done a great job until tonight at working in his short comings and adding some texture to his character. This, I think, went overboard. It turns Walt into an uncaring person. The emotion while well acted is not believable under the circumstances of the scene. No way a human with even the smallest amount of compassion would behave that way. The scene is out of character and over the top.
lol...was typing this and just saw that gracie had the same observation
It's just sad that Walt didn't do anything. he wouldn't had to do much more than turn her on her side.
As Gracie says a bit of irony there.
I wonder if Jane's Dad had said something when Walt asked for advice.. Like keep them away from junkies... Would Walt had pieced it together?
Would he had had a different outlook of Jane?
Like maybe that's someone's daughter.
Hey everyone...one more thing I'd like to add about savewalterwhite.com the donation on the site actually goes to cancer charity...that is so awesome. I wonder how many people who don't watch breaking bad will end up on that site through google or something...and think the whole thing is real.
they will probably make a donation, lol.
synaptic, good points. I suppose if Walt were to continue to break truly bad and turn into more of a Tony Soprano character then it could work for me that way. It's just that the scene so powerfully puts him in the antagonist roll for me that I will have trouble seeing him sympathetically in the future.
I'd also like to add that I think it's hillarious how the public official that does shady dealings with walt does all his deeds right behind a giant wall with the constitution on it. obviously he doesn't care much about that, though. that public official is probably the biggest scum bag on the show. Think about it, without him, walt woulda never met Gus and made the 1.2 mil.
He deserves to be shot or hung.
The only reason I love this show so much is because it is realistic without being "realistic". I mean think about it. Even if you or anyone you know are not involved with drugs it has to hit like nothing else.
People these days are becomeing smarter and more understanding of what the World is and does. There are differences on every level amongst everyone. Of course there is a good and bad side to everything but everyone has been a part of both more than once in there lives. It is becoming obvious what good and bad is and it is that understanding that provides us with the ability to view any event or occurance for what it really is.
This show presents itself in the most true way possible and it is that disregard for self censorship that provides for the most satisfying and enjoyable show this decade and maybe of all time.
Goodnight everyone and have a great week leading up to the finale of the second season of Breaking Bad.
I don't think Walt is "Uncaring" even if the "Heisenberg eyes" showed up (at least I thought i saw that part of him)
I saw the movie: "The General Daughter" in that John Travolta's character explains the reasons why someone murders.
In the case of Walt; it is a simple as he let her die to save his ass.
But I would not say he murdered her.
I might expect the same outcome to myself if i shot up Heroin. a risk you take in that behavior -perhaps?
I am really curious why so many folks cried when she died?
I was like YES!!!
But she was a threat, and wildly out of control and screwing up Jesses life.
But it is NOT REAL LIFE in this show..
has to said... and no one says it better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0t0EW6z8a0&feature=rec-r2-sdig&et=1243231160.59
Mr. White does like Jesse !! I was afraid he was starting to not give a shit about him at all. I was feeling like he had just used him to get where he wanted to be financially.
When walt was showing his lil girl the money I thought that was pretty sick of him. Not really something to be proud of.
Was it me or did Skylar seem not too stressed about money when they were talking about making the pool child proof. I think she's gonna break bad with her boss and help him cook the books so she can make some money too.
Dam Jane turned out to be a real freak! Drama ! I thought they both were gonna OD. I can't belive they had Jane go out like that.
So does Jane get put on Walt's list of people he has killed or what?
Doesn't anyone think that to let Jane die was out of character for Walt?! Drugs don't make people do bad things, it's like hypnosis ( you can't transcend/ or overide one's basic character)! One still connects to the realization of right and wrong, and Walt being the sober one should not be able to jump to the rationalization of not "assisting Jane" merely because of her threat! I think the writers made a possibly fatal data entry in to the show, Walt will have compromised TOO much of his character for anyone (other than current/previous drug users) to care about. I'm tempted to stop watching the show-they fucked it up for me....
Just wanted to make a comment about the fingerprints on the syringe. Someone mentioned that Walt's fingerprints would not be in the database. Well I am currently in Teacher's college in Buffalo. IN order to be certified as a teacher in New York state, I have to submit my fingerprints to the FBI... yes the FBI to make sure I have no crimnal history as your around young students all day you need clearance. I am not sure if this is the case in all states, but that could explain Walt's fingerprints being in the database. Furthermore I think Jane's Dad will be in the body bag, either he links walt to the scene and goes after him, or I think Jesse may move in with Walt while he is in surgery to help around the house in his absence. Long shot, but then Jane's dad would go after him at Walt's house, maybe explaining both their bodies in the bags.
Walt could do nothing to save the girl. When he knew she was gone, he cried. I believe thats the first tear he's shed in the entire series so far. So don't hate on him to much. Hate the heroin she was injecting.
Earlier today I saw a real video that I will never forget. A video of 8 year olds in russia being given heroin on camera, by the drug dealer. He actually does commentary as the kids smoke and shoot heroin.
The shocking part is, one of the kids in the videos overdoses on camera. I quickly closed the video as the kid started holding his heart and convulsing.
It made me lose faith in humanity...looked at the world in a very cynical way after watching it.
Oh shit! What if Ted is really the father of Holly or something? How long ago was it when Skylar left the company the first time? Damn, I could maybe see that in Season 3 or something. Maybe?
I apologize if I'm posting too much but I just like to post as soon as I think of some kind of storyline in this show... it consumes my soul.
Also Walt gave that speech about the jesse being like a Nephew. If Jane's dad puts two and two together figure it out its Jesse. What better way to get back at Walt then take the life of his 'nephew' he cared for. I can then see Jane's dad taking his own life as he has lost his daughter and maybe in another state of mind (drunk, high) takes his life as well.
This show is THE BEST written drama on tv right now. It is raw and real and they don't cut any corners in potraying things as they really are, which I appreciate. Tv usually gives us a sugercoated view of the world to keep the masses placated and does not make them deal with the realities of life. Drug dealing, abuse and addication or no less real than shopping at Walmart and watching NASCAR, it's just that no one wants to aknowledge it.
synaptic45caliber, you are correct. Walt is evolving and becoming "bad." He was on Adam Carolla's podcast talking about how he becomes more and more "bad" over time. However, in this episode he was either going to kill Jane or she was going to kill herself. He had no choice because she was a liability. He cares about Jesse, he could give a shit about Jane. You have to understand the situation he was in: he can't allow himself to be discovered. If she has to die, then so be it. In his grand scheme she has no value; she's a liability. Evil? Sure, but welcome to reality.
As an attorney, I'm not really allowed to say that Saul Goodman is my hero if I want to keep my license, but you gotta love the guy. You deal with enough cops and prosecutors and over time you understand why the guy is the way he is. I hope they keep him on as a character. He is very entertaining and I have loved his work since Mr. Show. He is a talented guy and plays the role of douchebag attorney perfectly. His character is why people hate us, but I'm cool with that. I know plenty of guys like his character and it makes my job more interesting to have to deal with those characters. Hell, some day I want to be one of those guys ;^)
(killa cam) made some good points,
and Thanks barlow;
I have the feeling that Walt will have a hard time living with himself on these things, and comes back around to your point of being sympathetic to the character.
I don't know that Walt can become "Heisenberg" totally because then -- would? more folks feel the same as you and others on here tonight?
I am not saying be bad in real life; i shelter myself from the real world now, so don't get me wrong about being PRO Heisenberg.... in Walt.
I just find this series to be of great fastination and the writing (and acting) blows me away. I would not have signed onto this board tonight if i had not been questioning and yet wanting answers from YOU my fellow viewers.
AND THANKS for writing back with me.
I do not get to ask or talk critical theory about stuff too often and this SHOW is a great place to be able to explore ideas. The last Movie i wanted to talk to someone about (Fight Club) i have never got to talk with my friend the psychologist with. that is serious stuff- i thought it could be great fun to talk about.
So thanks for talking with me here.
Jane, and possibly Jesse would have both OD'd. A half a million dollars, plenty of leisure time, and no will power (they had a chance to discard the heroin on the night stand) are a recipe for disaster.
ernmoran-
good thoughts- I like your ideas on that stuff; in this time of economic and social deconstruction, Tv is to calm and hypotize the masses...my parents are a good examaple of that (thus the' Dancing with the Stars' reference)
Saul is funny character, I like him, in that he solves problems. I wish i could solve some problems of my own, legally but i don't live inside a Tv show....dang.
I kind of thought that Jane was going to get Jesse all loaded and then disappear with the cash.
Walt could of taken steps to prevent Jane from dieing .. One sat her up when she started puking.
Then got her moving and he could of called 911 and split.
The heroin hadn't killed her at that point.She drowned in her own puke. He could of saved her. But he choose not to.
bigfreakinnaz love the color of your car! Beautiful.
Another rollercoaster of emotion start to finish....whew!
First, if nothing else, it was firmly established that Walt does love Jesse and looks out for him regarding the money, and checking up on him afterward. Walt was right, if Jesse had gotten the money (and being with Jane), he'd have been dead in a week. As it turned out, it was Jane......in a day.
It was classic irony, having Walt go from talking to another father about raising a daughter to Walt being present to witness someone else's daughter die a horrible death. I was really crying over that scene. And for that particular conversation ("Just love them; they are who they are. Family - you can't give up on them - ever") to spur Walt to go back and see about his "other son", Jesse, made that whole conversation even more poignant and tragic.
When Walt shook Jesse in the bed, he did cause Jane to roll onto her back. So.....whether that can be construed as intentional in addition to his inaction during her choking is a tough call. I think the scene was purposely written ambivalently. You can either see it as Walt purposely letting Jane die or that he didn't really know what course to take, and was ambivalent.
I got the feeling that Jesse was already having some doubts about the goodness of Jane by a few of the comments he made and the expressions on his face; like when the father showed up, and the whole business about a loser (takes one to know one), and Jesse's expression when Walt comes with the money and Jane starts threatening Walt and her behavior afterward, like my money, what I want, etc - pretty selfish. I think Jesse was already clueing in to her underlying personality - selfish. I think no matter what happened in Jane's life, she was doomed, especially by what her father was saying about her past.
As for the next episode, ABQ, the preview show that Saul has sent over a "cleaner", obviously, to handle the situation. I think Jane's body will end up somewhere near the airport, maybe with some cash around her body. Jesse will be homeless and hiding from Donald Margolis, at the very least, before the season ends. Luckily his rental appy has pseudonym, Jesse Jackson, on it. Don't think we're going to find out anything about the body bags - the podcasts have almost guaranteed it by the way they talk.
RIP Jane
When Walt, Skyler, Hank, Marie, and Flynn were having dinner around the pool after bringing the bay home from the hospital, did Hank and Marie bring chicken from Gus’ restaurant?
This episode showed how much Walt really cares for Jessie; not giving Jessie his share until he's clean or he'll be dead in a week; Walt hearing Skylar singing "Daddy's gonna love you until he dies", and then talking with Janes dad in the bar about "family is everything". Walt went back to Jessie's to try to help Jessie, he feels like Jessie is his family, just like he wife and kid(s) he's trying to help in the first place. You could see how hard it was for Walt to let a young women die, but she was surely going to end up killing Jessie and Walt couldn't let that happen. He cried for a moment, and then got that cold killer look in his face, back to business.
Feel so bad for Jessie, because he acts like he has just about given up on himself. After everything else that's happened, then dropping the ball on the big drug deal, and then letting Jane blackmail Walt, Jessie couldn't even look at Walt in the face when he took the bag money.
I think after Jessie finds Jane dead, he's going to hit absolute rock bottom, and some thing like this is usually needed for an addict to change behavior, and may lead to his "Phoenix". Good posts above about Jane's dad showing up early the next mornng to take Jane to rehab, going crazy after finding her dead, and then Jessie having to kill him, to save himself.
It was interesting how Walt was telling Saul about how hard it was to have earned all of this money, but not being able to tell his family about it, can't take any credit for it. But he can show his new daughter how great dad is by showng her all of the money that daddy has earned. If Walt could have accepted the charity from Gretchen and hubby in the first place, none of this mess would have happended, and no fun show to watch. Skylar even says to Walt something like "you make charity sound bad" and Saul even observes "no deep seated issues there" when Walt can't accept charity thru the website.
Can't wait until next week. I think it will be Jane and her dad in the body bags. Walt is helping Jessie get rid of the bodies, and somehow the car with the bodies is close to the explosion, and discovered by the cops (?) Not sure how they'll fit this in. Wonder if Walt throwing out the spare tire in the Aztec at the start of this show will be a factor later?
It was quite laughable and awkwardly ballsy for Ted Beneke to still be hanging out at the hospital, and particularly in Skyler's room. Marie, Hank and Walt Junior were at the hospital, so there was really no reason for Ted to be there. Brother, does Ted have it bad for Skyler or what? And their little tender conversation in front of Walt? It was like they were cooing to each other. I don't blame Walt for giving Ted the short shrift evil eye. Why he didn't say "Back off, buddy - this is my wife and my baby" is beyond me. He should have.
sloe Yes! The chicken was from Gus' restaurant. I laughed too. Walt looked uncomfortable, like there was going to be blue meth in the bucket of chicken. LOL
Hey everybody... Wow! Tonight was pretty nutty...
I just wanted to drop line real quick and say hi... I'm super tired! So... I'm gonna get some Z's.. But I'll try to get on sometime tomorrow...
By the way I loved the idea about coming to alb.... I would definitely hang with you guys! Let me know....
As for Jane asphyxiating on her vomit, doesn't that mean that Jane had already vomited in her mouth? There's a very good chance that with vomit in her mouth already, Jane could have asphyxiated with or without rolling on her back if she was unconscious for a lengthy period of time. Jane could've eventually inhaled her vomit while still sleeping on her side, and still suffocated, I think. That's a calculated risk she and Jesse take every time, using heroin. Even Jesse took the risk of pushing her on her back in his unconscious state, and vice versa.
All right. I didn't like Jane after she returned to the Dark Side and took Jesse with her. But I'm sorry about the way she died, and the creepiest part was that she seemed to be looking right at Walt when she gurgled her last breath.
What did please me was that Walt finally showed some real compassion for Jesse, which he has been so loath to do in most previous episodes. You all might remember a scene between him and Jane when he said that Walt was his partner and he wouldn't roll on him. I never thought Walt returned the loyalty, even though he couldn't have started his cottage industry without Jesse. And in that weird, coincidental conversation with Jane's father, Walt referred to him as his troubled "nephew." I hope he can same him. God, I hope they can save each other, although ultimately, it's probably impossible. Who knew we'd become so attached to these characters?
Oh, and PS--I'd bet a dollar (hey, I'm mostly broke right now) that we won't find out who is in those body bags until NEXT season. For those of you out there who are old enough to remember, this will be the 21st century version of "Who shot JR?"
Wait six months to find out!
Damn KIDs, but this show ROCKs!
199 posts when I logged in, can't read them all right now. I'm just so amped, and want to put my 2 cents worth in. Apologies if I run thoughts already posted by others.
Kinda Running Backwards: In the preview, did you see the look on Skyler's face when Walt was asked about bringing his cell phone and he said which one? Priceless! I think it was Walt I saw through the water of the pool past the teddy bear. Just adds more the the unBEARable curiosity factor.
Walt could have saved Jane and chose not to. He did shed a tear at her passing, but it was just as necessary a killing as Crazy8.
Jesse is just as much Walt's son as Walt Jr. He does love him. This is why he gets so frustrated at him when he does stupid silly things. He does go back to Jesse's apartment to [pick one] help, reason with, scold, take the money back so that he won't use it to buy H and OD. This is not what a business partner does! Jesse told Walt that he'd never see them again. A business partner, especially a drug business partner, would have been, say, overjoyed, at having the whole business to themselves in the future. As many have pointed out, does Walt as a drug businessman even need Jesse anymore, now that he has Saul's council and resources? And at 20% not 50%. Walt cares very much for Jesse, as family, as a son. He's not totally Heisenberg yet.
So, James26, do you have a eulogy for Jane? Do you feel any pang of sadness for her?
Jane was not all bad, not as evil as we postulated from the previews. But, once again there are consequences of making bad decisions: "backsliding" into using again after 18 months. Blackmailing someone. Especially in the drug world. Unless you are totally stupid, you don't do that to a dealer, and live to tell about it. Did she deserve to die? No. Was her death inevitable? Certainly. If not Walt, then Saul, or Gus.
Slygirl08: I truly hope that the method of Jane's passing is not too hard on you, in relation to what you have posted about your husband. Funny, that as just amped out as I was at the ending, I thought about you right away, in your husband's passing and hope that Walt did not just leave Jesse in bed with her. I guess we have become a bit of a family on this board :-)
Walt thinks on his feet. He started to save Jane and thought better of it. He may have even let her die out of love for, and wanting to help Jesse, than strictly as a business decision. I'm going to assume that he cleans up the scene, at least a bit, such as taking the cash, (they're gonna need it to pay for Saul's intervention). Maybe even pulling Jesse out and dropping him off in front of an Emergency Room to make sure Jesse doesn't croak also.
Jane's dad is going to be a major problem for Jesse, and when He bumps into Walt again in pursuit of Jesse, it will somehow be a doozie of a twist in the plot.
I really thought that Jesse was going to wack Jane's dad in the head with that bat when he was calling the cops. Expected him to Break Bad and finally kill someone in a drug induced hangover and in protection of his woman. But Jesse is still basically a good person. Or maybe just a total wuss, from Walt's sarcastic quote in a later scene "way to wear the pants". Good bit of tense drama in how that was played out.
Just for a moment in the classroom, Jesse did feel bad that he caused Walt to miss the birth, just that slight pause and then on to the money question. And back to Walt caring for Jesse, he told him the truth about how much cash, not holding out on him of the details. and not that he wouldn't give it to him, just that he's playing dad in not wanting Jesse to kill himself with the money.
Ted being there for the birth of the baby, and then having the moxie to give Skyler a kiss on the way out of the room. Plan on Walt putting him in a body bag. In the Teddy Bear scene, or later, Walt Heisenberg will not let that stand uncorrected.
Hank going to Los Pollos Hermanos is cute. Teasing us more as to all this is going on right under Hank's nose and he doesn't see it. Other than in the preview he says he thinks Heisenberg is still out there.
And them mentioning that Walt Jr. even has PayPal on the webpage. Oh Lord, what a mistake that is. Saul will launder the bucks into PayPal and PayPal will freeze the acount for having too much money and activity on it and Walt won't see the money again for weeks months or years. PayPal DOES do that to people for no reason at all. Trust me on this.
Got to go, wrote too much for one post, and I'm due for my 1am feeding of the 3rd airing.
PPS--does anyone use the terms fits and points anymore? Those were the longest points I've ever seen any regular junkie get their hands on. (I wasn't a user but 40 years ago, I knew a few.)
PPS--does anyone use the terms fits and points anymore? Those were the longest points I've ever seen any regular junkie get their hands on. (I wasn't a user but 40 years ago, I knew a few.)
That was so messed up at the end! Walt you evil bastard! Poor Q! I almost don't want to see his reaction to his daughter's death, and Jesse, damn give the guy a break one day. This show is the greatest thing ever on tv.
"Oh shit! What if Ted is really the father of Holly or something? How long ago was it when Skylar left the company the first time? Damn, I could maybe see that in Season 3 or something."
Killa Cam: I've wondered the exact same thing.
God damn! What an intense episode!
By Blue Runner on May 25, 2009 1:38 AM
Mr. White does like Jesse !! I was afraid he was starting to not give a shit about him at all. I was feeling like he had just used him to get where he wanted to be financially.
When walt was showing his lil girl the money I thought that was pretty sick of him.
I thought the exact same thing on both accounts. Great post. I would've never shown my little girl the money like that. That money is dirty and nothing to be proud of. Besides I definitely wouldn't want her to follow my bad example. I did what I had to do and lets leave it at that. I do feel though that Walt is just bursting inside to be able to tell somebody, share with somebody all of his achievements in the drug game. He even admits that to Saul "all this money and I can't do anything with it".
By rottentail on May 25, 2009 1:39 AM
Doesn't anyone think that to let Jane die was out of character for Walt?! Drugs don't make people do bad things.
I totally agree. People are good or bad long before they get involved with drugs. They don't all of the sudden change into something that they're not. Sure they may steal money or whatever if they're a junkie to get their fix, but they don't start killing people or letting them die or whatever. But I guess as part of the message that they want to get across through the show is how Walt's metamorphosis into this bad guy is what happens when you get involved in the drug game. I highly disagree.
On another note, I want to know who's the guy in the red shirt that's standing over the teddy bear in the preview at the end of the show. Was it Walt, or was it that cleaner guy? I can't make the face out well enough through the water.
And how cool is that? They actually really made a savewalterwhite.com website. Although I think that is going to be the beginning of the end for him.
After watching this episode i just want to tell him "Stop. Get out while you can, while you're still ahead. Don't you see how valuable your time with your family is? There are people dying and getting killed all around you and it is only going to get worse and lead to disaster. Can't you see the writing on the wall? Get out now!". But then again, that would mean the end of the show. And we certainly can't have that. LOL.
Ted Beneke - Skyler's pregnancy I think when she was telling Marie about her applying to Beneke, it had been 4 years since she worked there. I think it's Walt's baby.
Ask Vince Gilligan on the blog this week. Any questions until Thur, May 28, 12 Noon ET.
trublu8 You're sure right about Walt being proud of what he's achieved financially. Even Saul gave Walt a kinda look that read "you haven't done anything to be proud of Walt that you'd want to broadcast - it's criminal and crooked". You could see Saul thought Walt was a little screwy, like he's missing a moral screw about right and wrong (even though he's immoral himself).
Yep. Lol.
Real Combo Boy, if somewhere organizes something like a roundup in Albuquerque this summer, I'd sure to try to make it. It'd be a hoot....and isn't there a horse race track nearby?
I did not watch the previews, but here is my prediction for next episode:
First off the ending was an obvious fake-out. He will not let Jane die. Walt gets Jane breathing and struggles to get her in the car. He calls Mr. Hermanos Pollo and tells him that he has a problem, they need to meet at the restaurant.
Walt races through town and when they get to the restaurant Pollo guy brings them in the side door into the manager's office. They lay Jane on the floor and Walt tells a pissed-off Pollo dude that they need the adrenaline shot.
Pollo retrieves a box from a walk-in cooler. The box contains a huge syringe. This syringe is gigantic, even bigger than the monster horse needles that Jane and Jesse used for shooting dope!
Walt rips open Jane's shirt and we get a nice shot of her bra - in the uncensored DVD version we will be seeing her titties for sure! He draws an "X" on Jane's chest. He stabs the needle into the "X" and depresses the plunger.
Jane immediately snaps out of it, and her body jerks upright, screaming. The Hermanos Pollo man rushes out of the room and returns with a bucket of chicken and some sodas. A disheveled and shaken Jane turns down the offer of a drumstick "No thanks, that stuff is really bad for you!"
. By The Real Combo on May 25, 2009 2:57 AM
... I would definitely hang with you guys!
I like the Real Combo!!! Seems like a real cool guy.Hey Combo (you'll always be Combo to me) would you be my friend on my space if I added you?
By Alexis on May 25, 2009 3:40 AM
PPS--does anyone use the terms fits and points anymore? Those were the longest points I've ever seen......................
Yes they still call them that and I thought the same thing too. They looked like horse needles. Did you hear Jesse when Jane was instrucing him how to fix the dope? He's talking about Mr. White and Jane tells Jesse ," I don't understand why you need him anyways" , Jesse says , "My point exactly", as he flicks at the syringe.
For those who are put off by Walt's actions, not helping Jane. He wouldn't let himself help her because he loves Jesse,he's bonded with him,he looks at him like he's family in a way,he's his partner. We've all seen the change in Jesse since Jane entered the picture and we've all wanted her to go away.It was a nessary evil to protect someone he loved.
BTW any of you use a baby monitor before? Isn't it the best accidental evesdropper and cordless phone interferer ever ! ie: Walt and Jane's phone conversation.
jamm54: Thanx! I took that pic yesterday - she was all shined up!
I'm very curious as to what Jane's dad Donald does for a living. I'll bet he's a drug manufacturer/distributor too, and the guys that took care of Combo work for him! He mentioned something about "training somebody" - I wonder if it's the kid that pulled the trigger on Combo? Just some food for thought!
Didn't Skyler mention something about her mom coming to watch the baby while Walt is in the hospital and she was at work? Maybe one of the bodybags has her mom in it?
Somebody above mentioned how funny it was for Ted to be hanging around the hospital after he brought Skyler there when she went into labor. I thought that was a bit weird too, and so did Walt. He sure gave him the old stink-eye didn't he? And especially when she gave him a nice kiss goodbye. She wants it from Ted - no doubt in my mind. How many women do you know are in such a big hurry to get back to work after having a baby/ The family needing the money is a lame excuse.
'Jane says i'm gonna kick tomorrow'
Lyrics from the Jane's Addiction song Jane Says
coincidence? probably not
from the main page
Skyler and Walt collide in the season finale as her frustration with his secrecy finally comes to a head.
Jesse self-destructs after a personal blow, forcing Walt to come to his aid.
Donald's grief leads to tragedy.
Forget about Ted, Walt.. I'm going to crawl back up your ass.
Jesse self destructs?.. what the hell has he been doing lately that hasn't been such.
Don offs himself.. Walt goes to funeral.
Hmm... that guy looks familar
Wow. Wow. Wow. Everybody's talking about Jane, but how about when Walter tells his newborn daughter, "Look what your daddy did for you." It started out being for her, but I think that a large part of the whole thing was actually for Walter himself, to get his own life back. The things that people do for their children...Walter was prepared to sacrifice himself for his family, and by letting Jane die, he did sacrifice some of his conscience.
And Walter has become essentially Jesse's father. The scene in the bar with Jane's father was essentially two fathers commisserating. Walter did what was "right" for Jesse by letting Jane die. Walter has Jesse's best interests in mind, even if he goes about it in the wrong way. On the same day that Walter became a father to his daughter, he also acted like a father to Jesse.
Wow, Over 220 posts already? Hot Dang!!!
Anyway Walt changed the moment he personally killed Emilio. His plot to kill Tuco sealed the deal. Walt will kill anyone who stands in his way or threaten's those he considers his family. That's why Jane didn't have a chance. She threatened him, ergo she was done. Walt lucked out and can convince himself that it was her fault overall and it would have happened sooner or later. She was doomed anyway. The one who broke my heart was Donald the dad. The scene in the bar was where I started to shed a tear. Who knew Q could make me cry. When he said she was old enough to know better really broke me. I'm a daddy's girl too. I don't think he's an addict, nor an abuser anymore. I think now that he was a very loving father who truly loved his daughter and was willing to do anything for her including going to all the meetings with her. That was so sad. I think the only reason he didn't kill Jesse was because he knew if he did, he wouldn't be able to still help her. I can only imagine what will happen with him now that she's dead. She looked pretty dead to me anyway. I knew that Walt felt truly fatherly toward Jesse. Lucky for Jesse! If he didn't, Walt would figur out a way to get rid of him. Also Jesse has never personally threatened Walt. They are TRUEBLU friends forever (like the way I worked you in on that Tru?). All you guys who are saying that you're dissapointed in the show now because Walt has become less sypathetic? Are you nuts? He's murdered and is responsible for keeping thousands of people hooked on Meth. He's not so empathetic to begin with people. Cancer or no cancer. He'll help to kill hundreds as opposed to accepting charity to cure his cancer? Get a grip guys. I felt sorry for Tony Soprano too, he had issues and family problems and still kept murdering away. He even felt bad about a few of them, but hey business and family comes first. RIght? Also as for the Ep. 12 photo's it says that the guy in the car with Walt is Giancarlo Esposito, its not, but I've seen that guy everywhere. Who is he?
Wow.... another EXCELLENT episode.
Great writing, tying Jane's dad to Walt at the bar. And the website idea, that is great. I see the website is live and if you click on the donate now it takes you to a cancer page. That is in great taste and I respect that completely.
Back on Jane's dad. Now that is a coincidence that is believable. They were both in the neighborhood and stopped for a drink. They talked. (So much for Jane's dad being a cop, drug lord, ex biker, or whatever. He is just a loving father acting as the support rock his daughter can lean on. No molestation there at all). So anyway they talked, and the great writing continues. What a way for Walt to tell us in his own words that he really truly cares about Jesse. If it wasn't for the fact that he told Jesse to piss and that he would certainly give him every dime as soon as he got clean, he then told Jane's dad about his "nephew," and you could really sense that he cares about Jesse. Sure, he is bottled with emotion with that wonderful new baby, but it is all coming out that he really cares about Jesse. That is the good side of Walt. I like this.
So the great writing continues. Due to a conversation wtih Jane's dad, and the fact that Walt realized he couldn't give up on Jesse, he went back to just talk to his "nephew" Jesse. My wife and I thought Jesse's dad would show up too (which he still could at the start of next week's episode) but the writing was better. He tried to wake Jesse up and Jane did just what she warned Jesse against, she rolled over onto her back and then choked on her own vomit. Walt's immediate reaction was to save another human life but he stopped and you could just read it on his face. He knew if he saved Jane, nothing would change and that Jesse ultimately would end up dead. Sacrificing Jane will surely serve as a wake up call to Jesse about using meth and H. I'll bet he gets clean after this and he will NEVER know Walt was there. I think Walt made the right choice. He let one life go and saved one that is closer to his own heart.
Wait until he finds out that it was her LOVING (not molesting or bad) FATHER that he was talking to at the tavern. He'll feel awful.
We saw a lot of down to earth love for his family and life this episode with Walt. He even showed the baby the money and said "I did this for you." And he did. All the way back to S1E1, Walt is doing this horrible deed to secure his own family's future.
In other aspects of the show. I had a feeling Ted would be standing there. Of course he saved the day and took Skyler to the hospital. No surprise there.
As far as the money bag, I thought for sure they were going to take it the direction of Jane getting Jesse high and then taking off with the money. So what I talked about above with Walt standing by as Jane checked out was a twist on what I thought would happen. Great writing.
I cannot say enough, great writing. This is all coming together so well. We are going to be left with a cliffhanger next week for sure.
From the previews, I can certainly relate to being semi-sedated after a surgery and saying things out loud that I shouldn't or would be embarrassed by. For me, I have said things around the nurses, but Walt actually says "which one?" regarding the cell phones. This has been a nugget of worry in Skyler's mind since the missing incident and he has lied to her about it repeatedly. He says he doesn't have a second cell phone and he just gives himself away about it. Wow. If that doesn't break their trust and put her babyless body in bed with Ted, I don't know what will. I think much of next season is going to be a struggle for Walt to get his wife back. It will be a significant side story. He has done all this, and will continue on doing all this drug cooking and selling stuff and now his wife is on her way out the door. In the scheme of who he is as a person, the grander scheme, his marriage problems are insignificant. He is a big man. He could go "shopping malls" and make some huge money and build an empire. But at the root of it all is a man who loves his family and did all this to better their lives. Now his wife is going to end up leaving him for Ted. She has lost trust for him and that is just the justification she needs to take it to the next level with Ted.
One more thing. Saul warned Walt about telling Skyler about the money. I hope Walt doesn't feel he has to tell her next season in an attempt to save his marriage. It may already be too late. She is emotional attached to Ted, who has been there for her in so many ways over the last weeks or months. Did you see Walt's reaction when she was already talking about going back to work? Sheesh...
Anyway... I cannot wait for next week's show. I know I'll be riding on that cliffhanger like the rest of you when they end it for 9 months.
Best show on TV. I really believe that.
Very true tweeders1. Walt is a bad guy, just because we like and root for him doesn't mean he is a nice person. He let his anger at possibly being ripped off in the beginning of the series stop that couple from paying all his medical bills. Instead he decided it would be ok to make and peddle this poison and ruin the health/lives of countless people. In the end , it is going to end bad for Walt. And maybe his family will suffer as well more then just in mourning him.
I felt terrible for Jane. BTW I love the girl who played her , good actress and hot as all hell. She reminded me of the girl in True Blood ( the one who starts going out with the main characters brother and is nude alot , that girl has a kick ass body too ). This show rules.
Great episode!
that being said, i felt a bit disappointed by 2 things.
1st I thought it was a bit improbable that walt would stumble on jane's dad in the bar; and that they would have this conversation prompting walt to go and check on jesse...what are the odds for that?
but more importantly, why did the writers chose to make walt attend jane's death?I thought, watching the beginning of the scene, that walt would seize the opportunity to get rid of jane and inject her some more heroin so that she would OD, and for the same result we would have had a less unlikely event...but to make him just be there makes little sense...
now i agree with what someone said earlier in the post, that walt trying to wake up jesse made jane fall on her back and eventually choke on her vomit, but this is quite indirect and unfortunate, or unlucky or whatever...and you would have to read this website to get the idea behind the scene...
Cant wait till next week for the fnale anyway...
Great episode!
that being said, i felt a bit disappointed by 2 things.
1st I thought it was a bit improbable that walt would stumble on jane's dad in the bar; and that they would have this conversation prompting walt to go and check on jesse...what are the odds for that?
but more importantly, why did the writers chose to make walt attend jane's death?I thought, watching the beginning of the scene, that walt would seize the opportunity to get rid of jane and inject her some more heroin so that she would OD, and for the same result we would have had a less unlikely event...but to make him just be there makes little sense...
now i agree with what someone said earlier in the post, that walt trying to wake up jesse made jane fall on her back and eventually choke on her vomit, but this is quite indirect and unfortunate, or unlucky or whatever...and you would have to read this website to get the idea behind the scene...
Cant wait till next week for the fnale anyway...
Another astute observation: Jane, knowing well that once one sinks in a drug-induced trance, he or she might choke on his/her own vomit, therefore, by placing a blanket behind Jesse's back, she was aiming to prevent such incident so he wouldn't accidentally roll on his back. Moreover, she, as always, "spooned" him so both have a chance to pass the content of their stomach if that was to happen -- in a sense, this was a symbiotic relationship. Nonetheless, when Walter barged in to urge Jesse to clean up his act while shaking him, he inadvertently dismantled the "spooning" formation which could have saved Jane's life rather than choking on her own vomit.
Walt may have been thinking as he watched Jane choke on her vomit "Wow. I missed the birth of my daughter due to involvement in drugs, and here I am watching another man's daughter dying as a result of involvement in drugs."
I think the tears he was shedding were from him thinking that at one time this young woman was a mere infant girl who was certainly a gleam in her dad's eyes exactly like Holly is to him. He is also showing that he is taking partial blame on himself as well, feeling indirectly responsible somehow. On the other hand, he may have been weeping that the "good" side of him didn't win out over the "Heisenberg" side of him, and feared that if he saved her she would not appreciate it and still cause future problems for him with probably wanting more money, getting Jesse more hooked on the needle, etc.
Hey Anthonym, I just got the first dvd of Trueblood from netflix. I'm going to watch it today. Glad to hear that its pretty good. I felt sorry for Jane too. But she's been down the hole and come back on more than one occasion according to her dad. I think she rented to Jesse in the first place was because she knew exactly what he was. She admitted it. She wanted to get back into it. If she and Jesse would have stayed together they'ed be just another Spooge and Skank, just younger. What fun is there in watching that? I better watch out, that sounds like it could be made into a musical. Spooge and Skank, the musical. The timeless tale of a modern day, middle aged Romeo and Juliet junkie love story. I'm thinkin definite Rock opera material. Where the guy who wrote the Brady lyrics? Gotta a job for you babe! Maybe you and the Real Combo can hook up for this one! Krysten Ritter is hot and you can continue to see her on Gossip Girl if you're into tweener soaps. I think she's in a movie coming out too. Time to go make potato salad for the chicken I'm grillen today. To all you vets out there, Happy Memorial Day and thanks for all you've done for my country. I hope you all have a place to go today. Everyday for that matter.
Sincerely,
Tweeds
tweeders1 said "Hey Anthonym, I just got the first dvd of Trueblood from netflix. I'm going to watch it today. Glad to hear that its pretty good"
Trueblood is a good show. I ended up buying the season on Bluray when it came out last week. It is nowhere near as good as Breaking Bad, but it is a different kind of a show.
It kind of annoyed me actually that I was able to get a "lesser" show for my collection on Bluray while I had to settle for DVD for Breaking Bad. I posted about this last week but nobody seems to care.
Maybe y'all don't collect your shows. I have a huge collection of movies and shows and I'll buy the Bluray if it is a show I like enough. It is a shame that this show, the best show on television, isn't out on Bluray. But of six hundred plus posts, nobody else said a bit about it.
If you guys love this show so much, don't you want to own it on the best media available? I mean, if you people aren't buying your shows, specifically the ones you love so much you post here every week about, no wonder they don't put it out on Bluray.
This show was made for HD and it is a shame most of us don't get AMC HD. Breaking Bad is one of the few shows I watch in SD anymore. I have the HD channel of just about everything else I watch but neither of my providers carry AMC HD and I cannot even buy the show on Bluray. I guess I am the only one that cares enough about it.
If you guys are happy just watching commercialized reruns on AMC whenever you can if you want to see it again, fine. But for those of you that have seen the DVD of season one, you know there are things that were cut out of the broadcast edition of the show to appease advertisers. There are also a ton of extras. This would make an excellent Bluray disc, for the best possible quality. Just my opinion.
When Walt goes to the hospital and he sees Holly for the first time and Beneke is there, Walt says "I didn't see you there" like Beneke wasn't on his radar but he's someone to watch for.
The obvious kicker was Walt letting Jane die. I have to admit out of all the deaths on the show that was the coldest. To stand by and do nothing while someone chokes to death on their vomit, that's really tough. After I watched that scene, I was surprised with myself because when she started choking I was screaming at the t.v. for Walt to save her, but them a split second later I was biting my tongue but I knew that's what had to be done.
I know Walt was helping Jesse, but the main reason Jesse uses is to forget and it's going to take a lot of drugs for him to forget waking up to his asphyxiated girlfriend. However, there is a chance this scared him straight, but I highly doubt that.
One last point, Jane's dad said that Jane was 27 yrs. old. I must say she looked good for someone who had been using for 10 years. I don't know that much about drug use but after 10 years of drugs I'd expect worse. I guess it depends on how deep she was into drugs.
zuleya said "1st I thought it was a bit improbable that walt would stumble on jane's dad in the bar; and that they would have this conversation prompting walt to go and check on jesse...what are the odds for that?"
Oh my God are you serious? I think this is very probable. Here we have people predicting that Jane's dad is this huge mafia like drug henchmen or working with the DEA or police as a sting operation to bust Jesse. One poster went as far as to say that his relationship with Jane showed all the signs of molestation (where do people come up with this stuff?).
Stopping off at a bar at a place nearby Jesse and Jane's house was very probable, considering both are very deep in their sorrows over their own loved one. Don with Jane's drug problem and Walt with his "nephew's" problem. They both care about their person and sat to have a drink. The conversation started like any other conversation in a bar. Don overheard Walt on the phone and started chit-chatting. I cannot think of a better way for the writers to pull this off. I actually think it was excellent writing.
Think about other people's thoughts on Don. A drug lord? A child molester? A cop working to catch Jesse who randomly picked a rental out of a classified ads section? Come on people. This was genius writing. Kudos to the writers. Excellent stuff.
Kudos to the person who suggested Skylar may break bad as well. I think it is very likely. So far every other major character has broken bad. I wouldnt even be suprised if Little Holly stole from the cookie jar in the Season Finale!
Will Walt get suspicious when Skylar doesnt seem worried about money? Will he suspect that Ted is being a sugar daddy. This will enrage Walt because HE wants to be the provider... and the thought of having Ted of all people be his family's benefactor will eat at him. Yet, Skylar, because she is so holier than thou... cant tell her husband that she's helping to embezzle money! Cant wait for next episode and next season.
Walt getting all that attention on t.v. for his website is not going to be good. I'm going out on a limb, but all Tio did was watch t.v., so I'm guessing he'll see Walt on t.v. and start ringing that bell. The infamous Juarez boys will make their appearance.
SEASON 3
Skylar comes clean about her role in embezzling funds. In response, Walt tells Skylar what he's been up to and they start to work together. They fake their own deaths (hence the body bags), the insurance money goes to Hank to take care of Flynn and Holly. Jesse goes good and becomes a preacher or social worker or something.
This will take about 10 episodes of Skylar breaking bad, putting Ted under her control and having Berneke Fabricators be the new Los Pollos for the Heisenburg Distribution Chain.
I find it interesting that they keep showing Walt's dualities colliding with each other and many times in the season the Haeisenburg personality has the glasses off (unless I'm wrong)
Unlike say, Clark Kent, who HAS to take his glasses off to become his other identity, or even Bruce Wayne, who must put ON his mask to assume the Batman identity, Walt has been shown doing Heisenburg actions/planning with and without the glasses
Most especially telling was when Walt was in a short panic trying to figure out what to do as jane choked, and then standing there as Heisenburg watching her die (and ALLOWING her to die) and then as Walt, (still through it all-- the glasses remained on) crying because of what he had done to her.
Then there was the blackmail scene where the glasses were off and Heisenburg was talking to her on the phone in the backyard
These two personalities share the same body and it's interesting watching the actor juggle both personalities as each circumstance arises
Bring on season 3 so we can watch this volcano erupt!
hi skottey, don't get me wrong, i also believe this is insane writing! and i love this show as much as you do...maybe it has been so good so far that we tend to keep the bar very high..
but it just i felt there was some improbabity there...
to make walt and jane's dad meet and talk at his very moment...on this very evening, and that the concerned dad makes walt go and check on jesse, and that it indirectly leads to jane's death...c'mon man, this is just a notch improbable, although it is a great story arch.
No guesses on how it ends - this show has more twists than a pretzel.
The swimming pool was spooking me the entire episode, though.
The reflections off the water, even at night when Walt’s in the kitchen, you can see the reflection of the pool on the wall.
I was holding my breath, waiting for an explosion or fire or SOMETHING ! The shadows just rippled through the entire episode like some great harbinger of doom.
That aside, I liked John DeLancie as Jane’s father. One of the very few roles that I’ve liked Q in. And I didn’t like him as Q.
Also, Bob Odenkirk is just tremendous as Saul. Hell, everyone gives superlative performances on this show!
This show is just so good - it’ll be hard to keep up this quality through another season.
Great show it doesn't have me thinking like the last episode though.
Let's not forget that Walt owes Jesse his life. In the RV when there is no water and no electricity and Walt had given up it was Jesse who thought up the idea of making a battery. No matter how dumb you might think Jesse is, Walt won't/can't forget that Jesse promised to take care of his family if he didn't survive and in the end it was the junkie that had the idea that saved both thier lives. I'm wondering if Jesse's street smarts are going to prove useful dealing with Gus.
Didn't care too much for the bar scene - highly improbable if unnecessary as we pretty much know what Walt is all about with respect to Jesse. Or are the writers simply reinforcing Walt's feeling of family towards Jesse after the deal with Jane and H. But I never thought Walt was behaving adverse to Jesse maybe more like the dad he could never have. Now Walt is not only the teacher but he is a father figure to Jesse. Tighter & tighter even if Jesse isn't up for it - look out.
So we lose the self destructive relationship between Jane & Jesse. Is Walt and Jesse's relationship any less destructive?
On the other hand the only use Walt can have for Jesse is to make more meth and not using crank/heroin with a clear head. Otherwise we are left with the set up Gus laid out for Walt - "never trust a junkie".
What happens the next time Gus rings up and wants 38lbs. of meth in an hour? What are the boys going to do? They act like they have retired and for Gus it's only the beggining.
Can't see Walt and family sitting around the TV with Jesse, new wife and new kid watching Lawrence Welk reruns as the last episode
don't you think it was a great idea to have these flash-forwards with the teddy bear and the pool, and those glasses and body bags...up to the last episode a tension has been built...who wants to take revenge on walt? is it tuco's tio? is it the new guys seeking a street war? is it the atm-lady?
is it jane's dad? is it jesse who would get to know that walt came to visit the flat in the evening and may have some responsibiltiy in jane's death?
Is this is skyler investigations on walt'second phone? or maybe gus's cartel??
no really those flash-forwards have been a great writing idea!
I am thinking that the two body bags might be Jesse and Donald. Donald kills Jesse then kills
himself
the most ironic thing was jane said they would shoot up what they had left and get clean and have a great happy life in new zealand. i think the body bags will jesse brings jane and some how jesse dies at the white house. AND! next week we get to find that out since it's the season finale. and amc greelighted the 3d season
I am an old lady and a super fan of the show. I watched Season I from my son's recordings. I am happy to have found fellow fanatics. U all find things I missed and I have to go 'Oh, yeah!.. Watching the show I try to think outside of
the box..as the writers do.
When we saw the carryout Pollo containers Hank brought to the Whites poolside I think I read too much into it. I'm thinking that Hank knows Gus and that maybe Gus is an informant or helps the DEA in small ways as a cover for his larger drug enterprise. I see now it was just meant to be humorous. Poor Hank. How close he is but does not know. Jane's father will be a tragedy albeit within this tragic tale. I believe he is the only character that I have genuine feelings for. He is a loving soul. He will lash out at Jesse to kill him but in his extreme pain takes his own life. I see in the bar scene he has no wedding band so no wife, no other children, and Jane's death will send him over the edge. I want to cry just thinking about it. Jesse will be devastated. But the writers will surprise me and Jane's father will do something completely unexpected. He is tough -- no doubt about it.
First of all my thoughts
"Holy Fucking Shit!" What a great episode.
Jane, we hardly knew ye. You went and pulled a Bon Scott on us. Too bad Walt was there for Jesse and Heisenburg was there for you.
Byran Cranston playing the split personality within seconds of each other has just been amazing. From loving, caring, father of his newborn and even Jesse for that matter to cold blooded killer the next letting Jane die. I know he feels that Jane dying is for Jesses better well being, but man that was ruthless.
I cannot believe how great this show is. Just when you think it cannot get any better it does.
Also amazed that it is only Monday and there are already almost 250 posts. This thing has caught on like wildfire.
This week is going to be an excruciatingly long wait.
By tweeders1 on May 25, 2009 8:50 AM
Wow, Over 220 posts already? Hot Dang!!!
Anyway Walt changed the moment he personally killed Emilio. His plot to kill Tuco sealed the deal. Walt will kill anyone who stands in his way or threaten's those he considers his family. That's why Jane didn't have a chance. She threatened him, ergo she was done. Walt lucked out and can convince himself that it was her fault overall and it would have happened sooner or later. She was doomed anyway. The one who broke my heart was Donald the dad. The scene in the bar was where I started to shed a tear. Who knew Q could make me cry. When he said she was old enough to know better really broke me. I'm a daddy's girl too. I don't think he's an addict, nor an abuser anymore. I think now that he was a very loving father who truly loved his daughter and was willing to do anything for her including going to all the meetings with her. That was so sad. I think the only reason he didn't kill Jesse was because he knew if he did, he wouldn't be able to still help her. I can only imagine what will happen with him now that she's dead. She looked pretty dead to me anyway. I knew that Walt felt truly fatherly toward Jesse. Lucky for Jesse! If he didn't, Walt would figure out a way to get rid of him. Also Jesse has never personally threatened Walt. They are TRUEBLU friends forever (like the way I worked you in on that Tru?). All you guys who are saying that you're dissapointed in the show now because Walt has become less sypathetic? Are you nuts? He's murdered and is responsible for keeping thousands of people hooked on Meth. He's not so empathetic to begin with people. Cancer or no cancer. He'll help to kill hundreds as opposed to accepting charity to cure his cancer? Get a grip guys. I felt sorry for Tony Soprano too, he had issues and family problems and still kept murdering away. He even felt bad about a few of them, but hey business and family comes first. RIght? Also as for the Ep. 12 photo's it says that the guy in the car with Walt is Giancarlo Esposito, its not, but I've seen that guy everywhere. Who is he?
Did a little research and his name is Jonathan Banks, he's been in over 100 television shows.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0052186/
You can see who's all in episode 13, ABQ here.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1232248/
zuleya-
well, Don didn't make Walt do anything. Don said never to give up on those you love and it made Walt think he could do more with Jesse. It wasn't as if they ever realized they were talking about the same people. I think it was excellent the way they wrote it like this.
John22-
Why would Jesse kill Donald? Donald isn't at fault for Jane's death. If anything, it would be the other way around. Donald would blame Jesse for getting his little girl involved with drugs again. He blames Jesse, and tries to kill him and then kills himself. But Jesse isn't going to go after Donald unless he goes after him first. No reason to.
A close call for Jesse in so many ways. We didn't really know much about Jane's personality in the few scenes she had, but boy, got a pretty good preview of the kind of person she was in "Phoenix".
A liar, manipulator, user and blackmailer who was greedy and dictatorial. She could switch on the babydoll sweetness and then turn ice cold to get what she wanted from Donald, Walt or Jesse. If she had lived, how soon do you think that pattern would've emerged with Jesse? Under the influence of the drugs - pretty quick.
When Jane was rapidly switching gears in her behavior with whomever she was dealing with, watch the expressions on Jesse's face. Sometimes he looked surprised, ashamed, incredulous, and momentarily turned off. I think Jesse was getting a real education about her character that day, and in his less drugged out moments was getting some bad feelings about Jane. But then he'd get caught up in her enthusiastic babbling, and be Mr. Go-Alonger. He would'nt have fared well with her for very long.
Jesse is principled - he doesn't lie and he keeps his word above all else unless something drastic happens which prevents him.
Jane already had a decade of lying to people (her Dad and probably many others), and using them. So, had Jesse continued with her, he might have not lived very long, but he also would have lost any character he had.
Tsatigirl said "When we saw the carryout Pollo containers Hank brought to the Whites poolside I think I read too much into it. I'm thinking that Hank knows Gus and that maybe Gus is an informant or helps the DEA in small ways as a cover for his larger drug enterprise"
Yeah, I think you are reading way too much into it too.
Hank doesn't know Gus. Hank likes food and Hank discovered a chicken place that is going to give KFC a run for its money as he said. He just likes the food. I had Dunkin Donuts yesterday or the day before. I don't know the owner of that branch or any Dunkin Donuts franchises at all. I just eat there. Hank is just eating at the chicken place too.
I sure liked the actor that played Jane's father. He was very, very good. Just the right touch of gullibility and weakness over his daughter, and paternal love. Really great.
I think it is totally plausible that Walt and Donald ended up at the same bar. Even though Albuquerque is a fairly large city, it is still a small town at heart. There are plenty of times when I've been away from the city for a long period of time then go home for a visit and run into someone I know at the weirdest places...most of all at neighborhood bars. Albuquerque is divided into quadrants (NE, SE, SW, NW) and large neighborhood sections, like the South Valley (home to Tuco [and my mom!]), the North Valley, the Heights (home to Hank and Marie), the West Side, Martineztown, Country Club (where Jesse's auntie lived), Old Town, Nob Hill, University area (where Jesse/Jane apartment is located), etc. One just needs to frequent an area, become familiar with it, and voila! you become part of that small town. That's why I like Albuquerque so much.
I woke up this morning thinking a lot about last night's show. What really hit me is the thinking that the answer is money, and that human life can be equated in terms of the almighty dollar sign.
I thought about Walt and how his initial premise that since he was dying, he needed to leave his family in a position where money wouldn't be an issue. When really, what he should have been thinking is that the time he has left on this earth is much more valuable to his family than any amount of money he could amass. He missed this opportunity to build "family wealth" and lasting memories but instead has decided to chase the almighty dollar and look where it has led.
Even last night's show was about how little Jane's life equated to the almighty dollar. Jane got lost in the mania of thinking that a bag full of money could save her life. It didn't.
And this money mania will only continue to cut a path of destruction throughout all the lives it touches. Until someone finally decides that really the value of human life is LIFE itself: how we love and care for ourselves and others, how we love and care for our communities (whether they be a home, a neighborhood, a city, our Mother Earth).
I think there is nothing more grounding than having a newborn child share its magic with you. That's what babies do. And when Walt was lying on the bed with his daughter on his chest, he was realizing that real truth to humanity, that the value of human life is LIFE itself. Holly's little baby heart was beating humanity back into his shallow soul, but instead, he decided to equate this moment back into the stacks of Benjamins behind the insulation in the garage, because this is what he can do. This is how he can provide. He totally missed the boat. This to me was truly the saddest moment of the whole show.
My life has been a long strange trip indeed, and I can say I have lived through the highest of highs and lowest of lows. We can all say that, I'm sure. There are way worse things than being without money, a home, a car, a college fund. Heck, I've lived most of my life one paycheck away from disaster. But, the one thing I give thanks for every day is the love in my life...my children, my family, my dog...all those things that make life worth living.
To quote another favorite movie: " A heart is not judged by how much you love; but by how much you are loved by others." Money will never have a heart.
By conversequeen on May 25, 2009 10:27 AM
Walt getting all that attention on t.v. for his website is not going to be good. I'm going out on a limb, but all Tio did was watch t.v., so I'm guessing he'll see Walt on t.v. and start ringing that bell. The infamous Juarez boys will make their appearance.
Holy shit. Good one.
By tuttle300 on May 25, 2009 10:38 AM
These two personalities share the same body and it's interesting watching the actor juggle both personalities as each circumstance arises
Bring on season 3 so we can watch this volcano erupt!
Hell yeah.
Hank knows food ;) he doesn't know Gus
My thoughts/observations.
I really can't hate Jane, I did, but I just can't, she wasn't a bad person, it was just a tragic downfall due to the needle. She was consumed by it, and living with Jesse was like asking for it to happen too.
When Walt. Jr made that website, it was actually pretty heartbreaking for me, I thought it was just the most awesome thing a kid could do..... We don't see much of him but he really does care a lot. (reading the real one was actually pretty sad too)
It also happens to lead to a tangible way Walt can get money......
Skyler won't forgive Walt for missing the baby's birth, especially since he last delivery was obviously went rather badly....
I thought Walt showing the baby the money was creepy
I liked Jane's dad, and felt really bad for the guy. I hope he doesn't go off the deep end next episode, but he might......
Jane's dad+Walt in the bar was a good scene. (I noticed the Mars Rover being prominent) Walt really does look at Jesse as a son in ways, the father-son dynamic really is picking up steam.
Jane and Jesse talking about New Zealand "Where they filmed Lord of the Rings" As a LOTR nerd, I actually noticed something a little else, when they walk into the bedroom and see the heroin it was almost like the lure of the ring.....drawing them in.
The end was just so sad, and Walt I think thought he was doing right by Jesse.
Damn, over 250 comments already! I don't even know where to start because this was such an amazing episode, but here we go...
Well, I knew it would happen. I knew Jane would die like this. Yes, I was hoping for it for weeks, and it finally happened. I have to say I think Krysten Ritter is a horrible actress. I was almost laughing in her "dramatic" scenes with her dad. And when she was talking all breathless and high-voiced, she sounded just like Heather Graham (Rollergirl from Boogie Nights, who someone here already mentioned). But I thought her death scene was very disturbing, and she played that pretty well. As much as I hated her, it was hard to see her die like that, especially knowing that people die like that every day. I was hoping that Walt wouldn't save her, and he didn't. Like some have said, it was similar to Tony Soprano suffocating Christopher, especially since it was a relief to Walt that he wouldn't have to worry about her being a threat anymore. When Walt cried, the reason could have been one of many, or maybe a combination. One reason is that he just watched a young woman die and let it happen, another is that he thought about what it would do to Jesse (his "nephew" that he does think of as family), another is that he thought to himself that this is someone's daughter, and another could be that he realizes how far he's fallen, letting something like this happen because of his new criminal life. It was VERY brilliant foreshadowing of Janes' death when Walt put the baby on her side "In case she spits up a little". The scene with Walt and Donald at the bar was sad, and if only Donald realized that his conversation with Walt would inadvertantly lead to his own daughter's death.
Someone here made a reference to Pulp Fiction and the scene where Uma Thurman overdosed. It's weird, Jane's hairstyle always reminded me of Uma's in that movie. Coincidence?
A lot of people are saying that Walt was the "Phoenix" in this episode, and that could be, but I actually saw Jane as the Phoenix. Think about it, all the people in the rehab meeting (And that wasn't Kid Rock by the way) were talking about "rebirth", i.e. getting clean and off of drugs. That's what Jane had done, she had been reborn as a Phoenix, but when she backslid and fell back into it, her death was very similar to that of another famous person: River PHOENIX! Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it seems like she was two sides of a Phoenix (with different meanings): The positive (getting clean) and the negative (backsliding and dying like River Phoenix).
Did anyone notice all the references, and usage of, the telephone in this episode? At the very beginning, when Walt threw out his spare tire, it rolled along and then ran over an old phone sitting on the ground. Then throughout the whole episode, Walt repeatedly lied to Skyler on the phone, and lied about who was on the phone, not to mention Donald calling the cops on Jane, and many other phone usages. Not sure exactly what this means. Maybe the phone is a symbol of connection between people, since it can connect people no matter how far away they are. When Walt's spare tire hit the phone, maybe that was signifying that his lies (represented by the tire, which kept rolling faster and faster, unable to stop) are destroying the connection he has with his family.
Walt Jr. is such a good kid. He just is. I went to the actual website savewalterwhite.com, and it's so nice. Every parent should be lucky enough to have a son like him. Which makes me worry because of my next paragraph...
I'm probably totally wrong here, but my prediction of who is in the body bags is Donald and Walt Jr. What if Donald somehow finds out that Walt is connected to Jesse, and partially responsible for Jane's death? What if he sees Walt and his family on the news next week because of Walt Jr.'s website, and what if Donald goes to Walt's house to extract revenge, and what if he kills Walt Jr., either accidentally (meaning to kill Walter instead) or intentionally (making Walter feel the pain of losing a child, like he did), and then maybe Donald will kill himself. Maybe Donald will be waiting in the back of Walt's Aztec with a gun, and then for some reason, Walt Jr. gets in the car, and Donald shoots him from behind, the bullet going through Walt Jr. and through the windshield, breaking it? Of course, I'm probably totally wrong, but this scenario jumped into my head last night, especially after seeing that Walt Jr. is going to be on the news next week. A similar thing happened in the movie Pay It Forward, where Haley Joel Osment's character was interviewed on the local news, but then he was killed that day, and later in the evening, his mom watched the footage of him talking on the news. It would be so tragic if that happened, and I hope that's not the case. I don't see how the burnt stuffed animal and Walt's glasses and everything would fit into that. It looks like we'll see the burnt animal next week! The preview showed a quick clip of it floating in the pool, and someone standing there looking down at it. I couldn't tell if it was Walt or Hank. I can't wait for next Sunday!!!
For those who are unhappy about Walt letting Jane die - to fulfill the integrity of the show's concept, it was completely in character for Walt to do that. Think about it, the show is Breaking Bad - it is a character study of a person in a downward spiral. If the writers remain true to the show's intent, Walt will continue to break bad until he comes to te inevitable bad end. I love this show, the best I've ever seen!
I have noticed somewhat of a tie in with the epsiode names, that they somehow relate to the next show..
It seemd like Grilled was the one that brought it to my attention.. one can say ok Tuco grabbed them and grilled them for info, but it was bizzare that in the next show they gave Hank Tuco's grill.
Not quite sure about Mandala, which is a very intrigate sand painting that is destroyed later, could the mandala be the relationship with Jesse and Jane... with Jane to be destroyed later.. generally they toss the sand into a river.. is Jane's body going to end up in the Rio Grande? via Saul.
The phoneix, the nest and the bird are destroyed and the new one arises, is it Jesse getting off drugs, to become a partner that even Gus can trust.
Or is it Gus's main chicken ops is centered out of the city of Phoenix?
Some of the eps. yeah they are pretty much straight forward in the name.. but there is some "Grey" areas..does that "Matter" ;)
I don't think that Don will relate to Walt being the one who let his daughter die. No one know but Walt. Don will blame Jesse, but more so he will blame himself.
OFFICIAL Body count as of episode 212 - Emilio, Crazy-8, No-Doze, Gonzo, Tuco, Tortuga, 2 or 3 Mexican Federales and 1 DEA Agent, Spooge, Combo and Jane. Oh and must give respect to the poor Desert Tortoise also.
listen to the song playing at the bar, THE OUTLAWS, GREEN GRASS AND HIGH TIDES
In a place you only dream of
Where your soul is always free
Silver stages, golden curtains
Filled my head, plain as can be
As a rainbow grew round the sun
All the stars I've love who died
Came from somewhere beyond the scene you see
These lovely people played just for me
Now if I let you see this place
Where stories all ring true
Will you let me past your face
To see what's really you
It's not for me to ask these questions
As though I were a king
For you have to love, believe and feel
Before the burst of tamborines take you there
Green grass and high tides forever
Castles of stone souls and glory
Lost faces say we adore you
As kings and queens bow and play for you
Those who don't believe me
Find your souls and set them free
Those who do, believe and love
As time will be your key
Time and time again I've thanked them
For the peace of mind
They helped me find myself
Amongst the music and the rhyme
That enchants you there
Green grass and high tides forever
Castles of stone souls and glory
Lost faces say we adore you
As kings and queens bow and play for you
Yeah, they play just for you
zia-Nice "Grey Matter" reference. ;)
wow what can i say i sit here and think of what to say but wont cant wait till next week VIVA LA BB
Jane died a bit too quickly I think, why didn't they just kill her off in the last episode?
James26
Great insights to the show! I can't get with your Donald and Walt Jr. though. How would the website link Walt and Jesse togather? I thought Donald would kill Jesse then himself but we would need 3 body bags then wouldn't we? Maybe just Donald and Jane? I was wondering why after 18 months of Jane being clean Donald was still going to NA meeting with her? Could it be he is also going for himself? Most NA meeting are "closed meeting"( at least in LA) meaning you must be a addict to attend.
Could he have a drug problem in his past also?
He was in a bar drinking something on the rocks by himself. Who does that?
OMG I love this show I used to be a major tweeker and lets just say I was very high up on the cooking chain and the characters act so real and amazing. I have dated many Jesse's in my life time. That is why I am soooo profoundly in love with the show and the dynamics of the people in it . I am glad Walt let Jane eat it too. It was a hard but wise decision
Johnp22-Thanks! I don't think the website would link Walt and Jesse at all, but maybe Donald would find out some other way about their connection, especially with Walt telling him about his "nephew" in the bar. I'm probably completely wrong, but it kind of made sense to me, especially when the preview said "Donald's grief leads to tragedy".
tvland, I posted that earlier.. glad you related to who it was though... The Outlaws... kind of that Wild west thing we have out here.;)
and a quasi-spiritual song
I found it cool that once again ..key word, like last week in the flying over the bed song.
"That ""enchants"" you there"
they are getting into the Land of Enchantment
thanks James... hard to get anything past you ;)
I got to thinking about your sitcom song.. and I really think Gus needs a jingle for his meth... kind of pricey if i got my math right...
1.2m / (38*16*28)= is that $70 a gram??
Since your the lyric master .. i have a couple of melodys that might fit
the old hamms beer tune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc7HoWEk6y8
From the land of Skylar White
From the land of Heisenburg
Comes the meth that's the bomb
Blue's the meth that's the bomb
love & marriage aka as soup & sandwich
.......
my blue meth has a first name ..J-E-S-S-E
my blue meth has a second name ......
ask any meth head you happen to see, what' the best .............
and of course the rice-a-roni song ;)
work your magic James ;)
This show has some of the best tv writing I've seen. My husband got me into The Shield, and I was looking for a show to really get into. This show is like that one in many respects. The characters are complicated, who will coldly kill anyone who gets in their way, then moments later be loving, gently family members. This illustrates the duality of human nature, the good vs evil war that rages in all of us. No one in this series is "good" or "bad", they've all shown in one way or another they break the law. For those who are now crying that they can't care for the characters anymore because they've gone too far, this where they were headed. This show is not going to have a happy ending when it finishes. There will be serious karma to pay in the end. If anyone can't face that kind of an end, maybe this isn't the show for you. When The Shield ended, EVERYONE LOST, even the innocent. It was hard to take, but that was the road everyone was traveling on.
I'm not going to make any predictions about who is in those body bags, 'cus so far the writers have outfoxed us all!
The pool scene with Hank and Marie was a scream. The chicken came from Los Pollos Hermanos! Hank: what do you have, a printing press in the garage cranking out 50's? ROTFLMAO! BTW. I don't think Hank has a clue about Gus' operation. He's not as good a cop as his bosses think he is and he knows it. He fell ass backwards into finding Tuco. Then the panic attacks, feeling haunted by Tucos grill, then that fiasco in El Paso, yeah, he knows he's reached his Peter Principle point.
There will be serious friction between Walt and Ted. Walts sense of manhood and pride will prod Heisenberg into putting Ted in his place like he did Hank. Wonder how that will play out.
Doesn't get heavier than this. Walt tearing up listening to his baby girl being sung to sleep and then letting tears slip out as he watches another's baby girl going in for the BIG sleep. Sledgehammer-time.
And, kudos to the producers for linking SAVEWALTERWHITE's website to a real cancer charity. Well done in the afterfunk of America's fascination with greed.. 1 2 GO
Of course Walter had to let Jane choke on her vomit. After her threats, his freedom and his family were at stake. I will miss Krysten as she is a cutie. They did a good job making Jane look strung out near the end. This hour goes by way too fast. Seems like five minutes! :) I think that there are posters on here with different ID's that have conversations with themseleves. They must have different ISP's as well or else they would have been booted.
Hey guys and gals. Man, what an episode! I loved the interaction between Walt and Donald at the bar. It was quite poignant when Walt realized how much like family Jesse had indeed become to him. I don't think that he intended for Jane to die but his inaction led to her death. Thus her blood is somewhat on his hands. I know that Walt was in a really difficult situation and Jane probably would have ended up dead soon anyway on the course she was on. Still, this is further proof of Walt's alter-ego Heisenberg coming out. One could argue that the true Walt is still very much a part of who he is though or he could have killed Jesse. I believe Jesse has become more and more like a son to Walt though and it pains him greatly to see him on this destructive path, I pray that Jesse losing Jane will be a serious wake up call to him and he gets back on course.
I'm off work today and using brother's computer so I better go for now. Talk to you later guys. Special shout out to the Real Combo, James 26, Jamm54, Laz and all my other BB buds : )
anyone catch that Walt was "learning " about elephants on TV, and elephants happen to be very close knit and have tight family groups.They also are know to be very affected by the loss a family member.
zia-I love it! Great songs. Keep it up! :)
Slygirl-Sorry you couldn't stick around longer! Hope to see you more soon. E-mail me! :)
Very interesting about the elephants....I hadn't thought of that. Just another example of how awesome the writers are, working at so many different levels...
James26- Now that I think of it, Walt jr and Donald in the bags makes sense to me. I can see Donald somehow linking Walt to Jesse, and in a drunken state of mind take out Walt jr and himself, to make Walt feel the pain of losing a sibling. Wouldn't that be sad, that by Walt 'saving' his 'nephew' Jesse by letting Jane die, he loses his actual son Walt jr.
Do AMC writers have an issue with the name "Jane"? In Mad Men, Jane was a homewrecker, a problem to Joan, and she was Sterling's main reason for accepting the merger with the British, which may or may not have been a good idea. In Breaking Bad, Jane was a blackmailing junkie who came between Jesse and Walt's partnership and introduced Jesse to the needle and heroin.
Also, I never knew that about elephants.
I shed a tear for Walt and Jesse at Jane's death...junkie, i thought she could have done a lot better then that in the end.
I was wondering what the significance of the elephants was...that's really interesting. I hope it's not foreshadowing a member of Walt's family being killed. :(
Skinny-I really hope Walt Jr. isn't killed, but that scenario made th emost sense to me!
i missed the episode last night does anyone know where i can find it to watch it on the internet?
Hey Trublue, thanks for the actor info. I forgot about going to IMDB. I'm getting senile in my old age. Skottey, the reason I don't collect dvd's is because I collected a bunch of vhs tape's that are now obsolete. I'm also broke. Netflix seems like a reasonable alternative for now. Although I did order the Pirate's porn movie and Netflix cut all the good stuff out of it. Why they even offered it is beyond me. The podcast with Vince is finally out now. The pic of Walt and Skylar on the Savewalt website is too funny.
JANE! We knew it!
When I saw the baby getting that rolled towel behind it's back, and then Jane explaining to Jesse about being on your side after shooting up. Wow!
Walt and Don together! Having the same feelings about the couple. Don=Jane, Walt=Jesse.
Then, when Walt practiced benign neglect with Jane, and let her die, I could see in Walt's face the transformation of Walt to Heisenberg. It was great! I was going thru the same feelings: choking girl, I could save her, wait! She is my grief! I will wait, and she did die. Bye Bye New Zealand!. Bye bye Jesse's new life.
Thank Goodness!. I hope Walt wiped his prints off of the syringe, and took back the money. This is now a crime scene.
WT-fuck! Walt showing his baby girl his "accomplishment". Is that all he is proud of?
I wanted to log on last night before the many posts, but I thought that would be too, too.
Whoa!
This show certainly has it's twists...!!!
I can't believe Walt with allow Jane to die, he has too much humanity in him! The previews with Jane in a body bag maybe a flash-forward 'conscious' scene in the next episode as Walt finds a pic of Jane and her Dad in a wallet or on Jesses' cellphone, or perhaps her Dad shows up at the duplex too.
Jane is too interesting of a character to kill off, and personally I like her bum too.
With all we have seen from Walt being a loving husband/Father with a new baby girl, and a caring high school teacher, letting Jane die as he watched would ultimately spoil any further shows for me.
Very powerful episode. The final scene with Walt watching as Jane choked to death was as intense a moment as I've ever seen on any show I ever watched. I'm interested to see how the Walt/Jane's dad relationship plays out, and as has been mentioned, whether or not he'll be in the body bag.
Whoa!
This show certainly has it's twists...!!!
I can't believe Walt with allow Jane to die, he has too much humanity in him! The previews with Jane in a body bag maybe a flash-forward 'conscious' scene in the next episode as Walt finds a pic of Jane and her Dad in a wallet or on Jesses' cellphone, or perhaps her Dad shows up at the duplex too.
Jane is too interesting of a character to kill off, and personally I like her bum too.
With all we have seen from Walt being a loving husband/Father with a new baby girl, and a caring high school teacher, letting Jane die as he watched would ultimately spoil any further shows for me.
Whoa!
This show certainly has it's twists...!!!
I can't believe Walt with allow Jane to die, he has too much humanity in him! The previews with Jane in a body bag maybe a flash-forward 'conscious' scene in the next episode as Walt finds a pic of Jane and her Dad in a wallet or on Jesses' cellphone, or perhaps her Dad shows up at the duplex too.
Jane is too interesting of a character to kill off, and personally I like her bum too.
With all we have seen from Walt being a loving husband/Father with a new baby girl, and a caring high school teacher, letting Jane die as he watched would ultimately spoil any further shows for me.
So, intro to episode 10...
* Men in hazmat suits
* Pink stuffed animals has scorch marks on it
* Glasses being put in evidence bag are bent up and missing a lens, other lens is shattered
* Bag of crayons, Other bag a cell phone?
* Everything all wet, seems pretty obvious was removed from pool
Seems like there was an explosion in the house...
* Walt's car is in the driveway. It's covered in dirt with the exception of the frost passenger window. The windshield appears to have bullet holes in it.
Could he have been driving in the desert? Why?
Two body bags in the driveway. One on right appears to be a heavyset body and one on the left is considerbly smaller in size.
I was thinking of the Cartel and the new (extremely cautious) buisness partner when they introduced the " Savewalterwhite.com" website. That would be a lot of unwanted publicity and he isn't exactly a kingpin yet.
i missed the episode last night does anyone know where i can find it to watch it on the internet
james,
your better with da words... i got the melodies
is it sunday yet ;)
again the pool scene.. it's really looks like a watch.. oh digital is so fun.. it's looks to be at 12:00 or 1:00
so who wears a square watch with chamfered corners and a light colored band??
got to go look at some wrists
That was a great episode! I was not happy that Jane died though. You could see the noticeable change in Walt in the last few episodes...he was turning into Heisenberg. Jane's death is going to turn Jesse into a full blown junkie and the series will probally loose its levity. Without the levity its going to be another OZ or some other show that is too dark. I think Jesse will be left to deal with everything going to hell in the next episode cuz Walts going to be in surgery. I deffinetly think the save Walter White foundation is going to F*** them royaly. Jane's dad knowing Walt isn't good either. Isn't it "coincidental" that the drugs are out of Jesse's house now and possibly all the money? Oh and the explossion could be a meth explossion....
You have to love a show that allows the lead character to stand there and do nothing while he watches a young girl choke to death on her own vomit – how many shows would do that?
You won’t be seeing that on ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX anytime soon.
Great acting, superb writing and excellent direction all combine to make this one kick-ass –can’t miss-can’t guess what’s going to happen next – show.
Applause all around.
Having said that, a few predictions:
Based on the preview for next week, Jane’s body bag is black; the ones in the driveway are white (hint-hint). My best guess: Walt, Jr. and his aunt (Skylar’s sister) are home babysitting when the new hot water heater (Walter installed half assed) explodes and kills them (never cared for the sister in law, but people are going to be bullshit when Walt Jr. gets blown to bits). Walter, Sr is off cleaning up another ‘Jesse Mess’ and Skylar is off having a fling with the boss when this happens. Guilt abounds. Walt missed his daughter’s birth because of a drug deal and misses his son’s death because of a dead drug addict. The burnt pink teddy bear symbolizes Walt, Jr - and the haz-mat guys are there because of the ‘debris’ after the explosion (hence the car being demolished). Hank, out of work for ‘emotional leave’ because of the death of his wife (and co-workers, previously) stumbles onto Jesse’s trail and starts getting closer to Walter (Heisenberg) day by day. Jesse is melting down because Jane is dead, his money is missing (Walter took it back for safekeeping), and Jane’s father is looking for his missing daughter (he doesn’t know she’s dead, yet) and Hank has stumbled onto some local blue meth and is starting to connect it to Jesse. Finally, the show ends with the now dead Walt Jr. paying tribute to his dad via the video taped news piece before the explosion. Tears flood from the eyes of BB fans everywhere.
The set up for next season:
Walter and Skylar’s disintegrating family, marriage, physical and mental health
Lies, guilt, illegal activity and infidelity abound
They all pay for their deceit and deception in the most valuable currency they have: their loved ones
Hank becomes a one man drug hunter
Jesse sinks further into drugs and catches Hank’s eye
Gus, the drug lord/chicken king starts killing off Jesse’s crew with sights on Jesse himself
Walter becomes a ‘consultant’ to Gus’s ‘cooking’ operation in the basement of one of the chain stores, trying to figure where his life took such an awful and deadly turn. He never gets to spend the money (it got burned up in the explosion).
Final thought: The series should end with Walter dying in Jesse’s arms, pleading with him to leave drugs and make something of himself. Amazingly, Jesse does. Flash forward 5 years and it’s Jesse, clean and sober, flush with all his cash, now the new ‘Gus – the Chicken King ‘– all a big front for his now sizable drug operation.
This show is just dark enough to try something like that. Thankfully.
I bet at the end of the episode Jesse finds out Walt was there and let Jane die.
Comments from talking with my wife: the body bags on the driveway are white, ep13 preview last night showed a glimpse of Jane being zipped into a black body bag.
As Walter is watching Jane die, we hear a car outside. Is it Jane's dad driving up, or just a car driving by?
The preview photo's for ep 13 show a "Gus" in a car with Walt that looks like the pro cleaner we see in the preview shown after ep 12. Maybe the Gus that Walt met in ep 11 isn't really kingpin of the operation? Seems strange that there would be two Gus's, and not likely that there would be a mistake on the ep 13 preview photo's on the website?
The title for ep 13 is "ABQ", so are people coming and/or going from Albuquerque Airport? Skylar could be leaving with the baby, after hearing Walt say he has two cell phones. Not sure if any of the Mexican drug cartel would be flying into ABQ, unless via a private plane...
With the preview for ep 13 showing Walt helping Jessie after Jessie's "big personal loss", this must happen before Walt's operation because Walt should be out of commission for several days or weeks. Unless, Skylar asks Walt more about the two cell phones and then leaves in anger, and Walt leaves the hospital before the operation to follow her.
Need to rest my brain, too many thoughts about how this will end up....
Well, now that Walt has enough money for his family and his operation, will he quit? That would be the only way that he could possibly redeem himself at this point in the game. I somehow don't think so. I hope not. It would be too boring to see the old Walt come back. Besides, he's now way too addicted to the power and money he's gained.
Hi. I'm new to the board, but not to the show. I watched the first season over just a couple of days when AMC aired the marathon a few months back, and I've watched this season episode by episode with great interest. The show is head and shoulders above any other series on now...or maybe ever.
Sunday nights were especially rewarding when "Big Love" was on and the viewer could enjoy back-to-back Aaron Paul. I was really impressed when I first realized that was him on both shows in such very different roles. Great actor.
But right now I want to talk about Bryan Cranston and that much-discussed scene last night when Jane died. The way I interpreted it, Walt could see she was in trouble and still hadn't decided whether to help her or not, when suddenly it was over and he knew she was dead. I thought it was wonderful acting, how he conveyed his different emotions - White vs. Heisenberg- with no words, just his face. One of the most poignant aspects of this show is how one bad decision (or lack of a decision) snowballs into more and more trouble that you couldn't foresee. And this was one more example in this tangled web.
Wow, what an episode! Jane dying at the end really caught me off guard. She seemed like a good candidate for next week. Kudos to the writers for an incredible episode! Combo last week, then they up the ante with Jane this week. It certainly looks like two people die next week. I think at least one of them will be a major character. It would seem like a bit of a let down if it was two minor characters that the audience isn't invested in.
One more thought on next week. I expect that someone will find out about Walt's drug business, and they won't be happy. Walt has gone to great lengths to keep his secrets. Certainly letting Jane die has raised the stakes in that department. He will probably be able to keep his knowledge of Jane's death a secret, but maybe someone finds the money at the house, or recognized Walt's face on the website.
Lol zia, okay, here's some new BB songs based on the melodies you suggested. I don't think my lyrics are too great, but this is what I came up with:
To the tune of "Love and Marriage":
Walt and Jesse
Walt and Jesse
Slinging crystal and things get messy
This I tell ya, tweaker
You can't cook meth without a beaker
Walt and Jesse
Walt and Jesse
They will mess you up if they get testy
Ask Emilio and Krazy-8
They crossed their path and now they're shark bait
Try, try, try to steal meth from them
You will end up dead
Try, try, try and take a look at what happened
To Spooge's head
Walt and Jesse
Walt and Jesse
Slinging crystal and things get messy
Try with all your might
You can't cook meth,
You can't cook meth,
You can't cook meth like
Walter White!
And now the Rice-A-Roni song:
Meth from Heisenberg
The Albuquerque treat
Meth from Heisenberg
The blue stuff can't be beat
One RV packed with methalymine
Those tweakers want to make the scene
Meth from Heisenberg
The Albuquerque treat!
Lol, let me know what you think!
How wonderful to finally find some people as into this show as I am. Its absolutely amazing.
I just wanted to make a comment about the moral aspect of these characters, and peoples judgements of them. Some seem to think that the characters are not worth caring about if they become excessively bad, and some rationalize the decisions and behaviors of Walt and Jesse.
What I think is genius about the show is how it challenges the viewers. What I've come to is neither rationalizing what they do, nor judging it, but simply watching and learning about human behavior. Just as I care about friends and family who have done bad things without ever once saying what they did was OK. We are all trained to think a "good person" is to be liked, and "bad person" isn't. But what makes the difference? and what is also so genius about this show is that it reveals how everyone, to some extent is a little dirty.
Walt/Heizenburg is a deeply, deeply flawed man, and yes, a coward. He feels like he was always living in fear and now he isnt, but his actions, allowing a girl to choke to death for his own purposes reveals that he is still a very scared man. And that is why he seeks recognition for what he has done. Jesse, even though seeming much more flawed than Walt, is actually more moral. Every death has weighed on him heavily, and to be honest, if not for Walt he probably never would have ended up doing much else than cooking up some meth, banging broads and playing PS3. A large part of Walts loyalty to Jesse is a guilty conscious.
Again, that is the genius of the show. All these perfectly human, tragic people, yet they are, in many ways, all beautiful. The show shows how we all end up corrupted by our own lifes trajectory. How our fears rule us, even when we think we are being brave. Or, as I tell my friends all the time- "no-one gets out of here clean, nobody"
The actors on this show are amazing. All of them. Bryan, of course is pure genius. The actor they get to play the bit parts- Tuco, Saul, etc are simply awesome. I thought Tuco was one of the most entertaining drug dealers ever portrayed, and Saul....well....Saul is just absolute pleasure to watch.
This is the most challenging show I have ever seen. It pushes your buttons, pushes your patience, pushes you to a greater understanding and it pushes you to the edge of your seat, then bitch slaps you right at the end and makes you wait for a week to go through it all over again.
BEST SHOW EVER
Hard Marker-I loved your predictions! That would be kind of a funny ending if Jesse becamse the new Gus, lol. Personally, though, I hope at the end of the series, Jesse gets out of the drug world for good and tries to make something better of himself.
Hobbes, I completely agree with everything you said! And I also loved Tuco. He was the most entertaining drug dealer I've ever seen. I love Saul too. He always makes me laugh and adds a good dose of humor when things get too heavy. :)
Alexis said about Jane's death that "the creepiest part was that she seemed to be looking right at Walt when she gurgled her last breath." I noticed that, too. Cold freakin' chills. My best friend's nephew died just like that. Choked on his own hurl after using. Wasn't heroin in his case, but methadone. He was using it trying to get off the crystal. His brother came into his room to wake him up for work and found him. We live in a small town, but lemme tell you, the cops were all over his brother. They gave him a choice to go into rehab or to jail. Happily, he went to rehab and is now clean, going to school, with a wife and two kids. Not a day goes by he doesn't think about his brother, though. They were best friends and did everything together, including drugs.
I wasn't crazy about Jane, either. But I think she was just a sad, screwed-up kid. With a very manipulative side, true. Her dad has been heartbreaking to watch, and I'm sure, will continue to be.
Lots of people have commented on the humor in this episode. One of my favorites was when Jesse awas complaining about how Walt always treated him "like his dentured servant." That one killed me.
How about "Down will come baby cradle and all" for an explaination of the contents of the body bag episode. Walt, Jr. and the baby die in a retaliation from - pick a group they abound on at least five scores.
Walt & Skylar are left childless from the explosion and all Walt's drug production efforts are for naught. Walt goes into remission from a sucessful lumpectomy but serves out his remaining years behind bars. Skylar and Ted get caught and they end up behind bars. Jesse gets caught a second time around on a number of charges and he does serious time.
Then you have the Gray Matter couple who can't possibly have just flat walked away from Walt as he has some serious explaning left to do and Grey Matter has plenty of funds to hire whoever/whatever it takes to discover what Walt is up to along with the inclination to do so [Gretchen ain't happy with the way the whole situation went down when she talked with Walt & Skylar and she's no dummy and an inquisitive soul who cares(d) about Walt] - couldn't figure if she is more concerned about Walt or Skylar. Maybe the PI doing the investigation for Grey Matter decides to blackmail Walt & Jesse? Maybe the PI is the same PI that Saul hired.
Hank gets wasted by the cartel and he and the ABQ DEA never even figured in on Walt and Jesse always a step or two behind the game. Hank and company become a sad commentary on the state of drug enforcement in the southwest. Gus goes on like he ever did and Donald lives out the rest of his life wondering what he could have done diferently to save Jane. If Jane died Donald will turn to Jesse for revenge and that will have to sort out in the near future maybe next year. Unless Donald as some suspect has a shadow existence yet to be revealed. He seems to have gotten fairly well acquainted with a number of addicts in the support group over the years and so knows how to navigate the ABQ drug scene.
I thought the symbolism of Jessie's back supported by a rolled up towel as was the baby was shear genius on the part of the writer's. Knew about elephant family group social behaviour but never equated that with what was going on. Walts a thinker so it is probably relevant but we will probably never get confirmation on that score-make of it what you will.
I can't figure why Walt is leaving all his fingerprints and paraphenalia all over the place [tire from his car at the site of the deal] - he shouldn't be that stupid/careless after getting grilled by Hank about the chemical mask found by the DEA off road and traced to the Wynne HS and Walt's Chemistry class equipment inventory plus the missing flasks. Since Walt has recently since hooked up with Gus, Walt is definetly not thinking clearly and now accuses Jesse of the same thing. Neither one of them are thinking clearly only Saul has it together for the most expedient course of action in the whole group. Funny, it was Jesse who expressly told Walt what they needed was a "CRIMINAL attorney" - Jesse's street smarts or one big mistake. Saul has come through for the two so far though so we gotta give him credit for that.
Even money on whether Jesse cleans up his act as I think he is not addicted more recreational than addicted exampled by his earlier ability to return home to dry out for a couple days. He could probably quit cold turkey if given the right motivation. I think I've only seen him use on rejection/isolation but rarely if ever because he had to.
Surprised to hear some posts think Sweet Jane still has a shot at a comeback at Walt's intervention.
Most of the characters are equally deficient on diferent levels and so my thinking here is back to "down will come baby cradle and all".
OMG, Jane was Sooooooo Hot, I was looking forward to seeing her every week and mikeisapro I know exactly what you mean! :(
Did anyone else crack up when Walt told Jesse to pee in the cup and Jesse said "How gay are you? Seriously!" I don't know why, but that made me laugh.
Weeya and Hobbes -- Love your insight!
It's been 11 yrs. since my last baby was born and I still remember with great detail how sweet it is to just lie around with the baby on your chest. Although Donald's baby was 27 yrs. old, he still remembered her as newborn, filled with promise. Of course he couldn't give up on her!
Although I found it a little creepy about Walt showing Holly the money and saying, "Look what Daddy did for you!", it's just one of those goofy little things you do when you have a newborn. She's the only one in his family he could tell and she wouldn't be judgmental. It was also interesting Walt was hiding money where either Skyler or Walt Jr. could find it, but he knew they wouldn't look. He's secure in his knowledge that they won't find it. Then too, when he lies and says he's unable to find newborn diapers while out shopping...he knows Skyler isn't going to tell him to get the larger size and just come home. What new mother would do that? He knows her too well.
I'm pretty well appalled that Walt let Jane die. Judging from his tears, I think he is, too, but it had to happen. Walt needs Jesse back to his old self and the death of Jane was pretty much the only way to accomplish this.
I see a few people are suspecting the new hot water heater as the cause of the two people's death next week. Since the hot water heater has been mentioned in at least two episodes and they spent basically one full episode with Walt working on it, I can see how you might draw the conclusion that the heater explodes, or maybe a gas leak from Walt's work leads to the explosion, but... in the three "teady bear of doom" foreshadowing scenes I haven't seen an actual damage to the White's house, at least on the exterior (if I missed something, please let me know).
In the most recent foreshadowing all the windows in Walts car appear broken or at least badly damaged, but the car body looked okay. Maybe some sort of explosion happens in the car, enough to kill two people and damage the windows, yet not total the car.
I'm more confused after this week's episode as to who the two bodies are. Maybe Hank and someone who comes looking to kill Walt? Does Walt Jr. website and TV interview tip off someone that Heisenberg has crossed and lead them to the White's house?
raculfright said "Jane died a bit too quickly I think, why didn't they just kill her off in the last episode?"
Not at all. The writers know what the hell they are doing. You have no inkling of what lies ahead next week to say that they should have done it in the last episode. Don't you think S2E13 is going to be a cliffhanger that is jam packed with material? I trust the writers over your opinion.
If you ask me and a handful of others, the death of Jane came too late. Like the other poster mentioned, she really is a horrible actress. I hope she is reading this along with any production companies that are thinking of casting her. That fucking haircut is horrible too.
I actually think she should be in porn. With all the men jerking off to Breaking Bad over this cunt, a show that isn't even about the sex, she would probably sell some smut. I personally as a guy do not find her attractive. Sure, she has a pretty good body but you can take the face and hair and cover it with a paper bag for all it is worth. She ain't all that.
If somebody asked me what I like least about Breaking Bad i would say first that it is not on a premium channel and some stuff is cut from the broadcast (see the DVD if you want to know what) and secondly, "the introduction and storyline of Jane." I think it more so bothers me the infatuation with her on this message board. If I didn't read this and get other people's opinions, I would probably be OK with her to an extent. But they did overdo her screen time. Bad actress, bad part of the storyline. 'nough said.
jesse's girl said "I bet at the end of the episode Jesse finds out Walt was there and let Jane die."
Care to elaborate on how? That makes no sense. He was wasted and out like a light. Last time around Walt had left 4 voicemails, and that is the ONLY way Jesse knew Walt took the drugs. Walt is certainly not going to tell him "I came to have an "uncle-nephew" chat and watched your girlfriend die."
Come on now. How on earth would he find out Walt was there? There is no significance in that being a part of a the storyline. So why?
MHJim said "Comments from talking with my wife: the body bags on the driveway are white, ep13 preview last night showed a glimpse of Jane being zipped into a black body bag."
What does this have to do with anything?
The bodybags in Walt's driveway certainly have nothing to do with Jane. She died in Jesse's apartment, so why would they be in Hazmat suits with Jane being one of the bodies at Walt's house? That is nonsensical. The bodybags are clearly two different people. For anybody thinking it might be Jane and Jesse, that was certainly ruled out after S2E12. I thought that went without saying. Please tell us why you would think Jane's body would end up as 1 of 2 bodies at Walt's house after she died in Jesse's apartment of a drug overdose?
James26
LOVE your lyrics.
They make me laugh myself silly.
Thanks Dude!
great lycs James :)
I did notice that Skylar does wear a square watch , sort of like the one in the evidence bag.
Walt wears a digital, looks like it has a jillion fucntions.. guess if youe brain is the size of Wi. you need that ;)
Hank -digital,.. Jesse, Saul, Don... round
Ted, Maria, Gus .. couldn't tell
I noticed also, those aren't bullet holes in Walts car,
they are more like factures when someone inside hits the window. The car doesn't looked very dented up tho.
the reflection in the pool shows the sliding glas door intact and when the haz-mat guys are up front , there is also a relection of one of the front windows. I think it kind of rules out hot water heater explosion or gas leak explosion.
A weird thing is that Walt jr. is passed the crayon stage and Hollie is now where near it.. so is this further down the road
Skottey: Count me in as guilty as being somewhat infatuated with Jane's hotness. I won't deny it, but once she started Jesse mainlining, I was immediately turned off, hot lips and all. And the really big turnoff was the way she had all these big plans laid out for her and Jesse as soon as Walt brought the money over. How cool was that when she real greedy-like went to grab the bag of cash from Walt, and he jerked it away from her and just said "Jesse"! She just had this "What the FUCK?" look plastered all over her face! I would've LOVED to see her make a grab like that to Tuco! He would've buried that huge bowie knife in her skull...
I get the feeling I know where Amc got the bags
http://www.bodybag.org/vinyleconomy.htm
first hit on yahoo ;)
ToDieFor.biz
curved zipper style..
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Yes Sir Mr. James26 that cracked me up too. It was Classic Jesse. Just an instant reaction, not thinking on his feet that it was for a drug test.
It's also telling of Jesse's psyche. Low self esteem, that anybody would actually care about him as a person, and not as a tool. Unconsciously he accepts Walt as a father figure, his phone call to Walt when he found the kitchen empty: Yell at me etc. He expected and actually needed a parental reaction from Walt. How long before he realizes consciously that Walt loves and accepts him like his own son, is one of the great dramatic teasers of the story.
A couple of lines go lost in my last post. I was referring to james26 asking if the "How gay are You, seriously" line cracked anyone else up.
Jane did have a surprisingly nice ass. And she was pretty too. Well if you look Krysten Ritter up she used to model before she got into acting.
DJ Jedi wrote in part:
"It certainly looks like two people die next week. I think at least one of them will be a major character. It would seem like a bit of a let down if it was two minor characters that the audience isn't invested in."
My, my! If we as the audience have become that bloodthirsty, then perhaps WE are Breaking Bad:-)
Walt did kill Jane- she had been on her side to avoid choking -he moved her onto her back.
In a way he saved her-
She didn't have any hope after deciding to let Jesse move in. When Jesse and Walt were in the broken down trailor dying in the desert and the other junkie got lost-you could just see Jane coming-still like wonderwoman-if Jessie had only called on her-if Jesse had only supported her in her meetings-if Jesse had only not degraded her for not using- but mostly she killed herself when she started using the needle-so in a way Walt saved her-because she had become a monster-and heroine don't love anybody-ever-although they are adept at fooling others like Jane fooled her dad by tapping into his belief that she still had emotions-believing that Jane was still there-wonderwoman and not junkie jane.
We don't know her character as well as Jesse, but she was just further along the same road that he has already been walking.
I almost cried back when she first held Jesses hand- she wanted to save him. Nothing was going to stop Jesse from his meth. So who, really, is selfish.
I think Walt let her die because he missed the birth of his daughter. She was in the way.
Just rewatched this episode and noticed Jonathan Banks in the previews for next week. I think this means that BB has officially taken the television lead in number of old bald white guys in one episode.
LOL @ sweetposey. Good one.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1232248/
Skotty - in earlier posts one thought was that the two bodies would be Jane and her dad. Dad comes to get Jane for rehab in the morning and finds her dead, goes crazy with Jessie, and Jessie ends up killing him, too. Jessie calls Walt for help and the two bodies end up in Walts car. Walts car ends up near the (explosion) crime scene, and the cops find the two bodies in Walts car while investigating the explosion, and they put Jane and her dad in the white body bags. This is a stretch, but one (very slim) possibility. If Jane is shown being put into a black body bag, it makes her being one of the bodies in the white bag less possibe.
One other thought (not to do with body bags) is that the synopsis for ep 12 says something like "Walt watches as Jane becomes still". Maybe Jane doesn't die; the writers have been great at pointing us in one direction at the end of a show, and then taking us in another direction at the start of the next show.
sweetposey I missed Jesse's dentured servant remark. Oh gawd, Jesse can peel off those one liners and one word answers as well as Skinny Pete.
A wire?
How 'bout a robot?
bush pilot
How Aaron Paul is able to deliver some these lines with a straight face is beyond me. LOL. Emmy time anyone?
I had to DVR this episode. 24 hours after it airs and 320+ comments. Might be some kind of record!
Each episode of this show has either left me with anger, dread, anticipation, hunger, or horrifying heartburn.
This episode made me almost vomit.
And I keep coming back.
My new favorite quote from the show: "ZOMBIES."
To "The Real Combo", you should give "Breaking Bad" inspired tours of ABQ, much like "The Real Kramer" gives "Seinfeld" inspired tours of NYC. (Kennykramer.com)
Bonus points if you can score a beat-up 30 year old Winnebago to transport your tourists!
One problem: I'm not sure grandmothers in suburban midwestern locales would be up for taking their grandchildren to see the place Spooge and his Skank called "home".
Love the show, love reading your comments each week even if I do want to bitch slap a few of you, I guess you can't all be "no mo dopers', and thankfully not. Excuse me if I've missed this somewhere but has anybody mentioned the short conversation Walt and Hank had at the side of the pool about the sonar alarm? If someone fell in, an alarm would go off? Spending most of my life in AZ & NV, kid drownings in pools are nearly weekly occurrences in summer, unfortunately. That entire Walt-Hank conversation was strange to me...if someone fell in and set the alarm off it would probably be too late. I flashed on the one eyed bear right then.
Thanks AMC for killing off Jane....I hope that ends the heroin storyline. "Phoenix" hit a little too close to home for me, in more ways than one. I understand how people behave in ways which are not themselves while being controlled by drugs. Walt is fascinating to me, as this is no drug I have known that controls him. He went from Heisenberg to Walt holding his newborn baby, to semi-dad for Jesse. In those last few seconds I'm unsure if it were 100% of either Walt or Heisenberg that let Jane die. I know that if Walt would not have shook Jesse, Jane would not have rolled on her back and would not have choked on her own vomit. He could have saved her. But his priority was always to save Jesse, which meant letting Jane die. I think FEAR was more in control in those final seconds than Walt or Heisenberg. I thought I actually saw Malcomb's dad for a minute. (and I watched it twice just to see that "look")
Not for any love of the character, but for my intense love of BB, my surprise at the events and probably because of many years ago of my deeply buried memories, those last 60 seconds had me gritting my teeth, tears running down my face, fingernails dug into my palms and stomach in knots. Thanks AMC!
I just now watched this episode. Love the show, of course. What a test the writers have thrown at their audience.
Walt has crossed the line. He has become the villain of the piece. He indirectly/directly killed someone and watched them die when he could have changed his mind and stopped it from happening. Someone whom his partner loved, in his way. Walt had his justification. His ego is so out of control. Jane was a human being, and he had no right to kill her. Walt deserves his comeuppance. My heart is not in it to root for him anymore. When his punishment hits, it will have to be severe, like a death to someone he loves, for me to back him again. For now I am waiting for that, and rooting for Jesse.
PS By justification, I mean in Walter's own mind. I do not mean in it legal, philosophical or religious terms. He failed the test.
did you guys catch what Mr.White said to Jesse when he came over with the money? He threw the line, "Nice to see who wears the pants in your family" back at him.
somebody said something about.....someone dieing from methadone. He was using it trying to get off the crystal. I'm not trying to sound like a smarty pants but methadone is used to get off heroin not off crystal.
I too, had to catch this episode the day after. No TV in the mountains. Reading all the posts at once is a bit daunting. Best episode yet, but I've said that on more than one occasion, for what it's worth.
Lots of swings in this one. From the pink stuffed toy making yet ANOTHER appearance in the opening to the tenderness of new parents to the rage shared between Walt and Jesse in the classroom. From the bottomless darkness of addiction to the hilarity of Saul ("Works for me!")
If you weren't a Jane hater prior to this episode, you had every reason to be by the end. The way she controlled her dad and Jesse, showing her greed (it wasn't her money), exposing her evil bitch side by threatening to burn Walt to the ground. She truly became a horrible person this week.
And man, if BC didn't sew up another Emmy in the last scene. The changes of emotion, the facial expressions, the guilt, the regret of what he has become was screaming at you while nary a word was spoken. Walt's first reaction was to help Jane, then no, I'm going to walk away and let it happen, then no, I'm going to help. Back and forth, back and forth until he realized that for his sake, the sake of his family and Jesse, he had to let her die. And the lone tear signifying the last vestiges of humanity in a man who has truly broken bad.
What great TV!!!!
To all the Jane-haters...
Don't forget she was clean before her lover just had to pull out the crack pipe. So Jesse got her back on drugs before she turned him on to heroin.
If Walt only knew...
perhaps...
he wouldn't have killed her.
He didn't just let her die.
He interrupted her nod and caused her death.
He interrupted her nod and caused her death.
No I don't think so. I think not only did she vomit but she ODed. Heroin users who get sober and then relapse go back to using the same amount of the drug they were using when they had a higher tolerance for it, causing them to OD.
Could Walt save Jane even if he had tried???
So what about the person we seen peeking around the corner in Jesse's house, in the last scene of last weeks episode, when Walt was running out with the BLUE? Was that an editing mistake or what?
OK Walt started doing this for his family-- nothing else mattered.
But get this: he finally gets his $450,000+ payday-- and he needs everyone to know that HE got the money for his family. He can't let anyone else take credit. When he started this thing, that type of credit wasn't necessary.
Here is what he should do: Tell everyone that for the past several months he's been secretly working for a pharmaceutical company. They're developing some breakthrough medicine and they have reason to believe the competition is spying on their research. So they hired Walt to secretly work on a critical aspect of the project on his own. He's acting a a sub-contractor whose contribution will never be disclosed-- the drug company will just hand him a huge pile of cash. (In fact, they've already paid for his treatments; it wasn't his ex-partners-- that was just a cover.)
He's sorry that he had to decieve everyone, but that was condition of the lucrative assignment.
This makes a lot more sense than some hair-brained scheme of a Serbian hacker using cyber "zombies" to funnel the money into the "Save Walt" website.
What happened with Walt's project under the house? It looked like he was doing more than fixing the floor. I thought that was where he was hiding the money, but apparently not since it's in the garage wall.
Someone above mentioned the alarm theory for the pool, but they don't have an alarm yet. Hank & Walt were talking about getting one, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have one in the finale.
What would you have done if you were Walt when Jane died? Hypothetically, you are inserted into Walt's life in the moments he drove to Jesse's house the second time. You are going in to see your "nephew" and have a word with him. You move him to wake him up and his girlfriend rolls over onto her back and begins choking. If you were Walt, what would you do???????
I personally would have let her go too. Sure, he could have saved a life, but that could and probably would lead to them getting high again and it make take Jesse's life. Walt cares about his "nephew" Jesse and Jane doesn't mean a whole lot to him when she is trying to blackmail him and interfere with their little business. She would have killed Jesse with drugs or a broken heart in one way or another. I am surprised she didn't get him high and walk off with the bag of money. Not to mention she still could have "burned Mr White to the ground" by telling the "national media" his story.
The rest of the story aside, what would you do walking into Jesse's apartment? Would you save Jane or let her go?
I love the Rain Man Kid living with his mom in Belarus where no one can get at him. I love Saul. I love the learning moments in this show too. The zombie thing was something I'd never heard of before. Also with all of the hackers coming out of the Soviet Union where the government appears to be protecting them seems possible. Remember the April Fools Day virus scare? I know my comuputers been attacked by trojans. I'd forgot about making batteries out a potato in science. Also I looked up the type of water heater that Walt installed. There's no tank on it to blow up and according to this dealer blurg that I looked up
"SCAQMD approved, each Rinnai tankless water heater produces very low NOx (less than 40 PPM) and CO2 emissions, contributing to cleaner air and a healthier home and making it an environmentally sound gas appliance." So does it produce enough gas to blow up even if there's a possibilty that Walt installed it incorrectly. I can't envision brainiac Walt installing it wrong. Wouldn't there be a gas smell? Also from looking at the laundry room Walt does his own home improvements. I wonder why he hasn't finished the laundry room with all of the exposed insulation. Unless of course its the usual man thing of starting a project and never finishing it. Of course Walts free time for a bit was taken up with cooking, a thing he loves to do afterall.
Why we love the writers so much..they outsmart us every time. For all those turned off on Walt..Consider this..Walt has to return.. at least to do somehthing with the money..can't trust a junkie.
Phoenix may just be Jane?
Jane's dad may be trainer for Homeland Security..the guys who check your luggage.
A Romeo & Juliet scenario..Juliet just looked dead to
Romeo..In grief he stabs himself.Juliet wakes up and finds him..
she then takes her life for real...the previews show Jesse with an oxygen mask..Since Jesse is a star of the show. It is sure
that he will make it
Only Jane and Jesse know her dad is due the next morning.The previews show a possible cleaner approaching an unscathed Jesse in Daylight. (Jesse on the stairs, doesn't appear freaked as he would waking up next to a dead body nor harmed from an angry dad nor any police presence)...
Somehow Walt has come with a plan....
As for the guys in the hazmat gear..maybe a scary teaser having nothing to do with Walt or his business?
Walt letting Jane choke was best. Jesse did not "get her back on the stuff".. she made her own decision.
She was going to be a huge problem. DId you pay attention to her reaction when they got the bag of money. She made references to her life, her this her that. It was not her money.
I think that Walt and Jesse are going to dispose of the body themselves. When the dad shows up Jesse will probably say he hadn't seen her lately.
I am going to hate to wait another full year until this comes back on like last time...
Ok, could the writers really be messing with us here? ABQ is the airport code for the airport in Albuquerque. The flash forwards show guys in hazmat suits, damage to Walt’s car, body bags, and debris floating in pool.
Here is a scenario, albeit far-fetched. A small plane carrying some toxic substance, biological, chemical, radioactive, .i.e. suffers catastrophic failure as it approaches ABQ. The occupants, completely unrelated to the story line, are ejected from the plane and land in Walt’s driveway and on his car. The aircraft explosion also scatters hazardous debris in and around Walt's house. The house has to be quarantined as the hazmat team has to conduct an extensive search and removal of contamination. Walt is not permitted to enter his own house to relocate the money. The head of the agency that is overseeing the clean up talks about having to completely gut and destroy the home to prevent further contamination. This agency has to train its agents even on their days off.
I know, way, way too illogical.
Personally I don't like Saul.. He is a swindler by heart. He will have some hand in screwing them over. Walt is talking too much to him...
Wow! 341 comments already! hey, are you guys serious that that was Kid Rock at the NA meeting? To quote the great Kevin James, Shuttee!" No way! was it really? That's awesome.
bigfreakinnaz...love your new avatar. Your old one rocked too though : )
I need to read everyone's comments to get caught up on all yout thoughts. I was off yesterday and am just now getting up to date on our message board.
Late to the party as usual, but just a couple things that I think could add to the drama for the finale.
What Jesse does when he wakes up to find Jane dead is critical. If he takes the money and runs, remember Janes Dad knows his real name now. Even if though it will be ruled an OD, the cops are still going to come looking, and now Donald can get them started in the right direction. His best bet would be to stash the money, then take his lumps with the Donald, and the Cops. They already think he's just a junkie from the Tuco incident, and this time it will be no different. He may face a possession charge, though. Or Donald could come looking for him via PI, or other means and try to to get revenge, as he surely thinks Jesse is the one who got Jane back on the smack. Several possible scenarios.
The website is going to be a problem. The media is going to eventually catch wind of this teenage boys website to save his dad, especially once it becomes such a "success" once Walt starts laundering money through it. Gus probably isn't going to be happy that his new "vendor" is all over the 6 o'clock news. Who else has seen Heisenberg in person. Tio, Skinny Pete, Badger?
I still haven't decided if the Body Bag scene is going to be this next episode, or next season. Walt is going into surgery, so we have to assume he will be tied up at least for this episode. Skyler will take his glasses, so that could explain how they are at the scene. Not going to speculate much on this because there are too many possibilities, and I would be guessing at best.
It seems like a recurring theme is going on with Walt rationalizing his integrity away ,there is a pathological ,and moral battle going on inside him .His instinct to save Jane cut off by his own selfish desire to be rid of her.All in Jesses best interest of course ,yet his obvious remorse and regret as he watches her suffocate on her own vomit........compelling television for sure,superbly acted by Bryan........I shunned the "idiot box " for a good 5 years before I heard about this show and now its the only reason I own a television.Cant wait to see the finale
James26....your lyrics were fantastic!
Forgive me if this has been addressed already and you have all helped me see things that I have missed, (like Jane's rolling of pillows to prevent aspiration - but Walt's spare tire rolling away seems to be an incriminating bit of physical evidence? I love how these previously empathetic characters (Jessie, Jane, White) are now deteriorating into what makes junkies impossible to have around - I did NOT notice kid rock at ALL. Good eyes, all of you! I'm new here but have been watching the show since season II started. Is this the END of the show? Seems like it can really go on too much longer??? leave. Any guesses what will happen when Q (I mean John de Lancie) meets up with Walt (at the funeral?) It certainly seems that Walt is toast and the one who will suffer the most? The teen son - what feet of clay he's about to endure........
I know that we are all passionate about BB but I was wondering what other shows do you guys watch religiously. The ones you record or find some way not to miss it. I have a few but NO reality shows for me!
Dexter
True Blood
Madmen
Fringe
Lost
In Treatment
Entourage
Flight of the Conchords
Big Love
Medium
I love, love, love Dexter and Lost!
I know the writers wouldnt be this lame......but......
what if the pink bear sequence all turns out to be a dream......
like he did in the trunk........
About the end of the last episode where the chick dies:
Do you think Walt let her die, (not roll her over), so that Jesse would stop hanging out with her, like he did it to save him?
Also: Do you think Walt is going to take Jesee home with him that night and get him out of the apartment?
I really have to go with Walt could of easily saved her, but he decided it would be in HIS interest to let her die.
Nip/Tuck
Dexter even though the books are darker
Weeds
Saving Grace
Just started Trueblood on dvd
Tried Lost and got Lost
The Closer is pretty good.
Law and Order, the L&O SVU is getting pretty lame though.
Even if Wwalt turned Jane on her side it doesn't mean she stuill wouldn't have OD'd. She wouldn't have choked on her own vomit, but she very well could have died from shooting up too much Heroin.
Still, Walt did not attenpt to save her.
Slygirl, I totally agree. No way to know that anything Walt might have done could have saved her.
Some have stated Walt is no longer likeable because we allowed Jane to die. Was he likeable after he deliberately choked Crazy 8 to death? Coincidently, Crazy 8 also warned Walt about Jesse. It did seem Walt was more conflicted in his internal debate about letting Crazy 8 go. Of course he did have more time to make that decision. Too bad Walt didn’t asked Crazy 8 "How U-lock me now, bitch?"
Maybe his conflict and decision about terminating Crazy 8 helped with his decision to allow Jane to die.
actually there are drugs out now that can prevent someone OD'ing such as naloxone. Standard fare in any ambulance. Given Jesse location... the hospital's right around the corner.. not like they are out in the country... at worse even a heimlich maneuver on his part, call 911 and run like hell.
I'll say that Emilo and Krazy-8 both were more or less self defense... but to just stand there with his crocodile tears... it may not be murder, but it's Involuntary Manslaughter....junkie or not
It's still someones daughter
Bald 50, zia, and Slygirl-Thanks! :)
Skottey-Wow! Your Jane hatred seems to top even mine! :)
Blue Runner-I was gonna say the same thing about Walt saying to Jesse "Nice job wearing the pants", but I forgot. Jesse said the exact same thing to Walt in season one! :)
Bit ironic about the "nice job wearing the pants" when he is a bar calling her on the phone lying to Skylar about getting diapers.
Lol, agreed. Walt is still pretty whipped at times.
Hi james26 : )
Next week should be a doozy. it's going to be rough waiting a year between seasons. What will we do??? Is this forum still open throughout the year? I wish the Real Combo would meet us all in New Mexico and we could all take a tour of the local places they went to on Breaking Bad. We could all go out for dinner and drinks too. Wouldn't that be a blast!
TheRaalCombo, it'd be awesome to see you perform too!
HI Slygirl! I totally agree, that would be awesome! :)
Anyone believe Walt would have acted differently if he knew that it was Jane's dad in the bar? Would the humanization of Jane have changed his actions?
I need to watch it again now to see all the things I missed.
Blue Runner-I was gonna say the same thing about Walt saying to Jesse "Nice job wearing the pants", but I forgot. Jesse said the exact same thing to Walt in season one! :)
Yeah good catch on that one blue runner! I thought that sounded familiar somehow.
Alright well this forum sucks (by that I mean the format of it, not the people on here). I think I am going to leave this place for http://greymatter.forumotion.net/. The simple reason is if you're not on here several times a day it's easy to lose track. You have to read through all the posts which could take hours. It's not in a real forum format, which sucks monkey balls.
I wish you guys would join me over there. I will have no choice but to stop by here from time to time though. It's just way too addicting, and then you've got the great posters like blue runner, tweeders, laz, bigfreakinnaz, james, slygirl, and whoever else I left out, not to mention the real combo! But greymatter is dope and there's an administrator on there that's been talking to Gomez from the show. Pretty cool shit.
Thanks, trueblu! I may go there! :)
Thanks for inclluding me in the shoutout with the forum superstars like James, laz, blue runner, tweeders,and bigfreakinnaz.{yes, you are still first James : ) }, Like I've said before, it's a true honor to be a part of this group. I have never been a part of a talk forum before. I will totally take your advice trublu8 and check out http://greymatter.forumotion.net/.
The preview photos for ABQ have a mis-captioning. They claim that Paul is Gus on the second photo. I think Paul is some kind of "cleaner"
You kick ass, Slygirl! ;)
Just remembered something I'd been meaning to mention a few weeks back (before I'd gotten around to registering here):
I think the writing and acting took some care to point out that Jesse was really falling in love with Jane (and, quite possibly, she with him). His voice was different when he talked to her - very tender and vulnerable. He tried so hard to cook her a nice breakfast, when it was obvious he didn't have much experience in that area. And how they bonded over the his superhero drawings - he trying in little ways to impress her, she noticing that they all looked like him and she later apologizing for something she'd done with a cartoon drawing of her own.
If Jane is indeed dead, this might tear Jesse up more than any of the other tragedies he's been faced with..
i agree rockmama. I never particularly liked jane's character but was touched by her relationship with Jesse in the beginning. Remember when she reached out for his hand when his TV was "searching" for a satellite signal....kind of like they were two souls 'searching" for love? Sadly, the darkess in Jane took over and she introduced Jesse to that damn needle. Jesse is far, far better off without her. He will carry the pain of losing her with him for a long, long time though.....most likely for the rest of his life. I know I am forver chnaged by losing my husband the same way. The pain was indescribable. It is still there but I jave learned to be thankful for the time I did have with him and have a far greater appreciation of love now and just how precious it is.
I tend to agree there rockmama... Apology Girl was the drawing she made if I remember correctly.
It's all well and fine what Walt thought... but what business is it of his.
Before Jane backslid.. seemed like they were pretty happy together.
I do hope at some point Jesse finds out that Walt did what he did..or rather what he didn't do.
Personal, I do know how Walt can live with himself any more. He really crossed the line...open up a new set of karma
As much as anyone wants to blame Jane for Jesse starting to shoot drugs, he would of been there sooner or later.
Unless you want to say he was better off hanging with Wendy.
The whole logic of he was better off just smoking meth is total bullshit..meth is just as deadly.
Some compassion for the screwed up people in the world doesn't hurt. No one can really save another person from themself - it's pretty much the individual's choice and commitment. That's why Jane's father couldn't really save her. Sure, you can be empathetic, supportive, and loving, but it's their work. Donald could've held Jane's hand through countless NA meetings, micro-monitored her life, done a zillion drug tests - it still had to be Jane's work, struggle, and commitment. I thought Donald's commitment to loving her, supporting her, and still trying, after a decade, was pretty admirable in a losing battle. He never lost his hope. Sadly, for Jane, she never got a strong enough grasp on conquering her demons, and lost the battle.
skottey I liked the question you posed to the group:
What would you do in Walt's position when Jane was choking?"
It is hard to guesstimate that about yourself. Having been in a couple with all 3 parents, first response is usually utter panic (unless you're some kind of medical professional) - like having your heart go right out of your chest. The next second is instinctive - you try to do something, anything - whether CPR, resuscitation, oxygen or morphine. So, Walt's first response of panic, movement seemed normal to me. But, boy, that next second of pausing/watching was decisive. You usually only have about a minute to respond when someone's on the verge of death. He made that decision all in the space of one minute, I think.