1 1/2 hours for me on the east coast. I don't watch live. Too suspenseful with the commercial breaks. I DVR baby and watch it from 11-11:45. I can't wait!
Highlight of my weekend! Now it is back to Resident Evil 5 on the 360 for 90 minutes.
The kid! Wow. You got my attention.
Which one is that? Walt has really fallen. He has no soul left. Jesse, my heart goes out to him. He loses at every turn. His buddy, his newfound conscience, he dragged his new girl back down into the drugs. Walt, you're losing it. Going back to the fast food place, what are you thinkin. Desperation makes for mistakes man. Amazing that his instincts about that manager were right on though.
I'm pretty sure I saw that same paint job on a Lexus man. That is beautiful,.Skinny
Oh man Jesse, you are a gonner now that you're shootin. You'll never go back to smoking. The chicken guy is going to be right. Walt's not going to be able to trust him anymore. He's got a new master. Shit. Jesse, you were getting it together man.
Skylar, darling, if you only knew how close your hubby was walking the line, you wouldn't be so worried about prison.
You had to know Walt would have to choose between being there for the birth and being there for the meth and the meth would win. The meth always wins.
SO, Jane's a little blackmailer now hum? Got more balls than Jesse perhaps?
I KNEW IT!!! I knew Walt was going to miss the birth of his child because of his dope dealing! Skyler is not going to forgive him for this and her rich man back-up sure has turned out to be a flop. I also knew Jane was a hose-bag whore skank who was nothing but bad news!
man they really flipped the script on me, I thought they were trying to make Jesse into the more likeable character, turning it around from the first season, after this episode i think any chance of that is down the drain.
man they really flipped the script on me, I thought they were trying to make Jesse into the more likeable character, turning it around from the first season, after this episode i think any chance of that is down the drain.
Not sure I like where the show is going. I know it is a "drug" show and all, but nothing has ever gone right for these guys. The show lets you get emotionally attached for their problems and then just trashes them weekly. I feel depressed coming out of this show, and next weeks previews only look worse. Thats not something I want to feel when I finish a weekly episode. Maybe I was looking for more of a buildup to the drug cartel. Weekly problems with it ala Sopranos. I just feel sorry for these guys now. Its sad really. Really just not looking forward to next week.
1. Whoever casts this show is boss.
2. Jesse is too sensitive, the lawyer is right, occupational hazzard.
3. I knew that chick was going to be a problem.
4. Walt needs to set his dealer phone to silent lol.
WOW!! This was one heck of an episode. Walt has really embraced his dark side... and Jesse, that poor kid makes some of the absolute worst choices. A person is never the same after the needle. This is going to make for some interesting twists now.
Not really sure what to say yet, at first it seemed like a boring episode (minus the beginning and the end) but it is really setting the stage for the end of the season)
The kid shooting Combo-wow. Even I felt bad, despite Combo's lack of characterization I still felt bad for him. Technically wise-great cinematography with the exploding drink and all.
Jesse and Jane-sad, tragic..........hits to close to home in some ways. Jesse and Jane-that's how you become Spooge and Spooge's woman. The meth is consuming and destroying Jesse, and it brings out a dark side of Jane that she managed to hold down, until he dragged her back into it. I wanted her to leave so badly when he didn't want to go to a meeting, but knew she wouldn't. It happens all to often.
Walt freaking out, running around at the end was tense, especially with the phone calls. There will be hell to pay for missing the baby's birth.
Surprised by Skyler's reaction to Ted, maybe a foreshadowing to how she will react to walt?
I have to be honest, I don't feel sorry for Jesse at all now. He shouldn't get a cut of the money when he basically failed everything and the business contact is right about never trusting a drug addict.
Jessie.. what a totally useless loser. I've been known to party up sometimes, but someone phones me or is breaking down my door? I'm up and ready to defend myself at the very least. Can you imagine the frustration Walt must be feeling... he has to choose securing the future for his family over the birth of his child and being there for his wife because of that bum!
I've got a bad feeling about the 1.2m transaction tho. Think they are getting set up to be robbed??
Also, I have to admit I was jumping up and down screaming "break the door down"... and "[lol] yeah smack the shit out of him", during the last 3 minutes. I agree this episode definitely spiked my adrenaline levels. Next two should be like nitroglycerin. This show is downright brilliant and great hi-octane fun like The Shield was.
Man...this show is messing me up. Probably won't be able to sleep. At every turn I'm just saying..."wow, this is brilliant". Who knows where it'll go next. Must admit...some of these turns are uncomfortable/sad/making me nervous.
I love this show!
I love how this show takes you places you never saw coming. "Gus" Gustavo is a great example. Looking at that guy, I'd guess ex-military maybe (he looked REALLY comfortable with a clip board.) But drug kingpin? No way. The actor playing him seemed really interesting. I think this is going to be another character with a lot of depth, or "layered...like nachos."
Hey LeDude, that's the life in the drug lane. It drags you down, stomps on you until you're almost dead, flips you over and kicks you some more.
It would be interesting if Walt let Jesse hang high and dry thinking he lost all the meth, but big bad Jane is sticking up for her boy, Walt's going to have to take care of that some how. Wonder if he's going to have to do it himself.
For sublime_wreckage, party on, but these two were shooting their blue mixed with who knows what. They're lucky to be alive and awake the next day.
Oh, and as an accountant, by not going to the cops and by showing back up to work the next day after discovering the misappropriations she discussed with good old Ted, Skyler is now complicit. So much for her moral outrage over Marie's kleptomania. Looks like little miss straight and narrow is gonna bend a few rules herself.
I was shaking! I think when Jesse and Jane are passed out Walt has to set the house on fire. I was SO sad to see Jesse shoot up. It is over for him.He is gone.
He is nothing but a liability for Walt. Walt can keep the million. Jesse didn't do much to earn his share, he completely failed Walt.
I hope Skylar doesn't fall for Ted.
Powerful, brilliant episode. Can someone tell me who played "Gus" Gustavo? Fantastic actor -- he packed so much into his brief time on screen. Amazing actors, amazing writing, amazing direction. TV just doesn't get any better.
Yes, I think the deal went down. That's why, in the previews Jesse was asking Walt for his half of the money and why Jane was trying to blackmail Walt.
I totally agree about the actor playing Gus amyleechen. He looked sad when he told Walt that you can never trust a junkie.
First off....Le Dude stop watching if you don't like it...problem solved.
I feel bad for Jesse he just needed someone to talk too about the death of his friend and all he had was drugs.
I don't feel the slightest bit of guilt or sadness towards Jane and i don't blame Jesse for her downfall....she was at the door and could have walked through but she really wanted the drugs. Sad thing is...she is walking into the path of the devil.
This episode had alot of Walt....I think/hope that Heisenberg will be unleashed next weekend. Usually threats to his family or well being will allow him to be truly unchained. The true transformation will be if Walt/Heisenberg has the stones to do what needs to be done and take out "skank v.2".
Truly Jesse has no claim to the money he broke his agreement on the labor. Walt cooked it, Walt set up the deal, Walt went to the deal...good game Jesse.
another great show the writers make us think one thing and hits us from way out in left field like the little boy shooting combo that and walt knew gus was the guy he was meeting and the end of the show walt misses his childs birth its making heisenburg come out more and more with walt but the whole thing with ted it makes me think skylur will break bad and jane broke bad as well also i think walt will have some serious compettition cause of jane at the preview was exploiting walt and she said we get enough money we can get alot of this (talking about the herion) and she has people who will break his legs (as once told to jesse when they first met) all in all it is a complex show and i enjoy it enough said
Lets start with Jesse becoming a runner, that's just not right... Its bad enough being a Meth user let alone becoming a down right needle junky. I must say I was fooled when it came to whom Walt was meeting with, I would have thought it was going to be Hank or Jesse's girlfriends dad. There is always a twist in the show and I suppose that's why many watch it. There are times when the show goes toward being more like a soap Opera than a suspense, but then its like Vince goes into a Stephen King mode and tears up the key pad with gruelling facts and fiction. Again a great episode yet I found myself tearing up, but not because of remorse for the dead dealer or the beginning of the end for Jesse, but for knowing only two episodes remain of Breaking Bad for the season...
Listen people, when Jesse dropped Walt off at the airport, he told Walt not to worry that his family would get his share. Now no matter how bad Jesse screwed up, you can't repay loyalty like that by withholding his share. And yes Jesse was there in the desert when they made that stuff, so by rights he should get his cut. I think Jesse needs to man up though and stop having his be-itch call Heisenberg with theats. This is the second time now that Walt, who agreed to 50/50 with Jesse has tried to keep his share. If Walt is done with Jesse fine but he should pay him. When Jesse handled the distro, Walt always got his bag of money when the time came.
From the previews of ep 12...Jesse and Jane are very expendable liabilities. Now that Jesse's a meth and heroin addict he's even more useless and weak. Walt's really going have to make some hard decisions.
Do I give Jesse his portion (even if he did'nt earn it)and eventually he does something stupid with his money and jeopardizes my familiy's future or do I ....yell u know....
I agree with the previous post about Jesse and Jane being expendable liabilities. Walt is already apathetic about the blood on his hands. He now has a "role model" in the restaurant owner, and his advice is never trust an addict. Way to go, Jesse. You've lost all the street cred you never had, and now Walt is ready to move on without you. From the previews, it won't be that easy.
Damn! James26 is never gonna let us forget that he called out Jane from the beginning! I'm going to team up with you James26 and we are going to start that club, man! I Hate Jane Club is now signing up members.
Hey Doug, talk is cheap, and Jesse is all talk. He talks loyal, but screws up on the follow through, in real life, you don't get paid for that. I agree with rejorejo, Jesse and Jane are liabilities now that they are shooting up and Jane's threatening to shoot off her mouth. Can't wait till next week to see what Walt will have to do to stop that dam from bursting.
The previews are great. Finally that baby's gonna be here. But, it also means Skylar's going to be at home watching Walt's every move until he goes in for surgery. He better have things in order because he can't have anyone calling the house, ie. Jesse, when he's in the hospital or the game is over.
I think Jesse is going to be written out, and the cartel is going to think it's Heisenberg when they find him (if Walt's smart) which will give Walt a way out if he wants too because the DEA and the cartel will think Heisenberg is dead (as predicted in the song) and Walt can walk away, with his 1.2 million. tax-free baby !!
Hey Walt, Jesse's handing you an out in the preview. He thinks He lost the stuff! Have him and Jane snuffed, make it known that he's Heisenberg, and you've got it made! Maybe Jesse and Jane are the bodies in the blown up house????
If the cartel and maybe the DEA think Heisenberg's dead, Walt can retire him and live pretty on his 1.2 million as long as he can keep Heisenberg dead. Hmmmmmmm. possible?
Hey Doug, talk is cheap, and Jesse is all talk. He talks loyal, but screws up on the follow through, in real life, you don't get paid for that. I agree with rejorejo, Jesse and Jane are liabilities now that they are shooting up and Jane's threatening to shoot off her mouth. Can't wait till next week to see what Walt will have to do to stop that dam from bursting.
The previews are great. Finally that baby's gonna be here. But, it also means Skylar's going to be at home watching Walt's every move until he goes in for surgery. He better have things in order because he can't have anyone calling the house, ie. Jesse, when he's in the hospital or the game is over.
I think Jesse is going to be written out, and the cartel is going to think it's Heisenberg when they find him (if Walt's smart) which will give Walt a way out if he wants too because the DEA and the cartel will think Heisenberg is dead (as predicted in the song) and Walt can walk away, with his 1.2 million. tax-free baby !! But would Walt be able to keep Heisenberg in retirement?
Oh yeah that Giancarlo Esposito (Gus) is one cool dude. This guy is quite an accomplished actor - been around since the '70s. He's going to make Walt sweat.
Loved the special effects when Jesse was higher than a kite. Hope this doesn't influence kids to go and try the stuff. He really looked strung out when Walt came by for the "product". Come on Jesse boy pull yourself out of it.
Not much in the music department this week. Too bad.
Gus looks like the kind of killer who would dispassionately eliminate any weak link in his organization. Like a cerebral Tuco. Walt and Jesse better be on their guard.
tj, i agree with sklyer being at home ( of course)and walt having his t's crossed and i's dotted but jesse, i think will o.d. and be labeled a junkie not heisnberg, and jane will squeel like a pig... i dunno thats what i see.... she will have to be snuffed out and jesse will take care of himself.. and or jesse getting clean and start working hard and making money.. one of the two
also this is not a 2 seasond show,,, walt will not retire and make a clean escape, and treat his cancer. this show to good to end in 2 seasons. possible?
I don't see Jesse getting clean. He's been down so long and keeps falling down so often and so far hasn't shown any desire to get clean. He's not at the bottom yet. He just floats shy of bottom and that's not enough to make him see that he needs to get clean. He doesn't have any other coping skills, whenever anything goes wrong, he heads for the dope. It's all he knows and has known.
egrone, the show is signed on for a third season. I'm sensing the end is near for Jesse, though. I'm afraid his drug fueled romance with Jane is going to be more lethal than Walt's cancer.
Noticed picture 100/101 with Walt on the phone outside, should I say Heisenberg; I guarantee you the character portrayed in that photo isn't Mr. White the high school chemistry teacher.
Also... regarding pic 100/101; Walt has no glasses on. The pink bear opening sequences take place around the pool and Walt's glasses are collected into evidence... Where is this leading?
It seems to me that Jane was placed in this role for the sole purpose of being the first BAD bad guy. In the strictest sense, they're all "bad" guys, but she's the first bad guy in the sense that we hate her and root against her. And now that she's relapsed, we don't have to feel guilty about it!
Wow, Talk about an opening scene, Beware of the Kid circling on the Bicycle! This was another Great episode, this show never ceases to surprise. During the encore showing we had an Earth Quake (5.0) out here on the Left Coast, no shit. It hit about half way through. Did'nt need that to enhance my encore showing, no damage to report, so all is well. Next episode will definitely be leading into a lot of the scenario's that have been speculated on so far. Jane is a junky, Jesse is a junky, these two are trouble waiting to happen. I still think that there will be a time where Walt/ Heisenberg must cut Jesse loose.
ok - So You might say I'm a guy just like Walt WAS. I used to be like he IS.
AnyWay
I would just Waste both those Punk Kids, Walt should cruz on over at night and do the chem thing and just blow Jesse and Jane Sky high.
Jes is the Biggest Dumb Crud I ever seen and she is White Trash. Let me tell you.
Cops will just think they were Manufacturing some Meth anyway.
Then Walt needs to concetrate on the Fam. Oh and Dump that Cheatin Wife of his. Well She aint yet but she will, She needs to clear that Bun in her Oven First and Fill it with an Oscar Meyer.
She wants to do the prison thing with her boss anyway.
Also, since we haven't seen any pink stuffed animals outside of the opening sequences; I'm assuming it is something given as a gift to/for her baby. What I'm scratching at is that when we figure out the significance of those workers in hazmat suits scooping out the contents of the pool; we will realize that most if not all the answers are already here. Arrgh!
Jesse won't be getting clean anytime soon, at least not realistically. His addiction is nowhere near any kind of an unbearable bottom as I see it. He's got no reason to quit yet. He still has stuff and he still enjoys getting high. Or at least the pain of it isn't yet outweighing the pleasure by any means.
Anybody with a good amount of time in a 12-Step program would know that Jane was on a fast track toward a relapse with Jesse. It is an almost cliched scenario.
In the recent TV Guide (dated May 18-31) actor Arron Paul is quoted as saying...."the story is left with multiple cliff-hangers, and after people watch it, they are going to be very upset."
With two episodes left I can't imagine how much more tension they can pile onto the story
Season 3 is going to no doubt be a wild ride for all the characters as the stakes for everyone involved will get (either voluntarily or forced) higher and more dangerous
tj, talk may be cheap, but Jesse would not have ever screwed Walt over, he would have come through on any money that he had gotten, had Walt died. Right is right, no matter what Jesse is smoking, snorting, or shooting. He should pay him his money and be done with him. Maybe Jane and Jesse will o'd on it. But right is still right when they made that meth it was 50/50.
Forget the 50/50 split. Jesse knows nothing about the recent Deal / transaction in fact Jesse almost lost the deal by being a hi boy. Twice Jesse screwed up in this episode alone. Walt should just let Jesse think it's all stolen and tell him he never wants to see his dumb ass again. If Jesse persist then just blow em away. Konw one will miss Jesse or Jane (Loosers)
Doug, Combo is dead, Badger is gone, and Skinny Pete packed up his toys and went home. Walter now has the sort of buyer he has always wanted, discreet and in quantity; to have it taken far away from Albuquerque. Yes, Walt owes Jesse *something*, but certainly not $600,000 worth. $1.2 mil - $737k = $463k. Something like that, perhaps.
Hey all, been lurking here for a long time and enjoying the show.
A suggestion for the moderators of the board: create a separate open thread for discussion of the previews. I prefer to not watch the previews at all so that next week I can experience the episode as it happens. Maybe people who like to watch them instead could then move their discussion to that thread.
Doug: The Jesse we have seen before would be decent in the sense that you are describing, but I am quite certain that we will see his character disintegrate rapidly due especially to his addiction, but also to the effect that recent events are having on him. He started down a ravaging path tonight, and there won't be much good left in him before long.
Hey all - This show makes Albuquerque look pretty bad - I live here and it's really good except for wages. I moved from California where I just could sit in traffic anymore. Anyway I think the Gov. Richardson is going to talk to the Media about representing New Mexico and this show. I ride Dirt Bike out in the Des where alot of the RV scenes are made and have never seen an RV way out in the middle of know where. If you did you would just call the Cops. And the Aiplanes would call it in too.
whoa i really liked the kinda of mutual trust jesse and walt have had up until now..but i think i big underlying theme here is seeing how the drug is controlling them..for walt its more about just being in control and wanting to "support" and take care for his family and jesse is obviously bein an addict..as bad as meth is just goes to show that once the shit goes in ur veins its a whole nother story...jane went from 0-60 in one minute..this was the kinda episode that was soo good where it just flew by..its soo enjoyable but then i hate having to wait WEEK to find out..they really left it on a cock tease moment...like in terms of all the different story lines going on now..not to mention hank wasnt even in this...makes me wonder if he might be one of the body bags..cuz i def see gus and jane playing HUGE parts next season and they are gonna have to downsize others to make that happen...
Another couple additional thoughts--
This episode really emphasises the endless gap between the haves and the have nots from both Jesse/Walt's POV and Walt/Chicken man's POV....
Everyone at the bottom wants more and everyone at the bottom thinks they deserve better
That was a great line from the sneek peek preview of next week's episode....Walt yelling at Jesse "we were ON CALL for the biggest deal of our lives......"
Walt is well aware of the structure of business and how in order to get along with the rest of the world, you have to fall in line with other peeps business and timelines (like the Chicken man).
And here in tonight's episode he almost blew it because he HAD to have the cell hidden and yet here comes that vital call he had been waiting for all season and he's in the middle of a class at the somewhat comfortable job he already has as a high school teacher, which as we know, isnt really enough to provide for a family of four.
And his vital link in the chain (Jesse) is high as a kite at the one time Walt NEEDS Jesse to be fully awake and ready to rock and roll
And now, over the next two episodes, we will see (possibly) how a million bucks (in today's dollars) just isn't as "be all-end all" that it once was
Walt now has to pay for childcare.....
He has to pay Saul a cut for providing the connection to Chicken man........
He is (about to be) blackmailed by Jane into giving Jesse HIS fair share
(which, is of course, HALF).......
He still has the operation for his cancer approaching.......
He needs to put a college fund for both of his kids away in a safe place, since after all that was originally the intent of his "breaking bad".........
Good thing he doesnt have to pay taxes on the money or he'd really be screwed.......
hey, ya think during the summer while we wait for season 3 we'll finally break over 1,000 postings?
Unless they provide a new thread for that purpose while we wait.
First of all i have to say that this episode was bad azz "Flint", but jesse needs to get his s+++t together, becuause he is causing some bad business skills for thier endeavors, and both him and walt have finally found the position they had dreamed of and finnally they can deal in bulk and be discreet without the law interfereance, i hope the drug deal goes good, because jesse dont even deserve his half of the 1.2 milion dollars he should be given his share unitl he is all better, because if he gets his half of the money he will inject it all up
The episode started with quite the bang. As soon as I saw him circling Combo I knew he was bad news. A nine year old committing premeditated murder in the USA (Albuquerque, I assume) should seem more shocking but it did remind me of The Wire/Omar.
I really thought Jane was going to clean Jesse up. 0 for 1. Now, I just want to take a megaphone and shout in his ear "STRAIGHTEN UP YOU PUSSY". He needs to be slapped in the face with his bong. I'm leading towards Jesse/Jane in the bodybags but that almost seems too contrived. Let's go with Jane/Walt Jr.
Gus is a cold mo-fo. All business.
Walt chose a meth deal over his daughter's birth. His soul has turned so much to the dark side. As far as I'm concerned Jesse isn't putting in anything that Walt can't do already so Hasta La Vista. No loyalty in this game, son. I'd make him a $200k severance offer. "You take the $ and shut up or you're going in a casket. Capeesh?
Anyone else have a sick feeling things aren't going to end too well for Jesse? Like he'll be in one of the two body bags? Though, if he does die, I think my previous love for him (next week's previews sort of made my love dwindle) will make me just too heart-broken to really look forward to the next season. I love all the other characters, but for me to really enjoy the show I have to have both Walt and Jesse.
Love Love Love Breaking Bad and all yous guys insightful comments!! This episode was painful, I still feel nauseous.
Seeing Jesse go 'over' this episode injecting heroin and meth breaks my heart. I put my daughter (23) into rehab (not meth) in the middle of Season 2 - she also loves the show, but can't watch it there - (I do feel guilty about that:) This is not her first time - she has other issues and this will be a long battle with no guarantees. I really liked Jesse and hoped that he could pull himself out with Walt's friendship and trust and strength. I empathized with Jesse's family for having to do the tough love - its the only option for their own survival. Drug addicts cause so much pain to their families and loved ones - and seem incapable of seeing it. Hopefully we'll see more of Jesse
But I loved Jesse and thought he could be saved. In one of the previews *****spoiler***** Jesse's in a cabin with a car parked outside and Jesse is saying 'I dont want to die'.
*****end of spoiler*** Will Jane try to kill him after he gets the money to keep for hersellf? Will she tell Walt she'll kill Jesse if he doesn't hand over the money? Is it Walt (could he involve Gus's henchmen for this). Maybe he'll scare him so shitless he'll be begging to go to rehab and clean up. Jane needs to be offed. Nothing but trouble.
Sorry for the long post read all the blogs addicted to the show. No predictions cause I'm not doing well with those. But don't kill of Jesse, please - send him to rehab!!!
Those of us in LA have heard the rumor for years about how the chicken franchise, EL POLLO LOCO, had been started by a drug dealer. Funny how Gus was the owner of some 13 chicken franchises....you do the math.
If you've watched Season 2 of Dexter, Jane reminds me of Lela in the type of malevolant spirit she has become - the type of trouble that only gets solved by getting killed.
First off, I called the kid shooting him to my gf. We live in New Orleans, so a ten year old killing someone (saddly) doesn't suprise me. I said "watch this, this kid is going to shoot him". It's rare, but it does happen. This year alone we have several kids who have been caught murdering people. Not quite that young, but I know of a few 13 and 14 year olds awaiting trial. It's a damn shame.
Yeah, Walt's 1.2 isn't going to go far. He needs to launder it, and give Saul his cut so that's 40% right there...so about 750.000 left over? Even if he never works with Jesse again, and decides to cut him half (which he really should, for all the crap that poor guy has been thru- and I don't like the nay sayers, he still can be redeemed, he still feels whereas Walt as Hiesenburg does not). So he has 375,000 left. The operation is going to cost 200,000...and how the heck is he going to explain that money to Skyler? Leaving Walt way less than the 737,000 he estimated at the begining of the season. He will have to cook more. Skyler will leave him, either for Ted, or because she knows something is seriously wrong with the money, or she just can't take the insanity of it all anymore.
And we don't even know if Walt get's his money (or do we...I haven't seen the sneak peak for next weeks yet, just what they showed on tv).
Jane....Janes Addiction....? Freakin' Brilliant.
Does anyone know if Vince G. is a fan of the band?
For everyone poopooing on Jesse, remember Walt is just as addicted, even more so- he just doesn't actually smoke or inject the stuff.
Oh yeah, I wanted to comment on the 'pink bear scene' again. Here's my guess that I think became a bit more solid after last weeks episode.
Walter installed his own water heater. After Skyler leaves him and takes the kids, he starts cooking at home. He still want's to make MORE as Heisenburg would say. Who are the two bodys in the bag? Tough to say, Walt could rig it to do in Jesse and Jane, but, it was his pontiac in the driveway with the windows shattered.
And the problem with blackmail is it never stops. Jane can't go to the cops, but she could go to Skyler. Sky has already shown where she stands by not turning in Ted. So even if she found out her hubby was cooking, I think she'd freak out and leave, but not tell Hank or call in other cops.
It's been a great season, but once again, in case anyone who writes, produces, markets the show reads this stuff- please don't ever jump the shark. I think the rest of this tale could be told in a final and maybe longer 15-20 episode third season.
well i sure hate jane now not only is she messing up jesse even more shes gonna get walt even worse looks like on the next episode i hope shes in one of the body bags
Wow! The last 5 minutes had my heart jumping out of my chest. Poor Jesse. Now a member of the speedballer club. Heroin and Meth are bad. Mixed together and you might as well just reserve your seat in hell.
Jane "Yoko Ono" didn't turn out to be so good for Jesse after all. Based on next weeks preview, she has got to go. You can blackmail Walter White, but Heisenburg will fuck you up.
I was thinking maybe Skyler was going to go back to Ted and have him break her off a piece in order to keep her quiet.
Combo, everyone on the planet knew it was going to be that kid that shot you. Too bad you didn't see it coming.
Giancarlo Esposito added to the mix. That was a nice touch as he has a fine body of work to his credit. My favorite movie that I have seen him in is a movie called "Fresh" where he plays...surprise....a drug dealer...
This show is really starting to cast some high end talent to be some of the characters.
I cannot wait till next Sunday. I wish it was a two hour episode.
The kid shooting Combo-wow. I agree who ever said that. But did you notice that little kid could act as well. Never, ever do you see actors recoil when they shoot guns. That kid was great, and took me by total surprise too
So Skylar is the next one to break bad? Maybe she's starting to think like Walt. Money is tight and is gonna be an issue in the future.Maybe getting her old job back was intentional by her boss knowing she would be ok with it.
Walt has got to see what his product is doing to all these people, and himself ,directly and indirectly.
Mostly to Jesse. He hunted Jesse down and blackmailed him into this. He killed Jesse's connections,ruined Jesse's house, got him put in the hospital,kidnapped,investigated by the DEA, which got him kicked out of his house.
Jesse ending up with Jane is Walt's fault.
This show will be super twisted if Walt doesn't realize and care about that eventually.
Walt hasnt gone all bad has he? There is still some human left in him, isnt there?
Anybody think it might be Jane in the bodybag? Going over to Walt's house tryin' to get stupid with him?
I cant belive the story line has Jesse shooting heroin and crank. That's so wild,and so bad.
I told you guys the new skank and spooge.
Also I wanted to say when Walt was on his knees in Jesse's kitchen he was so desperate. Not only for the money he will make for his family, but for the money he needs to save his own life. He had already agreed to getting the surgery, and I think he realizes that he needs it, and I think he really wants it, so making that score meant his life.
Aye ya ya!!!! Another fantastic episode. I was really shocked at the little kid blasting Combo in the beginning, freaking little devils, I thought it was chicken s..t that the 2 home boys didn't have the guts to do it themselves, but that's what happens in the drug turf b.s. I was really freaking disappointed when Jesse allowed the so-called girlfriend Jane to fix him, I knew it was heroin, doing the speedball thing, But it was kinda funny watching Jesse literally fly high off the bed and the music in the background was great for that part! Anyway, once a person starts using the needle, ther's no turning back, now they are both hooked, nothing but big trouble ahead, sorry to say. But at the end of the episode when Walt was banging down the house to get Jesse awake and get the meth and Skylar calling at the same time!!!! What an adrenaline rush for me!!! I kept rooting for Walt to hurry up throw the meth in the bags and GO, GO, GO, HURRY UP AND MAKE THE BIGGEST DEAL OF THEIR LIFE! Oh man, great episode, but Gus was right, you can never trust a drug addict, but Jesse practically does everything Walt says. Preview of next week's episode with little bitch Jane trying to blackmail Walt is really going to be a blast, I can hardly wait!!!! Breaking Bad one of the best shows and I hope Aaron Paul gets an Emmy nomination at least and Walt gets another best actor Emmy! But have to wait til September for that! Bravo, Vince Gilligan!
I hate to say that, but it's gonna be Jesse and Jane in these bags. How they get in there is yet to be figured out. Season 3 is gonna be without Jesse, it'll be Walt doing drug deals on a completely different level.
Walt is becoming less and less likable.
Poor Jesse, he really makes me feel so sad. Jane makes me very upset too -- the scene where she brings needles and smiles showing her meth mouth almost made me cry...
I'm a bit confused about the opening scene... was it really that kid that shot Combo? To me it looked like he was shooting blanks from some toy gun, and the two guys in Monte Carlo shot him -- it was just made to look like the kid made the hit...
I want to believe that Jesse can redeem himself, but I'm afraid this might be the end of him. Perhaps the body bags we saw in last weeks' foreshadowing were him and Jane??! I knew that Jane was trouble from the minute her character was introduced.. she's Jesse and Walt's "Yoko Ono" (with apologies). I really find her character reprehensible, I'd really hate to lose Jesse as I find him as likable as Walt, so let's hope this speedball thing is just him killing the pain of losing "Combo" and the removing stress he's been under..
I MEAN WTF? IF I WANTED TO READ SPOILERS I WOULD SURF THE WEB YOU JACKASS!
EVEN IF I SKIP YOUR POST ODDS ARE SOMEONE WILL PROBABLY RESPOND TO YOUR STUPID SPOILER SO JUST STFU WITH IT!
I love this show a lot and no one I know watches it so this is the only place for me to discuss it and for you to put it in here is ignorant and disrespectful!
I hate to see it go down like this. I was actually pulling for jesse to become the voice of reason against walt's incessant greed. I still have hope that he'll pull through. I agree that walt should honor the 50/50. jesse has always been straight with the cash, and loyalty should count for something. somebody is going down though, and soon.
Ok, I just finished watching this, haven't read any of the other posts yet..,
All I can say is:
Holy Free Union of Celtic Kngihts!
I have never been as entertained, Movies Books TV whatever, as I have been for the past hour.
So now off to read the the other posts so I don't mindlessly repeat thoughts already presented :-)
Mandala (Sanskrit maṇḍala "essence" + "having" or "containing", also translates as "circle-circumference" or "completion", both derived from the Tibetan term dkyil khor) is a concentric diagram having spiritual and ritual significance in both Buddhism and Hinduism.
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In common use, mandala has become a generic term for any plan, chart or geometric pattern that represents the cosmos metaphysically or symbolically, a microcosm of the Universe from the human perspective.
We can safely assume along the timeline of Breaking Bad we are around 7-8 months from the pilot episode where we learn Skyler is pregnant and Walt gets his diagnosis. In that time, Walt has attempted business with Krazy-8, Tuco, and now is setting up a deal with Gus through his sleazy lawyer Saul.
Jesse ran away from a drug bust in his underwear, disposed of a body with acid, spent countless days cooking meth in his basement and in the RV with Walt, had his parents' lawyer formally deliver an eviction notice from his aunt's house, went through the craziest ordeal of his life (probably) with Skank and Spooge; and now he's allowed his drug weakness to open the door to Jane and the horse she came in with.
What is setting up now brings the entire series' worth of plot to a boil. Things which have avoided being revealed (such as the source of funding for Walt's treatments) are threatened, Skyler the accountant will certainly demand to know how it's been paid for. Jane is prepared to blackmail Walter into paying Jesse more than he is owed for his service by spilling his secrets to his wife or the DEA.
Mandala: Things are about to come full circle for Walt as he will need to confront each one of the inevitabilities he has worked skillfully to avoid. I'm upset when I realize with two episodes to go for the season; there may only be enough time to set each storyline up for the confrontation that follows. Given the nature of tonight's abrupt ending; I'm certain the wait for season three will be agonizing.
I still don't know, man...with everyone thinking Jesse is going to be in one of the body bags at the end of the season...I'm getting nervous. I really don't think I'd have the heart to continue watching the show if they killed off Jesse. He and Walt started the business together and I've grown attached to them both equally. Let's just hope Jesse can come back from this (though I don't see how Walt could trust Jesse again after what it looks like he and his girlfriend are going to pull next episode).
Nothing suprises me on this show anymore. I can't exactly say I saw that coming but I have always thought Jane would be the wedge that would drive trhe partnership to it's brink. I am still wondering when or how the anti-drug message is going to appear because the addicts really seem to get off easy. Walt is just coming unglued and the baby's coming at the perfect time. On a different note I would like to compliment the set designers and photogs. The colours and the vistas are so good, the painting in the doctors office blew me out of my chair. Best show ever mm.
Guys remember the body bags and bloody teddy bear that they show in the beginning? I've been going nuts trying to figure out who's in those damn things. But now, after this episode, and after seeing the preview to the next episode, and after seeing what gus said about never being able to trust an addict, I think I know who is going to be inside those 2 body bags. I think it is going to be Jane and Jesse. I paused the intro and it is a man and woman's body in them. Fucking creepy man.
By pg1978 on May 18, 2009 1:54 AM
"The most disturbing episode ever.
I hate to say that, but it's gonna be Jesse and Jane in these bags. How they get in there is yet to be figured out. Season 3 is gonna be without Jesse, it'll be Walt doing drug deals on a completely different level.
Walt is becoming less and less likable.
Poor Jesse, he really makes me feel so sad. Jane makes me very upset too -- the scene where she brings needles and smiles showing her meth mouth almost made me cry..."
So agree with everything you said dude. Damn I'm going to have to watch the ep again tomorrow and look for her meth mouth. I wasn't aware that she had messed up teeth. Yeah. Truly sad man.
cant really identify with the jane haters..look..i love jesse and walt like alot of you ,,but when i look at it this way..shes a junky..they say and do stupid shit..so shes in love with a drug dealer..stupid move for someone working the steps.. but it happens..after realizing she cant help him out of his funk, she joins in..giving up her sobriety for a fate she feels is worse..lonlieness..picking up right from where she left off..she takes her man deeper into hell..believing that "at least we'll be there together"..later..she finds her mans partners trying to rip him off..sorry.. but as far as thats concerned..cant say ide act any different
First of all, James26, credit where credit is due. You saw through Jane's hotness and pronounced her as evil from the get go. I stand corrected sir, but she's still hot. She will get what's coming to her though, one way or another she won't be around much longer. As was said previously, you don't mess with Heisenberg.
Second, the writers of this show are so far out there that even all of our whacky predictions every week don't touch on what they're cooking. They are, simply put, insanely good at what they do. Thank you for giving me another can't miss TV show. I hadn't had one in quite a while.
Now, Walt once again professed his allegiance to Jesse tonight in his interview with Gus. However, Gus planted the seed with "You can never trust a drug addict.", and that comment is going to be swirling around in Walt's head. Combine that with the thought of what does Walt really need him for anyway, makes me think Jesse is going to have to do something extraordinary to endear himself to Walt/Heisenberg in order to remain in the story line. Missing the call to duty and causing Walt to miss the birth of his daughter because he was high is pretty much unforgivable. I hope Jesse pulls off a miracle and stays in the game.
Saul is a crackup. A dirtbag lawyer perfectly personified. He gets the best lines, lol.
Would some one please tell me what the kid says to Combo just before shooting starts. Was it Spanish?
Seems like every other episode is less or more intense. I hope they take it easy on me next week. What a heartstopper! Fantastic writing. The is the fist show I've been dedicated to in my life! I get the shhhhh "my show's on" thing now!
- MUAH to the cast, crew, and creatives
The worst thing about Saul is that he gets so little screen time. The dude needs his own show. He can still be Walt & Jesse's lawyer. But there are so many other scams out there. Can you imagine the never ending cast of characters he could represent? Everything from our drug dealers to imbezzelment (maybe good old Ted?) to domestic disputes.
The kid doing the shooting. I too saw it coming, but I talked myself out of it, that he was just going to be collateral damage. A sad extension of the drug world, that a kid on his bike gets hit in the crossfire. Blam. And the look on the kid's face was priceless. It so makes sense, in terms of street smarts. The gangs use baby wanna-be bangers for their hits. The kid makes it into the gang, and if caught, all he does is a few years in Juvie, vs. an older, even 16 or 17 year old, banger does life. Well done, taking us into the darkest part of the business.
For a bit of trivia, good choice of the Glock as the weapon. Not too heavy, very little recoil, so that a kid could control it, and lots of rounds so if the kid missed, he could just keep on firing. But a bit dumb for the guys to be in the car, right across the street, in the line of fire.
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Jesse shouldn't have to endear himself to Mr. White.... this is all Walt's fault!! All of it!! from the word go. He told Jesse he would give him up if he didnt cook with him. Hell Jesse would probably be hanging with Badger getting the band back together if Mr. White hadn't of walked into his life again. I'm hating Jane and Mr. White right about now.
Our new Distributor, Chicken Man. Makes sense to me, a Restaurant Manager/Owner. Knew it from the time he walked to the table. When's the last time a manager went to your table in a fast food joint? Having been a manager for many years, I can tell you, that you come across many opportunities in "black market" goods from all of the folks you come into contact with on a daily basis in the normal course of business. Great way to have a side business, no one suspects a thing when you're always meeting with a lot of people. I've seen a lot of things other than food sold to the customers...
In my Bad Years, I stuck to the Noble Herb. Crack and Meth Heads are the sorriest s.o.b.'s on the planet. Doing "Preparation H" is a close second. Let's hope Jesse gets away from it before he gets totally hooked. I see the point made of his apartment looking more like Skank and Spooge's place. But I hope that they end up more like Kelly Lynch and Matt Dillon in Drugstore Cowboy. Functional addicts, and He eventually leaves her to clean up! Jane does seem to love Jesse as much as her drugs, but James26 is right: Screw her, and the Horse she rode in on ;-)
Jamm54
True that, on them confirming the hit. A lot of bangers are not rocket scientists, so getting in the line of fire may not have occured to them until too late.
Happy Birthday Mr. President! Pregnant MILFs like Skyler are not my thing, but dang, if he wasn't sportin' wood after that, no amount of Blue Pills could bring him to life. Skyler is Breaking Bad. Soon to be in bed with the boss: Complicit in the Accounting Fiction, and, as said in a much earlier post, hiding the Oscar Mayer.
actully jesse would have probably been dead towards the end of episode 1 season 1 considering crazy 8 thought he snitched on amileo so walt isnt really a main problem
mind my spelling on some names dont know if i spelled amileo right
Are you shitting me Blue Runner? This poor excuse of a fuck-up known as "Jessie" is complete garbage and is not only a burden to himself, but society as well. Now im disappointed with Walt and his route to handle his problems, but dont even dare blame Walt for "creating" a monster that was allready dormant and existed in that piece of shit. All he is, is a low time meth head who hung around with similar losers who all dropped out of school. Now I still like him because he COULD change and realize abusing meth really is bad and he never did anything as stupid and out of control as he did in this episode. He KNOWINGLY lets his "love" aka someone who he cares deeply about relapse back into hard drugs key word KNOWINGLY she is on a program to straighten her life out which she was doing perfectly. He really stepped over the line of redemption with that act and I seriously hope hes in one of those bodybags. I hope hes happy for letting someone who wised up and arranged priorities spiral back into darkness. Second being him being spineless just sits back and lets someone who he cares deeply about go out and round up more hard drugs and he has nothing to say and sits back and takes the heroin when he had no real interest in it to begin with.
Nothing made me rage so hard this week then this episode. First my boy combo gets whacked and badger and skinny p leave, for some reason I found them all comical and great. Now we got Jessie hitting lows I didn't think his worthless self was ever capable of accomplishing that should never be forgiven and especially "sympathized". I know he likes to place every problem in his life on others and he has no control over it, but unlike most people here who bought into his BS and actually feel sorry for him for HIS own choices, no one forced him to do anything, other people such as myself who aren't blind see the truth and are disgusted. But like others said, no one fucks with Heisenberg, Jane is messing with the wrong guy.
To BBisAWESOME
I too don't like to have spoilers, but IMHO the trailer for next week's show that is broadcast 60 seconds after the show is fair game. It is a part of this week's show, and not out of line for this thread. We do have a lot of fun runing speculations based on it. I do try to avoid any other info about the next episode, as it does kinda take the edge off of it, knowing in advance. But for this week's example: Last time we saw in the trailer that Combo got hit. But no one saw it coming that some kid would be the hitter! Us discussing it last week didn't ruin it for tonight. At least not for me. Again just my opinion.
I hope she doesn't either. It seemed to me that she was uncomfortable doing her "Happy Birthday, Mr. President" routine. I wonder if she's actually going to quit the company.
Jesse is a young guy caught up in a bad cycle. And I called Jane as bad the moment she was introduced, but now that everyone is hatin' on her I almost want to defend her as well.
People Like Saul and Gus (chicken man) are the monsters. Maybe even Marie and Hank.
Walt has become another person because this system of society has failed him. With 'universal healthcare' would Hiesenburg ever exist?
Grey Matter just pulls in the cash.
Skyler and Walt Jr/Flynn are going to break bad because of their circumstances. She's a wreck, husband dying and distant, and btw...she's already slept with Ted...she cheated on Walt four years ago. Walt Jr. wants to party...season one where he tries to get someone to buy beer for him and his friends. Can you blame him? At his age in a middle class families LOTS of kids party, beer, booze, weed, lsd....
Jesse has problems, but don't ever forget what he did at the Spooges....he did his best in a fucked up situation to save that child. If the writers think about this, he's a more likable character even after tonights episode than 'Mr. White'.
He could help save his younger brother from going down the same path. His folks and kid bro will show up again in season 3.
Jane, yeah, she has problems- but she got hooked again because she was in love. She's just attracted to that sorta guy. She's still bad news and so is her dad, as well see in episode 1-4 of the next season. If that really is her dad.
But they are young and dumb and if they can survive this period of their lives they still have hope. Come on, and at 22 didn't you or someone you knew sell drugs?
Ted is another sort of criminal alltogether. He probably doesn't do "illegal substances" but he's cooked the books for over a million now.
From my point of view he and Saul are the worst.
A couple of people pointed out that Jane had meth teeth, I always record every episode to watch it for a second time to pick up on things I may have missed. So I should look at that.
Oh wait, that's pressing legality (I don't cut out the comerical and then distribute it or anything, so it shouldn't be a criminal act, but it could be, with one law passed).
Everything is shades of grey.
One of my other favorite shows is Lost, and it looks like it could come down to good v. evil. The best aspect of BB is that it's closer to Reality.
Quit hating on Jesse and Jane because they fucked up and got needle high. Start hating on the forces of privlage and power that made all this possible.
Hank and Walt will become true brothers or one will kill the other.
Someone earlier brought up a suggestion of why we should have multiple threads for posting and I agree.
I don't see why this forum can't have multiple threads.
For one thing, people wouldn't be yealling at each other for posting spoilers (like I did), and the person who yelled at me has an excellant point and by the way was totally correct-- I was wrong to do what I did within this all purpose general mass thread
But this wouldn't have happened if we had it set up here with multiple threads.....like MADMEN
I just went there and lo and behold--- THEY have multiple threads !!!
How come they have multiple threads and we don't ???????? Breaking Bad is way a way better show than Mad Men in addition to having (by my unofficial count) three to four TIMES the amount of comments by a wide variety of posters which = viewers to the show
How about getting the person who set that up for MAD MEN put in a little overtime by next weekend and get that set up here so WE can have seperate threads for
1 Each character
2 Each episode
3 Spoilers
4 Season 3 guesses
etc etc
I was wrong-- you DO have a kind of multiple thread system running over there on the right side but for awhile when I would glance there it was usually just Interviews and Q&A with directors and writers and such so I would naturally just jump into the general purpose episode thread (whichever latest thread was open) and talk
How about something like you have over there with MAD MEN--
"Start your own conversation"
This way anyone can jump in and start a thread (which you, of course can moderate if we get far too many threeads going) , but more specifically, a SPOILER thread for each episode where "the future" can be openly discussed between those who enjoy that kind of discussion
Okay I said my piece
I'll be back next weekend
Still loving the show. You obviosly have thousands of people on the edge of their seats- keep it up!
Wow, what a great episode. Not much humor, though.
Yeah, Jesse took Combo's death hard. He's too sensitive to be at this level of the drug trade. Too bad he lost his street cred now that people know he didn't squish-brain Splooge.
Aaron Paul said something in one of the behind the scenes minisodes that the last two episodes of Season 2 were gonna blow us away.
Sigh.
Well, I am wrong on so many levels.
This is NOT the only thread available to us and they already have multiple threads and everything set up and HAS BEEN for awhile.....I just didn't dig into the Forum section deep enough
I apologize to BBisAwesome once again as well
as the moderator.
And now I think I'll start a spoiler thread where I should have been in the first place
Blue Runner....you're right. All meth cooks retire from the biz, go straight, hang with their homies, and start up bands when they narrowly escape getting busted and get shut down. Walt and Jesse needed each other at the time the partnership was formed. Yeah, Walt had to tighten the screws on Jesse a little to get him to agree but I think Jesse has been pretty pleased with the results.
Jesse is a walking screw up. If he gets anything right it's pretty much blind luck, just like avoiding the bust with Emilio. It wouldn't surprise me if Jesse was supposed to be on the look out when that happened instead of banging the next door neighbor. He got himself snatched by Emilio and Krazy8 and brought them to the RV. He let Krazy8 escape. He got himself robbed and his ass kicked by Tuco. He got snatched up again and brought Tuco to Walt's house. He screwed up getting right with Spooge (lucky again). I could go on, but surely you get the point. The only time he gets anything right is when he's actually following instructions or when Walt is holding his hand.
Don't get me wrong, I love his character. But now that Walt is out there making connections and delivering product, Jesse's on thin ice. Sinking into a banging habit and his "crew" getting disbanded makes him nothing but a liability to Heisenberg. There's a relationship between Jesse and Mr. White and that relationship is going to be the only thing that can keep him in the story. That and maybe some more dumbass Jesse luck.
It is episodes like this that make me wish I'd DVR'd the whole season and then just watched them all on a Saturday when it concludes. This is going to be a really long week, waiting until Sunday for the next show. I don't think I have been so anxious for the next show like this all season. I mean, I am anxious, but I had a million thoughts of the show racing through my head until I finally went to sleep around 1:30 my time.
I am glad they didn't use Hank or Jane's Dad (I didn't think they would use Jane's dad) as the 20 year distributor. I like that they used that chicken franchise owner. It just makes you think about how some (not all of course) rich people go from rags to riches. I mean, how did he fund opening each of his new 14 restaurants? One would think that he used the profit from one to open the next, but he certainly may have fast tracked his business growth with this side distributorship. I like it. I mean, I don't like what he is doing, but I like where that part of the story is going. It just makes me think about how much of this kind of thing is going on in the real world. You know, sometimes when you meet a person that seems a certain way and you think, "oh wow, he is gay?" or "oh wow, I cannot believe the boss smokes pot?" or "I didn't know he had six kids," or "I didn't know she was 16, I thought she looked 30." And of course, "I didn't know he ran a huge distribution network of drugs, I thought he just owned 14 chicken joints." Amazing.... I'll bet this happens more often than we think. Things are not always as they appear. What a GREAT cover for a business too.
The Jesse floating scene after the high was great. Right up there with drug scenes from Trainspotting, A clockwork orange, Requiem for a Dream, and others. Oh, and of course The Big Lebowski. Admittedly, scenes like that glamorize the drugs. But the good news is most of us see more than just that trippy scene. Most of us will see the dark side of drugs. Hey kiddies, did you see how Jesse didn't even hear his business partner knocking down the door? He was glued to the bed, dead to the world. He almost fucked up the plan.
Skyler having the baby and not being able to get a hold of Walt while he is selling $1.2 million in Meth is no surprise. How will he explain that one away. Let me guess, Ted takes her to the hospital and is there for her the whole time. He is going to have to go the puking his guts out sick route. He really has no other choice.
I'm sure the deal will go down. First they had product they couldn't get rid of, now they have the money and he is going to be angry with Jesse still and say he is cutting him out and that takes us to where Jane threatens him. Stupid Jesse, telling Jane all about him being a teacher and all. You know that is the drugs talking.
My prediction- they are setting it up to look like Jesse is out. I mean, after next week's preview of that slut Jane blackmailing Walt on the phone while Jesse is just sitting there letting her talk to Walt. That will make Walt want Jesse's head! Is that Jesse and Jane in the body bags? I don't think so. I think that Jesse will come through for Walt in the end. I think they may have to kill Jane. I think Jesse may kill Jane. He should kill her. That blackmail is messed up. But maybe that is our cliffhanger. We won't find out until S3E1 what Jesse decided. I think he will make the right choice (for the show) and kill Jane and not fuck Walt over. Walt will come around with Jesse.
One key thing, when the 20 year distributor was talking to Walt he made it a point that you can never trust a junkie (Jesse) and said they are untrustworthy. That is what they want us to think of the relationship between Jesse and Walt. But notice Walt said, "Jesse does what I say" and "I trust him." He knows Jesse will come through for him.
Either that or Aaron Paul wanted off the show and they are writing him out, haha.... but I don't see that happening.
Goodbye Jane. I will be nothing but happy to stop hearing about you every week and how sexy you are in your underwear. This is the non-sex show. Get off my TV!
skottey- I agree Jane will not make it to much further & Jesse will be killing her.
The kid killing Combo reminded me of Omar from The Wire getting killed by a youngin'. Sorta predictable but still hard to watch.
I can't believe Jesse's on the needle now! It's already bad enough that he was smoking it but now he's shooting it up! Only bad things will follow. The preview on this site shows it loud & clear. Jesse was too high to remember having a conversation w/ Walt about where the meth was & thinks someone robbed him. I was surprised no one called the police with all the noise Walt was making! Walt can't overlook that anymore. I do think Walt will give Jesse a choice to clean up w/rehab or disappear willingly or Heisenberg will MAKE him disappear.
I don't know if Skylar's going to keep the job but she has her maternity leave to decide. She's playing one dangerous game with those books & Beneke's luck with IRS & auditors is soon to run out.
That kid smoking Combo pretty much blew me the fuck away! I was trying to get to sleep last night, and just kept thinking "Wow! I don't believe they put something like that in this show!" I'm wondering if shit like that ever happens for real?
Poor Skyler doesn't know what to do! She really wants to leave that job because she doesn't want to be involved in Ted's scheme with his books, and she has a lot more to worry about with baby on the way and doesn't need the added stress. But at the same time she may feel she owes Ted for giving her a job, and whatever else Ted gave her at another time (wink-wink). I thought it was rather cheesy that she did the Marilyn Monroe immitation for his "birthday wish". I'm sure the co-workers were thinking "Who IS this pregnant slut he just hired??"
I just have to shake my head at Jesse mainlining. What can you say? It looks like the beginning of the end for him. Walt should pay him 1/2 of what's left over, after paying Saul of course, as per their business arrangement they made together a long time ago, and then cut his ass loose. Then if Janey-girl continues to be a bitch, then it'll be time for her to try out the new, "special" meth that smells like head cheese! I wanna see Walt poison somebody with that shit, and she gets my vote as the prime candidate!
How crazy was the opening scene with the little kid pulling the trigger on Combo. Wow!! Breaking Bad is about people doing something wrong, something they didn't know they were capable of, they hesitate thinking about the gravity of the situation and what it might mean, but they go ahead and do it anyway. Unbelievable. Every character has had opportunities in the run of this show to pull back, to change course, but the lure of power, riches, drugs, etc. keeps pulling them down, even lower than before.
It seems that no one on BB is able to resist the lure of their own dark sides, the way the siren song of crime, or drugs, or an affair call to them, seductively. Doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that the "LOVE of money is the root of all EVIL". BB is bringing that point home big time.
Skottey: I agree with you about Jane. She is nothing but problems. And now that she has introduced heroin into Jesse's world, oh man...Jesse, Jesse, Jesse. You are sooooo screwed! I do agree that Jesse will somehow pull out of this heroin funk. I'm hoping!!
No way they can get rid of Jesse by having him OD. He's an integral character on the show. He's the Barney Fife to Sheriff Andy. His character offers most of the comic relief, or did. The last couple of episodes have been pretty bleak. They need to a bit more "black comedy" in the episodes.
They also need to resurrect Tuco. He, Walt and Jesse had great chemistry.
Don't know why, but I have a funny feeling the person that'll be meeting Walt at that "Truck stop on rt. 25" will not be Gus, but will be noneother than Jane's dad Donald!
I have a question....the last text that Walt got...before it went off....and he looked saddened by it....what did it say? I thought it said his time was up or something like that, someone said it was about the baby.....did she have the baby? Thanks.
Did anyone else notice Jesse using the scales of Justice as an ashtray? I think skinny Pete had some of the best dialogue so far in this episode, his one liners are great! One look at that guy and you can tell he has had a hard life.
Judging from where the teddy bear was was found, and the fact that the two body bags were seen in Walt's driveway (you could see his car was shot up), I would say that the people in them are going to be Skyler and Walt Jr. Gus will have something to do with that, as he doesn't want any distractions for his new cash cow. Heisenberg will then be unleashed as Walt has nothing to hold him back. (just a theory)
DOUG, you actually make solid points about Jesse always delivering the dough. I agree, Walt owes Jesse A SHARE but not the 50/50 considering how much he's fucking up. He should take something like 33% off the top of his share for being a total fuck-up!
And about the kid being the shooter and "the cautious kingpin"? Sorry, but I saw those coming a mile away. I tend to watch a lot of tv though so I get a good instinct about these things (I suppose I'd call it a knack for picking up subconsciously on foreshadowing, and camera work or scene arrangement/editing that a lot of times gives away exactly what is going on [the fact that the practice is industry standard makes it easy to point out these days]).
Jane definitely needs to be handled and put in her fucking place. How dare she even presume to tell Walt anything... and that little pansy ass Jesse for letting her "muscle in" on the situation??? Not only is it completely lame for a man to do, its an absolute betrayal of trust. Granted Walt shouldn't cut him out of his share, but again Jesse needs discipline for nearly fucking up the single biggest deals of their lives (33% of the top is the sensible middle ground... along with giving this hooker Jane a dirt nap).
Jesse breaks my heart in this episode. He's really a lost soul now. He doesn't want to go, either...he's scared to take the needle, but Jane talks him into it. Was it worth it?
Saul is, I think, Walt's "Jane". Walt needs him, but where is he leading Walt? Saul gives Walt the promise of big bucks and getting away clean. Is that so different from Jane's "promise" to Jesse?
Ona Lee If one of the guys in the Monte Carlo at Combo's hit was the guy who met Walt to give him the drop instructions, well.......creepy, but also means trouble down the line. I'll look for that when it re-runs.
I think Heisenberg may have met a much, much deadlier version of Tuco in the new distributor Gustavo minus the drug-induced histrionics.
Gustavo was a cool, cool customer not swayed an iota by emotion and giving off the impression that any compromise of his anonymity will result in a death sentence - that's my guess. If it was his guy in the Monte Carlo, that means he ultimately put out the hit on Combo. Can you imagine if Walt ever pulls a stunt like trying to contact the guy again in person if he can't deliver in the future? The guy won't stand for it, I'll tell you that.
The barrel of methylamine(?) is used up now. How is Walt going to get more in that quantity to do the kind of bulk cooking that his new national distributor will expect?
Sorry, but both Walt and Jesse have been screw-ups. Once Walt starts doing business with this guy, and screws up somewhere down the line by compromising the guy's identity, missing a deadline or for non-performance on a shipment? He's toast and so is Jesse (if he's still around).
DRKellogg, I know what you mean. Remember last episode, Jesse made a quip about "this is your Brain on drugs". Jesse is rotting out his Brain, no other excuse for all of his idiotic screw ups. Jesse was well on his way to drug induced hell, and now with Jane supporting his Bad habits. Jesse is on the razors edge now.
RIP Combo, and the now MIA Badger and Skinny Pete. Will miss you guys, especially Skinny Pete. Except for their drug dealing, all three seemed like sweet guys. Jesse has one person left to hang on to - Jane. He might as well be hanging his ass out to dry for where that's going to take him. Skinny Pete and Badger were the better choices.
Walt was really freaking out at the end. It was making me nervous. I don't really think Jesse deserved getting bich slapped and his house broke into, even if he was being unreliable. The man deserves a vacation.
I don't think i like Skylar anymore. I don't think they'll kill her because she is a core reason for the whole premise of the show, but maybe they should replace her with a better/less ugly actress.
RIP Combo. Jesse's crew were pretty funny while they lasted (what about 5 episodes lol). I wonder if we'll ever see Badger or Skinny Pete again.
One for New Mexico natives...
Did anyone else think the "Pollos Hermanos" restaurant looked exactly like Twisters, due to the sign outside and the fact that they served french fries with burritos? My sister and I are convinced it was a Twisters and that they just changed the sign...
Also, I don't know why people keep saying Walt's house is going to blow up...didn't we already see last week that the house is still intact?
I think it would be too obvious to kill off Jesse and Jane. Everyone also thought her dad would be the distributor, but the writers completely threw us for a loop, so why wouldn't they do the same with the people in the body bags? My guess is, all of us will be left completely stunned by the identities of those people.
Finally, Skyler singing to her boss made me all kinds of uncomfortable. You could tell she was all flustered afterward too. There had to be something physical between them in the past!
First of all, thank you to all the people who praised me for being right about Jane from the beginning! I'm not one to say I told you so, but...well, actually, I am! I told you so! :P
kafka-The preview that you saw with Jesse screaming "I don't wanna die" was actually from the second episode this season, where Tuco was gonna kill him.
It was awesome to see Giancarlo Esposito as Gus. I know him best as a detective in The Usual Suspects. I can't believe no one's mentioned that role of his yet.
It sucks that Combo was killed, especially by a little kid. I have to say I am worried about Jesse now. His whole crew is gone, and now he's turned to the needle. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks that the "Pink" stuffed animal in the pool could be a metaphor for "Pinkman". Maybe it is Jesse and Jane who die. Maybe not though...
The scene with Jesse "floating" was a lot like a scene from Nip/Tuck where the character of Matt got high on meth while he was laying on his bed and then started to float the exact same way.
Saul is hilarious and definitely has the best lines! He's being kept to a minimum though, which I guess is good. A little Saul goes a long way.
Anyone else notice the painting in the doctor's office on the wall behind Walt and Skyler? It was of a big open field, and it happened to be hanging in between Walt and Skyler, as if to signify the distance that is growing between them.
I loved Walt's conflict at the end when he got the message about the baby. His first reaction was joy, but it quickly turned to frustration because he knew he couldn't be there for it. Great acting from Cranston!
Yes, I noticed the warning from Gustavo, particularly. I felt it was also a threat to Walt. You keep the addict in your business/life, you (Walt) pay the consequences. And I would guess the consequences will originate from Gustavo and go directly to Walt.
Walt has screwed up as much as Jesse. Can Walt, the fuck up, escape Gustavo's consequences? I don't think so.
I believe the writers are really going to torture us. We won't find out the identities of the body bags until next season.
Also, the Monte Carlo guys being around to confirm/witness the hit?
When they lingered in front of Combo the first time, I think they were identifying the target to the kid who had to be somewhere in the vicinity. Later, at the actual hit site, again, they were within eyesight of the target (Combo) to confirm to the kid - this is the guy - and finish it if the kid had problems completing the kill.
These weren't your average drive-by, hopped up shooters. Even with the kid figured in as the shooter, it was all very methodical and professional.
WOW! what a great episode! the begining and the ending just blew me away!! the new contact "gus" is gonna be the way to go for walt.....sell in bulk, sell it fast, make your money and split....but now problems are growing with jessie, hows walt gonna resolve this?....i cant wait to see! more! more! more!! ..........oh yea, and i will also jump on the "I hate jane" bandwagon!!!!
Watching Jesse feel the effects of being injected was an amazing scene. Not ever having done hard drugs, I felt as though I was actually experiencing what Jesse was experiencing.
I don't know if anyone else noticed. When Gus finally revealed who he was, he looked at Walt and said "We are nothing alike Mr. White." The key word is Mr. White. Gus already knows Walt is a teacher, knew what he looked like and Walt didn't even know his name. I think this is key, because this 1.2 million dollar transaction is a test from Gus to Walt. Gus knows Walt is a teacher yet calls in the middle of the day, knowing Walt is in class. He gives him an Hour deadline to gain 38 pds of meth. I think this is a test to see Walt's dedication, and after the successful transaction, it will be the beginning of a new partnership.
"...maybe they should replace her with a better/less ugly actress."
Sorry to disagree with you on this. Anna Gunn (Skyler White) is one of the finest things on two legs.
"Finally, Skyler singing to her boss made me all kinds of uncomfortable."
She looked uncomfortable as well. Does anybody thing she's setting him up for blackmail?
"There had to be something physical between them in the past!"
I'm beginning to wonder if we're ever going to find out.
"Skinny Pete is a character that definitely needs to be around in this show. His one liners are Priceless"
Agreed. His quip about "spellin' and shit" in an earlier episode was classic.
"Walt was really freaking out at the end. It was making me nervous."
I did sit-ups during the commercial breaks to release energy/anxiety. I had a hard time falling asleep last night after the show. It was one of the best of the season.
mirna said "Everyone also thought her (Jane's) dad would be the distributor, but the writers completely threw us for a loop"
Umm.... no, not everybody. There were several of us that said not a chance all week long, self included. Now we have somebody saying Jane's dad is going to meet Walt at the truck stop for the drop. What is it with Jane's Dad? Some of you are acting like he is going to open up the sky and come down as Jesus Christ and take over the show. Step aside Walt, Jane's dad is the new leading man!
Please! Don't speak for everyone."Everyone" did not think Jane's dad was the distributor.
To further add: Walt said the 38 pds was available on a moments notice, what better way for Gus to find out then to call Walt in the middle of the day.
Skinny96 said "I don't know if anyone else noticed. When Gus finally revealed who he was, he looked at Walt and said "We are nothing alike Mr. White." The key word is Mr. White"
I would hope EVERY FAN of the show noticed this. Walt was very frustrated that the distributor knew who he was and his identity and that he knew nothing of the distributor. That is not a good position to be in. Gus saying "Mr. White" was the point where the Writers let us and Walt know 100% for sure that Gus was the distributor. I would hope everyone picked up on this.
skinny 96 said "To further add: Walt said the 38 pds was available on a moments notice, what better way for Gus to find out then to call Walt in the middle of the day."
Good point... then Walt turns around and says an hour isn't enough time and the race was on. That is actually a major misstep by Walt when you think about it. First he says a moments notice and then he says he needs more than an hour to get the stuff and meet.
I loved the scene of Walt busting into Jesse's house. Then, to see Skyler trying to call. Wouldn't that be Walt's luck to have the baby come during the most critical 60 minutes of his life thus far? Well, aside from the scare of almost dying and kidnapping guys,etc. But talk about a critical time. I actually turned to my pregnant wife half jokingly and asked her what she would want me to do, drugs aside, "For $1.2 Million, would it be worth it to you for me to not be there?" She didn't answer, and I didn't expect her to. Just something to think about.
The birth of a child is a magical feeling that you never forget. It is so surreal and beautiful. On the other hand $1.2Million is a lot of money. I think I'd have to go for the money too. If nothing else, Walt could end up dead just for jerking Gus around and not delivering the goods.
Walt, you need to fucking AXE out Jane and Jesse. They are now the weak links. Jesse is an idiot for letting a woman pussy-whip him, and it is going to cost him his life. Jane, you dare talk to HEISENBERG like that? Oh, you are going to get it.
Gus is a big time player-- "We are nothing alike Mr. White". Gus set the record straight, and Walt will work with him.
What a great episode. LOL look at the preview, "Jesse thinks it's stolen". LOL walt just hangs up the phone on him.
You can't trust a drug addict-- Words of the wise.
Best show ever, I love it. Watching it now on my computer, gotta love torrents.
I took Gustavo saying "We are nothing alike Mr. White." (besides signalling his own and Walt's identity) as establishing the power pecking order (I am the distributor, you are the cook and a nobody), and essentially stating "I am much smarter than you, in control of my organization, and superior to you."
I'm sorry, but when Walt was making his sales pitch he reminded me of an insecure nobody trying hard to be impressive and more self-important and powerful than he really is. Blowfish anyone?
jamm54 said "Has it been discussed or do we all kind of figure the Monte Carlo guys are Gusavo's people?"
I'll bet Saul is Gus' people too. If those guys are working for Gus, he is probably huge in all the places he has his fast food facilities. He probably takes over a territory and marks it with his restaurant. Maybe that is how it really works. Big businessmen are behind all drug rings, and territories are marked with legit chains so one man doesn't cross the line.
I would say Saul let Gus know there is a new player in town and that they are weak guys. Saul knew that Walt and Jesse wouldn't have the stomach for a death of one of their guys. So basically, Saul pretty much brokered a deal between his boss Gus and Walt. Saul thinks Jesse needs to be out of the way. Tuco thought Jesse should be out of the way. All they really need is the chemist.
All along, big players have been pushing Walt to get rid of Jesse. But Walt holds onto him. I wouldn't be surprised if it is Gus' gestapo that kills Jane. If Jane is going to try to blackmail Walt, let's remember that Walt just sold 38 pounds of the finest product to a distributor that is going to want more. They aren't going to let Jane get in the way of that. I think Gus will have Walt's back.
Maybe they'll send Jane and Jesse a message by beheading Jane's stupid dad that so many people won't S.T.F.U about! haha
jamm54 said: "The barrel of methylamine(?) is used up now. How is Walt going to get more in that quantity to do the kind of bulk cooking that his new national distributor will expect?"
I believe Walt estimated that there was 7 or 8 gallons left just before Jesse convinced him to take the Denny's break and the misadventures with the RV battery started (thanks again Jesse btw), in 4 Days Out. Heisenberg's skills are with the chemistry and little else. I believe that if more supplies are needed Gus (or his peeps) would supply them somehow to make sure the wheels keep turning.
When Jesse was ascending in his high, the expression on his face seemed suggestive of someone who was seeing God, Nirvana, Heaven, etc. The look was pure awe, peace, joy, and fulfillment.
No wonder people take drugs. It'd be a relief to have that feeling, but from what I understand it diminishes pretty fast, and maybe you only get that kind of feeling the first time trying a hardcore narcotic like heroin (I don't know - don't know much about the effects of narcotics).
Hey BB gang! This is awful, but I was soooo tired last night that I fell asleep before BB startted! I woke up half way through and made myself turn the TV off. I watched the first 5 minutes this mornig and saw poor Combo get shot by that little kid. Awful! It's taking all my willpower not to read your guys' comments or watch the video recap. I'm going to watch the whole episode the minute I walk in the door after work tonight. The suspense is killing me! argh!
skottey You think Saul is tied to Gustavo? Makes perfect sense, but it also indicates Saul's deviousness. You're saying he knew who Gustavo was all along (and it wasn't all this baloney of "I know a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy" garbage}? Scary.
I thought this was an excellent episode, largely because of the way they laid the groundwork for the rest of the season by showing Walt being squeezed from several directions. It looks like Jesse's role is changing from that of distributor to that of customer. I'm wondering if eventually he will get busted and try to save his hide by ratting out Walt.
Regarding Jesse now riding the H Train.....There is a great line in the movie Trainspotting where Ewen McGregor's character Rent desribes trying heroin for the first time.
"Take the Most Incredible Orgasm you've ever had in your life...mulitply that by a thousand and you still arent' even close to what it feels like."
That is a pretty scary thought. Jesse now has felt this and there is no way to go back. He will keep trying to acheive that high but will never again dupiclate its effects which will make him do more to get to the mountain top and float up to the ceiling again. I feel bad for Jesse. I really wanted him to become a bigger part in Walts plan but he screwed it up and now will have to be put down like Old Yeller.
Wait until it sinks in that Walt is only a link in the chain, and not going to be the drug mogul that he's kind of fantasizing or playing around with in his mind. He's an employee. Yes, he's got a good product, but he's still an employee, not the boss. The only person Walt will ever be bossing is Jesse, and even that's a struggle and often unsuccessful for Walt.
As far as Jesse's importance to the business or to Walt, well, Walt's already shown he's too insecure to be without Jesse (at least for the moment). I guess Jesse is like a Linus' security blanket or a pacifier - Walt just has to have him no matter how annoying Jesse is or how flawed Walt's rationale. It isn't reasonable businesswise, but emotionally it's what Walt wants and needs for now.
I'm not gonna be too hard on Jane. It's screamingly obvious that she's being molested by her creepy father -- she has all the signs--- Substance abuse, bitterness, cynicism, codependency for Jesse...
On a different note, did anyone notice Skyler's resistance to Walt's surgery? Not having it was going to be a death sentence, basically.
Okay skottey, maybe that was a slight exaggeration by saying "everyone," my point was merely that when reading through comments last week, it seemed that a good number of people suspected her dad as being the distributor. I just was pointing out that everyone makes guesses as to what will happen on the show, and yet the writers are always coming up with something to completely blow your mind and prove you wrong. Sorry to offend...
To all Jane-haters: "sober Jane" and "Jane on h." are two different persons. Period. Look at all the good influence Jane had on Jesse when she was sober -- once she goes back to drugs, she goes down, and she takes Jesse with her...
This show is more effective than all the stupid anti-drug ads. It really shows you how drugs completely mess your life up...
Problem with Walt is that he's not as smart as he thinks he is. He's constantly blaming others for his failures, and I'm not talking only about Jesse here, but it goes back to his relationship with Gretchen and Grey Matter. Just look at all the things he screwed up -- really, Combo's death is Walt's fault and his poor judgment about the whole blowfish thing.
The thing with Jesse is that he's still just a kid, not quite capable of being responsible for his actions. He's a good kid, but he's just painfully immature.
Getting involved with Gus was a bad, bad idea in the first place. Now, think about it: Walt is the only person who knows Gus' identity, he's in a desperate need to help, and can offer very little in exchange (after all, he's just a cook), he's got an undependable junkie-partner, who's now doing needles with his junkie-girlfriend. This is just a disaster waiting to happen. What a cold-blooded bastard like Gus will do, huh...? Does it take a rocket surgeon to figure it out...?
DepraveDave-Another similarity to The Shining is the kid riding his bike at the beginning, and the camera angles they used for it, similar to the kid riding the toy tricycle in The Shining!
It pissed me off so much seeing the previews for next week with Jane telling Walt "Do right by Jesse or I will burn you to the ground." Who does that little junkie bitch think she's fucking with??? She better be dead soon!
I had a feeling that Jane was going to be a very bad girl from the start. I hope they don't kill off Jesse. He hasn't killed anyone yet and still has a heart that Walt seems to have lost. His character reminds me of the Sean Penn ex gang dad character in the movie Mystic River. Love's his family, but the rest of the world he could care less about and had better not get in his way. Also as for the killing off Jesse thing I listened 2 weeks ago to one of the podcasts on this site and Vince Gilligan said he was more into torturing Jesse than killing him. But that was awhile back. Things can change. I also think that Ted may have something to do with the body bags. He seem's to be going off the deep end and may harbor a lot of jealous resentment toward Skylar. Plus she's found out about his embezzelment.
No, pg1978, the blueprint is there for what Gustavo will do to Walt or Jesse. If we thought raging Tuco was frightening, doing business with a quiet Cobra who doesn't give a warning rattle of when the strike is going to happen is a helluva lot worse. Welcome to Season 3.
I really can't imagine Jesse out of the series. Walt and Jesse give a nice contrast of this whole experience from two differing viewpoints. It'd be boring if it was only Walt and most of Walt's interactions would be minimal in the criminal world.
Walt cooks alone ( intense look of concentration, sighs)
Walt waits at truck stop ( furrowed brow, glassy eyes, heavy sighs)
Contact shows. Walt steps out of car, moves toward truck.
WALT: Do you know how to get to the casino from here? (the password - trucker gives okay sign) Here's 3 lbs. When do you need another batch? (hands over shopping bag with meth)
Not alot of emotional scenes to reflect Walt's feelings, state of mind, change in personality in his criminal life. It would be a one-note wonder, and boring as all getout if he didn't have another character to react off ot, especially one who knew him before, and at the start of this adventure.
Gustavo is a lot more sophisticated and diabolical in his methods than a Tuco. Tuco was a thug; this guy is a master criminal.
The set up hit for Combo? Brilliant. Two distractions: obvious distraction #1 (Monte Carlo guys) holds dealer's fear and attention, while distraction #2 (kid) is annoying you. Wham! Distraction #2 blasts you?
This is Gustavo's modus operandi, the 1-2 punch. Distraction over here, while second distraction takes you out. Look for a pattern like this in the future in all dealings whether deadly or not. Very smart, very crafty.
Come on people, do you really think the writers would leave us here with the likes of only Walt? Yes he's got some complexities, (eventually being cancer free maybe?) and he's rounded out his character nicely in the last 5 episodes or so. But we have already knocked off the thinly written characters (minor dealers) and pretty much stepped up the anti (supply chain) vis a vis Walts mounting financial needs and the excellently portrayed skank of a lawyer helping out to up his share. This series is brilliant, I look for an award winner here, and this next episode has been sooo fantastically foreshadowed.......it's like doing ice without getting hooked. Just pity the poor S.O.B. who invites me to a party the night of this show!
I know Walt does the majority of the work in this operation, but does Walt know where the RV is parked? I mean he needs it to cook & it seems that Jesse is the only one who knows where it is. I don't remember Jesse ever telling him where it was.
As far as interpreting Mandala as essence or containing, what we saw in this episode may represent what each character is capable of. Heisenberg is now capable of turning on his family, Jesse is incapable of handling loss, and Jane is showing her true nature. The problem with this series of events is that it drives Skylar into the arms of her boss, as well as the blackmail problem... which has only one resolution (kill the blackmailer). Even if he gives them their half, once its spent they can always ask for more ad infinitum. Heisenberg must now kill them both. There is no other solution.
conversequeen I think the RV is parked at Clovis' lot (remember Badger's cousin) when not in use. I think he was charging Jesse something like $500/week to park it there.
jamm54 said "skottey You think Saul is tied to Gustavo? Makes perfect sense, but it also indicates Saul's deviousness. You're saying he knew who Gustavo was all along (and it wasn't all this baloney of "I know a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy" garbage}? Scary."
That is one possibility. I don't really think the friend of a friend of a friend thing really answers anything. He deals directly with Gus I'm sure. I believe it was I that said they should have shot Saul way back when they kidnapped him and had him out in the middle of nowhere. I knew the minute they let him go and then he walked in the school at the end of the show that he was going to be BIG trouble for Walt and Jesse. He is stabbing them in the back. This all happened because of their rapid need/desire to grow. How many drug dealers go from a nobody to big time in a matter of a few months? I don't think many. Most people work their way up an established chain. Brains and a lot of luck. They have cut so many corners because of Walt's timetable of Walt having one foot in the grave that they sloppily had no choice but to take a chance with Saul.
Taking it even further, I think Saul knew Walt would go back and try to find Gus. He knows Walt is determined.
Jamm-Thanks for the go-ahead on the Jane hatred, brother! Although it seems everyone else has now jumped on the bandwagon, so I'm no longer the sole voice of hating that little skank (and she IS a skank)! The best thing that could happen to her is a bullet between the eyes. Where it comes from, I don't care. Just as long as it takes her out permanently!
My prediction is that Jane will OD. As a former addict who probably went through withdrawal, her body is very susceptible to being pushed too far and couple that with using meth, she's in big trouble.
Jesse is the only complication left. Walt is the money maker for Gus, Jesse is just a man who knows too much and in any criminal enterprise, that's not a position you survive. My guess is that Jane, fearing her father, will either OD on accident or on purpose, and Jesse, beaten by the decision, will either clean up his act or join her.
I think the latter is more likely simply due to the fact that he's seriously crossed Walt.
1) She called Walt on his home phone with, apparently, her home phone, on the preview. It didn't look like a disposable cell. Walt will have the number back traced to either her or Jesse's place and then there will be hell to pay.
2) Gus wants the product, everyone does and Walt provides it. Walt is clean, in that he doesn't use and that's incredibly important. Remember Scarface, "Don't get high on your own supply." That means Gus will look out for Walt so long as the profit exceeds the risk.
3) I completely agree that Gus is far, far more dangerous than Tuco. He's cold and methodical, unlike Tuco he doesn't get high and he's completely professional. If he even thinks he's about to be exposed I have no doubt that both Walt and Jesse are dead. Walt realizes this and he knows that Jesse is putting his life and the future of his family at risk. Walt has a very dark side, he's not the nice guy and he will kill, we've seen that all ready.
4) My overall prediction for the series? Jesse is killed off while Gus becomes a more primary character. Skyler learns of Walt's business and is torn on how to react, but realizes why he did it. Maybe she even joins in the same sort of dark addiction to the adrenaline of the lifestyle. Hank begins to hear that he hasn't taken Heisenberg after all and now that Jesse's crew is gone and Walt has moved into the big leagues, it's getting harder to track. Gus, feeling pressure by Hank and knowing Walt's connection to him, leads to some greater tensions as the season progresses. It will end when Walt, who is likely learning the 'boss' trade, decides to split from Gus and a war starts.
Anyway, I imagine that my predicition will be completely wrong by next episode, but its fun speculation.
Love this show, it's about the only show I look forward to every week. I was mad when it was off so long the last season & I'm mad it's almost over until who knows when.
Add me to the Jane hate club. I bonded with Jesse long ago, like a Mama, I feel so sorry for him.
My husband says that Walt & Skylar I think? mentioned a daughter in the past. I don't remember that, but he thinks that Jane will turn out to be their daughter.
I was never a big Skylar fan, don't know why & now that it looked like she might hanky pank with the boss, or isn't so perfect with the cover up, I like her less.
I love the humor they throw in now and then.
Tuco frightened me terribly, also his Dad. I thought all helpless old men were to be pitied?!
If there is a gog the show will go on forever or at least end how I want it to lol...with no season breaks. C'mon guys, jobs are hard to come by-keep working!
James26 I thought Jane would bring some healing to Jesse, not destruction. I can't say I hate her, but what she's done is sickening.
Jesse was lost enough as it was, and the previews of the next episode show he's been more affected and damaged by all that's happened than he's ever shown or expressed. I feel sorry for her, but together, they're on the Train to Hell. Only way one of them is going to survive is if one of them gets off that train - fast.
shanana said "I'm not gonna be too hard on Jane. It's screamingly obvious that she's being molested by her creepy father -- she has all the signs--- Substance abuse, bitterness, cynicism, codependency for Jesse...
On a different note, did anyone notice Skyler's resistance to Walt's surgery? Not having it was going to be a death sentence, basically. "
Well for starters, you are jumping to conclusions that Jane was molested. That has never been said outright. That is speculation by a few on here. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are a clinical psychiatrist. The fact remains that you know very little about Jane's history and have not evaluated her in your clinical setting.
On another note, Skyler's resistance to Walt's surgery was the fact that he said "I'm in, I'll do it," about a surgery that costs between $170K-$200K for a surgery that to her knowledge, they haven't got the money to pay for. What, is he going to pull it out of his ass? She probably wanted some time to talk to him to try to figure out where they would find the money. If it meant selling the house or whatever, she wanted to weigh the options. Maybe she wanted a second opinion. Maybe she wanted to go the route of a provider that was covered by their insurance, or at least look into it. I don't think the love is gone. I know, I know, we live in a country where people just expect things. People think they have a "right" to health care. Whether you are for or against a national health care doesn't matter, the fact remains, we don't have a national health care system that would pay for Walt's surgery and they opted to go to a cancer center that doesn't take his insurance. Walt knows where he'll get the money, but Skyler doesn't. I don't think this shows a lack of love at all. She was being practical, given the limited knowledge about their finances that she has.
heldenbrand - Enjoyed your take on things and agree with alot of your predicitions. I cannot see Jane not ODing or getting killed at this point (she better, I cant stand her), and agree with your thoughts on the Gus Frings character.
James26 - I totally thought of you when the skank Jane showed her true colors. :)
Mary - Walt and Skyler are having a daughter they are naming Holly. No way is Jane their kid. And I have never been a Sklyer fan either, just something about her...
jamm-Jane is ruining Jesse. I don't know if he'll be saved or not, but I hope that he is. The show wouldn't be the same without him at all.
mnsteph-That's awesome that it reminded you of me when Jane showed what a skank whore she really is! I called it right from the beginning, lol. I started the wave of Jane hatred that's just now catching on! ;)
What an episode last night. As someone who just got done living with a heroin addicted roommate for a year, it really did hit home with me when Jesse shot up. I know from experience that when one goes on the needle, one does not come off without unbelievable amounts of self control, motivation and support, and Jesse has none of these things.
I'm going to try to touch on various subjects that are being discussed in this topic.
First is Jane and her Dad. I think that the whole idea of her father being a dealer or in any way involved in the drug trade at all is an incredible stretch of imagination. Things are not that connected in real life, and I think Vince respects those kinds of boundaries for his show (otherwise Ken Wins would've probably crossed Walt's path again.) The likelihood is that her father is a man with a considerable amount of money who has raised a daughter that succumbed to heroin addiction. He's taken painstaking efforts to get her clean (giving her this apartment to live in, then upping her responsibilities to renting it out, allowing her more freedom and an income) and is probably a lawyer or a banker or something. Making him a dealer is a far, far stretch.
The obviously "dead" pink bear in the pool could very well be symbolic of Jesse "Pink"man, who might be in one of the body bags with Jane. However, it seems likely that the creators WANT us to draw this fairly obvious conclusion in order to twist the screw on us at the end (which is why I love this show so much to begin with).
I am beginning to realize why they've used this ominous pool scene to open so many of the season 2 episodes. It's all leading up to what happened and who's in the body bags, and the best part is that everyone has reasons to get "hit." You've got Walt with his new courtship with an extremely high level meth dealer, who does not trust him. You've got Jesse and Jane, heroin/meth addicts with the information needed to blackmail Walt, who is not taking any shit these days at all. There's Hank, who has possibly made enemies with the drug cartel in Mexico, and there's even the possibility that Tuco's cousins got tipped off by Tio and are out for revenge. As things stand now, it could be anyone in those two bags.
On to Skylar and Ted. The situation that has arisen between them is an interesting and obvious parallel to what could possibly happen between Skylar and Walt when he decides to come clean. What we're seeing is Skylar's very slow descent into breaking bad. She tried the smoking thing and it didn't fly for her. Now she's working for this man who she has a history with in an obvious attempt at making Walt jealous (which doesn't seem to be working at all since he's so entangled with his own problems). Still, she's wearing the low cut tops and popping those beautiful blue eyes at Ted all day long. This is her form of revenge. In all likelihood, she still believes that Walt cheated on her, and possibly still is cheating on her. Because she doesn't know, she's dancing the line with Ted, but still dancing it. After the legal situation with Ted is revealed, the fact that she returns is the continuation of her descent into being BAd. Without working there, she is once again powerless to Walt's secrecy, with no secrets of her own. Her means to create jealousy will seemingly come at a cost and risk, as I'm sure her knowledge of this information at Benekey makes her a partner in legal fraud.
As for Jesse dying, it does look like that's where things are heading. But of course, the fine people at BB love to throw in a twist, so who knows what's in store for him. Hopefully rehab, as I can't help but love the guy after getting to know him so well, and I actually do want him to clean up. Damn this show, playing with my emotions and what not.
The only character that we haven't seen break bad is Flynn. Maybe he won't live long enough to do it.
Wow, what a ride this last episode turned out to be. Ok did Gus’ man at the restaurant tell Walt to meet the driver at exit 13 on I-25. Wouldn’t that be like just outside of Las Cruces. No way anyone could make it from Albuquerque to Las Cruces in an hour. Maybe I just misunderstood what the guy said. Did he say 13 miles south on I-25?
I know absolutely nothing about the drug game, but is it an absolute given that Gus has some huge powerful organization that extends all the way down to street level? Could he just be a distributor with only a small number of buyers/distributors to whom he wholesales? Given that he has been in the game for 20 years and never been caught would lead me to believe that he deals with only a very select and small group of people.
I can definitely see the Tucos and Krazy 8s changing every couple of years due to arrest, death, or overthrow. My guess is that if Gus were the huge kingpin of a vast criminal enterprise, it would not take long for underlings to get busted and subsequently turn in the next level up in the chain of command to eventually get to the mastermind. Now I am not saying that by any means he is not dangerous. He probably has "hitman" on his speed dial, I just find it difficult to believe that one person could for 20 years maintain a vast criminal enterprise spanning several states and never be investigated by any government agency.
Shanana said: "On a different note, did anyone notice Skyler's resistance to Walt's surgery? Not having it was going to be a death sentence, basically."
I don't think it was resistance to the surgery, but apprehension about the cost. Where are they going to get $170K?
Hey, skottey in your discussion about Skyler's reaction and hesitation about Walt's $200K surgery, you just outlined Skyler's motivation for going along with the Bennecke cooked books scheme - pick up $$ to pay for the surgery.
pg1978 said: "He's constantly blaming others for his failures, and I'm not talking only about Jesse here, but it goes back to his relationship with Gretchen and Grey Matter."
Did you notice the look Jesse gave Walt when Walt made the "one step forward and two steps back" comment to Saul? Jesse apparently thought Walt was taking a shot at him.
People really thought that Jane's dad was a dealer? No way...he never came across that way to me. Jane is just a whacked out druggie and he is her dad who will get pissed when he finds her using again and take it out on Jesse in one way or another. If you check the cast listings, there was no doubt the new guy would be Gus (Giancarlo Esposito). I was more surprised with how he presented himself than who he turned out to be.
But sloe, Bernie Madoff just pulled it off on Wall Street for the last 20 years, and no one caught on. Of course, the drug trade is different, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. This guy has alot of money to cover his tracks, and make everyone who he employs probably appear legitimate on paper, like himself.
No, Tchefuncte Tiger, I'm suggesting that she's going to keep the crooked books going for Ted, and ask for a percentage or bonuses. Maybe that could be considered blackmail, but I wasn't thinking that. And she might throw in a little flirting to boot, and Ted will be grateful.
Skottey: "That is one possibility. I don't really think the friend of a friend of a friend thing really answers anything. He deals directly with Gus I'm sure. I believe it was I that said they should have shot Saul way back when they kidnapped him and had him out in the middle of nowhere. I knew the minute they let him go and then he walked in the school at the end of the show that he was going to be BIG trouble for Walt and Jesse. He is stabbing them in the back. This all happened because of their rapid need/desire to grow. How many drug dealers go from a nobody to big time in a matter of a few months? I don't think many. Most people work their way up an established chain. Brains and a lot of luck. They have cut so many corners because of Walt's timetable of Walt having one foot in the grave that they sloppily had no choice but to take a chance with Saul.
Taking it even further, I think Saul knew Walt would go back and try to find Gus. He knows Walt is determined."
Really have to disagree here. Saul is a sleaze bag lawyer who wants one thing: MONEY. He denied Walt and Jesse in the beginning because he didn't know who the hell they were: smart move. He knows about them now and knows how high the market is for their product. There's money to be made and he's the one who's going to do it. If he planned to stab them in the back he would've done it, hmm, I dunno, maybe when they were half a cheek away from a good reaming by the DEA a couple episodes back. By this point, Saul is all in with Walt, who keeps surprising him with his vigor and determination. His reaction when Walt and Jesse tell him how much meth they have is amazing. "Guys, you're sitting on a gold mine." You don't think he wants a piece of that?
Hi-I have read the boards for a little while but never commented. This week, I could not resist after last night's episode. Similar to other posts it was disturbing, sad, and a little depressing...but nonetheless awesome. My husband was trying to work on his computer last night and not to watch the show but even he was standing there at the end looking at the tv as Walt went through his mad dash of craziness to get the “product”.
I mainly wanted to post b/c I keep thinking the supply Walt took from Jesse’s house is going to be short. Will there even be 38lbs left after Jesse and Jane spent time smoking the supply? Was Jesse somehow protecting the stash by having Jane go get the heroin instead? I have to say I thought they were going to go on some binge and smoke a lot of their 38lbs of "product". I didn’t think they would smoke all of it, but smoke enough to put a dent in it and make it short for the drop Walt has planned with Gus.
It seems feelings are mixed among this group about if we should discuss previews on this thread but I am new so I will ask for forgiveness if I annoy anyone by mentioning the preview….but from the preview at the end of this week’s episode with Jesse requesting his share of the money, Walt did go through with the transaction and did get money from selling to Gus. So Walt had enough to sell but I keep wondering if he has the full 38lbs at the meeting with Gus' men. After bragging to Gus about the quantity and the fact he could get it at a moment’s notice I keep wondering how the actual meeting will go when Walt gets to the meet location for the deal.
I agree I have been a fan of Giancarlo Esposito (sp?) for a while. I had to admit when he said Walt is not a cautious man and he has poor judgment...I thought boy does that sum up all his actions this season. Walt is so quick to criticize Jesse's incompetence but Walt's poor judgment has been just as big of an issue.
Anyway, sorry for the long first post but that episode really stuck with me for some reason, more so than all the others, and just could not resist joining the conversation. Until next week!
Skottey said: "Then, to see Skyler trying to call. Wouldn't that be Walt's luck to have the baby come during the most critical 60 minutes of his life thus far?"
Walt reminded me a lot of Hal on "Malcolm in the Middle" during that sequence. LOL. Bryan Cranston is great!
I don't think Skyler would present it as a threat to Ted, either. I think it would be presented like "I'm taking this great risk in keeping quiet and helping you - I could go to jail. Will you help me?" More like a I'll help you if you'll help me proposition. Don't think Skyler is the blackmailer type, but I do think she'd appeal to Ted for help/compensation for the risk she's taking, and why she's taking it.
Arghhh... stop calling Jane a skank whore! Now look: we all didn't like it when she was shooting Jesse with h. but didn't we all see Jane as a hope for Jesse to straighten up just a few episodes ago? Didn't you people see how Jesse was changing for good thanks to her? That girl really loves this guy, and she's desperate to be with him. What do you think the whole scene with her refusing to introduce Jesse to her dad was all about? She knew Jesse was a drug dealer back then, and she realized only too well that once her dad learns that his recovering drug addict daughter has a shady character as a boyfriend, that'd be over between the two of them. Now, in the last episode, she just realized that she was loosing Jesse to drugs, when he asked her to leave because he wanted to smoke ice -- now, make no mistake of that, Jesse was on the train to hell already at that point, it's only that the train wasn't traveling at the lightspeed yet... sorry, but if you choose meth to cope with your personal problems over the love and support of the only person that truly cares about you, you're already in deep shit. So, okay, she choose to go back to drugs, the only other choice was to leave Jesse behind, but either way Jesse was on the slope downhill. Now, all that we liked about Jane is over now, thanks to the most stupid and irresponsible thing Jesse has ever done in this show: dragging her back into drugs. So far he's been able to keep afloat thanks to his dumb luck, but this time shit is finally going to hit the fan big time, I think Jesse already starts to realize that he's gotten himself in a situation that he has no power to deal with -- remember that scene when he comes back home and asks Jane if they should go to Santa Fe, and all she says is "sure" and smokes more crystal...? I felt so sorry for both of them at that point: we've seen a good, compassionate side of Jesse in past episodes, I was honestly hoping that with Jane's presence Jesse will finally get a life -- and I got so frustrated and disappointed when, again, thanks to his irresponsibility things that could've been so good went completely wrong...
OK, my addiction to this show is spiraling totally out of control :) Could hardly sleep last night...
Jamm54, very interesting take on Skyler going back to Beneke for the possibility of a financial benefit. I wonder if her righteous indignation would be as easily tempered had she not had a history with Ted. I am not a big fan of Skyler anymore, and I think her returning to Beneke has nothing to do with financing Walt’s surgery. But I am not very good at gauging a female’s motives.
As soon as I saw Giencarlo Espisito in the credits, I knew he would be the drug connection. He is a great actor. We first saw him in "Taps" almost thirty years ago. Since then he has done a little of everything. Very versatile. This show is so well cast and every actor seems perfect for the part they play. Kudos to Bob Odenkirk as Saul. He used to write for SNL and wrote all of Chris Farley's best stuff. He is terrific in "Breaking Bad".
This is my first post. It's good to see Jamm here, Hi jamm. (from MM posts)
This is also a very smart show, with smart posters (for the most part).
Lots of good insight here on this board.
I do love Jesse, and like most on this board we have seen him struggle with his good heart, and his stupid mind. I can't believe he will die. But, my guess is, he will. Using needles do shorten ones life to 6 years.
I also think he should get half of Walt's take of the money. Drug dealers pay for silence and that is a HUGE commodity.
Walt might let Jesse go, but who would we root for in the Goodness dept? We all see even the honest are dishonest.
We see Walt becoming his alter ego Heisenberger. But then, Walt had no spine in the beginning. Perhaps he can marry the two personalities. Gus might be the one that is the ruthless person that Walt needs. Will he do Jesse in?
I see Walt and Gus being very good friends.
I'm guessing that the body bags could be Jesse, and? And maybe Jane's dad did it to Jesse because he turned his daughter back into a drug addict? Or it was one of those horrible accidents that end up helping out our 'heros"?
Like Mad Men: no one is wholly good, nor bad. No one starts on a path and continues. There are hills and valleys in the progression.
Just like life.
I think Skyler is very lonely, and alone. I don't think going back to Bennecke was some ploy to reunite with an old flame or stir the embers of a past flirtation. Jeez, she was 8-9 months pregnant! Though once she got hired, I think she enjoyed the attention from Ted.
But, she was being proactive. When Gretchen said the financial aid was over, Skyler took action. She used an old flirtation/the boss' feelings for her to get a job from the only employer who would hire an 8-9 months pregnant woman. That was logical and smart. They needed the money.
Besides, her relationship with Walt is really different. He's become more remote, never around, secretive - and he might be having an affair, plus (at that time) he was dying relatively soon.
She's looking out for herself, her family, and the future of her two kids. In her mind, she may end up being the sole breadwinner after Walt dies. Skyler is moving forward, and not waiting for it all to collapse on top of her.
Probably, Skyler feels Walt seems to have kind of checked out of the family emotionally, so she's taking care of herself.
I somehow don't think jesse will die. Jane will be dead, but I think Jesse kills her after realizing she almost blew his chance at 1.2 million, and after Walt tells Jesse either get clean, or you will end up like Tuco. Regardless of how it happens, I think Jesse takes out Jane.
Just went back and looked - the guy in the chicken restaurant giving Walt the instructions IS NOT the guy in the car at the beginning when Combo gets shot. Also, I noticed in re-watching it that the 2 guys in the car gave the kid a two honk signal when it was time to shoot Combo - possibly an "all clear" type of signal. And BTW - the kid is not using a Glock - looks more like a S&W Sigma 380 to me....
Unlike the members of the "I hate Jane" club, I felt really bad when I saw her go back to using. I was very hopeful that she might be setting a good example for Jesse and would be his motivation for kicking his habit and turning out ok in the end.
Wow! Look at ALL these posts, already!!! =O
Everybody seems to have hit upon, all the subjects thoroughly! And, I agree with many of them...
My head is STILL spinning, from last nights episode!!!
All's I can add, at this time is:
While I realize, this song does'nt "fit" Gus' character...
"Chicken Train" by Ozark Mountain Daredevils, kept going through my head, after this show!
Maybe, 'cuz of them dealing with "High-Speed Chicken Feed" & the train-wreck, that's obviously ahead!!! =D ha ha ha!
Quote by: James26 on May 18, 2009 6:35 PM
Jane is a skank! Skank skank skank-ass skank! LOL!
Whoaaa there, James!! Better make SURE, there are'nt ANY ATMs around, when you say that!! LOL!!!
tuttle300: I realize you meant no harm, previously...It's SO hard, to NOT get caught up, in all the excitement of this show!!! =)
While you did'nt offend me, in the least...
I was impressed, that you apologized for your actions...and, more than once...that was pretty cool!
KELI37 - I admit I thought Walt was going to be a little short on product too, but I rewatched the meeting they had in this episode with Saul; and they claim to have "38 pounds, and change". I'm guessing whatever that "change" is, Jesse and Jane are using. Seems possible, but I doubt the writers are preparing to take us in that direction.
I love how the show always makes Jesse the scapegoat even though Walt is clearly the antagonist in most cases.
In this episode Walt decided to expand the business into new territory which is what got Combo killed and led to Jesse going off the deep end. Jesse wouldn't even be in the business if Walt/Heisenberg didn't keep pulling him back in. Ultimately though they're partners 50/50 and they share the blame 50/50. Somehow they always manage to exemplify each others faults, simultaneously causing each others downfall.
Some memorable roles that Giancarlo Esposito has played.
A small but memorable role as Detective
Baer in "The Usual Suspects" he is one of the first guys that helps to unravel the never ending question "Who is Keyser Soze?"
He played the Heroin dealer Esteban in
"Fresh"
And who could ever forget his coke bottle glasses and black power emotion as Buggin Out in "Do the Right Thing"
And now Gustavo Frings the mild mannered Chicken Roaster restaurant owner by day and probably calculating, cold blooded killer drug dealer by night. I have a feeling many will be remembering this recent role for a very long time!
1. That was quite simply one of the best hours of television I've ever seen. The best episode yet, IMO.
2. It was also pretty devastating, emotionally. I have a really bad taste in my mouth now, so to speak, something few shows do. But damn, I can't imagine things getting any more intense... who knows what will happen in the season finale.
3. I find it sort of disturbing how so many here seem to say Jesse and/or Jane deserve to die, sounding like some angry mob or something cheering for their demise. OK, they're addicts, people. Show some compassion please. Addicts relapse. Addicts show poor judgement. Addicts who sleep with other addicts are gonna use. It's sad but true. And now it seems like Walt has no use for Jesse, so I don't see how BB has any use for him as a character. And knowing how tragic and gritty this show is, only getting more and more tragic with each episode, I don't think things are gonna end well for Jesse and likely Jane as well. But why on earth would you welcome that, like it's some act of cosmic justice to them for being filthy disgusting morally bakrupt, etc. drug addicts. Seriously, have a heart. It's just a TV show and all, but some people's comments on it are revealing themselves to be pretty cruel IMO.
Jamm54 said: "More like a I'll help you if you'll help me proposition. Don't think Skyler is the blackmailer type, but I do think she'd appeal to Ted for help/compensation for the risk she's taking, and why she's taking it."
"But, she was being proactive. When Gretchen said the financial aid was over, Skyler took action. She used an old flirtation/the boss' feelings for her to get a job from the only employer who would hire an 8-9 months pregnant woman. That was logical and smart. They needed the money."
"She's looking out for herself, her family, and the future of her two kids. In her mind, she may end up being the sole breadwinner after Walt dies. Skyler is moving forward, and not waiting for it all to collapse on top of her."
I agree on all counts. I thought she may try to blackmail Ted, but I like your thinking better. I don't see Skyler as a blackmailer either, but that thought did cross my mind; desperate times call for desperate measures.
Wow, what a show. I'm stoked and depressed at the same time....I'm hooked like a junkie and I need more!
More complications and more possibilities for who is in those two body bags.
Jesse and Jane. Are the bodies bags Heisenberg's solution for Jane's blackmail attempt
Skyler and Ted? Heisenberg's reackoning with their affair - if they have one.
The two bangers in the car watching the kid shoot Combo - Walt surviving a hit from the competition
Hank and Marie, Jane and her Dad,
Saul and Gus, Badger and Skinny Pete....Hey anything can happen in these next episodes.
And I almost hate watching the previews. Two possibilities exist for Jane's blackmail attempt.
1. Walt wants to keep all the money and Jane/Jesse just want thier share.
2. Walt gives Jesse his half, but now Jane wants it ALL!!
I'm thinking somehow, the blackmail is going to set up the body bag scene, but not sure how and I can't really see the show without the Jesse/Walt conflict and interaction. No matter how low Jesse has gotten he has always bounced back. Now I know he looks like his plane is on fire and his wheels are up, but somehow he will pull up out of the dive without completely carshing and burning - even if it means rehab.
Can't wait till next week...yo homes, these writers have some mad skills.
mnsteph said "People really thought that Jane's dad was a dealer? No way...he never came across that way to me. :
Yeah, they came to that conclusion between the 30 seconds of screen time he had because he knocked on her door and she ran around back to get him and then snubbed Jesse during that 30 seconds of screen time. Add in that she called him a hard ass and brought him up once or twice about not smoking in the apartment and doing Jesse a favor by not introducing the two. Talk about a stretch.
Wow. Less than 24 hours and the blog is fantastic. You fans know your stuff and love this show as much as I do.
Gotta log in on Skylar. I don't think it was a small fling with her and Ted. If she left the job because of harrasment on his part, there would be no way he'd ask for her performance and she'd do it. And she was blushing because she was enjoying it, not because she was uncomfortable. C'mon. Would you be singing for your boss?
As for Jesse, I've relented. Ok, don't put him in a body bag. But I'll bet Walt comes home from visiting Sky in the hospital to find J and J sitting on the sofa in his livingroom waiting for him. And something is going to go BAd and Jane is going to be done. Jesse is going to have to earn his stripes with Walt in order to not get offed by Gus' orginization.
Gus is just scary. He comes across as Peewee Herman, but those of you who noticed that he called Walt, Mr. White. Bingo. He knows his stuff. Did he do research or did Saul tell him. And just how close is Saul. Saul knew all about Gus refusing to meet Walt, so he's a lot closer than he says he is. But, does he know how much the deal is for that Walt's going for? Will Walt try to skimp on the amount he puts through Saul's washing machine? I'll be willing to bet that's what's involved in the explosion at the house. He tries to rip off Saul, and Saul sends him a very explicit warning about just who is the boss and who is the cook. But who's in the body bags....... I'm afraid to guess....the cleaning lady and the paper boy? Collateral damage? Perhaps. But I'm starting to agree with the fans who say it won't be Jesse.
For James26..I loved your call about the pink teddy bear and the name Pinkman. Thats good man.
And WernerK, you've had one of the most intelligent posts I've read to date. Vince needs to send you a hat.
As for Kell37, just how fast do you think anyone can go through 38 POUNDS of meth. Do you have any idea how many grams that is. Think truckload.
I am so addicted to this show, I think I'm starting to understand what a junkie means when they NEED a fix. I need to have next sunday come sooner than a week from now. Waiting is agony.
Quote by Anonymous:
I find it sort of disturbing how so many here seem to say Jesse and/or Jane deserve to die, sounding like some angry mob or something cheering for their demise.
Neither one deserves to die, and I sure don't want Jesse to die. I think it's kind of inevitable that Jane will because of her speed bullet slide back on the drugs after she took that hit with Jesse. She's probably doing the drugs 100% harder than when she got off them 18 months ago.
Addictions are terrible. Try cigarettes - you stop completely, relapse and are smoking double what you were when you quit. That's why I think Jane's relapse and renewed drug use will kill her. Jesse's building up to his Waterloo of drug consumption, while Jane's speeding past hers.
I don't think Walt and Gus will become 'friends.' I think Gus is way too careful to make friends in those low places. You don't survive in that business - let alone PROSPER - for twenty years by getting too close.
The surgeon who saw Walt in this episode was the same surgeon who Tony Soprano had to straighten out for dissing Uncle Jun'. The surgeon got mad when Junior got a second opinion. Tony and Furio backed him into a pond on a golf course till he got the message to show Uncle Jun' some respect. Would be kinda funny if Heisenberg did something similar.
What are we all gonna do when this is all over till the next season starts?!? Besides go crazy?
Hey, I just gave myself an idea (about what we will do while jonesin' for BB during the hiatus.) Why don't we start our own story threads? Then different plot twists and stuff could be posted by everybody like our comments are now. We'd probably end up with a mess, but at least it would be fun. Be kinda cool to start a story and then check it out the next day and see where other people have taken it. We'd just have to agree to respect each other enough not to be rude. (Like that will last, but hope springs eternal.) Whadda you guys think?
Again, a magnificent episode... It would be my suggestion that everyone go out and buy each seasons DVD because Breaking Bad is one that will one day be put away in the Hollywood archives vault in fear that such great writings would be lost. I'm curios if Hank will blog on this even though his busy schedule working DEA and running his boot leg brewery kept him out of this weeks episode. Vince Gilligan, I applaud you with a standing ovation. AMC also deserves recognition for having taking the chance of getting negative reviews and still airing Breaking Bad only slightly cut. On a down note, only two episodes remain in season two... It will be a sad day in television broadcasting after 5/31/09 until 00/00/10
i love this show jessie is going down hill. but i have to say i do like the guy and i can see why walt does too. but walt did get the drugs and sold them for 1.2mill and jessie thinks someone stole them. do you think walt will tell jess or not? just on a side note if you want a computer go to http://www.Coast2coastpc.com i just got my laptop their it has to be the best computer financing company around, finance a pc, no credit check and if you are looking to rebuild your credit it is a good way too, But back to this bad a** show i really hope the best for jessie, i mean there is something about him you have to love. Walt its nice to see him growing more ball every time we see him
I agree with Eddie...Jesse will pull through somehow; they can't kill him off or that would be the end of the show (it would for me anyway, since I'm liking Walt less and less with each episode...)
I kind of feel like Jesse sent Jane to the smack store. it wasn't so much as Jane corrupting Jesse as it was the Jesse getting Jane back to her old ways.
The opening was intense.. what some sort of initiation for young gang bangers?
The Jesse floating in the room with a song singing "Enchanting "... Viva Nuevo Mexico :)
I was wondering week if it was going to be mexican tar .. should of known it would of been a speedball.
Walt's frenzy at the end... like now we really can relax till next week ;)
OMG I love this show and just had to join to let everyone know that this season is rocking. Cant believe jesse would do that to his GF - get her hooked on the shit again, you can see the guilt in his eyes. he is going to fuck everything up - getting mixed into H is not a good sign! I hope he sees the light and realizes what he is doing. So sad to see it happen to him
AMC NEVER fire your writers for this show - this show needs some emmys! my god - I am as hooked as Jesse is to meth - please keep this show on - I never have seen such a gritty, amazing show before..And even though Jesse is on meth - my god is he hot!! Have been watching him on big love and cant wait to see this kid in more stuff
i love the titles to this show- the periodic table. I forget what Bryan Cranston's symbol is. But look up "Heisenberg" on Wiki- great symbolism in the name. How the hell did they get such a great show on TV? So addicted to this show!!
Moderators, please direct your attention to agreenberg; I'm pretty sure there's no need to shill for computers and financing here. Really, I stopped reading that post after seeing the hyperlink.
Jessefn said: "Cant believe jesse would do that to his GF - get her hooked on the shit again, you can see the guilt in his eyes."
Jesse did no such thing. Jesse asked Jane to leave so he could smoke some crystal. She chose to stay and get high. Jane's addiction (great band by the way, LOL) is all on Jane - not Jesse.
Werner K wrote "Moderators, please direct your attention to agreenberg; I'm pretty sure there's no need to shill for computers and financing here. Really, I stopped reading that post after seeing the hyperlink."
What is up with that link? I noticed that some of our posts were copied and pasted to that blog page as if the author wrote them, including one of my own that I saw. What is up with that?
skottey: If Gus knew that Walt's brother-in-law was a DEA agent, wouldn't that send a red flag up immediately to a man that's supposed to be such a low key and cautious dealer such as himself that as never been caught in 20 years?
A revised prediction here: The DEA catches Gus with all that blue meth after he gets it from Walt, and Hank thinks it's the real Heisenberg because Gus is an older bald guy (as per Badger's description). Gus will then think he was set up, and that's when the fun will start!
Ok, i finally watched the episode and read just about all yourt guys' comments. I hated waitig a day! What an episode! I truly didn't see this dark turn coming for Jesse. So sad. I always had kind of that he was just a casual user, but once someone turns to the needle, not too many people come back from that. When I was 23 my husband got involved with drugs but kept it hidden from me. I knew he drank and smoked a little pot but he was actually secretly shooting up heroin. I was so naive. I threatened to leave him in an effort to scare him straight and it worked for a while. He tried to stay clean but one morning when I was asleep he snuck off to get high and crawled back in bed with me, Since he'd been clean for a few weeks his system wasn't used to the amount he'd injected. I woke up to him dead in my bed. It was the worst moment of my life. I pray Jesse gets away from that awful needle. Jane and he are no good together and unless they both get in a program, their outoom is grim to say the least. I should have realized that Jesse's drug problem was as bas as bad as it is since in times of stress he always seems to turn to drugs. Remember how he had to get high to enter the skank's and Spooge's house, and how he holed up in his house for days on end getting high after that went awry? Thise are classic signs of a true addict. Sigh, I hope Jesse gets it together. It's against all odds, but some people do make it. I'm so mad at jane for introducing that damn needle to him.
Snownman just blew my mind. Jane runs off with Jesses share of the money, makes alot of sense. My only problem with that theory is that Vince Gilligan compared J&Js relationship with Romeo & Juliet,(more like Sid & Nancy imo). I'm looking forward to seeing J&J die for what they think is love. Their love for eachother and the dope
P.S.Is it me or is the fact that a black man running a chicken restarant a little....nevermind.
Operator 752....My brother is a college professer and he was explaining the Hesineberg uncertainy principle to me last night and the signifignace of Wat using that name as his pseudonym. Basically, the Heisenberg Uncertainly principle is a theory developed by a physicist in the early 20th centuty that states the way that light has two forms....it can be viewd as a solid mass or ray of lght... or as a grouping of individual particles. it (light) must onle decide which form to take on once it's being observed. Kind of like our character Walt/Heisenberg. Depending whom he''s with he adapts a different form. When around his family, he takes on the form of mild-manned Walt. When he is observed by the criminal people in his life he takes on the Heisenberg persona. Depending on who's viewing him, he takesmust decide what form he takes on.... just like light does according to Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics. Heisenberg's name was no accident.
Slygirl08..Woah. I heard on the insider the work they put in finding a song to play in sequence with Jesse's first time with dope. These writers aint fucking around.
skottey: Another thing comes to mind - Saul probably would not tell Gus that Walt's brother-in-law is a DEA agent. This would scare off Gus big-time, and if the deal doesn't go down because of this, Saul will never get his cut of $$$$ from that 38lbs. of meth. Saul may have to pay the piper for withholding that tidbit of information from Gus. He definitely will not take too kindly his 20 year record of not getting caught flushed down the shitter!
I just looked at the time of my post. I'm in California and it's 10:33am here....NM time is an hour later and East coast time is 3 hours later. Where is it 2 hours later (12:33pm)???
The Ankle Grab: I took some liberties with the dialogue. I trimmed it down to the most important parts and will comment on it. This is regarding Walt’s revelation of the kingpin known as Gus.
Gus: I don’t think we’re alike at all, Mr. White. You are not a cautious man at all. Your partner was late and he was high.
Walt: Yes. Yes, he was.
Gus: He’s high often isn’t he? You have poor judgment. I can’t work with someone with poor judgment.
Walt: Now, who I choose to do business with is not your problem.
Gus: I have to ask – why? Why him?
Walt: Because he does what I say. Because I can trust him.
Gus: You can never trust a drug addict.
Here we are BB fans. We are watching, dare I say, a prophesy spoken into the show? Jesse’s drug addiction will become a further hurdle that Walt will have to jump. Jesse really is making me feel unsettled with the relationship of Jane. Yes, James26, you were right. I was the first to point out your hatred and the first to join your troops, so have your party. The previews knock the wind out of your sails when she tells Walt that she’ll burn him to the ground. How could Jesse even let her do that? Walt is a killer with big ambitions and a very cautious man looking over his shoulder. I believe that she won’t be in the front very much longer. I believe that she’ll take Jesse’s money and run. Run away from danger, run away from daddy, and keep all that is Jesse’s for herself. I don’t think that he would be lucky enough for her to overdose.
So all of this begs the question – if Jesse has nothing, or if he is caught, will he sell out Walt? Will he show the same loyalty that Walt just showed him? I think that Gus answered that question. You can never trust a drug addict.
Do you guys think Walt will admit to Jese that they weren't robbed....or let him cvontinue on his downward spiral of drugs and keep all the money for himself? I can't imagine Walt doing that to Jesse....but Walt's true alliance is to his family and Heisenberg doesn't really think with his heart. Heisenberg is all about business and making money. i hope his fondness for Jesse prevails and he dowe the right thing. I think we will. What say you?
Perhaps what was most frightening about Sunday Nights ep is this incredible show is only in it's second season. At least 4 seasons are planned, maybe a 5th if all the stars aligned perfectly. But did any of us see BB getting this dark. Wow!
Jesse would most certainly tack on a "YO!!" to that question. LOL
Except, as seen in this ep...Jesse Pinkman (Aaron Paul/brilliant) is a lost cause. He truly has become the loser his well-to-do parents feared.. A likeable young man with a large heart, but now vacant. Thanks Heroin!! But really thanks go out to his would be girlfriend, the bad news landlady, or better known as Skank II (Am I right James26? :) )
The sand line between Jesse and Walt, beyond their age difference, their perspective on life has never been more defined than right now. Not only does Walt not care that a member of Jesse's make shift cartel is slain point blank, he no longer wants Jesse as a partner. I think this entire ep was the separating of the drug addict from the businessman. And it leaves Jesse stranded like road kill along the road of hard knocks.
I read comments about Jesse and how rotten he and Jane are and they should be killed. Whoa------slow down just a bit. We now picking what we deem as exceptable behaviour in our shows characters. Has Jesse killed anyone??? Has he ripped his partner off????? No...............he is an addict that needs help. Jane has got to go for Jesse to survive. (Am I right James26??)
It looks like the title of the show 'BREAKING BAD' is so right on. It seems like the entire cast is Breaking Bad at different levels. I think Vince is Breaking Bad to some degree. LOL
Love the show, and enjoy reading all of the comments.
Perhaps what was most frightening about Sunday Nights ep is this incredible show is only in it's second season. At least 4 seasons are planned, maybe a 5th if all the stars aligned perfectly. But did any of us see BB getting this dark. Wow!
Jesse would most certainly tack on a "YO!!" to that question. LOL
Except, as seen in this ep...Jesse Pinkman (Aaron Paul/brilliant) is a lost cause. He truly has become the loser his well-to-do parents feared.. A likeable young man with a large heart, but now vacant. Thanks Heroin!! But really thanks go out to his would be girlfriend, the bad news landlady, or better known as Skank II (Am I right James26? :) )
The sand line between Jesse and Walt, beyond their age difference, their perspective on life has never been more defined than right now. Not only does Walt not care that a member of Jesse's make shift cartel is slain point blank, he no longer wants Jesse as a partner. I think this entire ep was the separating of the drug addict from the businessman. And it leaves Jesse stranded like road kill along the road of hard knocks.
I read comments about Jesse and how rotten he and Jane are and they should be killed. Whoa------slow down just a bit. We now picking what we deem as exceptable behaviour in our shows characters. Has Jesse killed anyone??? Has he ripped his partner off????? No...............he is an addict that needs help. Jane has got to go for Jesse to survive. (Am I right James26??)
It looks like the title of the show 'BREAKING BAD' is so right on. It seems like the entire cast is Breaking Bad at different levels. I think Vince is Breaking Bad to some degree. LOL
Love the show, and enjoy reading all of the comments.
Slygirl: So sorry about your husband. Very sad.
When Walt and Jesse were talking to Saul about their infrastructure, Walt brought up the very important point of payback. Whose dealers shot Combo? Was it the Juarez boys? Was it the Gus’ crew? What if Heisenberg retaliates? Who is he going up against? How will it affect his family?
Now, about Exit 13 on I-25... I guess it's just yet another game that the writers are playing with us: Series 2 has 13 episodes, Sky was initially scheduled for c section on the 13th, and Walt is to deliver the drugs on Exit 13... I love how this show is packed with all those inside jokes left for us to discover!
Looking toward the future, I am wondering how they get another barrel of methylamine. Tassel ski masks again? Will the cops be waiting next time around?
Gus is a pychopath with brains. He will not hesitate to have his connections take out anyone who is not 100% on board, and not screwing up. Sorry Jesse.................You better get your act together and fast.
Walt and Gus will never be close. Strictly business!
Damn guys. Who's going to be in those body bags?! Is it going to be Jesse and Jane, or is it going to be Skyler and Walt Jr.??? Damn this shit is crazy.
Laz3000 - I like your scenario with Jane taking Jesse's money and running away from him and her Daddy. That'll be impetus enough to get him straight, and I'm afraid that he'll get killed off if he doesn't get clean and fast! And not by Gus or Walt, but by the writers. If they're making him unlikable and he's making really bad choices it stands to reason they're planning on getting rid of his character. I will be very upset if Jesse is in one of those body bags!!
And then....Jane's dad will go looking for her with his goons and it'll start at Jesse's doorstep.
Slygirl, when Hank shot Tuco and the DEA kept Jesse’s money, Jesse complained that Walt should share half of the remaining money. Walt felt really bad about the spate of bad luck that had befallen Jesse, i.e. lost his house, his car, his motorcycle, his share of the cash, became a port-o-potty-smurf, etc. In spite of originally telling Jesse no, Walt did give Jesse half - well almost half. I think Walt did it out of compassion. Most of the events that befell Jesse were not the result of Jesse’s direct actions. That perhaps played into Walt’s compassion.
Of course that was nowhere near 1.2 million. I doubt Walt will have the same amount of compassion towards Jesse in this case. Perhaps Walt will pay him for assisting in the production and maybe an R&D bonus for coming up with a clever robot concept.
The last episode is called ABQ... the code for the Albuquerque airport. Perhaps that's where the last chapters of this season are staged at? With Jane fleeing with Jesse's money, Jesse collapsing into drugs after being cheated by the monster he created after dragging Jane back into h., with Jane's dad seeking revenge for what happened, and with Gus' hitmen coming to clean the whole mess and settle things down...
Did anyone notice that the kids in Walt's class were a lot better behaved than they were last season?? No one even remarked about the cell phone going off in the ceiling.... a little more of Heisenberg in the classroom maybe??
pg1978 said: Jesse collapsing into drugs after being cheated by the monster he created "after dragging Jane back into h." Jesse didn't drag Jane anywhere, in fact he told her to leave so he could be alone, smoke some meth, and mourn the lose of his friend. Jane came back on her own. As we all know, HUGE MISTAKE!!!! :)
In regard to the loyalty that Jesse and Walter have for one another. Remember in the first season after they disposed of Emilio and Krazy-8 they both went their separate ways que sera, sera. But Jesse did wind up selling that small batch they made. Everyone bragged about how good it was and Jesse went to see Walter at his house and gave him a few thousand dollars from the supply that he had and told him how all is customers raved about the product
Jesse sought out Walter out of loyalty and to let him know that he did indeed have a great product on hand. Jesse didn’t have to do that. He could have kept the money himself and that would have been the end of it. But in Walter he saw both a partner that had the chemistry right and some sort of guiding hand. As Jesse has been fond of saying “50-50 partners!”
I can understand Walt being pissed at Jesse now for this latest misstep. He had to miss the birth of his daughter because Jesse fell asleep at the wheel because he is now aboard the H Train big time. So I can see why Walter wouldn’t’ want to give him anything. But regardless of Jesse’s addiction and actions, he is still his partner. He came to Jesse to get into this business and has kept Jesse in it himself. Jesse pretty much lost his home, his money, and his car, and almost his life on a couple of occasions because of everything that Walter has asked of him.
Now when they finally make a big score Walter is going to hold out on him. I think if I were Jesse I would be pissed and drop a dime on Walter too. Walter forgets that he has much more to lose in the fact that he has still been keeping a secret from his family. A secret worth a lot more than the split of 1.2 million dollars. He should be happy to pay Jesse and be rid of him if he indeed want’s to sever his partnership. But just giving the guy nothing will only create a bigger problem for Walter and he should realize that. His ego has gotten way out of line and Heisenburg is going to write the check that Walt won’t be able to cash real soon.
bigfreakinnaz - I totally forgot about the probablility of Gus knowing that Walt's brother-in-law was a DEA agent. I assume he does if he is as careful as we are being led to believe. Like you said, what if Saul withheld that information from Gus...it could get ugly real fast.
pg1978 - So ABQ is an airport code? That explains an air traffic controller in the main credits of the ABQ episode. Now I am REALLY curious as to what happens.
I thought someone said that the BB people had said in a podcast that the opening scenes with the pink bear and the body bags would not be resolved this season. Is that right?
@ laz3000
I was wondering the same thing. But now that they've hooked up, I'm sure Gus with all his connections will more than happily provide whatever Walt needs.
Just a thought... if filming was done at the airport, wouldn't somebody who is a fan of the show be talking about it who was there and roped off of a certain section during filming?
It just seems like we'd hear about it. They wouldn't have shut the airport down to film unless they did it at night. But then it would be dark. That would be a lot of permitting with TSA to use the real airport for filming (other than the drop off/pick up at the door).
I can't see them creating huge parts of a real airport on the set.
Sloe- very true anout walt's generousity and fairness with Jesse. I thought it was really cool of him to demand pain and suffering money for Jesse after Tuco's beating left him in the hospital
(PS that "A robot?" line still cracks me up!")
wichopunkass - It's really impressive how much thought goes into the songs and all of the other aspects of this awesome show. I just started listening to the podcsats and am finding just how much reserach the creators do finding just the right song or details to help tell the story or set the mood for each episode. Simply brilliant.
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@ mnsteph
"I thought someone said that the BB people had said in a podcast that the opening scenes with the pink bear and the body bags would not be resolved this season. Is that right?"
You know I was thinking about that myself. What if it doesn't even happen this season? Or what if it does but it's unresolved as you say, like it happens, but then the season ends like that, and we don't even get to know who is in those body bags. Damnit, I'm afarid that IS what is going to happen. That would be quite cruel, and quite a cliff hanger. Shit imagine having to wait a whole year, not just one week to see who's in those body bags. I hope not. I don't know if I could stand that.
I'm wondering if Gus will kill Jesse for the following reasons:
1. Gus knows Walt and Jesse's identities. As others have pointed out, Gus called Walt "Mr. White" and Jesse acknowledged that Gus knew their identities when he sat down with Walt in the restaurant.
2. Gus probably did some digging on Walt and Jesse before their first time in the restaurant. Remember that Gus asked Walt whether Jesse was high often. It didn't sound like a question so much as something Gus already knew.
3. Gus's warning to Walt that "You can't trust a drug addict" was more than free advice. Gus was stating his intentions towards Jesse. If Walt wants to do business with Gus, Jesse will have to go.
4. Gus asked Walt to confirm that Jesse provides no real value to the partnership. I forget his exact words, but it was something like, "Answer one question, why work with him?" Gus wanted to confirm that he could kill Jesse without any impact on Walt's ability to do business. Walt's answer didn't exactly help Jesse out in that regard.
5. Gus's demeanor when he finally acknowledged he was Walt's contact was chilling. He's the type of "cautious" that will kill anyone who puts him at the slightest risk. Jesse is a big risk.
I'm not sure how it will all play out in the final episode of this season, but Jesse is probably going down. Especially since the producers originally planned to kill him off in the first season.
Yeah, skottey, 300... we'll all need some sort of support groups of "breaking-baders-anonymous" to discuss our addiction rather than new threads during the mid-season fasting, where we'll be predicting what's gonna happen in the 3rd season, lol
ummm...Isn't Arron paul signed on for season three?
I believe someone has already mentioned this in an earlier post, but it's really freaking me out how alot of people on this board have turned on Jesse so quickly.
skottey, FYI: They did rent out the airport for a day in "4 Days Out". It was on the podcast. It was a big part of their budget, I guess. But it was only used for a couple of their shots.
As for any upcoming episodes, they may use a hangar or a closed off terminal. Just a thought.
They are calling this the best show on TV ever, but do you think the viewers are really there if their budget is that low? Well, we all are here. Maybe the budget will grow a little larger next year.
@ mnsteph
"I thought someone said that the BB people had said in a podcast that the opening scenes with the pink bear and the body bags would not be resolved this season. Is that right?" You know I was thinking about that myself. What if it doesn't even happen this season? Or what if it does but it's unresolved as you say, like it happens, but then the season ends like that, and we don't even get to know who is in those body bags. Damnit, I'm afarid that IS what is going to happen. That would be quite cruel, and quite a cliff hanger. Shit imagine having to wait a whole year, not just one week to see who's in those body bags. I hope not. I don't know if I could stand that.
l was listening to that myself and it seemed that Vince Gilligan was joking during that part. I'm pretty sure that he said he was joking. But they would do that. It makes me nervous, too.
I'm the one who commented about the podcast when they were talking about that opening scene with the bodybags and the pink teddy bear. All they really said was about how pissed the fans would be if that wasnt explained by the end of the season. (They were laughing at us). They didnt give any other info about it, though.
laz: to paraphrase Gus, "you can never trust a BB screenwriter" :) Now, come to think about it, I wouldn't be the least surprised if the pool scene was the final scene from the very last episode of the show -- whichever season that would be, 4 or 5. It would, in a way, make perfect sense, and would make my admiration for the writers go sky high: that'd prove that they had the whole conception of the series very well thought through already at a relatively early stage of the show, and that they didn't intend to stretch the show endlessly, but rather considered it as one story delivered in 4 or 5 installments.
By mikebiff2325 on May 19, 2009 7:06 PM
I'm the one who commented about the podcast when they were talking about that opening scene with the bodybags and the pink teddy bear. All they really said was about how pissed the fans would be if that wasnt explained by the end of the season. (They were laughing at us). They didnt give any other info about it, though.
Bastards!! How could they even think of leaving us hanging like that not knowing who's in those bags?! LOL.
laz3000
"They are calling this the best show on TV ever, but do you think the viewers are really there if their budget is that low? Well, we all are here. Maybe the budget will grow a little larger next year."
Yeah I agree. It's definitely one of the BEST shows ever. They improved upon SO much from season 1 which had some blah episodes that kinda dragged. Season 2 has been an adrenaline pumped roller coaster ride the whole way through. I have been SO pleasantly shocked man. I can't believe it when I tell all my buddies about it and they're not watching it. It is SO good. They've REALLY outdone themselves this season. I didn't want to say anything so not to jinx this season but with only 2 episodes left to go I figured what the hell they've been doing so good they can't mess this shit up now it's going to be good all the way through! Yeah baby what a ride! LOL.
By tj on May 19, 2009 7:04 PM
This show is the first one I've been loyal to. It deserves all the awards it can get.
Me too. Agreed.
By operator_752 on May 19, 2009 1:32 AM
How the hell did they get such a great show on TV? So addicted to this show!!
I sometimes wondered the same thing. Me too.
By jessefn on May 19, 2009 12:05 AM
AMC NEVER fire your writers for this show - this show needs some emmys! my god - I am as hooked as Jesse is to meth - please keep this show on - I never have seen such a gritty, amazing show before..And even though Jesse is on meth - my god is he hot!! Have been watching him on big love and cant wait to see this kid in more stuff
Me too! And to the second part about Jesse being hot. LOL! I am a guy but I couldn't help but wonder how many chicks out there watching the show thought if he was hot or not. Funny stuff man.
By sweetposey on May 18, 2009 10:13 PM
What are we all gonna do when this is all over till the next season starts?!? Besides go crazy?
Good question!
By tj on May 18, 2009 9:53 PM
I am so addicted to this show, I think I'm starting to understand what a junkie means when they NEED a fix. I need to have next sunday come sooner than a week from now. Waiting is agony.
Yo tambien!
By presbyopic on May 18, 2009 10:50 PM
I agree with Eddie...Jesse will pull through somehow; they can't kill him off or that would be the end of the show.
I somehow have to agree with this, although he acts dumb as hell sometimes, a lot dumber than he should be. I would like to see the the writers allow him to be a little smarter. I mean c'mon, how could he not know to say "copper" and not "wire" when Walt was trying to teach him about the battery? But yeah, I agree, he's an integral part of the show. I'd have a hard time not seeing him on for season 3.
By RCH2288 on May 18, 2009 9:17 PM
Some memorable roles that Giancarlo Esposito has played.
A small but memorable role as Detective Baer in "The Usual Suspects" he is one of the first guys that helps to unravel the never ending question "Who is Keyser Soze?"
He played the Heroin dealer Esteban in
"Fresh"
And who could ever forget his coke bottle glasses and black power emotion as Buggin Out in "Do the Right Thing"
And now Gustavo Frings the mild mannered Chicken Roaster restaurant owner by day and probably calculating, cold blooded killer drug dealer by night. I have a feeling many will be remembering this recent role for a very long time!
Thanks for that RCH2288.
By tucosgrill on May 18, 2009 6:39 PM
As soon as I saw Giancarlo Esposito in the credits, I knew he would be the drug connection. He is a great actor. We first saw him in "Taps" almost thirty years ago. Since then he has done a little of everything. Very versatile. This show is so well cast and every actor seems perfect for the part they play. Kudos to Bob Odenkirk as Saul. He used to write for SNL and wrote all of Chris Farley's best stuff. He is terrific in "Breaking Bad".
Wow. Great info.
Damn it I think that's enough quotes for today. I just couldn't help myself and got a little carried away there. I blame my OCD. There was still one more I was looking for but just couldn't find it. Oh well.
It's funny that The Usual Suspects came up because I mentioned that last week. It was odd to see Giancarlo Esposito when his part was so fresh in my mind. I was like, "Hey, I just mentioned that movie on the boards the other day!" No one cared but me of course. Still, it was funny to know that I'm so into this show that I would do the same casting that they are doing. His pronunciation of every word looked creepy. Didn't it? I was like, "Ooohhh..." I think he'll really bring a lot more depth to these characters and the Rubik's Cube that is this show.
There is a Breaking Bad forum that some of us have joined that is called Grey Matter. I'll find the link and post it.
For anyone that wanted to expand their horizons. I've joined, but my opinion is still out.
I guess I like it here because a few of us were here from season 1 when no one was really paying attention and we just stuck it out... and now we get to say we told ya so :)
It seems like its spreading like wildfire now and its great to see so much enthusiasm whenever I wear my swag (shirt and cap) out.
Quote by laz: I was like, "Hey, I just mentioned that movie on the boards the other day!" No one cared but me of course.
Sorry, young'un...it's been TOO wild, in here this week, to be able to respond...much less keep up & read, all the new posts!
I've been waiting for things to calm down & clear my head, to write my own, more detailed opinions.
However...hopefully, I speak for ALL of us here...
YOU are our "Official Mascot" for Breaking Bad!!!
This forums WOULD NOT, be the SAME without YOU, laz3000!!! =)
"You can't trust a drug addict" -- I'm actually inclined to think that these words are meant to reflect Jesse's trust in Jane rather than Walt's trust in Jesse... Now, once Jane is back on h., she's not the same Jane anymore -- she'll turn back on Jesse, run away from him with Walt's money, and eventually OD, which will break Jesse's heart.
I'm beginning to get convinced Jesse will live through Season 3 :)
The whole blackmail thing combined with possible Jane's death will immediately cause two parties to intervene: Jane's father on one side, and Gus and his boys on the other.
Although I'd love to see the pool scene as the final scene of the very last episode of the series (what a cliffhanger that'd be!), I think it's actually more likely to be the last scene of Season 2: while Sky is gone (recall that her car wasn't in the parkway -- she's still in hospital? got fed up with Walt's lies and left him? flew out of ABQ?), somebody comes to Walt's house in an attempt to kill him and Jesse -- either Jane's father seeking revenge, or Gus' boys "cleaning up" the mess -- and accidentally kills someone mistakenly taken for these two.
Who that might be?
Someone who physically resembles Walt (mid-age and bald) and Jesse? who's got access to Walt's car (Walt's car was all damaged -- is that where the hit was made?)? whose death at Walt's house wouldn't bring DEA's attention to Walt?
How the hazmat uniforms fit in that picture? how the pink monster does?
Los Pollos Hermanos, owned by the biggest drug kingpin in the Land of Enchantment, causes me to rethink how my favorite food chain has grown so quickly. :(
I won't stop eating there, the food is awesome.
Maybe I should stop worrying and have a burrito. Four bucks and some change, several different meat, cheese and veggie options.
I'm a big fan of the Carnitas, with chorizo and eggs a close second.
I guess I like it here because a few of us were here from season 1 when no one was really paying attention and we just stuck it out... and now we get to say we told ya so :)
It seems like its spreading like wildfire now and its great to see so much enthusiasm whenever I wear my swag (shirt and cap) out.
My thoughts exactly. I love going to this forum after each episode as much as I love this show. I feel like those of us that were watching from the beginning bought in on the Microsoft IPO in 1993. Okay that is a slight exageration but you get my point.
It is a great feeling to know there are others like me that love this show and support in the way they do by spreading the word about it and getting others to watch that haven't seen it. Las season I was the only one at my job that watched it. This year there are now 9 of us. Monday morning we get nothing done for the first two hours because we are talking about this show for that time period.
I feel like Combo, Skinny Pete, and Badger selling on my corner to my co workers to get them hooked and coming back for more
Okay, I admit I'm going a little insane trying to figure out what is going to happen in the season finale ABQ. Consider the following two episode pages, IMDb and MSN TV.
The description from the MSN page reads, Skyler's frustration with Walt's secrecy finally comes to a head; Jesse self-destructs after a personal blow; Donald's grief leads to tragedy.
The IMDb characters list certainly adds weight to the theory the "ABQ" moniker does refer to the airport code,
Brother Eden Douglas ... Air Traffic Controller
Otherwise in that list, we have the usual cast, plus Hank, Gomie, both doctors, Gus, Donald, two new characters (probably small but who knows) Paul and Mike. Paul is played by Daniel D. Halleck; who according to his IMDb information, has not appeared in a role since Days of Our Lives in 1994. However, he's been involved with AA since 1984. That may be telling us something. However, there is no Saul in the final episode.
But holy bananas... Jesse's personal blow? Donald's grief? Goooooooooooodbye Jane, we hardly knew ye.
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To postulate my guess, the two characters yet to be introduced, Paul and Mike, may be the two bodies in the body bags. They may be henchmen sent to Walt's home when the explosion occurs.
I'm still scratching my head over why the men recovering Walt's personal effects from the pool were wearing haz-mat suits.
Of course there's the possibility that the foreseen explosion doesn't even happen this season, so really I'm playing connect the dots without any numbers or even all the dots.
Jane appears in Episode 13 as well, so even though I'm pretty sure she takes a dirt nap, it won't be next week.
Also... another unknown character shows up in Ep 13; Karen Bernstein played by Juliet Lopez.
There is just far too much story left to be told for me to be satisfied with only two more episodes this year!
Even though there are additional forums for Breaking Bad (and for MadMen for that matter), I always think participation at their official AMC site helps the series. More participation (and volume) here with people dropping by to read the comments, the more it boosts interest, curiosity in the show. Like, gee, alot of people are commenting on this series, etc.
Werner K.: Isn't Karen the principal at Walt's school?
I'm pretty sure the pool scene is from Season 2. Remember that Season 3 was announced to launch in mid-April, already when the current season was on air -- so, I find it highly unlike that the writers would introduce scenes from the season that wasn't even scheduled for production at the time when they were shooting "Over". It's unfortunate, really, as I'd love that scene to be a part of a future season.
I can't possibly imagine how Walt could explain two dead homies in his pool to the police. OK, I'll say it: I suspect one of these bodies might be Hank :( Explaining his death as a hit made by boys from Juarez sounds like a plausible excuse on Walt's part -- on the other hand, both Hank and Walt are bald and of similar age, and can be easily mistaken by Gus' henchmen/Jane's father/whoever comes after Walt and Jesse. Who's in the other bag...? Let's just pray it's not Walter Jr...
I can follow a certain train of thought that leads me to believe it could be Hank, that he survived the shootout with Tuco, he survived the tortoise IED; but falls victim to an explosion when he never expected danger at Walt's house. I'm sure that if this were the case, his death along with another primary BB character, AND Jane; would illustrate the sorts of collateral damage Walt's decision has caused.
Also, we can presume Walt was home by the presence of his glasses and his Aztek parked in the driveway. The evidence crew has taken similar precautions as if they were cleaning up a meth lab crime scene. So, if we are to presume Walt survives the finale, he might have been injured in the blast. (Note the house appears intact.) So puzzled how the explosion would require those hazmat suits, they certainly wouldn't be required for a gas-powered on-demand water heater explosion, or just about any kind of other explosive that could be created to do harm.
Hey I read almost all the comments... Its Interesting reading what you guys have to say... I don't know if anyone will see this because it's been a while since anyone posted anything but this is The Real Combo from the show... Well I'm the actor who plays him... My name is Rodney Rush... This show is Fucking Crazy eh....? I had a blast doing it... Let me know if you have any questions for me. I don't know the outcome or anything but I can tell you all about filming and shit. I'm actually born and raised in Albuquerque... Let me know!
NOWAY! Nice to meet you Rodney man. You had a crazy haircut in the show. Damn it sucks they had you go out like that though getting popped by that little kid and shit. I thought you were gonna have a shootout with those 2 dudes in the car or something. That sucked man, and it really sucked that freaking Walt didn't even know which one of Jesse's boys you were. Anyways congrats on the show man. You did a great job.
I thought you were one of the coolest of Jesse's boys. Hopefully this'll bring you a lot more acting jobs in the future. Peace.
I've been a fan since season one and I can't wait until season two comes out on dvd. The premise of a chemistry teacher making meth to finance his cancer treatment and setting his family up after his demise is genius television. Breaking Bad is fresh and innovative with each new episode. Episode 11 started off with a bang literally, with Jesse's friend and street dealer Kombo getting shot by a young kid on a bike. I knew something was up when that kid came up on Kombo after the two guys in the black car came up mad dogging and drove away. First of all, when it comes to street dealing Jesse should have recruited more street dealers, look outs, and enforcers. It wasn't a wise decision on Jesse's part to have his main lieutenants on the street dealing hand to hand without having someone else to back them up, that's one of the main reasons why Badger got popped. Well Badger wasn't that smart anyway, it was only a matter of time for him to get popped by the police. Walt and Skylar are meeting with Walt's doctor and a specialist. Walt's doctor tells Walt that he needs to have the cancer in his lung removed before it has a chance to spread. The specialist explains the surgery and tells Walt it will cost 200,000 dollars for the procedure. Walt ponders about it for a moment, then tells his doctor he'll have the surgery. The doctors set the date for Walt's surgery two weeks after the birth of his daughter. Jesse explains to Walt about Kombos murder, so Walt sets up a meeting with their lawyer Saul and explains their employee dilemma. Saul asks how much product they have and tells Walt and Jesse he knows a guy who knows a guy that can buy their product in bulk. Saul tells them the buyer is very cautious and that they only have one shot with him.Jesse is feeling guilty about Kombo's murder and Skinny Pete pays Jesses a visit telling him about Kombo's funeral. Skinny Pete tells Jesse everyone knows that Jesse wasn't the one who killed Spooge and also tells Jesse he's out of the dope game. Jesse goes into a state of depression and his girlfriend Jane asks Jesse if he wants to go to a 12 step meeting. Jesse declines saying he is going to smoke some crystal and asks Jane to leave. Jane,a former addict who is 18 months clean, follows Jesse into his room and they begin their journey into oblivion. Walt sits patiently ,the following morning at a mexican fastfood restaurant, waiting for Jesse to show up. Jesee arrives late and under the influence of meth. Jesse is impatient and irritated about their meeting with the unknown buyer and ends up leaving. Walt waits a while but leaves to join Skylar at her sonogram. Jesse arrives at home and wakes up Jane and tells her they should go out and do something. Jane agrees, then immediately turns over to light up a pipe and smoke some crystal. Walt pays Saul a visit and demands to know why the unknown buyer didn't show up and Saul tells Walt the buyer didn't like what he saw. Skyler is going through some paperwork at work and finds dates and financial figures changed. Skylar confronts her boss and he doesn't deny changing the paperwork and he explains he was doing it for his employees welfare. Skylar lets her boss know she doesn't want anything to do with the company and tells her employer she won't say anything to the authorities. A determined Walt goes back to the mexican restaurant to see if can find the unknown buyer. Walts sits and waits all day and evening until it dawns on him that the unknown buyer is the manager. Walt confronts the manager but the manager tells Walt he has no clue what he's talking about. Walt refuses to leave until the manager has a sit down with him. The manager relents and tells Walt that he is careless and a bad judge of character. The manager explains to Walt that Jesse showed up late and high and that you can never trust a junkie. Walt tells the manager not to worry about Jesse and asks the manager if he was familiar with their product. The manager tells Walt that he is but that is was to late to conduct business because of Walt's carelessness. Meanwhile, Jane shows up at Jesse's place with two syringes and some heroine. Jane prepares the heroine and mixes some meth with it. Jesse asks what its like and Jane says its cold and that she'll meet him there. She doses Jesse up and sends him on his way to junkie bliss. The next day Walt returns to the mexican restaurant to look for the manager but he is nowhere to be found. Walt asks an employee and she explains she is the manager and the man Walt is talking about is the owner and has a slew of other restaurants he owns. On his way out the restaurant, a man bumps into Walt and tells him he has an hour to bring all 38 lbs of meth and if he's late to never show his face around there again. In a mad panic, Walt calls Jesse but he doesn't answer, so Walt rushes over to Jesses's. When Walt gets there he bangs on the door but no one answers , so Walt breaks in and wakes Jesse from his drug induced stupor long enough to get Jesse to tell him where the meth is stashed. Walt finds and bags up all 38 lbs and he gets a call from Skylar saying she is in labor. Walt ignores Skylar's call and decides to take the meth to the buyer. The previews for episode 12 show Jane trying to blackmail Walt for Jesse's cut of the drug money. Walt is faced with yet another tough decision. What should Walt do? He is in water with Skylar for missing the birth of their daughter and has two junkies trying to blackmail him for the drug money. I think Jesse has outlived his usefullness and his drug addiction will only get worse. Jane knew what she was doing and she made the decision to use again and she has introduced Jesse to the needle. Jesse is weak, dim, a junkie, and not to be trusted. Walt should eliminate both Jesse and Jane before they blow his cover and get out the dope game before they give him up.
pg1978 said: "Sky is gone (recall that her car wasn't in the parkway -- she's still in hospital? got fed up with Walt's lies and left him? flew out of ABQ?)"
I think you're on to something here. The synopsis from episode 13 says "Skyler's frustration with Walt's secrecy finally comes to a head." Perhaps she finally pack her stuff and leaves Walt because she's finally had enough of his b.s.
However, it's kind of interesting how Skyler finds herself in the middle of two criminal conspiracies: Ted's accounting irregularities and Walt's meth cooking. Maybe Walt will come clean by the end of the season and will tell his wife what he's up to. Perhaps somehow Gus is eliminated from the picture and Skyler ends up being the brains behind a whole new criminal operation. She could arrange for Walt's meth money to be laundered through Beneke Fabricators, giving Ted a cut to save his business. She seems intelligent enough and may have the business acumen that Walt lacks. Perhaps this will be her "Breaking Bad."
The Real ComboRodney, when you got the script for your scene, were you stunned at how your character was going to be killed? Did you know from the start that your character would be killed? How long did it take to film that scene? Have you acted in other things? Anything specific that you learned from the other actors that helped you in your technique?
What happened to Combo was breathtakingly shocking. I know I had trouble sleeping that night, and I don't think I was alone. You were excellent because NONE of us saw that coming.
Very sorry to see the 3 Musketeers go (Skinny Pete, Badger, Combo). They brought their own flavor of funkiness and charm to the show, and were a hoot to watch! Jesse has no friends left, now.
Congratulations on your success, and being fortunate as an actor to be in such a critically lauded, well written series. I hope this exposure will bring you more roles and success in the future, and that we'll see you soon either on the big or little screen.
Walt needs to sever his ties with Jesse now that he's shooting up and needs to hush Jane up to. Jesse has shown time and time again that he can't take care of business. It looked like Jesse was starting to turn things around but in the dope game there are only losers not winners in the end. Jane spells trouble for Walt now that she is trying to blackmail him. Walt is partially responsible for Jesse's situation and maybe if he didn't treat Jesse like crap, Jesse may have been more productive. I believe Walt's transformation to the darkside is complete and he needs to tie up his loose ends, Jesse and Jane, before things get more out of hand. Walt should get rid of his surplus of meth and get out of the business but that probably won't happen.
Newsflash- do you people know the legal problems an actor from the show would face for posting on a message board for the show? And that can't be the "real Combo", cause he was killed in the last episode, remember? He is in a pearl white casket 6 feet deep. Oh wait, maybe thats his ghost posting! Derrrrrrrrrrrr
Hey guys, this is the real Walt! Or you can call me Heisenberg, Mr. White, Bryan, Hal, or Dr. Whatley. Was just checking out your posts, and, boy, are they creative. You guys must stay up all night thinking this stuff up! Anywho, if anyone wants to know whats going to happen from now till the end of the show, just send me an E-mail. My address is TherealWalt@youareallfish.com. Can't wait to hear from you all. Oh, and P.S., send me ideas for the show, and I guarantee to give them to Vince and Mark. Ciao.
What, no guy-who-lived-next-door-to-Doug-Hefrenen-and-built-a-too-high-pool?
Dear the real "Walt",
Hal, if you think you're funny you've got another thing coming, Mister! Put a sock in it & get your butt home or you're gonna be sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lois
The main reason I post on other forums as opposed to here is this is too hard to read, you can't edit, and you can't delete or quote or anything. We need a proper forum AMC!
Though it is nice to see so many comments on episodes now, everyone seems to have more then the last.
i dont know guys but i think Jane is a Narc that wants to get Jesse's money, because when she shot up jessie, i looked at the background and she was just lying there, i think she wants to get all jesse's money, at first i thought she was a nice gurl. but now she is a freekinnnn trip in my book, hey guys leave comments on my profile.peace.
I leave to feed cattle and we are already up to 341 Wed. That's crazy!! Over 600 by showtime? Oh yeah!!
Couple of quick comments: The real Combo & Walt! Actors I'm sure aren't sitting around reading these posts. So--------------see ya boys!!
Aaron Paul is signed for season 3. So all of you that are wishing him dead...............ain't gonna happen this season. And besides the main storyline in the show is Walt & Jesse's relationship. Once that is dissolved, the show will soon follow. Hank too, he has to stay. The Dark Comedy comes from Jesse & Hank, they go, the dark Comedy goes.
Jane isn't a narc. She is a wounded person much like Jesse. But she is definately bad news for our boy Jess. She does have a badass streak I must say.
Again none of the main cast will be in the body bags. Come on guys. To much to explore with each character.
The cast of BB was awarded a Peabody monday. How cool is that!!
By mikebiff2325 on May 20, 2009 8:46 AM
Newsflash- do you people know the legal problems an actor from the show would face for posting on a message board for the show? And that can't be the "real Combo", cause he was killed in the last episode, remember? He is in a pearl white casket 6 feet deep. Oh wait, maybe thats his ghost posting! Derrrrrrrrrrrr
Damn so that's not the real combo? Lol.
By Lparsons7981 on May 20, 2009 9:38 AM
The main reason I post on other forums as opposed to here is this is too hard to read, you can't edit, and you can't delete or quote or anything. We need a proper forum AMC!
My thoughts EXACTLY. But until AMC gets around to it you could try this one that laz3000 told me about: http://greymatter.forumotion.net
Hey, Real Combo, if that's really you, I just wanna say you were great on the show, and very believable. I wish you would have had more screen time like Badger and Skinny Pete, who were also great.
While it could obviously be a fake, it wouldn't surprise me if Rodney Rush actually did post here. Remember several weeks ago, Paula, who played the transsexual that Badger sold meth to, posted here a few times as well.
laz-I actually did think of what you said about The Usual Suspects when I saw Giancarlo Esposito on the show! Maybe we'll see somebody from Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs next (two of my favorite movies)! :)
Werner K-Wow, I love what that preview says about Donald's grief leading to tragedy! That definitely sounds like Jane is gonna die! But what tragedy is his grief gonna lead to? Is he going to be responsible for the people in the body bags???
pg1978-I actually thought the same thing that you did, the fact that season three wasn't announced until well after this whole season was already filmed and airing on AMC. So the pink stuffed animal and body bags MUST have something to do with the end of this season. At least I hope so anyway...
People, people.... There are NO actors from the show posting on this website message board. No Walt, no Combo, and if there was someone posting as Paula, it wasn't her. Actors on the show could be sued for MILLIONS for posting on a board like this. There are very specific confidentiality clauses in their contracts where the actors would be in big trouble for that. And just because Aaron Paul is signed for season 3 doesn't mean that Jesse wont be killed off. Jesse could be killed in the next episode, but he could be in certain scenes next year, like dream sequences or Walts memories, although the actual character is dead.
mikebiff-I don't see how the actors could get in trouble just for posting here, as long as they don't give any spoilers or anything. Especially actors that aren't on the show anymore, like Combo.
Come on mikebiff2325, how can an actor possibly be sued by going to a website and making posts? And if they did, how would anybody find proof that it was indeed the real actor who made said posts? They can just simply deny making them, but maybe in your world they'd bust down his door and tear apart his hard drive.
Hey Slygirl08! I read the very touching story you wrote about your husband. You have my condolences, and I hope things have turned towards the good for you!
Thanks so much bigfreakinnaz. It was the darkest day of my life. You never expect something like that to happen to you and don't know how you'll ever survive it. Somehow, someway you do though. It will always haunt me and a prt of my heart definitely died that day. But, I've tried to learn from it. To know how precious life and love are and not take anything for granted. I know if i can survive that, i can survive anything. I have a greater appreciation for the pople I hold dear in my life now as I know in the blink of an eye they can be taken away from me. I just try to be the best person I can be and let my family and friends know how much I care about them, I wish Walt would see what's truly important. It's not his money, it's his time and love that his family needs most.
Actors need permission to talk about the show in any public forum, whether its on T.V. or the internet. Then why dont the real actors post and give hints about what will happen? They would never get caught, cause they could just say it wasn't them. But if you want to believe that was Combo, go right ahead. Sorry to interrupt, you guys can now go back to dreaming up ridiculous plot twists and turns. Combo will let you know who is right.
If actors did indeed post comments on forums such as this one giving away spoilers as to what's gonna happen, don't you think it would be against their best interest to do so? Say if an individual knew what would happen on an upcoming episode, they won't watch it, therefore they won't see the actor or actress do their performance or the sponsor's commercials, who pay AMC to broadcast the show. No sponsor money to AMC means no paycheck for an actor or actress. The main reason that actors and actresses probably don't go online or other places and talk about their show (except for syndicated talk broadcasts where they get paid to do so) is so they don't get socked by a bunch of people's stupid questions.
Oh, and I don't believe that was Combo - I'm not that stupid.
Sorry to disillusion y'all, but in several media interviews (written and broadcast), the actors from MadMen would refer to reading the AMC forum and knowing what the public was saying about their characters or what had happened to them. So, they do read the forum and our comments - that I do know.
Yes, I'm sure you're right as far as the actors' contractual obligations to not reveal plot lines or their own character's story arc, but I don't think AMC or the producers would police them in the privacy of their own home to prevent them from participating on a website under a pseudonym or even their own name if they chose. Free speech, contract or not. Otherwise that'd be a little too Orwellian, don't you think?
So if Combo is killed off, what would stop him from talking about anything else he might know about where the show is going (things he has seen or heard)? I'm pretty sure his paycheck looks a lot different now that he was killed off.
bfn Your logic is probably more accurate for why the actors don't participate in writing on a forum. They're already living it 24/7 by being in the production so why write about it - it'd be more work. But also, human nature - too tempting to steer the discussion in a specific direction to reveal something about the storyline without actually writing it themselves.
But, Combo was a very small temporary supporting role, and the actor who played him was local. This might have been one of his first major acting gigs. I could see him getting on-line and wanting to talk about it, even though he can't say anything about the storyline details - which I'm pretty sure he knows nothing about anyway. He was a minor character and there would've been no need for him to know anything about the rest of the story other than his immediate scene, so he wouldn't have been privy to that information anyway. He's as much in the dark about where it's going to go as we are.
It's like any job, you don't shit where you eat. He's not going to screw up with AMC or the producers by doing something like that. He wants a good reference doesn't he for future auditions?
Personally, for someone to go to all this trouble to log on for a minor, minor supporting character whose screen time and dialog doesn't even add up to 30 minutes would seem pretty diabolical and weird. We're not talking about a lead character, second lead support character or even a pivotal plot twist character. But if you think someone would go to all that trouble or screw themselves over in the acting profession now that they're off the show, well, I guess you do think someone would go to all that trouble.
Filming has been wrapped for a while now. I took it that the actor who played Combo, Rodney Rush, was excited about his experience and his character. Once this episode aired, he was very willing to talk about his character, what it was like filming, and the scenes he was in.
He was probably called in for a couple of days work for the few scenes he was in. They shot them, and he was sent home. End of story. He doesn't know anymore than we do.
If it was him (and I think it was), and he's violated some contract, believe me, he will hear from AMC, and we'll never see that moniker on the board again.
I don't think The Real ComboRodney Rush meant any harm - just think he was very pumped about his experience and character, and wanted to talk about it. Like I say, alot of trouble to go to over a small character role.
If that really was Rodney Rush, he probably didn't expect to cause this much commotion by posting here, lol. I wanna say again that I liked the character of Combo and wished he had gotten more screen time. If he was a local Albuquerque actor, then he did an amazing job in his first big gig!
slygirl: I'm curious. If you could sit down with a BB star, who would you choose to spend quality time with.
Me, I would like to spend some time with Dean. Maybe play a round of golf, and drink some cold ones.
noah: Oh, the answer is obvious -- I'd give 5 years of my life away to be able to hang out with Krysten Ritter, lol
But, seriously, from all the interviews, podcasts etc. RJ Mitte appeals to me the most -- it might be also that his character is really the only one without a dark side... but he just seems to be a genuinely nice, lovable person. Since I live in SoCal, I hope one day I'll have a chance to come across him on a street, and perhaps shake his hand -- that'd be an honor.
JANE'S HEROIN No one has brought this up specifically, but it's a plot detail that is bothering me.
When Jane offered to shoot up Jesse, she went to get heroin from her apartment, if I'm understanding the sequence of events correctly.
Why did Jane have any drugs in her possession in the first place? I thought she was 18 months clean. So what was Jane doing, holding onto any drugs? Or needles? Isn't what she gave Jesse heroin and meth? Is that a speedball? Or did she also have cocaine, too, to mix with the heroin?
If she had heroin, it already infers that Jane was either on the verge of relapsing or had already relapsed before she shot up Jesse. Any insight?
Nice name for episode :)
fifty seven minutes, not that I'm counting. LOL
sigh about 3 hours and 50 minutes lol
34 minutes, yo!!!
1 1/2 hours for me on the east coast. I don't watch live. Too suspenseful with the commercial breaks. I DVR baby and watch it from 11-11:45. I can't wait!
Highlight of my weekend! Now it is back to Resident Evil 5 on the 360 for 90 minutes.
I feel like a freakin' buzzard, lurking & hovering around, waiting for this show to start! =)
Ahhhhh...fresh meat!
skottey...I normally do the same thing. Gonna suffer thru the commercials tonight, tho!
It's on,it's on, it's on
Holy crap!
The sh%t is hitting the fan.......what an intro!
....jeese Skylar I don't think Walter would approve!
The kid! Wow. You got my attention.
Which one is that? Walt has really fallen. He has no soul left. Jesse, my heart goes out to him. He loses at every turn. His buddy, his newfound conscience, he dragged his new girl back down into the drugs. Walt, you're losing it. Going back to the fast food place, what are you thinkin. Desperation makes for mistakes man. Amazing that his instincts about that manager were right on though.
I'm pretty sure I saw that same paint job on a Lexus man. That is beautiful,.Skinny
Oh man Jesse, you are a gonner now that you're shootin. You'll never go back to smoking. The chicken guy is going to be right. Walt's not going to be able to trust him anymore. He's got a new master. Shit. Jesse, you were getting it together man.
Skylar, darling, if you only knew how close your hubby was walking the line, you wouldn't be so worried about prison.
You had to know Walt would have to choose between being there for the birth and being there for the meth and the meth would win. The meth always wins.
SO, Jane's a little blackmailer now hum? Got more balls than Jesse perhaps?
I KNEW IT!!! I knew Walt was going to miss the birth of his child because of his dope dealing! Skyler is not going to forgive him for this and her rich man back-up sure has turned out to be a flop. I also knew Jane was a hose-bag whore skank who was nothing but bad news!
man they really flipped the script on me, I thought they were trying to make Jesse into the more likeable character, turning it around from the first season, after this episode i think any chance of that is down the drain.
man they really flipped the script on me, I thought they were trying to make Jesse into the more likeable character, turning it around from the first season, after this episode i think any chance of that is down the drain.
I"ll be nice and wait till the west coast sees it before I comment! You're Welcome!
Not sure I like where the show is going. I know it is a "drug" show and all, but nothing has ever gone right for these guys. The show lets you get emotionally attached for their problems and then just trashes them weekly. I feel depressed coming out of this show, and next weeks previews only look worse. Thats not something I want to feel when I finish a weekly episode. Maybe I was looking for more of a buildup to the drug cartel. Weekly problems with it ala Sopranos. I just feel sorry for these guys now. Its sad really. Really just not looking forward to next week.
1. Whoever casts this show is boss.
2. Jesse is too sensitive, the lawyer is right, occupational hazzard.
3. I knew that chick was going to be a problem.
4. Walt needs to set his dealer phone to silent lol.
WOW!! This was one heck of an episode. Walt has really embraced his dark side... and Jesse, that poor kid makes some of the absolute worst choices. A person is never the same after the needle. This is going to make for some interesting twists now.
Not really sure what to say yet, at first it seemed like a boring episode (minus the beginning and the end) but it is really setting the stage for the end of the season)
The kid shooting Combo-wow. Even I felt bad, despite Combo's lack of characterization I still felt bad for him. Technically wise-great cinematography with the exploding drink and all.
Jesse and Jane-sad, tragic..........hits to close to home in some ways. Jesse and Jane-that's how you become Spooge and Spooge's woman. The meth is consuming and destroying Jesse, and it brings out a dark side of Jane that she managed to hold down, until he dragged her back into it. I wanted her to leave so badly when he didn't want to go to a meeting, but knew she wouldn't. It happens all to often.
Walt freaking out, running around at the end was tense, especially with the phone calls. There will be hell to pay for missing the baby's birth.
Surprised by Skyler's reaction to Ted, maybe a foreshadowing to how she will react to walt?
I think I would just be happier if Walt got a hit on Jesse and his druggie GF. The end to that part. There is nowhere to go but down with them now.
I have to be honest, I don't feel sorry for Jesse at all now. He shouldn't get a cut of the money when he basically failed everything and the business contact is right about never trusting a drug addict.
WICKED EPISODE.
Jessie.. what a totally useless loser. I've been known to party up sometimes, but someone phones me or is breaking down my door? I'm up and ready to defend myself at the very least. Can you imagine the frustration Walt must be feeling... he has to choose securing the future for his family over the birth of his child and being there for his wife because of that bum!
I've got a bad feeling about the 1.2m transaction tho. Think they are getting set up to be robbed??
Also, I have to admit I was jumping up and down screaming "break the door down"... and "[lol] yeah smack the shit out of him", during the last 3 minutes. I agree this episode definitely spiked my adrenaline levels. Next two should be like nitroglycerin. This show is downright brilliant and great hi-octane fun like The Shield was.
Maybe Walt ends up having Jane capped, if he doesn't do it himself.
Wow...that episode left me breathless! =O
Ohhhh, God. :,(
to bigfreakinnaz
I believing the 'business solution' is to off Jesse & Jane as well. Don't ask me how though.
Man...this show is messing me up. Probably won't be able to sleep. At every turn I'm just saying..."wow, this is brilliant". Who knows where it'll go next. Must admit...some of these turns are uncomfortable/sad/making me nervous.
I love this show!
Newbie here! It's my favorite show.
I knew as soon as Jane revealed that she was in recovery that she was doomed. People serious about recovery cannot take up with users.
I love how this show takes you places you never saw coming. "Gus" Gustavo is a great example. Looking at that guy, I'd guess ex-military maybe (he looked REALLY comfortable with a clip board.) But drug kingpin? No way. The actor playing him seemed really interesting. I think this is going to be another character with a lot of depth, or "layered...like nachos."
Hey LeDude, that's the life in the drug lane. It drags you down, stomps on you until you're almost dead, flips you over and kicks you some more.
It would be interesting if Walt let Jesse hang high and dry thinking he lost all the meth, but big bad Jane is sticking up for her boy, Walt's going to have to take care of that some how. Wonder if he's going to have to do it himself.
For sublime_wreckage, party on, but these two were shooting their blue mixed with who knows what. They're lucky to be alive and awake the next day.
Do you think the deal went down? Are we allowed to talk about the previews here?
Oh, and as an accountant, by not going to the cops and by showing back up to work the next day after discovering the misappropriations she discussed with good old Ted, Skyler is now complicit. So much for her moral outrage over Marie's kleptomania. Looks like little miss straight and narrow is gonna bend a few rules herself.
I was shaking! I think when Jesse and Jane are passed out Walt has to set the house on fire. I was SO sad to see Jesse shoot up. It is over for him.He is gone.
He is nothing but a liability for Walt. Walt can keep the million. Jesse didn't do much to earn his share, he completely failed Walt.
I hope Skylar doesn't fall for Ted.
Powerful, brilliant episode. Can someone tell me who played "Gus" Gustavo? Fantastic actor -- he packed so much into his brief time on screen. Amazing actors, amazing writing, amazing direction. TV just doesn't get any better.
Yes, I think the deal went down. That's why, in the previews Jesse was asking Walt for his half of the money and why Jane was trying to blackmail Walt.
I totally agree about the actor playing Gus amyleechen. He looked sad when he told Walt that you can never trust a junkie.
First off....Le Dude stop watching if you don't like it...problem solved.
I feel bad for Jesse he just needed someone to talk too about the death of his friend and all he had was drugs.
I don't feel the slightest bit of guilt or sadness towards Jane and i don't blame Jesse for her downfall....she was at the door and could have walked through but she really wanted the drugs. Sad thing is...she is walking into the path of the devil.
This episode had alot of Walt....I think/hope that Heisenberg will be unleashed next weekend. Usually threats to his family or well being will allow him to be truly unchained. The true transformation will be if Walt/Heisenberg has the stones to do what needs to be done and take out "skank v.2".
Truly Jesse has no claim to the money he broke his agreement on the labor. Walt cooked it, Walt set up the deal, Walt went to the deal...good game Jesse.
Hey Alexis...you look to be as shell shocked as I am....a mind blowing episode!
another great show the writers make us think one thing and hits us from way out in left field like the little boy shooting combo that and walt knew gus was the guy he was meeting and the end of the show walt misses his childs birth its making heisenburg come out more and more with walt but the whole thing with ted it makes me think skylur will break bad and jane broke bad as well also i think walt will have some serious compettition cause of jane at the preview was exploiting walt and she said we get enough money we can get alot of this (talking about the herion) and she has people who will break his legs (as once told to jesse when they first met) all in all it is a complex show and i enjoy it enough said
Gus is Giancarlo Esposito
Lets start with Jesse becoming a runner, that's just not right... Its bad enough being a Meth user let alone becoming a down right needle junky. I must say I was fooled when it came to whom Walt was meeting with, I would have thought it was going to be Hank or Jesse's girlfriends dad. There is always a twist in the show and I suppose that's why many watch it. There are times when the show goes toward being more like a soap Opera than a suspense, but then its like Vince goes into a Stephen King mode and tears up the key pad with gruelling facts and fiction. Again a great episode yet I found myself tearing up, but not because of remorse for the dead dealer or the beginning of the end for Jesse, but for knowing only two episodes remain of Breaking Bad for the season...
Listen people, when Jesse dropped Walt off at the airport, he told Walt not to worry that his family would get his share. Now no matter how bad Jesse screwed up, you can't repay loyalty like that by withholding his share. And yes Jesse was there in the desert when they made that stuff, so by rights he should get his cut. I think Jesse needs to man up though and stop having his be-itch call Heisenberg with theats. This is the second time now that Walt, who agreed to 50/50 with Jesse has tried to keep his share. If Walt is done with Jesse fine but he should pay him. When Jesse handled the distro, Walt always got his bag of money when the time came.
From the previews of ep 12...Jesse and Jane are very expendable liabilities. Now that Jesse's a meth and heroin addict he's even more useless and weak. Walt's really going have to make some hard decisions.
Do I give Jesse his portion (even if he did'nt earn it)and eventually he does something stupid with his money and jeopardizes my familiy's future or do I ....yell u know....
Must be some youngins on here if they don't know Giancarlo Esposito's work. Did you see how his demeanor changed up when he went into Kingpin mode?
Walt - one step forward.
Jesse and Jane - two steps back.
I agree with the previous post about Jesse and Jane being expendable liabilities. Walt is already apathetic about the blood on his hands. He now has a "role model" in the restaurant owner, and his advice is never trust an addict. Way to go, Jesse. You've lost all the street cred you never had, and now Walt is ready to move on without you. From the previews, it won't be that easy.
Damn! James26 is never gonna let us forget that he called out Jane from the beginning! I'm going to team up with you James26 and we are going to start that club, man! I Hate Jane Club is now signing up members.
Ugghhh...
one of the best shows on these dayz. sick, i love it want more now. i have a feeling jesse is on his way out....
I guess no one on here has seen "Fresh"....Esteban
Hey Doug, talk is cheap, and Jesse is all talk. He talks loyal, but screws up on the follow through, in real life, you don't get paid for that. I agree with rejorejo, Jesse and Jane are liabilities now that they are shooting up and Jane's threatening to shoot off her mouth. Can't wait till next week to see what Walt will have to do to stop that dam from bursting.
The previews are great. Finally that baby's gonna be here. But, it also means Skylar's going to be at home watching Walt's every move until he goes in for surgery. He better have things in order because he can't have anyone calling the house, ie. Jesse, when he's in the hospital or the game is over.
I think Jesse is going to be written out, and the cartel is going to think it's Heisenberg when they find him (if Walt's smart) which will give Walt a way out if he wants too because the DEA and the cartel will think Heisenberg is dead (as predicted in the song) and Walt can walk away, with his 1.2 million. tax-free baby !!
fresh?
Hey Walt, Jesse's handing you an out in the preview. He thinks He lost the stuff! Have him and Jane snuffed, make it known that he's Heisenberg, and you've got it made! Maybe Jesse and Jane are the bodies in the blown up house????
If the cartel and maybe the DEA think Heisenberg's dead, Walt can retire him and live pretty on his 1.2 million as long as he can keep Heisenberg dead. Hmmmmmmm. possible?
Hey Doug, talk is cheap, and Jesse is all talk. He talks loyal, but screws up on the follow through, in real life, you don't get paid for that. I agree with rejorejo, Jesse and Jane are liabilities now that they are shooting up and Jane's threatening to shoot off her mouth. Can't wait till next week to see what Walt will have to do to stop that dam from bursting.
The previews are great. Finally that baby's gonna be here. But, it also means Skylar's going to be at home watching Walt's every move until he goes in for surgery. He better have things in order because he can't have anyone calling the house, ie. Jesse, when he's in the hospital or the game is over.
I think Jesse is going to be written out, and the cartel is going to think it's Heisenberg when they find him (if Walt's smart) which will give Walt a way out if he wants too because the DEA and the cartel will think Heisenberg is dead (as predicted in the song) and Walt can walk away, with his 1.2 million. tax-free baby !! But would Walt be able to keep Heisenberg in retirement?
Oh yeah that Giancarlo Esposito (Gus) is one cool dude. This guy is quite an accomplished actor - been around since the '70s. He's going to make Walt sweat.
Loved the special effects when Jesse was higher than a kite. Hope this doesn't influence kids to go and try the stuff. He really looked strung out when Walt came by for the "product". Come on Jesse boy pull yourself out of it.
Not much in the music department this week. Too bad.
Gus looks like the kind of killer who would dispassionately eliminate any weak link in his organization. Like a cerebral Tuco. Walt and Jesse better be on their guard.
tj, i agree with sklyer being at home ( of course)and walt having his t's crossed and i's dotted but jesse, i think will o.d. and be labeled a junkie not heisnberg, and jane will squeel like a pig... i dunno thats what i see.... she will have to be snuffed out and jesse will take care of himself.. and or jesse getting clean and start working hard and making money.. one of the two
also this is not a 2 seasond show,,, walt will not retire and make a clean escape, and treat his cancer. this show to good to end in 2 seasons. possible?
I don't see Jesse getting clean. He's been down so long and keeps falling down so often and so far hasn't shown any desire to get clean. He's not at the bottom yet. He just floats shy of bottom and that's not enough to make him see that he needs to get clean. He doesn't have any other coping skills, whenever anything goes wrong, he heads for the dope. It's all he knows and has known.
Michael Slovis or whoever was Director of photography for this episode did a great job especially with the drug use scene. Very creative.
BTW I think Jane will OD sometime in the future...
Season 3 can go on with Walt and the chicken man. Walt's alter ego will not be content with 1.2 mill, not once he has to rebuild his house and all.
egrone, the show is signed on for a third season. I'm sensing the end is near for Jesse, though. I'm afraid his drug fueled romance with Jane is going to be more lethal than Walt's cancer.
Noticed picture 100/101 with Walt on the phone outside, should I say Heisenberg; I guarantee you the character portrayed in that photo isn't Mr. White the high school chemistry teacher.
opiedog, I agree, Jane will OD, but Walt might just have a hand in it, maybe he'll slip her some of that bean mixture.
Also... regarding pic 100/101; Walt has no glasses on. The pink bear opening sequences take place around the pool and Walt's glasses are collected into evidence... Where is this leading?
It seems to me that Jane was placed in this role for the sole purpose of being the first BAD bad guy. In the strictest sense, they're all "bad" guys, but she's the first bad guy in the sense that we hate her and root against her. And now that she's relapsed, we don't have to feel guilty about it!
Wow, Talk about an opening scene, Beware of the Kid circling on the Bicycle! This was another Great episode, this show never ceases to surprise. During the encore showing we had an Earth Quake (5.0) out here on the Left Coast, no shit. It hit about half way through. Did'nt need that to enhance my encore showing, no damage to report, so all is well. Next episode will definitely be leading into a lot of the scenario's that have been speculated on so far. Jane is a junky, Jesse is a junky, these two are trouble waiting to happen. I still think that there will be a time where Walt/ Heisenberg must cut Jesse loose.
ok - So You might say I'm a guy just like Walt WAS. I used to be like he IS.
AnyWay
I would just Waste both those Punk Kids, Walt should cruz on over at night and do the chem thing and just blow Jesse and Jane Sky high.
Jes is the Biggest Dumb Crud I ever seen and she is White Trash. Let me tell you.
Cops will just think they were Manufacturing some Meth anyway.
Then Walt needs to concetrate on the Fam. Oh and Dump that Cheatin Wife of his. Well She aint yet but she will, She needs to clear that Bun in her Oven First and Fill it with an Oscar Meyer.
She wants to do the prison thing with her boss anyway.
Also, since we haven't seen any pink stuffed animals outside of the opening sequences; I'm assuming it is something given as a gift to/for her baby. What I'm scratching at is that when we figure out the significance of those workers in hazmat suits scooping out the contents of the pool; we will realize that most if not all the answers are already here. Arrgh!
Jesse won't be getting clean anytime soon, at least not realistically. His addiction is nowhere near any kind of an unbearable bottom as I see it. He's got no reason to quit yet. He still has stuff and he still enjoys getting high. Or at least the pain of it isn't yet outweighing the pleasure by any means.
Anybody with a good amount of time in a 12-Step program would know that Jane was on a fast track toward a relapse with Jesse. It is an almost cliched scenario.
Wow.
Now THIS is great television.
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In the recent TV Guide (dated May 18-31) actor Arron Paul is quoted as saying...."the story is left with multiple cliff-hangers, and after people watch it, they are going to be very upset."
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With two episodes left I can't imagine how much more tension they can pile onto the story
Season 3 is going to no doubt be a wild ride for all the characters as the stakes for everyone involved will get (either voluntarily or forced) higher and more dangerous
tj, talk may be cheap, but Jesse would not have ever screwed Walt over, he would have come through on any money that he had gotten, had Walt died. Right is right, no matter what Jesse is smoking, snorting, or shooting. He should pay him his money and be done with him. Maybe Jane and Jesse will o'd on it. But right is still right when they made that meth it was 50/50.
Forget the 50/50 split. Jesse knows nothing about the recent Deal / transaction in fact Jesse almost lost the deal by being a hi boy. Twice Jesse screwed up in this episode alone. Walt should just let Jesse think it's all stolen and tell him he never wants to see his dumb ass again. If Jesse persist then just blow em away. Konw one will miss Jesse or Jane (Loosers)
Doug, Combo is dead, Badger is gone, and Skinny Pete packed up his toys and went home. Walter now has the sort of buyer he has always wanted, discreet and in quantity; to have it taken far away from Albuquerque. Yes, Walt owes Jesse *something*, but certainly not $600,000 worth. $1.2 mil - $737k = $463k. Something like that, perhaps.
Hey all, been lurking here for a long time and enjoying the show.
A suggestion for the moderators of the board: create a separate open thread for discussion of the previews. I prefer to not watch the previews at all so that next week I can experience the episode as it happens. Maybe people who like to watch them instead could then move their discussion to that thread.
WOW experience the episode - Gee I can't wait souns so neat and swell - Gee Mr. moderator WAAAAAAAAAA
Doug: The Jesse we have seen before would be decent in the sense that you are describing, but I am quite certain that we will see his character disintegrate rapidly due especially to his addiction, but also to the effect that recent events are having on him. He started down a ravaging path tonight, and there won't be much good left in him before long.
Hey all - This show makes Albuquerque look pretty bad - I live here and it's really good except for wages. I moved from California where I just could sit in traffic anymore. Anyway I think the Gov. Richardson is going to talk to the Media about representing New Mexico and this show. I ride Dirt Bike out in the Des where alot of the RV scenes are made and have never seen an RV way out in the middle of know where. If you did you would just call the Cops. And the Aiplanes would call it in too.
whoa i really liked the kinda of mutual trust jesse and walt have had up until now..but i think i big underlying theme here is seeing how the drug is controlling them..for walt its more about just being in control and wanting to "support" and take care for his family and jesse is obviously bein an addict..as bad as meth is just goes to show that once the shit goes in ur veins its a whole nother story...jane went from 0-60 in one minute..this was the kinda episode that was soo good where it just flew by..its soo enjoyable but then i hate having to wait WEEK to find out..they really left it on a cock tease moment...like in terms of all the different story lines going on now..not to mention hank wasnt even in this...makes me wonder if he might be one of the body bags..cuz i def see gus and jane playing HUGE parts next season and they are gonna have to downsize others to make that happen...
Another couple additional thoughts--
This episode really emphasises the endless gap between the haves and the have nots from both Jesse/Walt's POV and Walt/Chicken man's POV....
Everyone at the bottom wants more and everyone at the bottom thinks they deserve better
That was a great line from the sneek peek preview of next week's episode....Walt yelling at Jesse "we were ON CALL for the biggest deal of our lives......"
Walt is well aware of the structure of business and how in order to get along with the rest of the world, you have to fall in line with other peeps business and timelines (like the Chicken man).
And here in tonight's episode he almost blew it because he HAD to have the cell hidden and yet here comes that vital call he had been waiting for all season and he's in the middle of a class at the somewhat comfortable job he already has as a high school teacher, which as we know, isnt really enough to provide for a family of four.
And his vital link in the chain (Jesse) is high as a kite at the one time Walt NEEDS Jesse to be fully awake and ready to rock and roll
And now, over the next two episodes, we will see (possibly) how a million bucks (in today's dollars) just isn't as "be all-end all" that it once was
Walt now has to pay for childcare.....
He has to pay Saul a cut for providing the connection to Chicken man........
He is (about to be) blackmailed by Jane into giving Jesse HIS fair share
(which, is of course, HALF).......
He still has the operation for his cancer approaching.......
He needs to put a college fund for both of his kids away in a safe place, since after all that was originally the intent of his "breaking bad".........
Good thing he doesnt have to pay taxes on the money or he'd really be screwed.......
hey, ya think during the summer while we wait for season 3 we'll finally break over 1,000 postings?
Unless they provide a new thread for that purpose while we wait.
First of all i have to say that this episode was bad azz "Flint", but jesse needs to get his s+++t together, becuause he is causing some bad business skills for thier endeavors, and both him and walt have finally found the position they had dreamed of and finnally they can deal in bulk and be discreet without the law interfereance, i hope the drug deal goes good, because jesse dont even deserve his half of the 1.2 milion dollars he should be given his share unitl he is all better, because if he gets his half of the money he will inject it all up
The episode started with quite the bang. As soon as I saw him circling Combo I knew he was bad news. A nine year old committing premeditated murder in the USA (Albuquerque, I assume) should seem more shocking but it did remind me of The Wire/Omar.
I really thought Jane was going to clean Jesse up. 0 for 1. Now, I just want to take a megaphone and shout in his ear "STRAIGHTEN UP YOU PUSSY". He needs to be slapped in the face with his bong. I'm leading towards Jesse/Jane in the bodybags but that almost seems too contrived. Let's go with Jane/Walt Jr.
Gus is a cold mo-fo. All business.
Walt chose a meth deal over his daughter's birth. His soul has turned so much to the dark side. As far as I'm concerned Jesse isn't putting in anything that Walt can't do already so Hasta La Vista. No loyalty in this game, son. I'd make him a $200k severance offer. "You take the $ and shut up or you're going in a casket. Capeesh?
Anyone else have a sick feeling things aren't going to end too well for Jesse? Like he'll be in one of the two body bags? Though, if he does die, I think my previous love for him (next week's previews sort of made my love dwindle) will make me just too heart-broken to really look forward to the next season. I love all the other characters, but for me to really enjoy the show I have to have both Walt and Jesse.
What's up everyone? This is my first post here but I am a loyal fan of BB since the beginning.
This episode is one of the best ones in the series. The opening was amazing and the rest of the story followed suit.
Jesse is done and I think we can all agree on that. I say he either overdoses/suicide or just gets murdered (leaning towards overdose).
Jane is a bitch now if she's going to blackmail (same as a snitch).
Walt is still the man and it sucks that he's going to miss the birth of his daughter. I have a feeling this is going to have much larger implications.
Gus is awesome. The perfect guy Walt needed: a no bullshit business man that knows how to keep everything in check.
I'm thinking Jane and Sky in the body bags?
Looking forward to discussing this masterpiece of a show with all of you!
Love Love Love Breaking Bad and all yous guys insightful comments!! This episode was painful, I still feel nauseous.
Seeing Jesse go 'over' this episode injecting heroin and meth breaks my heart. I put my daughter (23) into rehab (not meth) in the middle of Season 2 - she also loves the show, but can't watch it there - (I do feel guilty about that:) This is not her first time - she has other issues and this will be a long battle with no guarantees. I really liked Jesse and hoped that he could pull himself out with Walt's friendship and trust and strength. I empathized with Jesse's family for having to do the tough love - its the only option for their own survival. Drug addicts cause so much pain to their families and loved ones - and seem incapable of seeing it. Hopefully we'll see more of Jesse
But I loved Jesse and thought he could be saved. In one of the previews *****spoiler***** Jesse's in a cabin with a car parked outside and Jesse is saying 'I dont want to die'.
*****end of spoiler*** Will Jane try to kill him after he gets the money to keep for hersellf? Will she tell Walt she'll kill Jesse if he doesn't hand over the money? Is it Walt (could he involve Gus's henchmen for this). Maybe he'll scare him so shitless he'll be begging to go to rehab and clean up. Jane needs to be offed. Nothing but trouble.
Sorry for the long post read all the blogs addicted to the show. No predictions cause I'm not doing well with those. But don't kill of Jesse, please - send him to rehab!!!
Those of us in LA have heard the rumor for years about how the chicken franchise, EL POLLO LOCO, had been started by a drug dealer. Funny how Gus was the owner of some 13 chicken franchises....you do the math.
If you've watched Season 2 of Dexter, Jane reminds me of Lela in the type of malevolant spirit she has become - the type of trouble that only gets solved by getting killed.
First off, I called the kid shooting him to my gf. We live in New Orleans, so a ten year old killing someone (saddly) doesn't suprise me. I said "watch this, this kid is going to shoot him". It's rare, but it does happen. This year alone we have several kids who have been caught murdering people. Not quite that young, but I know of a few 13 and 14 year olds awaiting trial. It's a damn shame.
Yeah, Walt's 1.2 isn't going to go far. He needs to launder it, and give Saul his cut so that's 40% right there...so about 750.000 left over? Even if he never works with Jesse again, and decides to cut him half (which he really should, for all the crap that poor guy has been thru- and I don't like the nay sayers, he still can be redeemed, he still feels whereas Walt as Hiesenburg does not). So he has 375,000 left. The operation is going to cost 200,000...and how the heck is he going to explain that money to Skyler? Leaving Walt way less than the 737,000 he estimated at the begining of the season. He will have to cook more. Skyler will leave him, either for Ted, or because she knows something is seriously wrong with the money, or she just can't take the insanity of it all anymore.
And we don't even know if Walt get's his money (or do we...I haven't seen the sneak peak for next weeks yet, just what they showed on tv).
Jane....Janes Addiction....? Freakin' Brilliant.
Does anyone know if Vince G. is a fan of the band?
For everyone poopooing on Jesse, remember Walt is just as addicted, even more so- he just doesn't actually smoke or inject the stuff.
Oh yeah, I wanted to comment on the 'pink bear scene' again. Here's my guess that I think became a bit more solid after last weeks episode.
Walter installed his own water heater. After Skyler leaves him and takes the kids, he starts cooking at home. He still want's to make MORE as Heisenburg would say. Who are the two bodys in the bag? Tough to say, Walt could rig it to do in Jesse and Jane, but, it was his pontiac in the driveway with the windows shattered.
And the problem with blackmail is it never stops. Jane can't go to the cops, but she could go to Skyler. Sky has already shown where she stands by not turning in Ted. So even if she found out her hubby was cooking, I think she'd freak out and leave, but not tell Hank or call in other cops.
It's been a great season, but once again, in case anyone who writes, produces, markets the show reads this stuff- please don't ever jump the shark. I think the rest of this tale could be told in a final and maybe longer 15-20 episode third season.
well i sure hate jane now not only is she messing up jesse even more shes gonna get walt even worse looks like on the next episode i hope shes in one of the body bags
DID NOT SEE THAT COMEING
Just kind of speechless and sick to my stomach by the turn of events - maybe later.....
Wow! The last 5 minutes had my heart jumping out of my chest. Poor Jesse. Now a member of the speedballer club. Heroin and Meth are bad. Mixed together and you might as well just reserve your seat in hell.
Jane "Yoko Ono" didn't turn out to be so good for Jesse after all. Based on next weeks preview, she has got to go. You can blackmail Walter White, but Heisenburg will fuck you up.
I was thinking maybe Skyler was going to go back to Ted and have him break her off a piece in order to keep her quiet.
Combo, everyone on the planet knew it was going to be that kid that shot you. Too bad you didn't see it coming.
Giancarlo Esposito added to the mix. That was a nice touch as he has a fine body of work to his credit. My favorite movie that I have seen him in is a movie called "Fresh" where he plays...surprise....a drug dealer...
This show is really starting to cast some high end talent to be some of the characters.
I cannot wait till next Sunday. I wish it was a two hour episode.
The kid shooting Combo-wow. I agree who ever said that. But did you notice that little kid could act as well. Never, ever do you see actors recoil when they shoot guns. That kid was great, and took me by total surprise too
So Skylar is the next one to break bad? Maybe she's starting to think like Walt. Money is tight and is gonna be an issue in the future.Maybe getting her old job back was intentional by her boss knowing she would be ok with it.
Walt has got to see what his product is doing to all these people, and himself ,directly and indirectly.
Mostly to Jesse. He hunted Jesse down and blackmailed him into this. He killed Jesse's connections,ruined Jesse's house, got him put in the hospital,kidnapped,investigated by the DEA, which got him kicked out of his house.
Jesse ending up with Jane is Walt's fault.
This show will be super twisted if Walt doesn't realize and care about that eventually.
Walt hasnt gone all bad has he? There is still some human left in him, isnt there?
Anybody think it might be Jane in the bodybag? Going over to Walt's house tryin' to get stupid with him?
I cant belive the story line has Jesse shooting heroin and crank. That's so wild,and so bad.
I told you guys the new skank and spooge.
what was the song at the end?
Also I wanted to say when Walt was on his knees in Jesse's kitchen he was so desperate. Not only for the money he will make for his family, but for the money he needs to save his own life. He had already agreed to getting the surgery, and I think he realizes that he needs it, and I think he really wants it, so making that score meant his life.
Aye ya ya!!!! Another fantastic episode. I was really shocked at the little kid blasting Combo in the beginning, freaking little devils, I thought it was chicken s..t that the 2 home boys didn't have the guts to do it themselves, but that's what happens in the drug turf b.s. I was really freaking disappointed when Jesse allowed the so-called girlfriend Jane to fix him, I knew it was heroin, doing the speedball thing, But it was kinda funny watching Jesse literally fly high off the bed and the music in the background was great for that part! Anyway, once a person starts using the needle, ther's no turning back, now they are both hooked, nothing but big trouble ahead, sorry to say. But at the end of the episode when Walt was banging down the house to get Jesse awake and get the meth and Skylar calling at the same time!!!! What an adrenaline rush for me!!! I kept rooting for Walt to hurry up throw the meth in the bags and GO, GO, GO, HURRY UP AND MAKE THE BIGGEST DEAL OF THEIR LIFE! Oh man, great episode, but Gus was right, you can never trust a drug addict, but Jesse practically does everything Walt says. Preview of next week's episode with little bitch Jane trying to blackmail Walt is really going to be a blast, I can hardly wait!!!! Breaking Bad one of the best shows and I hope Aaron Paul gets an Emmy nomination at least and Walt gets another best actor Emmy! But have to wait til September for that! Bravo, Vince Gilligan!
The most disturbing episode ever.
I hate to say that, but it's gonna be Jesse and Jane in these bags. How they get in there is yet to be figured out. Season 3 is gonna be without Jesse, it'll be Walt doing drug deals on a completely different level.
Walt is becoming less and less likable.
Poor Jesse, he really makes me feel so sad. Jane makes me very upset too -- the scene where she brings needles and smiles showing her meth mouth almost made me cry...
I'm a bit confused about the opening scene... was it really that kid that shot Combo? To me it looked like he was shooting blanks from some toy gun, and the two guys in Monte Carlo shot him -- it was just made to look like the kid made the hit...
I want to believe that Jesse can redeem himself, but I'm afraid this might be the end of him. Perhaps the body bags we saw in last weeks' foreshadowing were him and Jane??! I knew that Jane was trouble from the minute her character was introduced.. she's Jesse and Walt's "Yoko Ono" (with apologies). I really find her character reprehensible, I'd really hate to lose Jesse as I find him as likable as Walt, so let's hope this speedball thing is just him killing the pain of losing "Combo" and the removing stress he's been under..
tpkelly72:
LEAVE THE SPOILERS OUT OF THIS FORUM!!!
I MEAN WTF? IF I WANTED TO READ SPOILERS I WOULD SURF THE WEB YOU JACKASS!
EVEN IF I SKIP YOUR POST ODDS ARE SOMEONE WILL PROBABLY RESPOND TO YOUR STUPID SPOILER SO JUST STFU WITH IT!
I love this show a lot and no one I know watches it so this is the only place for me to discuss it and for you to put it in here is ignorant and disrespectful!
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I hate to see it go down like this. I was actually pulling for jesse to become the voice of reason against walt's incessant greed. I still have hope that he'll pull through. I agree that walt should honor the 50/50. jesse has always been straight with the cash, and loyalty should count for something. somebody is going down though, and soon.
Ok, I just finished watching this, haven't read any of the other posts yet..,
All I can say is:
Holy Free Union of Celtic Kngihts!
I have never been as entertained, Movies Books TV whatever, as I have been for the past hour.
So now off to read the the other posts so I don't mindlessly repeat thoughts already presented :-)
From the wiki for Mandala:
Mandala (Sanskrit maṇḍala "essence" + "having" or "containing", also translates as "circle-circumference" or "completion", both derived from the Tibetan term dkyil khor) is a concentric diagram having spiritual and ritual significance in both Buddhism and Hinduism.
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In common use, mandala has become a generic term for any plan, chart or geometric pattern that represents the cosmos metaphysically or symbolically, a microcosm of the Universe from the human perspective.
We can safely assume along the timeline of Breaking Bad we are around 7-8 months from the pilot episode where we learn Skyler is pregnant and Walt gets his diagnosis. In that time, Walt has attempted business with Krazy-8, Tuco, and now is setting up a deal with Gus through his sleazy lawyer Saul.
Jesse ran away from a drug bust in his underwear, disposed of a body with acid, spent countless days cooking meth in his basement and in the RV with Walt, had his parents' lawyer formally deliver an eviction notice from his aunt's house, went through the craziest ordeal of his life (probably) with Skank and Spooge; and now he's allowed his drug weakness to open the door to Jane and the horse she came in with.
What is setting up now brings the entire series' worth of plot to a boil. Things which have avoided being revealed (such as the source of funding for Walt's treatments) are threatened, Skyler the accountant will certainly demand to know how it's been paid for. Jane is prepared to blackmail Walter into paying Jesse more than he is owed for his service by spilling his secrets to his wife or the DEA.
Mandala: Things are about to come full circle for Walt as he will need to confront each one of the inevitabilities he has worked skillfully to avoid. I'm upset when I realize with two episodes to go for the season; there may only be enough time to set each storyline up for the confrontation that follows. Given the nature of tonight's abrupt ending; I'm certain the wait for season three will be agonizing.
I still don't know, man...with everyone thinking Jesse is going to be in one of the body bags at the end of the season...I'm getting nervous. I really don't think I'd have the heart to continue watching the show if they killed off Jesse. He and Walt started the business together and I've grown attached to them both equally. Let's just hope Jesse can come back from this (though I don't see how Walt could trust Jesse again after what it looks like he and his girlfriend are going to pull next episode).
James26 Trash the shit out of Jane, please - you won't hear any complaints from me.
Nothing suprises me on this show anymore. I can't exactly say I saw that coming but I have always thought Jane would be the wedge that would drive trhe partnership to it's brink. I am still wondering when or how the anti-drug message is going to appear because the addicts really seem to get off easy. Walt is just coming unglued and the baby's coming at the perfect time. On a different note I would like to compliment the set designers and photogs. The colours and the vistas are so good, the painting in the doctors office blew me out of my chair. Best show ever mm.
The whole theme of this show seems to be that every one breaks the law in thier own special little way. the only one I can't pin a crime on is Skyler.
Guys remember the body bags and bloody teddy bear that they show in the beginning? I've been going nuts trying to figure out who's in those damn things. But now, after this episode, and after seeing the preview to the next episode, and after seeing what gus said about never being able to trust an addict, I think I know who is going to be inside those 2 body bags. I think it is going to be Jane and Jesse. I paused the intro and it is a man and woman's body in them. Fucking creepy man.
By pg1978 on May 18, 2009 1:54 AM
"The most disturbing episode ever.
I hate to say that, but it's gonna be Jesse and Jane in these bags. How they get in there is yet to be figured out. Season 3 is gonna be without Jesse, it'll be Walt doing drug deals on a completely different level.
Walt is becoming less and less likable.
Poor Jesse, he really makes me feel so sad. Jane makes me very upset too -- the scene where she brings needles and smiles showing her meth mouth almost made me cry..."
So agree with everything you said dude. Damn I'm going to have to watch the ep again tomorrow and look for her meth mouth. I wasn't aware that she had messed up teeth. Yeah. Truly sad man.
cant really identify with the jane haters..look..i love jesse and walt like alot of you ,,but when i look at it this way..shes a junky..they say and do stupid shit..so shes in love with a drug dealer..stupid move for someone working the steps.. but it happens..after realizing she cant help him out of his funk, she joins in..giving up her sobriety for a fate she feels is worse..lonlieness..picking up right from where she left off..she takes her man deeper into hell..believing that "at least we'll be there together"..later..she finds her mans partners trying to rip him off..sorry.. but as far as thats concerned..cant say ide act any different
First of all, James26, credit where credit is due. You saw through Jane's hotness and pronounced her as evil from the get go. I stand corrected sir, but she's still hot. She will get what's coming to her though, one way or another she won't be around much longer. As was said previously, you don't mess with Heisenberg.
Second, the writers of this show are so far out there that even all of our whacky predictions every week don't touch on what they're cooking. They are, simply put, insanely good at what they do. Thank you for giving me another can't miss TV show. I hadn't had one in quite a while.
Now, Walt once again professed his allegiance to Jesse tonight in his interview with Gus. However, Gus planted the seed with "You can never trust a drug addict.", and that comment is going to be swirling around in Walt's head. Combine that with the thought of what does Walt really need him for anyway, makes me think Jesse is going to have to do something extraordinary to endear himself to Walt/Heisenberg in order to remain in the story line. Missing the call to duty and causing Walt to miss the birth of his daughter because he was high is pretty much unforgivable. I hope Jesse pulls off a miracle and stays in the game.
Saul is a crackup. A dirtbag lawyer perfectly personified. He gets the best lines, lol.
Would some one please tell me what the kid says to Combo just before shooting starts. Was it Spanish?
Another loooong week ahead.........
Damn jimanaz, you hit the nail on the head with everything!
Kid to Combo What's that in your ear?
Seems like every other episode is less or more intense. I hope they take it easy on me next week. What a heartstopper! Fantastic writing. The is the fist show I've been dedicated to in my life! I get the shhhhh "my show's on" thing now!
- MUAH to the cast, crew, and creatives
The worst thing about Saul is that he gets so little screen time. The dude needs his own show. He can still be Walt & Jesse's lawyer. But there are so many other scams out there. Can you imagine the never ending cast of characters he could represent? Everything from our drug dealers to imbezzelment (maybe good old Ted?) to domestic disputes.
Jesse & Jane = Spooge & Skank, just add "H."
Anyone else notice that Jesse's place was starting to resemble Mrs. Skank's home?
Ha, good connection, jamm. They really are turning into Mr and Mrs Spooge.
jimanaz to jamm54....tyvm.
The kid doing the shooting. I too saw it coming, but I talked myself out of it, that he was just going to be collateral damage. A sad extension of the drug world, that a kid on his bike gets hit in the crossfire. Blam. And the look on the kid's face was priceless. It so makes sense, in terms of street smarts. The gangs use baby wanna-be bangers for their hits. The kid makes it into the gang, and if caught, all he does is a few years in Juvie, vs. an older, even 16 or 17 year old, banger does life. Well done, taking us into the darkest part of the business.
For a bit of trivia, good choice of the Glock as the weapon. Not too heavy, very little recoil, so that a kid could control it, and lots of rounds so if the kid missed, he could just keep on firing. But a bit dumb for the guys to be in the car, right across the street, in the line of fire.
The car guys may have wanted or needed to witness the hit to confirm the kid earned his stripes.
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Jesse shouldn't have to endear himself to Mr. White.... this is all Walt's fault!! All of it!! from the word go. He told Jesse he would give him up if he didnt cook with him. Hell Jesse would probably be hanging with Badger getting the band back together if Mr. White hadn't of walked into his life again. I'm hating Jane and Mr. White right about now.
Our new Distributor, Chicken Man. Makes sense to me, a Restaurant Manager/Owner. Knew it from the time he walked to the table. When's the last time a manager went to your table in a fast food joint? Having been a manager for many years, I can tell you, that you come across many opportunities in "black market" goods from all of the folks you come into contact with on a daily basis in the normal course of business. Great way to have a side business, no one suspects a thing when you're always meeting with a lot of people. I've seen a lot of things other than food sold to the customers...
In my Bad Years, I stuck to the Noble Herb. Crack and Meth Heads are the sorriest s.o.b.'s on the planet. Doing "Preparation H" is a close second. Let's hope Jesse gets away from it before he gets totally hooked. I see the point made of his apartment looking more like Skank and Spooge's place. But I hope that they end up more like Kelly Lynch and Matt Dillon in Drugstore Cowboy. Functional addicts, and He eventually leaves her to clean up! Jane does seem to love Jesse as much as her drugs, but James26 is right: Screw her, and the Horse she rode in on ;-)
Jamm54
True that, on them confirming the hit. A lot of bangers are not rocket scientists, so getting in the line of fire may not have occured to them until too late.
Happy Birthday Mr. President! Pregnant MILFs like Skyler are not my thing, but dang, if he wasn't sportin' wood after that, no amount of Blue Pills could bring him to life. Skyler is Breaking Bad. Soon to be in bed with the boss: Complicit in the Accounting Fiction, and, as said in a much earlier post, hiding the Oscar Mayer.
@Blue Runner
actully jesse would have probably been dead towards the end of episode 1 season 1 considering crazy 8 thought he snitched on amileo so walt isnt really a main problem
mind my spelling on some names dont know if i spelled amileo right
Are you shitting me Blue Runner? This poor excuse of a fuck-up known as "Jessie" is complete garbage and is not only a burden to himself, but society as well. Now im disappointed with Walt and his route to handle his problems, but dont even dare blame Walt for "creating" a monster that was allready dormant and existed in that piece of shit. All he is, is a low time meth head who hung around with similar losers who all dropped out of school. Now I still like him because he COULD change and realize abusing meth really is bad and he never did anything as stupid and out of control as he did in this episode. He KNOWINGLY lets his "love" aka someone who he cares deeply about relapse back into hard drugs key word KNOWINGLY she is on a program to straighten her life out which she was doing perfectly. He really stepped over the line of redemption with that act and I seriously hope hes in one of those bodybags. I hope hes happy for letting someone who wised up and arranged priorities spiral back into darkness. Second being him being spineless just sits back and lets someone who he cares deeply about go out and round up more hard drugs and he has nothing to say and sits back and takes the heroin when he had no real interest in it to begin with.
Nothing made me rage so hard this week then this episode. First my boy combo gets whacked and badger and skinny p leave, for some reason I found them all comical and great. Now we got Jessie hitting lows I didn't think his worthless self was ever capable of accomplishing that should never be forgiven and especially "sympathized". I know he likes to place every problem in his life on others and he has no control over it, but unlike most people here who bought into his BS and actually feel sorry for him for HIS own choices, no one forced him to do anything, other people such as myself who aren't blind see the truth and are disgusted. But like others said, no one fucks with Heisenberg, Jane is messing with the wrong guy.
To BBisAWESOME
I too don't like to have spoilers, but IMHO the trailer for next week's show that is broadcast 60 seconds after the show is fair game. It is a part of this week's show, and not out of line for this thread. We do have a lot of fun runing speculations based on it. I do try to avoid any other info about the next episode, as it does kinda take the edge off of it, knowing in advance. But for this week's example: Last time we saw in the trailer that Combo got hit. But no one saw it coming that some kid would be the hitter! Us discussing it last week didn't ruin it for tonight. At least not for me. Again just my opinion.
"Walt can walk away, with his 1.2 million. tax-free baby !!"
He'll launder and pay taxes on it if he's smart.
BBisAWESOME
You're right
I shouldn't do that
Won't happen again
sorry
Here's what I think is going to happen....
Jane will OD, and Jesse will blame the "blue" that she/they combine the heroin with.
Jesse will then turn against Walt and start working with the DEA/Hank.
I know it sound implausable but the whole season has built up to focus on Jesse's humanity-I just think this is the logical conclusion.
Cheers!
"I hope Skylar doesn't fall for Ted."
I hope she doesn't either. It seemed to me that she was uncomfortable doing her "Happy Birthday, Mr. President" routine. I wonder if she's actually going to quit the company.
Poon: why the anger?
Jesse is a young guy caught up in a bad cycle. And I called Jane as bad the moment she was introduced, but now that everyone is hatin' on her I almost want to defend her as well.
People Like Saul and Gus (chicken man) are the monsters. Maybe even Marie and Hank.
Walt has become another person because this system of society has failed him. With 'universal healthcare' would Hiesenburg ever exist?
Grey Matter just pulls in the cash.
Skyler and Walt Jr/Flynn are going to break bad because of their circumstances. She's a wreck, husband dying and distant, and btw...she's already slept with Ted...she cheated on Walt four years ago. Walt Jr. wants to party...season one where he tries to get someone to buy beer for him and his friends. Can you blame him? At his age in a middle class families LOTS of kids party, beer, booze, weed, lsd....
Jesse has problems, but don't ever forget what he did at the Spooges....he did his best in a fucked up situation to save that child. If the writers think about this, he's a more likable character even after tonights episode than 'Mr. White'.
He could help save his younger brother from going down the same path. His folks and kid bro will show up again in season 3.
Jane, yeah, she has problems- but she got hooked again because she was in love. She's just attracted to that sorta guy. She's still bad news and so is her dad, as well see in episode 1-4 of the next season. If that really is her dad.
But they are young and dumb and if they can survive this period of their lives they still have hope. Come on, and at 22 didn't you or someone you knew sell drugs?
Ted is another sort of criminal alltogether. He probably doesn't do "illegal substances" but he's cooked the books for over a million now.
From my point of view he and Saul are the worst.
A couple of people pointed out that Jane had meth teeth, I always record every episode to watch it for a second time to pick up on things I may have missed. So I should look at that.
Oh wait, that's pressing legality (I don't cut out the comerical and then distribute it or anything, so it shouldn't be a criminal act, but it could be, with one law passed).
Everything is shades of grey.
One of my other favorite shows is Lost, and it looks like it could come down to good v. evil. The best aspect of BB is that it's closer to Reality.
Quit hating on Jesse and Jane because they fucked up and got needle high. Start hating on the forces of privlage and power that made all this possible.
Hank and Walt will become true brothers or one will kill the other.
And this posting is for the forum moderator
Someone earlier brought up a suggestion of why we should have multiple threads for posting and I agree.
I don't see why this forum can't have multiple threads.
For one thing, people wouldn't be yealling at each other for posting spoilers (like I did), and the person who yelled at me has an excellant point and by the way was totally correct-- I was wrong to do what I did within this all purpose general mass thread
But this wouldn't have happened if we had it set up here with multiple threads.....like MADMEN
I just went there and lo and behold--- THEY have multiple threads !!!
How come they have multiple threads and we don't ???????? Breaking Bad is way a way better show than Mad Men in addition to having (by my unofficial count) three to four TIMES the amount of comments by a wide variety of posters which = viewers to the show
How about getting the person who set that up for MAD MEN put in a little overtime by next weekend and get that set up here so WE can have seperate threads for
1 Each character
2 Each episode
3 Spoilers
4 Season 3 guesses
etc etc
But again, its just a suggestion.
Okay Moderator it's ME again
I was wrong-- you DO have a kind of multiple thread system running over there on the right side but for awhile when I would glance there it was usually just Interviews and Q&A with directors and writers and such so I would naturally just jump into the general purpose episode thread (whichever latest thread was open) and talk
How about something like you have over there with MAD MEN--
"Start your own conversation"
This way anyone can jump in and start a thread (which you, of course can moderate if we get far too many threeads going) , but more specifically, a SPOILER thread for each episode where "the future" can be openly discussed between those who enjoy that kind of discussion
Okay I said my piece
I'll be back next weekend
Still loving the show. You obviosly have thousands of people on the edge of their seats- keep it up!
Wow, what a great episode. Not much humor, though.
Yeah, Jesse took Combo's death hard. He's too sensitive to be at this level of the drug trade. Too bad he lost his street cred now that people know he didn't squish-brain Splooge.
Aaron Paul said something in one of the behind the scenes minisodes that the last two episodes of Season 2 were gonna blow us away.
It's locked and loaded, I'd say.
Sigh.
Well, I am wrong on so many levels.
This is NOT the only thread available to us and they already have multiple threads and everything set up and HAS BEEN for awhile.....I just didn't dig into the Forum section deep enough
I apologize to BBisAwesome once again as well
as the moderator.
And now I think I'll start a spoiler thread where I should have been in the first place
Blue Runner....you're right. All meth cooks retire from the biz, go straight, hang with their homies, and start up bands when they narrowly escape getting busted and get shut down. Walt and Jesse needed each other at the time the partnership was formed. Yeah, Walt had to tighten the screws on Jesse a little to get him to agree but I think Jesse has been pretty pleased with the results.
Jesse is a walking screw up. If he gets anything right it's pretty much blind luck, just like avoiding the bust with Emilio. It wouldn't surprise me if Jesse was supposed to be on the look out when that happened instead of banging the next door neighbor. He got himself snatched by Emilio and Krazy8 and brought them to the RV. He let Krazy8 escape. He got himself robbed and his ass kicked by Tuco. He got snatched up again and brought Tuco to Walt's house. He screwed up getting right with Spooge (lucky again). I could go on, but surely you get the point. The only time he gets anything right is when he's actually following instructions or when Walt is holding his hand.
Don't get me wrong, I love his character. But now that Walt is out there making connections and delivering product, Jesse's on thin ice. Sinking into a banging habit and his "crew" getting disbanded makes him nothing but a liability to Heisenberg. There's a relationship between Jesse and Mr. White and that relationship is going to be the only thing that can keep him in the story. That and maybe some more dumbass Jesse luck.
It is episodes like this that make me wish I'd DVR'd the whole season and then just watched them all on a Saturday when it concludes. This is going to be a really long week, waiting until Sunday for the next show. I don't think I have been so anxious for the next show like this all season. I mean, I am anxious, but I had a million thoughts of the show racing through my head until I finally went to sleep around 1:30 my time.
I am glad they didn't use Hank or Jane's Dad (I didn't think they would use Jane's dad) as the 20 year distributor. I like that they used that chicken franchise owner. It just makes you think about how some (not all of course) rich people go from rags to riches. I mean, how did he fund opening each of his new 14 restaurants? One would think that he used the profit from one to open the next, but he certainly may have fast tracked his business growth with this side distributorship. I like it. I mean, I don't like what he is doing, but I like where that part of the story is going. It just makes me think about how much of this kind of thing is going on in the real world. You know, sometimes when you meet a person that seems a certain way and you think, "oh wow, he is gay?" or "oh wow, I cannot believe the boss smokes pot?" or "I didn't know he had six kids," or "I didn't know she was 16, I thought she looked 30." And of course, "I didn't know he ran a huge distribution network of drugs, I thought he just owned 14 chicken joints." Amazing.... I'll bet this happens more often than we think. Things are not always as they appear. What a GREAT cover for a business too.
The Jesse floating scene after the high was great. Right up there with drug scenes from Trainspotting, A clockwork orange, Requiem for a Dream, and others. Oh, and of course The Big Lebowski. Admittedly, scenes like that glamorize the drugs. But the good news is most of us see more than just that trippy scene. Most of us will see the dark side of drugs. Hey kiddies, did you see how Jesse didn't even hear his business partner knocking down the door? He was glued to the bed, dead to the world. He almost fucked up the plan.
Skyler having the baby and not being able to get a hold of Walt while he is selling $1.2 million in Meth is no surprise. How will he explain that one away. Let me guess, Ted takes her to the hospital and is there for her the whole time. He is going to have to go the puking his guts out sick route. He really has no other choice.
I'm sure the deal will go down. First they had product they couldn't get rid of, now they have the money and he is going to be angry with Jesse still and say he is cutting him out and that takes us to where Jane threatens him. Stupid Jesse, telling Jane all about him being a teacher and all. You know that is the drugs talking.
My prediction- they are setting it up to look like Jesse is out. I mean, after next week's preview of that slut Jane blackmailing Walt on the phone while Jesse is just sitting there letting her talk to Walt. That will make Walt want Jesse's head! Is that Jesse and Jane in the body bags? I don't think so. I think that Jesse will come through for Walt in the end. I think they may have to kill Jane. I think Jesse may kill Jane. He should kill her. That blackmail is messed up. But maybe that is our cliffhanger. We won't find out until S3E1 what Jesse decided. I think he will make the right choice (for the show) and kill Jane and not fuck Walt over. Walt will come around with Jesse.
One key thing, when the 20 year distributor was talking to Walt he made it a point that you can never trust a junkie (Jesse) and said they are untrustworthy. That is what they want us to think of the relationship between Jesse and Walt. But notice Walt said, "Jesse does what I say" and "I trust him." He knows Jesse will come through for him.
Either that or Aaron Paul wanted off the show and they are writing him out, haha.... but I don't see that happening.
Goodbye Jane. I will be nothing but happy to stop hearing about you every week and how sexy you are in your underwear. This is the non-sex show. Get off my TV!
skottey- I agree Jane will not make it to much further & Jesse will be killing her.
The kid killing Combo reminded me of Omar from The Wire getting killed by a youngin'. Sorta predictable but still hard to watch.
I can't believe Jesse's on the needle now! It's already bad enough that he was smoking it but now he's shooting it up! Only bad things will follow. The preview on this site shows it loud & clear. Jesse was too high to remember having a conversation w/ Walt about where the meth was & thinks someone robbed him. I was surprised no one called the police with all the noise Walt was making! Walt can't overlook that anymore. I do think Walt will give Jesse a choice to clean up w/rehab or disappear willingly or Heisenberg will MAKE him disappear.
I don't know if Skylar's going to keep the job but she has her maternity leave to decide. She's playing one dangerous game with those books & Beneke's luck with IRS & auditors is soon to run out.
That kid smoking Combo pretty much blew me the fuck away! I was trying to get to sleep last night, and just kept thinking "Wow! I don't believe they put something like that in this show!" I'm wondering if shit like that ever happens for real?
Poor Skyler doesn't know what to do! She really wants to leave that job because she doesn't want to be involved in Ted's scheme with his books, and she has a lot more to worry about with baby on the way and doesn't need the added stress. But at the same time she may feel she owes Ted for giving her a job, and whatever else Ted gave her at another time (wink-wink). I thought it was rather cheesy that she did the Marilyn Monroe immitation for his "birthday wish". I'm sure the co-workers were thinking "Who IS this pregnant slut he just hired??"
I just have to shake my head at Jesse mainlining. What can you say? It looks like the beginning of the end for him. Walt should pay him 1/2 of what's left over, after paying Saul of course, as per their business arrangement they made together a long time ago, and then cut his ass loose. Then if Janey-girl continues to be a bitch, then it'll be time for her to try out the new, "special" meth that smells like head cheese! I wanna see Walt poison somebody with that shit, and she gets my vote as the prime candidate!
It looked like the guy in the passenger seat of the Monte Carlo was the same guy who set up the deal with Walt at the chicken house.
How crazy was the opening scene with the little kid pulling the trigger on Combo. Wow!! Breaking Bad is about people doing something wrong, something they didn't know they were capable of, they hesitate thinking about the gravity of the situation and what it might mean, but they go ahead and do it anyway. Unbelievable. Every character has had opportunities in the run of this show to pull back, to change course, but the lure of power, riches, drugs, etc. keeps pulling them down, even lower than before.
It seems that no one on BB is able to resist the lure of their own dark sides, the way the siren song of crime, or drugs, or an affair call to them, seductively. Doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that the "LOVE of money is the root of all EVIL". BB is bringing that point home big time.
Skottey: I agree with you about Jane. She is nothing but problems. And now that she has introduced heroin into Jesse's world, oh man...Jesse, Jesse, Jesse. You are sooooo screwed! I do agree that Jesse will somehow pull out of this heroin funk. I'm hoping!!
No way they can get rid of Jesse by having him OD. He's an integral character on the show. He's the Barney Fife to Sheriff Andy. His character offers most of the comic relief, or did. The last couple of episodes have been pretty bleak. They need to a bit more "black comedy" in the episodes.
They also need to resurrect Tuco. He, Walt and Jesse had great chemistry.
Don't know why, but I have a funny feeling the person that'll be meeting Walt at that "Truck stop on rt. 25" will not be Gus, but will be noneother than Jane's dad Donald!
I have a question....the last text that Walt got...before it went off....and he looked saddened by it....what did it say? I thought it said his time was up or something like that, someone said it was about the baby.....did she have the baby? Thanks.
Did anyone else notice Jesse using the scales of Justice as an ashtray? I think skinny Pete had some of the best dialogue so far in this episode, his one liners are great! One look at that guy and you can tell he has had a hard life.
Judging from where the teddy bear was was found, and the fact that the two body bags were seen in Walt's driveway (you could see his car was shot up), I would say that the people in them are going to be Skyler and Walt Jr. Gus will have something to do with that, as he doesn't want any distractions for his new cash cow. Heisenberg will then be unleashed as Walt has nothing to hold him back. (just a theory)
DOUG, you actually make solid points about Jesse always delivering the dough. I agree, Walt owes Jesse A SHARE but not the 50/50 considering how much he's fucking up. He should take something like 33% off the top of his share for being a total fuck-up!
And about the kid being the shooter and "the cautious kingpin"? Sorry, but I saw those coming a mile away. I tend to watch a lot of tv though so I get a good instinct about these things (I suppose I'd call it a knack for picking up subconsciously on foreshadowing, and camera work or scene arrangement/editing that a lot of times gives away exactly what is going on [the fact that the practice is industry standard makes it easy to point out these days]).
Jane definitely needs to be handled and put in her fucking place. How dare she even presume to tell Walt anything... and that little pansy ass Jesse for letting her "muscle in" on the situation??? Not only is it completely lame for a man to do, its an absolute betrayal of trust. Granted Walt shouldn't cut him out of his share, but again Jesse needs discipline for nearly fucking up the single biggest deals of their lives (33% of the top is the sensible middle ground... along with giving this hooker Jane a dirt nap).
Jesse breaks my heart in this episode. He's really a lost soul now. He doesn't want to go, either...he's scared to take the needle, but Jane talks him into it. Was it worth it?
Saul is, I think, Walt's "Jane". Walt needs him, but where is he leading Walt? Saul gives Walt the promise of big bucks and getting away clean. Is that so different from Jane's "promise" to Jesse?
The text said "baby coming!!!" he seemed saddened cause he knew he wasn't going to be able to see him/her be born.
Ona Lee If one of the guys in the Monte Carlo at Combo's hit was the guy who met Walt to give him the drop instructions, well.......creepy, but also means trouble down the line. I'll look for that when it re-runs.
I think Heisenberg may have met a much, much deadlier version of Tuco in the new distributor Gustavo minus the drug-induced histrionics.
Gustavo was a cool, cool customer not swayed an iota by emotion and giving off the impression that any compromise of his anonymity will result in a death sentence - that's my guess. If it was his guy in the Monte Carlo, that means he ultimately put out the hit on Combo. Can you imagine if Walt ever pulls a stunt like trying to contact the guy again in person if he can't deliver in the future? The guy won't stand for it, I'll tell you that.
The barrel of methylamine(?) is used up now. How is Walt going to get more in that quantity to do the kind of bulk cooking that his new national distributor will expect?
Sorry, but both Walt and Jesse have been screw-ups. Once Walt starts doing business with this guy, and screws up somewhere down the line by compromising the guy's identity, missing a deadline or for non-performance on a shipment? He's toast and so is Jesse (if he's still around).
DRKellogg, I know what you mean. Remember last episode, Jesse made a quip about "this is your Brain on drugs". Jesse is rotting out his Brain, no other excuse for all of his idiotic screw ups. Jesse was well on his way to drug induced hell, and now with Jane supporting his Bad habits. Jesse is on the razors edge now.
RIP Combo, and the now MIA Badger and Skinny Pete. Will miss you guys, especially Skinny Pete. Except for their drug dealing, all three seemed like sweet guys. Jesse has one person left to hang on to - Jane. He might as well be hanging his ass out to dry for where that's going to take him. Skinny Pete and Badger were the better choices.
Walt was really freaking out at the end. It was making me nervous. I don't really think Jesse deserved getting bich slapped and his house broke into, even if he was being unreliable. The man deserves a vacation.
I don't think i like Skylar anymore. I don't think they'll kill her because she is a core reason for the whole premise of the show, but maybe they should replace her with a better/less ugly actress.
RIP Combo. Jesse's crew were pretty funny while they lasted (what about 5 episodes lol). I wonder if we'll ever see Badger or Skinny Pete again.
Skinny Pete is a character that definitely needs to be around in this show. His one liners are Priceless.
One for New Mexico natives...
Did anyone else think the "Pollos Hermanos" restaurant looked exactly like Twisters, due to the sign outside and the fact that they served french fries with burritos? My sister and I are convinced it was a Twisters and that they just changed the sign...
Also, I don't know why people keep saying Walt's house is going to blow up...didn't we already see last week that the house is still intact?
I think it would be too obvious to kill off Jesse and Jane. Everyone also thought her dad would be the distributor, but the writers completely threw us for a loop, so why wouldn't they do the same with the people in the body bags? My guess is, all of us will be left completely stunned by the identities of those people.
Finally, Skyler singing to her boss made me all kinds of uncomfortable. You could tell she was all flustered afterward too. There had to be something physical between them in the past!
First of all, thank you to all the people who praised me for being right about Jane from the beginning! I'm not one to say I told you so, but...well, actually, I am! I told you so! :P
kafka-The preview that you saw with Jesse screaming "I don't wanna die" was actually from the second episode this season, where Tuco was gonna kill him.
It was awesome to see Giancarlo Esposito as Gus. I know him best as a detective in The Usual Suspects. I can't believe no one's mentioned that role of his yet.
It sucks that Combo was killed, especially by a little kid. I have to say I am worried about Jesse now. His whole crew is gone, and now he's turned to the needle. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks that the "Pink" stuffed animal in the pool could be a metaphor for "Pinkman". Maybe it is Jesse and Jane who die. Maybe not though...
The scene with Jesse "floating" was a lot like a scene from Nip/Tuck where the character of Matt got high on meth while he was laying on his bed and then started to float the exact same way.
Saul is hilarious and definitely has the best lines! He's being kept to a minimum though, which I guess is good. A little Saul goes a long way.
Anyone else notice the painting in the doctor's office on the wall behind Walt and Skyler? It was of a big open field, and it happened to be hanging in between Walt and Skyler, as if to signify the distance that is growing between them.
I loved Walt's conflict at the end when he got the message about the baby. His first reaction was joy, but it quickly turned to frustration because he knew he couldn't be there for it. Great acting from Cranston!
A couple of scenes reminded me of THE SHINING.....
When walt knocks the hole in the door and looks inside before opening door.......
and....
When the owner/distributor tells him he cant trust Jesse.....like when the bartender is telling Nicholson he cant trust his family..........
anyone else notice that?
Yes, I noticed the warning from Gustavo, particularly. I felt it was also a threat to Walt. You keep the addict in your business/life, you (Walt) pay the consequences. And I would guess the consequences will originate from Gustavo and go directly to Walt.
Walt has screwed up as much as Jesse. Can Walt, the fuck up, escape Gustavo's consequences? I don't think so.
I believe the writers are really going to torture us. We won't find out the identities of the body bags until next season.
Also, the Monte Carlo guys being around to confirm/witness the hit?
When they lingered in front of Combo the first time, I think they were identifying the target to the kid who had to be somewhere in the vicinity. Later, at the actual hit site, again, they were within eyesight of the target (Combo) to confirm to the kid - this is the guy - and finish it if the kid had problems completing the kill.
These weren't your average drive-by, hopped up shooters. Even with the kid figured in as the shooter, it was all very methodical and professional.
Obviously, this distributor (Gustavo) or his people are not even on the DEA's radar (unlike Tuco). This is a very discreet, undercover organization.
WOW! what a great episode! the begining and the ending just blew me away!! the new contact "gus" is gonna be the way to go for walt.....sell in bulk, sell it fast, make your money and split....but now problems are growing with jessie, hows walt gonna resolve this?....i cant wait to see! more! more! more!! ..........oh yea, and i will also jump on the "I hate jane" bandwagon!!!!
Watching Jesse feel the effects of being injected was an amazing scene. Not ever having done hard drugs, I felt as though I was actually experiencing what Jesse was experiencing.
I don't know if anyone else noticed. When Gus finally revealed who he was, he looked at Walt and said "We are nothing alike Mr. White." The key word is Mr. White. Gus already knows Walt is a teacher, knew what he looked like and Walt didn't even know his name. I think this is key, because this 1.2 million dollar transaction is a test from Gus to Walt. Gus knows Walt is a teacher yet calls in the middle of the day, knowing Walt is in class. He gives him an Hour deadline to gain 38 pds of meth. I think this is a test to see Walt's dedication, and after the successful transaction, it will be the beginning of a new partnership.
"...maybe they should replace her with a better/less ugly actress."
Sorry to disagree with you on this. Anna Gunn (Skyler White) is one of the finest things on two legs.
"Finally, Skyler singing to her boss made me all kinds of uncomfortable."
She looked uncomfortable as well. Does anybody thing she's setting him up for blackmail?
"There had to be something physical between them in the past!"
I'm beginning to wonder if we're ever going to find out.
"Skinny Pete is a character that definitely needs to be around in this show. His one liners are Priceless"
Agreed. His quip about "spellin' and shit" in an earlier episode was classic.
"Walt was really freaking out at the end. It was making me nervous."
I did sit-ups during the commercial breaks to release energy/anxiety. I had a hard time falling asleep last night after the show. It was one of the best of the season.
mirna said "Everyone also thought her (Jane's) dad would be the distributor, but the writers completely threw us for a loop"
Umm.... no, not everybody. There were several of us that said not a chance all week long, self included. Now we have somebody saying Jane's dad is going to meet Walt at the truck stop for the drop. What is it with Jane's Dad? Some of you are acting like he is going to open up the sky and come down as Jesus Christ and take over the show. Step aside Walt, Jane's dad is the new leading man!
Please! Don't speak for everyone."Everyone" did not think Jane's dad was the distributor.
To further add: Walt said the 38 pds was available on a moments notice, what better way for Gus to find out then to call Walt in the middle of the day.
Skinny96 said "I don't know if anyone else noticed. When Gus finally revealed who he was, he looked at Walt and said "We are nothing alike Mr. White." The key word is Mr. White"
I would hope EVERY FAN of the show noticed this. Walt was very frustrated that the distributor knew who he was and his identity and that he knew nothing of the distributor. That is not a good position to be in. Gus saying "Mr. White" was the point where the Writers let us and Walt know 100% for sure that Gus was the distributor. I would hope everyone picked up on this.
skinny 96 said "To further add: Walt said the 38 pds was available on a moments notice, what better way for Gus to find out then to call Walt in the middle of the day."
Good point... then Walt turns around and says an hour isn't enough time and the race was on. That is actually a major misstep by Walt when you think about it. First he says a moments notice and then he says he needs more than an hour to get the stuff and meet.
I loved the scene of Walt busting into Jesse's house. Then, to see Skyler trying to call. Wouldn't that be Walt's luck to have the baby come during the most critical 60 minutes of his life thus far? Well, aside from the scare of almost dying and kidnapping guys,etc. But talk about a critical time. I actually turned to my pregnant wife half jokingly and asked her what she would want me to do, drugs aside, "For $1.2 Million, would it be worth it to you for me to not be there?" She didn't answer, and I didn't expect her to. Just something to think about.
The birth of a child is a magical feeling that you never forget. It is so surreal and beautiful. On the other hand $1.2Million is a lot of money. I think I'd have to go for the money too. If nothing else, Walt could end up dead just for jerking Gus around and not delivering the goods.
Beautiful episode.
Walt, you need to fucking AXE out Jane and Jesse. They are now the weak links. Jesse is an idiot for letting a woman pussy-whip him, and it is going to cost him his life. Jane, you dare talk to HEISENBERG like that? Oh, you are going to get it.
Gus is a big time player-- "We are nothing alike Mr. White". Gus set the record straight, and Walt will work with him.
What a great episode. LOL look at the preview, "Jesse thinks it's stolen". LOL walt just hangs up the phone on him.
You can't trust a drug addict-- Words of the wise.
Best show ever, I love it. Watching it now on my computer, gotta love torrents.
I took Gustavo saying "We are nothing alike Mr. White." (besides signalling his own and Walt's identity) as establishing the power pecking order (I am the distributor, you are the cook and a nobody), and essentially stating "I am much smarter than you, in control of my organization, and superior to you."
I'm sorry, but when Walt was making his sales pitch he reminded me of an insecure nobody trying hard to be impressive and more self-important and powerful than he really is. Blowfish anyone?
Has it been discussed or do we all kind of figure the Monte Carlo guys are Gusavo's people?
jamm54 said "Has it been discussed or do we all kind of figure the Monte Carlo guys are Gusavo's people?"
I'll bet Saul is Gus' people too. If those guys are working for Gus, he is probably huge in all the places he has his fast food facilities. He probably takes over a territory and marks it with his restaurant. Maybe that is how it really works. Big businessmen are behind all drug rings, and territories are marked with legit chains so one man doesn't cross the line.
I would say Saul let Gus know there is a new player in town and that they are weak guys. Saul knew that Walt and Jesse wouldn't have the stomach for a death of one of their guys. So basically, Saul pretty much brokered a deal between his boss Gus and Walt. Saul thinks Jesse needs to be out of the way. Tuco thought Jesse should be out of the way. All they really need is the chemist.
All along, big players have been pushing Walt to get rid of Jesse. But Walt holds onto him. I wouldn't be surprised if it is Gus' gestapo that kills Jane. If Jane is going to try to blackmail Walt, let's remember that Walt just sold 38 pounds of the finest product to a distributor that is going to want more. They aren't going to let Jane get in the way of that. I think Gus will have Walt's back.
Maybe they'll send Jane and Jesse a message by beheading Jane's stupid dad that so many people won't S.T.F.U about! haha
jamm54 said: "The barrel of methylamine(?) is used up now. How is Walt going to get more in that quantity to do the kind of bulk cooking that his new national distributor will expect?"
I believe Walt estimated that there was 7 or 8 gallons left just before Jesse convinced him to take the Denny's break and the misadventures with the RV battery started (thanks again Jesse btw), in 4 Days Out. Heisenberg's skills are with the chemistry and little else. I believe that if more supplies are needed Gus (or his peeps) would supply them somehow to make sure the wheels keep turning.
When Jesse was ascending in his high, the expression on his face seemed suggestive of someone who was seeing God, Nirvana, Heaven, etc. The look was pure awe, peace, joy, and fulfillment.
No wonder people take drugs. It'd be a relief to have that feeling, but from what I understand it diminishes pretty fast, and maybe you only get that kind of feeling the first time trying a hardcore narcotic like heroin (I don't know - don't know much about the effects of narcotics).
Hey BB gang! This is awful, but I was soooo tired last night that I fell asleep before BB startted! I woke up half way through and made myself turn the TV off. I watched the first 5 minutes this mornig and saw poor Combo get shot by that little kid. Awful! It's taking all my willpower not to read your guys' comments or watch the video recap. I'm going to watch the whole episode the minute I walk in the door after work tonight. The suspense is killing me! argh!
skottey You think Saul is tied to Gustavo? Makes perfect sense, but it also indicates Saul's deviousness. You're saying he knew who Gustavo was all along (and it wasn't all this baloney of "I know a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy" garbage}? Scary.
I thought this was an excellent episode, largely because of the way they laid the groundwork for the rest of the season by showing Walt being squeezed from several directions. It looks like Jesse's role is changing from that of distributor to that of customer. I'm wondering if eventually he will get busted and try to save his hide by ratting out Walt.
Regarding Jesse now riding the H Train.....There is a great line in the movie Trainspotting where Ewen McGregor's character Rent desribes trying heroin for the first time.
"Take the Most Incredible Orgasm you've ever had in your life...mulitply that by a thousand and you still arent' even close to what it feels like."
That is a pretty scary thought. Jesse now has felt this and there is no way to go back. He will keep trying to acheive that high but will never again dupiclate its effects which will make him do more to get to the mountain top and float up to the ceiling again. I feel bad for Jesse. I really wanted him to become a bigger part in Walts plan but he screwed it up and now will have to be put down like Old Yeller.
Wait until it sinks in that Walt is only a link in the chain, and not going to be the drug mogul that he's kind of fantasizing or playing around with in his mind. He's an employee. Yes, he's got a good product, but he's still an employee, not the boss. The only person Walt will ever be bossing is Jesse, and even that's a struggle and often unsuccessful for Walt.
As far as Jesse's importance to the business or to Walt, well, Walt's already shown he's too insecure to be without Jesse (at least for the moment). I guess Jesse is like a Linus' security blanket or a pacifier - Walt just has to have him no matter how annoying Jesse is or how flawed Walt's rationale. It isn't reasonable businesswise, but emotionally it's what Walt wants and needs for now.
I'm not gonna be too hard on Jane. It's screamingly obvious that she's being molested by her creepy father -- she has all the signs--- Substance abuse, bitterness, cynicism, codependency for Jesse...
On a different note, did anyone notice Skyler's resistance to Walt's surgery? Not having it was going to be a death sentence, basically.
"Where did the love go?"....
Okay skottey, maybe that was a slight exaggeration by saying "everyone," my point was merely that when reading through comments last week, it seemed that a good number of people suspected her dad as being the distributor. I just was pointing out that everyone makes guesses as to what will happen on the show, and yet the writers are always coming up with something to completely blow your mind and prove you wrong. Sorry to offend...
To all Jane-haters: "sober Jane" and "Jane on h." are two different persons. Period. Look at all the good influence Jane had on Jesse when she was sober -- once she goes back to drugs, she goes down, and she takes Jesse with her...
This show is more effective than all the stupid anti-drug ads. It really shows you how drugs completely mess your life up...
Problem with Walt is that he's not as smart as he thinks he is. He's constantly blaming others for his failures, and I'm not talking only about Jesse here, but it goes back to his relationship with Gretchen and Grey Matter. Just look at all the things he screwed up -- really, Combo's death is Walt's fault and his poor judgment about the whole blowfish thing.
The thing with Jesse is that he's still just a kid, not quite capable of being responsible for his actions. He's a good kid, but he's just painfully immature.
Getting involved with Gus was a bad, bad idea in the first place. Now, think about it: Walt is the only person who knows Gus' identity, he's in a desperate need to help, and can offer very little in exchange (after all, he's just a cook), he's got an undependable junkie-partner, who's now doing needles with his junkie-girlfriend. This is just a disaster waiting to happen. What a cold-blooded bastard like Gus will do, huh...? Does it take a rocket surgeon to figure it out...?
DepraveDave-Another similarity to The Shining is the kid riding his bike at the beginning, and the camera angles they used for it, similar to the kid riding the toy tricycle in The Shining!
It pissed me off so much seeing the previews for next week with Jane telling Walt "Do right by Jesse or I will burn you to the ground." Who does that little junkie bitch think she's fucking with??? She better be dead soon!
I had a feeling that Jane was going to be a very bad girl from the start. I hope they don't kill off Jesse. He hasn't killed anyone yet and still has a heart that Walt seems to have lost. His character reminds me of the Sean Penn ex gang dad character in the movie Mystic River. Love's his family, but the rest of the world he could care less about and had better not get in his way. Also as for the killing off Jesse thing I listened 2 weeks ago to one of the podcasts on this site and Vince Gilligan said he was more into torturing Jesse than killing him. But that was awhile back. Things can change. I also think that Ted may have something to do with the body bags. He seem's to be going off the deep end and may harbor a lot of jealous resentment toward Skylar. Plus she's found out about his embezzelment.
No, pg1978, the blueprint is there for what Gustavo will do to Walt or Jesse. If we thought raging Tuco was frightening, doing business with a quiet Cobra who doesn't give a warning rattle of when the strike is going to happen is a helluva lot worse. Welcome to Season 3.
James26 go for it!
This show is easily the best drama/comedy/serial/whatever on TV. The twists & turns burn!
Cheers.
I really can't imagine Jesse out of the series. Walt and Jesse give a nice contrast of this whole experience from two differing viewpoints. It'd be boring if it was only Walt and most of Walt's interactions would be minimal in the criminal world.
Walt cooks alone ( intense look of concentration, sighs)
Walt waits at truck stop ( furrowed brow, glassy eyes, heavy sighs)
Contact shows. Walt steps out of car, moves toward truck.
WALT: Do you know how to get to the casino from here? (the password - trucker gives okay sign) Here's 3 lbs. When do you need another batch? (hands over shopping bag with meth)
Not alot of emotional scenes to reflect Walt's feelings, state of mind, change in personality in his criminal life. It would be a one-note wonder, and boring as all getout if he didn't have another character to react off ot, especially one who knew him before, and at the start of this adventure.
Gustavo is a lot more sophisticated and diabolical in his methods than a Tuco. Tuco was a thug; this guy is a master criminal.
The set up hit for Combo? Brilliant. Two distractions: obvious distraction #1 (Monte Carlo guys) holds dealer's fear and attention, while distraction #2 (kid) is annoying you. Wham! Distraction #2 blasts you?
This is Gustavo's modus operandi, the 1-2 punch. Distraction over here, while second distraction takes you out. Look for a pattern like this in the future in all dealings whether deadly or not. Very smart, very crafty.
Come on people, do you really think the writers would leave us here with the likes of only Walt? Yes he's got some complexities, (eventually being cancer free maybe?) and he's rounded out his character nicely in the last 5 episodes or so. But we have already knocked off the thinly written characters (minor dealers) and pretty much stepped up the anti (supply chain) vis a vis Walts mounting financial needs and the excellently portrayed skank of a lawyer helping out to up his share. This series is brilliant, I look for an award winner here, and this next episode has been sooo fantastically foreshadowed.......it's like doing ice without getting hooked. Just pity the poor S.O.B. who invites me to a party the night of this show!
I know Walt does the majority of the work in this operation, but does Walt know where the RV is parked? I mean he needs it to cook & it seems that Jesse is the only one who knows where it is. I don't remember Jesse ever telling him where it was.
As far as interpreting Mandala as essence or containing, what we saw in this episode may represent what each character is capable of. Heisenberg is now capable of turning on his family, Jesse is incapable of handling loss, and Jane is showing her true nature. The problem with this series of events is that it drives Skylar into the arms of her boss, as well as the blackmail problem... which has only one resolution (kill the blackmailer). Even if he gives them their half, once its spent they can always ask for more ad infinitum. Heisenberg must now kill them both. There is no other solution.
I love Breaking Bad.
This TV program is like the bomb, yo
conversequeen I think the RV is parked at Clovis' lot (remember Badger's cousin) when not in use. I think he was charging Jesse something like $500/week to park it there.
jamm54 said "skottey You think Saul is tied to Gustavo? Makes perfect sense, but it also indicates Saul's deviousness. You're saying he knew who Gustavo was all along (and it wasn't all this baloney of "I know a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy" garbage}? Scary."
That is one possibility. I don't really think the friend of a friend of a friend thing really answers anything. He deals directly with Gus I'm sure. I believe it was I that said they should have shot Saul way back when they kidnapped him and had him out in the middle of nowhere. I knew the minute they let him go and then he walked in the school at the end of the show that he was going to be BIG trouble for Walt and Jesse. He is stabbing them in the back. This all happened because of their rapid need/desire to grow. How many drug dealers go from a nobody to big time in a matter of a few months? I don't think many. Most people work their way up an established chain. Brains and a lot of luck. They have cut so many corners because of Walt's timetable of Walt having one foot in the grave that they sloppily had no choice but to take a chance with Saul.
Taking it even further, I think Saul knew Walt would go back and try to find Gus. He knows Walt is determined.
Jamm-Thanks for the go-ahead on the Jane hatred, brother! Although it seems everyone else has now jumped on the bandwagon, so I'm no longer the sole voice of hating that little skank (and she IS a skank)! The best thing that could happen to her is a bullet between the eyes. Where it comes from, I don't care. Just as long as it takes her out permanently!
My prediction is that Jane will OD. As a former addict who probably went through withdrawal, her body is very susceptible to being pushed too far and couple that with using meth, she's in big trouble.
Jesse is the only complication left. Walt is the money maker for Gus, Jesse is just a man who knows too much and in any criminal enterprise, that's not a position you survive. My guess is that Jane, fearing her father, will either OD on accident or on purpose, and Jesse, beaten by the decision, will either clean up his act or join her.
I think the latter is more likely simply due to the fact that he's seriously crossed Walt.
1) She called Walt on his home phone with, apparently, her home phone, on the preview. It didn't look like a disposable cell. Walt will have the number back traced to either her or Jesse's place and then there will be hell to pay.
2) Gus wants the product, everyone does and Walt provides it. Walt is clean, in that he doesn't use and that's incredibly important. Remember Scarface, "Don't get high on your own supply." That means Gus will look out for Walt so long as the profit exceeds the risk.
3) I completely agree that Gus is far, far more dangerous than Tuco. He's cold and methodical, unlike Tuco he doesn't get high and he's completely professional. If he even thinks he's about to be exposed I have no doubt that both Walt and Jesse are dead. Walt realizes this and he knows that Jesse is putting his life and the future of his family at risk. Walt has a very dark side, he's not the nice guy and he will kill, we've seen that all ready.
4) My overall prediction for the series? Jesse is killed off while Gus becomes a more primary character. Skyler learns of Walt's business and is torn on how to react, but realizes why he did it. Maybe she even joins in the same sort of dark addiction to the adrenaline of the lifestyle. Hank begins to hear that he hasn't taken Heisenberg after all and now that Jesse's crew is gone and Walt has moved into the big leagues, it's getting harder to track. Gus, feeling pressure by Hank and knowing Walt's connection to him, leads to some greater tensions as the season progresses. It will end when Walt, who is likely learning the 'boss' trade, decides to split from Gus and a war starts.
Anyway, I imagine that my predicition will be completely wrong by next episode, but its fun speculation.
The puzzle of Breaking Bad and how it will play out is very addictive!
Love this show, it's about the only show I look forward to every week. I was mad when it was off so long the last season & I'm mad it's almost over until who knows when.
Add me to the Jane hate club. I bonded with Jesse long ago, like a Mama, I feel so sorry for him.
My husband says that Walt & Skylar I think? mentioned a daughter in the past. I don't remember that, but he thinks that Jane will turn out to be their daughter.
I was never a big Skylar fan, don't know why & now that it looked like she might hanky pank with the boss, or isn't so perfect with the cover up, I like her less.
I love the humor they throw in now and then.
Tuco frightened me terribly, also his Dad. I thought all helpless old men were to be pitied?!
If there is a gog the show will go on forever or at least end how I want it to lol...with no season breaks. C'mon guys, jobs are hard to come by-keep working!
James26 I thought Jane would bring some healing to Jesse, not destruction. I can't say I hate her, but what she's done is sickening.
Jesse was lost enough as it was, and the previews of the next episode show he's been more affected and damaged by all that's happened than he's ever shown or expressed. I feel sorry for her, but together, they're on the Train to Hell. Only way one of them is going to survive is if one of them gets off that train - fast.
shanana said "I'm not gonna be too hard on Jane. It's screamingly obvious that she's being molested by her creepy father -- she has all the signs--- Substance abuse, bitterness, cynicism, codependency for Jesse...
On a different note, did anyone notice Skyler's resistance to Walt's surgery? Not having it was going to be a death sentence, basically. "
Well for starters, you are jumping to conclusions that Jane was molested. That has never been said outright. That is speculation by a few on here. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are a clinical psychiatrist. The fact remains that you know very little about Jane's history and have not evaluated her in your clinical setting.
On another note, Skyler's resistance to Walt's surgery was the fact that he said "I'm in, I'll do it," about a surgery that costs between $170K-$200K for a surgery that to her knowledge, they haven't got the money to pay for. What, is he going to pull it out of his ass? She probably wanted some time to talk to him to try to figure out where they would find the money. If it meant selling the house or whatever, she wanted to weigh the options. Maybe she wanted a second opinion. Maybe she wanted to go the route of a provider that was covered by their insurance, or at least look into it. I don't think the love is gone. I know, I know, we live in a country where people just expect things. People think they have a "right" to health care. Whether you are for or against a national health care doesn't matter, the fact remains, we don't have a national health care system that would pay for Walt's surgery and they opted to go to a cancer center that doesn't take his insurance. Walt knows where he'll get the money, but Skyler doesn't. I don't think this shows a lack of love at all. She was being practical, given the limited knowledge about their finances that she has.
heldenbrand - Enjoyed your take on things and agree with alot of your predicitions. I cannot see Jane not ODing or getting killed at this point (she better, I cant stand her), and agree with your thoughts on the Gus Frings character.
James26 - I totally thought of you when the skank Jane showed her true colors. :)
Mary - Walt and Skyler are having a daughter they are naming Holly. No way is Jane their kid. And I have never been a Sklyer fan either, just something about her...
mirna said "and yet the writers are always coming up with something to completely blow your mind and prove you wrong"
Yep, and this is why the show is so great.
hehe.... my last post was 200.... 201.... insane for a monday.
jamm-Jane is ruining Jesse. I don't know if he'll be saved or not, but I hope that he is. The show wouldn't be the same without him at all.
mnsteph-That's awesome that it reminded you of me when Jane showed what a skank whore she really is! I called it right from the beginning, lol. I started the wave of Jane hatred that's just now catching on! ;)
What an episode last night. As someone who just got done living with a heroin addicted roommate for a year, it really did hit home with me when Jesse shot up. I know from experience that when one goes on the needle, one does not come off without unbelievable amounts of self control, motivation and support, and Jesse has none of these things.
I'm going to try to touch on various subjects that are being discussed in this topic.
First is Jane and her Dad. I think that the whole idea of her father being a dealer or in any way involved in the drug trade at all is an incredible stretch of imagination. Things are not that connected in real life, and I think Vince respects those kinds of boundaries for his show (otherwise Ken Wins would've probably crossed Walt's path again.) The likelihood is that her father is a man with a considerable amount of money who has raised a daughter that succumbed to heroin addiction. He's taken painstaking efforts to get her clean (giving her this apartment to live in, then upping her responsibilities to renting it out, allowing her more freedom and an income) and is probably a lawyer or a banker or something. Making him a dealer is a far, far stretch.
The obviously "dead" pink bear in the pool could very well be symbolic of Jesse "Pink"man, who might be in one of the body bags with Jane. However, it seems likely that the creators WANT us to draw this fairly obvious conclusion in order to twist the screw on us at the end (which is why I love this show so much to begin with).
I am beginning to realize why they've used this ominous pool scene to open so many of the season 2 episodes. It's all leading up to what happened and who's in the body bags, and the best part is that everyone has reasons to get "hit." You've got Walt with his new courtship with an extremely high level meth dealer, who does not trust him. You've got Jesse and Jane, heroin/meth addicts with the information needed to blackmail Walt, who is not taking any shit these days at all. There's Hank, who has possibly made enemies with the drug cartel in Mexico, and there's even the possibility that Tuco's cousins got tipped off by Tio and are out for revenge. As things stand now, it could be anyone in those two bags.
On to Skylar and Ted. The situation that has arisen between them is an interesting and obvious parallel to what could possibly happen between Skylar and Walt when he decides to come clean. What we're seeing is Skylar's very slow descent into breaking bad. She tried the smoking thing and it didn't fly for her. Now she's working for this man who she has a history with in an obvious attempt at making Walt jealous (which doesn't seem to be working at all since he's so entangled with his own problems). Still, she's wearing the low cut tops and popping those beautiful blue eyes at Ted all day long. This is her form of revenge. In all likelihood, she still believes that Walt cheated on her, and possibly still is cheating on her. Because she doesn't know, she's dancing the line with Ted, but still dancing it. After the legal situation with Ted is revealed, the fact that she returns is the continuation of her descent into being BAd. Without working there, she is once again powerless to Walt's secrecy, with no secrets of her own. Her means to create jealousy will seemingly come at a cost and risk, as I'm sure her knowledge of this information at Benekey makes her a partner in legal fraud.
As for Jesse dying, it does look like that's where things are heading. But of course, the fine people at BB love to throw in a twist, so who knows what's in store for him. Hopefully rehab, as I can't help but love the guy after getting to know him so well, and I actually do want him to clean up. Damn this show, playing with my emotions and what not.
The only character that we haven't seen break bad is Flynn. Maybe he won't live long enough to do it.
Can't wait til next week.
Wow, what a ride this last episode turned out to be. Ok did Gus’ man at the restaurant tell Walt to meet the driver at exit 13 on I-25. Wouldn’t that be like just outside of Las Cruces. No way anyone could make it from Albuquerque to Las Cruces in an hour. Maybe I just misunderstood what the guy said. Did he say 13 miles south on I-25?
I know absolutely nothing about the drug game, but is it an absolute given that Gus has some huge powerful organization that extends all the way down to street level? Could he just be a distributor with only a small number of buyers/distributors to whom he wholesales? Given that he has been in the game for 20 years and never been caught would lead me to believe that he deals with only a very select and small group of people.
I can definitely see the Tucos and Krazy 8s changing every couple of years due to arrest, death, or overthrow. My guess is that if Gus were the huge kingpin of a vast criminal enterprise, it would not take long for underlings to get busted and subsequently turn in the next level up in the chain of command to eventually get to the mastermind. Now I am not saying that by any means he is not dangerous. He probably has "hitman" on his speed dial, I just find it difficult to believe that one person could for 20 years maintain a vast criminal enterprise spanning several states and never be investigated by any government agency.
Shanana said: "On a different note, did anyone notice Skyler's resistance to Walt's surgery? Not having it was going to be a death sentence, basically."
I don't think it was resistance to the surgery, but apprehension about the cost. Where are they going to get $170K?
Hey, skottey in your discussion about Skyler's reaction and hesitation about Walt's $200K surgery, you just outlined Skyler's motivation for going along with the Bennecke cooked books scheme - pick up $$ to pay for the surgery.
pg1978 said: "He's constantly blaming others for his failures, and I'm not talking only about Jesse here, but it goes back to his relationship with Gretchen and Grey Matter."
Did you notice the look Jesse gave Walt when Walt made the "one step forward and two steps back" comment to Saul? Jesse apparently thought Walt was taking a shot at him.
People really thought that Jane's dad was a dealer? No way...he never came across that way to me. Jane is just a whacked out druggie and he is her dad who will get pissed when he finds her using again and take it out on Jesse in one way or another. If you check the cast listings, there was no doubt the new guy would be Gus (Giancarlo Esposito). I was more surprised with how he presented himself than who he turned out to be.
jamm54 said: "you just outlined Skyler's motivation for going along with the Bennecke cooked books scheme - pick up $$ to pay for the surgery."
Are you insinuating she's going to try to blackmail Ted?
But sloe, Bernie Madoff just pulled it off on Wall Street for the last 20 years, and no one caught on. Of course, the drug trade is different, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. This guy has alot of money to cover his tracks, and make everyone who he employs probably appear legitimate on paper, like himself.
No, Tchefuncte Tiger, I'm suggesting that she's going to keep the crooked books going for Ted, and ask for a percentage or bonuses. Maybe that could be considered blackmail, but I wasn't thinking that. And she might throw in a little flirting to boot, and Ted will be grateful.
Skottey: "That is one possibility. I don't really think the friend of a friend of a friend thing really answers anything. He deals directly with Gus I'm sure. I believe it was I that said they should have shot Saul way back when they kidnapped him and had him out in the middle of nowhere. I knew the minute they let him go and then he walked in the school at the end of the show that he was going to be BIG trouble for Walt and Jesse. He is stabbing them in the back. This all happened because of their rapid need/desire to grow. How many drug dealers go from a nobody to big time in a matter of a few months? I don't think many. Most people work their way up an established chain. Brains and a lot of luck. They have cut so many corners because of Walt's timetable of Walt having one foot in the grave that they sloppily had no choice but to take a chance with Saul.
Taking it even further, I think Saul knew Walt would go back and try to find Gus. He knows Walt is determined."
Really have to disagree here. Saul is a sleaze bag lawyer who wants one thing: MONEY. He denied Walt and Jesse in the beginning because he didn't know who the hell they were: smart move. He knows about them now and knows how high the market is for their product. There's money to be made and he's the one who's going to do it. If he planned to stab them in the back he would've done it, hmm, I dunno, maybe when they were half a cheek away from a good reaming by the DEA a couple episodes back. By this point, Saul is all in with Walt, who keeps surprising him with his vigor and determination. His reaction when Walt and Jesse tell him how much meth they have is amazing. "Guys, you're sitting on a gold mine." You don't think he wants a piece of that?
I think it's a good think they called Saul.
Hi-I have read the boards for a little while but never commented. This week, I could not resist after last night's episode. Similar to other posts it was disturbing, sad, and a little depressing...but nonetheless awesome. My husband was trying to work on his computer last night and not to watch the show but even he was standing there at the end looking at the tv as Walt went through his mad dash of craziness to get the “product”.
I mainly wanted to post b/c I keep thinking the supply Walt took from Jesse’s house is going to be short. Will there even be 38lbs left after Jesse and Jane spent time smoking the supply? Was Jesse somehow protecting the stash by having Jane go get the heroin instead? I have to say I thought they were going to go on some binge and smoke a lot of their 38lbs of "product". I didn’t think they would smoke all of it, but smoke enough to put a dent in it and make it short for the drop Walt has planned with Gus.
It seems feelings are mixed among this group about if we should discuss previews on this thread but I am new so I will ask for forgiveness if I annoy anyone by mentioning the preview….but from the preview at the end of this week’s episode with Jesse requesting his share of the money, Walt did go through with the transaction and did get money from selling to Gus. So Walt had enough to sell but I keep wondering if he has the full 38lbs at the meeting with Gus' men. After bragging to Gus about the quantity and the fact he could get it at a moment’s notice I keep wondering how the actual meeting will go when Walt gets to the meet location for the deal.
I agree I have been a fan of Giancarlo Esposito (sp?) for a while. I had to admit when he said Walt is not a cautious man and he has poor judgment...I thought boy does that sum up all his actions this season. Walt is so quick to criticize Jesse's incompetence but Walt's poor judgment has been just as big of an issue.
Anyway, sorry for the long first post but that episode really stuck with me for some reason, more so than all the others, and just could not resist joining the conversation. Until next week!
Skottey said: "Then, to see Skyler trying to call. Wouldn't that be Walt's luck to have the baby come during the most critical 60 minutes of his life thus far?"
Walt reminded me a lot of Hal on "Malcolm in the Middle" during that sequence. LOL. Bryan Cranston is great!
I don't think Skyler would present it as a threat to Ted, either. I think it would be presented like "I'm taking this great risk in keeping quiet and helping you - I could go to jail. Will you help me?" More like a I'll help you if you'll help me proposition. Don't think Skyler is the blackmailer type, but I do think she'd appeal to Ted for help/compensation for the risk she's taking, and why she's taking it.
Jamm54 said: "I'm suggesting that she's going to keep the crooked books going for Ted, and ask for a percentage or bonuses."
Gotcha. She'll help Ted keep his scheme going as long as he cuts her in. Good angle. Thanks.
Arghhh... stop calling Jane a skank whore! Now look: we all didn't like it when she was shooting Jesse with h. but didn't we all see Jane as a hope for Jesse to straighten up just a few episodes ago? Didn't you people see how Jesse was changing for good thanks to her? That girl really loves this guy, and she's desperate to be with him. What do you think the whole scene with her refusing to introduce Jesse to her dad was all about? She knew Jesse was a drug dealer back then, and she realized only too well that once her dad learns that his recovering drug addict daughter has a shady character as a boyfriend, that'd be over between the two of them. Now, in the last episode, she just realized that she was loosing Jesse to drugs, when he asked her to leave because he wanted to smoke ice -- now, make no mistake of that, Jesse was on the train to hell already at that point, it's only that the train wasn't traveling at the lightspeed yet... sorry, but if you choose meth to cope with your personal problems over the love and support of the only person that truly cares about you, you're already in deep shit. So, okay, she choose to go back to drugs, the only other choice was to leave Jesse behind, but either way Jesse was on the slope downhill. Now, all that we liked about Jane is over now, thanks to the most stupid and irresponsible thing Jesse has ever done in this show: dragging her back into drugs. So far he's been able to keep afloat thanks to his dumb luck, but this time shit is finally going to hit the fan big time, I think Jesse already starts to realize that he's gotten himself in a situation that he has no power to deal with -- remember that scene when he comes back home and asks Jane if they should go to Santa Fe, and all she says is "sure" and smokes more crystal...? I felt so sorry for both of them at that point: we've seen a good, compassionate side of Jesse in past episodes, I was honestly hoping that with Jane's presence Jesse will finally get a life -- and I got so frustrated and disappointed when, again, thanks to his irresponsibility things that could've been so good went completely wrong...
OK, my addiction to this show is spiraling totally out of control :) Could hardly sleep last night...
Jamm54, very interesting take on Skyler going back to Beneke for the possibility of a financial benefit. I wonder if her righteous indignation would be as easily tempered had she not had a history with Ted. I am not a big fan of Skyler anymore, and I think her returning to Beneke has nothing to do with financing Walt’s surgery. But I am not very good at gauging a female’s motives.
Jane is a skank! Skank skank skank-ass skank! LOL!
As soon as I saw Giencarlo Espisito in the credits, I knew he would be the drug connection. He is a great actor. We first saw him in "Taps" almost thirty years ago. Since then he has done a little of everything. Very versatile. This show is so well cast and every actor seems perfect for the part they play. Kudos to Bob Odenkirk as Saul. He used to write for SNL and wrote all of Chris Farley's best stuff. He is terrific in "Breaking Bad".
I want Saul to tell Walt, "You'll have plenty of time to cook meth when you're living in a van down by the river!!!"
This is my first post. It's good to see Jamm here, Hi jamm. (from MM posts)
This is also a very smart show, with smart posters (for the most part).
Lots of good insight here on this board.
I do love Jesse, and like most on this board we have seen him struggle with his good heart, and his stupid mind. I can't believe he will die. But, my guess is, he will. Using needles do shorten ones life to 6 years.
I also think he should get half of Walt's take of the money. Drug dealers pay for silence and that is a HUGE commodity.
Walt might let Jesse go, but who would we root for in the Goodness dept? We all see even the honest are dishonest.
We see Walt becoming his alter ego Heisenberger. But then, Walt had no spine in the beginning. Perhaps he can marry the two personalities. Gus might be the one that is the ruthless person that Walt needs. Will he do Jesse in?
I see Walt and Gus being very good friends.
I'm guessing that the body bags could be Jesse, and? And maybe Jane's dad did it to Jesse because he turned his daughter back into a drug addict? Or it was one of those horrible accidents that end up helping out our 'heros"?
Like Mad Men: no one is wholly good, nor bad. No one starts on a path and continues. There are hills and valleys in the progression.
Just like life.
I think Skyler is very lonely, and alone. I don't think going back to Bennecke was some ploy to reunite with an old flame or stir the embers of a past flirtation. Jeez, she was 8-9 months pregnant! Though once she got hired, I think she enjoyed the attention from Ted.
But, she was being proactive. When Gretchen said the financial aid was over, Skyler took action. She used an old flirtation/the boss' feelings for her to get a job from the only employer who would hire an 8-9 months pregnant woman. That was logical and smart. They needed the money.
Besides, her relationship with Walt is really different. He's become more remote, never around, secretive - and he might be having an affair, plus (at that time) he was dying relatively soon.
She's looking out for herself, her family, and the future of her two kids. In her mind, she may end up being the sole breadwinner after Walt dies. Skyler is moving forward, and not waiting for it all to collapse on top of her.
Probably, Skyler feels Walt seems to have kind of checked out of the family emotionally, so she's taking care of herself.
Welcome, boop! Cute avatar! :)
Hi boop! Great to see you, too!
I somehow don't think jesse will die. Jane will be dead, but I think Jesse kills her after realizing she almost blew his chance at 1.2 million, and after Walt tells Jesse either get clean, or you will end up like Tuco. Regardless of how it happens, I think Jesse takes out Jane.
Just went back and looked - the guy in the chicken restaurant giving Walt the instructions IS NOT the guy in the car at the beginning when Combo gets shot. Also, I noticed in re-watching it that the 2 guys in the car gave the kid a two honk signal when it was time to shoot Combo - possibly an "all clear" type of signal. And BTW - the kid is not using a Glock - looks more like a S&W Sigma 380 to me....
Unlike the members of the "I hate Jane" club, I felt really bad when I saw her go back to using. I was very hopeful that she might be setting a good example for Jesse and would be his motivation for kicking his habit and turning out ok in the end.
Wow! Look at ALL these posts, already!!! =O
Everybody seems to have hit upon, all the subjects thoroughly! And, I agree with many of them...
My head is STILL spinning, from last nights episode!!!
All's I can add, at this time is:
While I realize, this song does'nt "fit" Gus' character...
"Chicken Train" by Ozark Mountain Daredevils, kept going through my head, after this show!
Maybe, 'cuz of them dealing with "High-Speed Chicken Feed" & the train-wreck, that's obviously ahead!!! =D ha ha ha!
Quote by: James26 on May 18, 2009 6:35 PM
Jane is a skank! Skank skank skank-ass skank! LOL!
Whoaaa there, James!! Better make SURE, there are'nt ANY ATMs around, when you say that!! LOL!!!
tuttle300: I realize you meant no harm, previously...It's SO hard, to NOT get caught up, in all the excitement of this show!!! =)
While you did'nt offend me, in the least...
I was impressed, that you apologized for your actions...and, more than once...that was pretty cool!
Let's hope that Jesse's first kill isn't accidentally killing Jane while he's in a drugged stupor - that would be the absolute worst.
bigjohn59 Thanks for the info! Your details about the Combo hit reveal pretty meticulous planning.
James26 don't pop a tonsil!
Hmmm. For all of you with theories about Jesse's demise; chew on the description for Episode 13 - ABQ. The season finale.
Skyler's frustration with Walt's secrecy finally comes to a head. Jesse self-destructs after a personal blow.
jamm-I think it would be great if Jesse accidentally killed Jane! And if there were an ATM machine around, I'd crush HER with it, lol!
KELI37 - I admit I thought Walt was going to be a little short on product too, but I rewatched the meeting they had in this episode with Saul; and they claim to have "38 pounds, and change". I'm guessing whatever that "change" is, Jesse and Jane are using. Seems possible, but I doubt the writers are preparing to take us in that direction.
I love how the show always makes Jesse the scapegoat even though Walt is clearly the antagonist in most cases.
In this episode Walt decided to expand the business into new territory which is what got Combo killed and led to Jesse going off the deep end. Jesse wouldn't even be in the business if Walt/Heisenberg didn't keep pulling him back in. Ultimately though they're partners 50/50 and they share the blame 50/50. Somehow they always manage to exemplify each others faults, simultaneously causing each others downfall.
"Skyler's frustration with Walt's secrecy finally comes to a head. Jesse self-destructs after a personal blow."
Could this possibly mean that Skyler finally leaves Walt and Jane dies?
Some memorable roles that Giancarlo Esposito has played.
A small but memorable role as Detective
Baer in "The Usual Suspects" he is one of the first guys that helps to unravel the never ending question "Who is Keyser Soze?"
He played the Heroin dealer Esteban in
"Fresh"
And who could ever forget his coke bottle glasses and black power emotion as Buggin Out in "Do the Right Thing"
And now Gustavo Frings the mild mannered Chicken Roaster restaurant owner by day and probably calculating, cold blooded killer drug dealer by night. I have a feeling many will be remembering this recent role for a very long time!
A few things....
1. That was quite simply one of the best hours of television I've ever seen. The best episode yet, IMO.
2. It was also pretty devastating, emotionally. I have a really bad taste in my mouth now, so to speak, something few shows do. But damn, I can't imagine things getting any more intense... who knows what will happen in the season finale.
3. I find it sort of disturbing how so many here seem to say Jesse and/or Jane deserve to die, sounding like some angry mob or something cheering for their demise. OK, they're addicts, people. Show some compassion please. Addicts relapse. Addicts show poor judgement. Addicts who sleep with other addicts are gonna use. It's sad but true. And now it seems like Walt has no use for Jesse, so I don't see how BB has any use for him as a character. And knowing how tragic and gritty this show is, only getting more and more tragic with each episode, I don't think things are gonna end well for Jesse and likely Jane as well. But why on earth would you welcome that, like it's some act of cosmic justice to them for being filthy disgusting morally bakrupt, etc. drug addicts. Seriously, have a heart. It's just a TV show and all, but some people's comments on it are revealing themselves to be pretty cruel IMO.
Jamm54 said: "More like a I'll help you if you'll help me proposition. Don't think Skyler is the blackmailer type, but I do think she'd appeal to Ted for help/compensation for the risk she's taking, and why she's taking it."
"But, she was being proactive. When Gretchen said the financial aid was over, Skyler took action. She used an old flirtation/the boss' feelings for her to get a job from the only employer who would hire an 8-9 months pregnant woman. That was logical and smart. They needed the money."
"She's looking out for herself, her family, and the future of her two kids. In her mind, she may end up being the sole breadwinner after Walt dies. Skyler is moving forward, and not waiting for it all to collapse on top of her."
I agree on all counts. I thought she may try to blackmail Ted, but I like your thinking better. I don't see Skyler as a blackmailer either, but that thought did cross my mind; desperate times call for desperate measures.
James26 I know you're on a high this week about Jane, but you have to control yourself! LOL
Wow, what a show. I'm stoked and depressed at the same time....I'm hooked like a junkie and I need more!
More complications and more possibilities for who is in those two body bags.
Jesse and Jane. Are the bodies bags Heisenberg's solution for Jane's blackmail attempt
Skyler and Ted? Heisenberg's reackoning with their affair - if they have one.
The two bangers in the car watching the kid shoot Combo - Walt surviving a hit from the competition
Hank and Marie, Jane and her Dad,
Saul and Gus, Badger and Skinny Pete....Hey anything can happen in these next episodes.
And I almost hate watching the previews. Two possibilities exist for Jane's blackmail attempt.
1. Walt wants to keep all the money and Jane/Jesse just want thier share.
2. Walt gives Jesse his half, but now Jane wants it ALL!!
I'm thinking somehow, the blackmail is going to set up the body bag scene, but not sure how and I can't really see the show without the Jesse/Walt conflict and interaction. No matter how low Jesse has gotten he has always bounced back. Now I know he looks like his plane is on fire and his wheels are up, but somehow he will pull up out of the dive without completely carshing and burning - even if it means rehab.
Can't wait till next week...yo homes, these writers have some mad skills.
mnsteph said "People really thought that Jane's dad was a dealer? No way...he never came across that way to me. :
Yeah, they came to that conclusion between the 30 seconds of screen time he had because he knocked on her door and she ran around back to get him and then snubbed Jesse during that 30 seconds of screen time. Add in that she called him a hard ass and brought him up once or twice about not smoking in the apartment and doing Jesse a favor by not introducing the two. Talk about a stretch.
Wow. Less than 24 hours and the blog is fantastic. You fans know your stuff and love this show as much as I do.
Gotta log in on Skylar. I don't think it was a small fling with her and Ted. If she left the job because of harrasment on his part, there would be no way he'd ask for her performance and she'd do it. And she was blushing because she was enjoying it, not because she was uncomfortable. C'mon. Would you be singing for your boss?
As for Jesse, I've relented. Ok, don't put him in a body bag. But I'll bet Walt comes home from visiting Sky in the hospital to find J and J sitting on the sofa in his livingroom waiting for him. And something is going to go BAd and Jane is going to be done. Jesse is going to have to earn his stripes with Walt in order to not get offed by Gus' orginization.
Gus is just scary. He comes across as Peewee Herman, but those of you who noticed that he called Walt, Mr. White. Bingo. He knows his stuff. Did he do research or did Saul tell him. And just how close is Saul. Saul knew all about Gus refusing to meet Walt, so he's a lot closer than he says he is. But, does he know how much the deal is for that Walt's going for? Will Walt try to skimp on the amount he puts through Saul's washing machine? I'll be willing to bet that's what's involved in the explosion at the house. He tries to rip off Saul, and Saul sends him a very explicit warning about just who is the boss and who is the cook. But who's in the body bags....... I'm afraid to guess....the cleaning lady and the paper boy? Collateral damage? Perhaps. But I'm starting to agree with the fans who say it won't be Jesse.
For James26..I loved your call about the pink teddy bear and the name Pinkman. Thats good man.
And WernerK, you've had one of the most intelligent posts I've read to date. Vince needs to send you a hat.
As for Kell37, just how fast do you think anyone can go through 38 POUNDS of meth. Do you have any idea how many grams that is. Think truckload.
I am so addicted to this show, I think I'm starting to understand what a junkie means when they NEED a fix. I need to have next sunday come sooner than a week from now. Waiting is agony.
Quote by Anonymous:
I find it sort of disturbing how so many here seem to say Jesse and/or Jane deserve to die, sounding like some angry mob or something cheering for their demise.
Good call...
I wonder how Walt will feel the day he discovers he's a talented chemist and cook, but truly an inept businessman and has no real talent for business.
Neither one deserves to die, and I sure don't want Jesse to die. I think it's kind of inevitable that Jane will because of her speed bullet slide back on the drugs after she took that hit with Jesse. She's probably doing the drugs 100% harder than when she got off them 18 months ago.
Addictions are terrible. Try cigarettes - you stop completely, relapse and are smoking double what you were when you quit. That's why I think Jane's relapse and renewed drug use will kill her. Jesse's building up to his Waterloo of drug consumption, while Jane's speeding past hers.
I don't think Walt and Gus will become 'friends.' I think Gus is way too careful to make friends in those low places. You don't survive in that business - let alone PROSPER - for twenty years by getting too close.
The surgeon who saw Walt in this episode was the same surgeon who Tony Soprano had to straighten out for dissing Uncle Jun'. The surgeon got mad when Junior got a second opinion. Tony and Furio backed him into a pond on a golf course till he got the message to show Uncle Jun' some respect. Would be kinda funny if Heisenberg did something similar.
What are we all gonna do when this is all over till the next season starts?!? Besides go crazy?
Hey, I just gave myself an idea (about what we will do while jonesin' for BB during the hiatus.) Why don't we start our own story threads? Then different plot twists and stuff could be posted by everybody like our comments are now. We'd probably end up with a mess, but at least it would be fun. Be kinda cool to start a story and then check it out the next day and see where other people have taken it. We'd just have to agree to respect each other enough not to be rude. (Like that will last, but hope springs eternal.) Whadda you guys think?
Again, a magnificent episode... It would be my suggestion that everyone go out and buy each seasons DVD because Breaking Bad is one that will one day be put away in the Hollywood archives vault in fear that such great writings would be lost. I'm curios if Hank will blog on this even though his busy schedule working DEA and running his boot leg brewery kept him out of this weeks episode. Vince Gilligan, I applaud you with a standing ovation. AMC also deserves recognition for having taking the chance of getting negative reviews and still airing Breaking Bad only slightly cut. On a down note, only two episodes remain in season two... It will be a sad day in television broadcasting after 5/31/09 until 00/00/10
i love this show jessie is going down hill. but i have to say i do like the guy and i can see why walt does too. but walt did get the drugs and sold them for 1.2mill and jessie thinks someone stole them. do you think walt will tell jess or not? just on a side note if you want a computer go to http://www.Coast2coastpc.com i just got my laptop their it has to be the best computer financing company around, finance a pc, no credit check and if you are looking to rebuild your credit it is a good way too, But back to this bad a** show i really hope the best for jessie, i mean there is something about him you have to love. Walt its nice to see him growing more ball every time we see him
I agree with Eddie...Jesse will pull through somehow; they can't kill him off or that would be the end of the show (it would for me anyway, since I'm liking Walt less and less with each episode...)
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i do agree presby
I kind of feel like Jesse sent Jane to the smack store. it wasn't so much as Jane corrupting Jesse as it was the Jesse getting Jane back to her old ways.
The opening was intense.. what some sort of initiation for young gang bangers?
The Jesse floating in the room with a song singing "Enchanting "... Viva Nuevo Mexico :)
I was wondering week if it was going to be mexican tar .. should of known it would of been a speedball.
Walt's frenzy at the end... like now we really can relax till next week ;)
OMG I love this show and just had to join to let everyone know that this season is rocking. Cant believe jesse would do that to his GF - get her hooked on the shit again, you can see the guilt in his eyes. he is going to fuck everything up - getting mixed into H is not a good sign! I hope he sees the light and realizes what he is doing. So sad to see it happen to him
AMC NEVER fire your writers for this show - this show needs some emmys! my god - I am as hooked as Jesse is to meth - please keep this show on - I never have seen such a gritty, amazing show before..And even though Jesse is on meth - my god is he hot!! Have been watching him on big love and cant wait to see this kid in more stuff
Walt really needs to drive fast to make the deal .
Exit 13.. 2 miles south would put him near Las Cruces.. like you said Sloe.. so he can't go slow;)
Now Skylar is going to cook the books to help ends meet. Okay Ted I'll do it for $150k.
Google Maps says 222 miles from ABQ to Las Cruces. "3 hours and 23 minutes".
One hour, including the time at Jesse's place looking for the product? Aztek is a GM mistake, not a handcrafted Ferrari supercar.
Did the writers mess up and mean Exit 213? That's certainly possible.
Side note: I learned there is a town called "Truth or Consequences" north of Las Cruces. I hope we get to see Walter pass the sign for the exit.
i love the titles to this show- the periodic table. I forget what Bryan Cranston's symbol is. But look up "Heisenberg" on Wiki- great symbolism in the name. How the hell did they get such a great show on TV? So addicted to this show!!
Moderators, please direct your attention to agreenberg; I'm pretty sure there's no need to shill for computers and financing here. Really, I stopped reading that post after seeing the hyperlink.
Jessefn said: "Cant believe jesse would do that to his GF - get her hooked on the shit again, you can see the guilt in his eyes."
Jesse did no such thing. Jesse asked Jane to leave so he could smoke some crystal. She chose to stay and get high. Jane's addiction (great band by the way, LOL) is all on Jane - not Jesse.
Werner K wrote "Moderators, please direct your attention to agreenberg; I'm pretty sure there's no need to shill for computers and financing here. Really, I stopped reading that post after seeing the hyperlink."
What is up with that link? I noticed that some of our posts were copied and pasted to that blog page as if the author wrote them, including one of my own that I saw. What is up with that?
Just wait till Gus finds out Walt's brother-in-law is a DEA agent! He will not be amused.
bigfreakinnaz said "Just wait till Gus finds out Walt's brother-in-law is a DEA agent! He will not be amused."
If Saul knows, you can bet Gus knows.
I think Jane is going to rip Jessie off. She's pretending to help Jessie until Jessie gets the $.
Or else why make the Jane character unable to commit? BB isn't a love story and we're not watching soap opera here.
Why kill off Jessie's friend characters if Jessie will be in next season? And, if Jessie is leaving, then Jane must leave also.
So, my guess:
Jessie + Jane in the bags
Jessie shot Jane in the car then blew himself up trying to take Walt with him.
skottey: If Gus knew that Walt's brother-in-law was a DEA agent, wouldn't that send a red flag up immediately to a man that's supposed to be such a low key and cautious dealer such as himself that as never been caught in 20 years?
A revised prediction here: The DEA catches Gus with all that blue meth after he gets it from Walt, and Hank thinks it's the real Heisenberg because Gus is an older bald guy (as per Badger's description). Gus will then think he was set up, and that's when the fun will start!
Ok, i finally watched the episode and read just about all yourt guys' comments. I hated waitig a day! What an episode! I truly didn't see this dark turn coming for Jesse. So sad. I always had kind of that he was just a casual user, but once someone turns to the needle, not too many people come back from that. When I was 23 my husband got involved with drugs but kept it hidden from me. I knew he drank and smoked a little pot but he was actually secretly shooting up heroin. I was so naive. I threatened to leave him in an effort to scare him straight and it worked for a while. He tried to stay clean but one morning when I was asleep he snuck off to get high and crawled back in bed with me, Since he'd been clean for a few weeks his system wasn't used to the amount he'd injected. I woke up to him dead in my bed. It was the worst moment of my life. I pray Jesse gets away from that awful needle. Jane and he are no good together and unless they both get in a program, their outoom is grim to say the least. I should have realized that Jesse's drug problem was as bas as bad as it is since in times of stress he always seems to turn to drugs. Remember how he had to get high to enter the skank's and Spooge's house, and how he holed up in his house for days on end getting high after that went awry? Thise are classic signs of a true addict. Sigh, I hope Jesse gets it together. It's against all odds, but some people do make it. I'm so mad at jane for introducing that damn needle to him.
Snownman just blew my mind. Jane runs off with Jesses share of the money, makes alot of sense. My only problem with that theory is that Vince Gilligan compared J&Js relationship with Romeo & Juliet,(more like Sid & Nancy imo). I'm looking forward to seeing J&J die for what they think is love. Their love for eachother and the dope
P.S.Is it me or is the fact that a black man running a chicken restarant a little....nevermind.
Operator 752....My brother is a college professer and he was explaining the Hesineberg uncertainy principle to me last night and the signifignace of Wat using that name as his pseudonym. Basically, the Heisenberg Uncertainly principle is a theory developed by a physicist in the early 20th centuty that states the way that light has two forms....it can be viewd as a solid mass or ray of lght... or as a grouping of individual particles. it (light) must onle decide which form to take on once it's being observed. Kind of like our character Walt/Heisenberg. Depending whom he''s with he adapts a different form. When around his family, he takes on the form of mild-manned Walt. When he is observed by the criminal people in his life he takes on the Heisenberg persona. Depending on who's viewing him, he takesmust decide what form he takes on.... just like light does according to Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics. Heisenberg's name was no accident.
Slygirl08..Woah. I heard on the insider the work they put in finding a song to play in sequence with Jesse's first time with dope. These writers aint fucking around.
tj-Thanks man! :)
sweetposey-That's a great idea about starting a thread for our own stories!
Tiger-"Jane's Addiction", lol! Can't believe I didn't think of that before! :)
I'm certainly not rooting for Jesse to die, but Jane...that's a different story!
skottey: Another thing comes to mind - Saul probably would not tell Gus that Walt's brother-in-law is a DEA agent. This would scare off Gus big-time, and if the deal doesn't go down because of this, Saul will never get his cut of $$$$ from that 38lbs. of meth. Saul may have to pay the piper for withholding that tidbit of information from Gus. He definitely will not take too kindly his 20 year record of not getting caught flushed down the shitter!
good Mornning James26 : )
Sweetposey...what a cool iea you have about starting our own story thread. Keep me posted!
I just looked at the time of my post. I'm in California and it's 10:33am here....NM time is an hour later and East coast time is 3 hours later. Where is it 2 hours later (12:33pm)???
oops, i guess it's "Central time' : )
The Ankle Grab: I took some liberties with the dialogue. I trimmed it down to the most important parts and will comment on it. This is regarding Walt’s revelation of the kingpin known as Gus.
Gus: I don’t think we’re alike at all, Mr. White. You are not a cautious man at all. Your partner was late and he was high.
Walt: Yes. Yes, he was.
Gus: He’s high often isn’t he? You have poor judgment. I can’t work with someone with poor judgment.
Walt: Now, who I choose to do business with is not your problem.
Gus: I have to ask – why? Why him?
Walt: Because he does what I say. Because I can trust him.
Gus: You can never trust a drug addict.
Here we are BB fans. We are watching, dare I say, a prophesy spoken into the show? Jesse’s drug addiction will become a further hurdle that Walt will have to jump. Jesse really is making me feel unsettled with the relationship of Jane. Yes, James26, you were right. I was the first to point out your hatred and the first to join your troops, so have your party. The previews knock the wind out of your sails when she tells Walt that she’ll burn him to the ground. How could Jesse even let her do that? Walt is a killer with big ambitions and a very cautious man looking over his shoulder. I believe that she won’t be in the front very much longer. I believe that she’ll take Jesse’s money and run. Run away from danger, run away from daddy, and keep all that is Jesse’s for herself. I don’t think that he would be lucky enough for her to overdose.
So all of this begs the question – if Jesse has nothing, or if he is caught, will he sell out Walt? Will he show the same loyalty that Walt just showed him? I think that Gus answered that question. You can never trust a drug addict.
Do you guys think Walt will admit to Jese that they weren't robbed....or let him cvontinue on his downward spiral of drugs and keep all the money for himself? I can't imagine Walt doing that to Jesse....but Walt's true alliance is to his family and Heisenberg doesn't really think with his heart. Heisenberg is all about business and making money. i hope his fondness for Jesse prevails and he dowe the right thing. I think we will. What say you?
Perhaps what was most frightening about Sunday Nights ep is this incredible show is only in it's second season. At least 4 seasons are planned, maybe a 5th if all the stars aligned perfectly. But did any of us see BB getting this dark. Wow!
Jesse would most certainly tack on a "YO!!" to that question. LOL
Except, as seen in this ep...Jesse Pinkman (Aaron Paul/brilliant) is a lost cause. He truly has become the loser his well-to-do parents feared.. A likeable young man with a large heart, but now vacant. Thanks Heroin!! But really thanks go out to his would be girlfriend, the bad news landlady, or better known as Skank II (Am I right James26? :) )
The sand line between Jesse and Walt, beyond their age difference, their perspective on life has never been more defined than right now. Not only does Walt not care that a member of Jesse's make shift cartel is slain point blank, he no longer wants Jesse as a partner. I think this entire ep was the separating of the drug addict from the businessman. And it leaves Jesse stranded like road kill along the road of hard knocks.
I read comments about Jesse and how rotten he and Jane are and they should be killed. Whoa------slow down just a bit. We now picking what we deem as exceptable behaviour in our shows characters. Has Jesse killed anyone??? Has he ripped his partner off????? No...............he is an addict that needs help. Jane has got to go for Jesse to survive. (Am I right James26??)
It looks like the title of the show 'BREAKING BAD' is so right on. It seems like the entire cast is Breaking Bad at different levels. I think Vince is Breaking Bad to some degree. LOL
Love the show, and enjoy reading all of the comments.
Perhaps what was most frightening about Sunday Nights ep is this incredible show is only in it's second season. At least 4 seasons are planned, maybe a 5th if all the stars aligned perfectly. But did any of us see BB getting this dark. Wow!
Jesse would most certainly tack on a "YO!!" to that question. LOL
Except, as seen in this ep...Jesse Pinkman (Aaron Paul/brilliant) is a lost cause. He truly has become the loser his well-to-do parents feared.. A likeable young man with a large heart, but now vacant. Thanks Heroin!! But really thanks go out to his would be girlfriend, the bad news landlady, or better known as Skank II (Am I right James26? :) )
The sand line between Jesse and Walt, beyond their age difference, their perspective on life has never been more defined than right now. Not only does Walt not care that a member of Jesse's make shift cartel is slain point blank, he no longer wants Jesse as a partner. I think this entire ep was the separating of the drug addict from the businessman. And it leaves Jesse stranded like road kill along the road of hard knocks.
I read comments about Jesse and how rotten he and Jane are and they should be killed. Whoa------slow down just a bit. We now picking what we deem as exceptable behaviour in our shows characters. Has Jesse killed anyone??? Has he ripped his partner off????? No...............he is an addict that needs help. Jane has got to go for Jesse to survive. (Am I right James26??)
It looks like the title of the show 'BREAKING BAD' is so right on. It seems like the entire cast is Breaking Bad at different levels. I think Vince is Breaking Bad to some degree. LOL
Love the show, and enjoy reading all of the comments.
Slygirl: So sorry about your husband. Very sad.
Payback
When Walt and Jesse were talking to Saul about their infrastructure, Walt brought up the very important point of payback. Whose dealers shot Combo? Was it the Juarez boys? Was it the Gus’ crew? What if Heisenberg retaliates? Who is he going up against? How will it affect his family?
So sorry about the double post.
Now, about Exit 13 on I-25... I guess it's just yet another game that the writers are playing with us: Series 2 has 13 episodes, Sky was initially scheduled for c section on the 13th, and Walt is to deliver the drugs on Exit 13... I love how this show is packed with all those inside jokes left for us to discover!
Looking toward the future, I am wondering how they get another barrel of methylamine. Tassel ski masks again? Will the cops be waiting next time around?
Gus is a pychopath with brains. He will not hesitate to have his connections take out anyone who is not 100% on board, and not screwing up. Sorry Jesse.................You better get your act together and fast.
Walt and Gus will never be close. Strictly business!
PAMELA!!! Where are you?? Haven't heard from you in a long time, and your boy Jesse is in deep.
Damn guys. Who's going to be in those body bags?! Is it going to be Jesse and Jane, or is it going to be Skyler and Walt Jr.??? Damn this shit is crazy.
Laz3000 - I like your scenario with Jane taking Jesse's money and running away from him and her Daddy. That'll be impetus enough to get him straight, and I'm afraid that he'll get killed off if he doesn't get clean and fast! And not by Gus or Walt, but by the writers. If they're making him unlikable and he's making really bad choices it stands to reason they're planning on getting rid of his character. I will be very upset if Jesse is in one of those body bags!!
And then....Jane's dad will go looking for her with his goons and it'll start at Jesse's doorstep.
Slygirl, when Hank shot Tuco and the DEA kept Jesse’s money, Jesse complained that Walt should share half of the remaining money. Walt felt really bad about the spate of bad luck that had befallen Jesse, i.e. lost his house, his car, his motorcycle, his share of the cash, became a port-o-potty-smurf, etc. In spite of originally telling Jesse no, Walt did give Jesse half - well almost half. I think Walt did it out of compassion. Most of the events that befell Jesse were not the result of Jesse’s direct actions. That perhaps played into Walt’s compassion.
Of course that was nowhere near 1.2 million. I doubt Walt will have the same amount of compassion towards Jesse in this case. Perhaps Walt will pay him for assisting in the production and maybe an R&D bonus for coming up with a clever robot concept.
I think someone on the writing staff is a fan of 'Jane's Addiction'.
The last episode is called ABQ... the code for the Albuquerque airport. Perhaps that's where the last chapters of this season are staged at? With Jane fleeing with Jesse's money, Jesse collapsing into drugs after being cheated by the monster he created after dragging Jane back into h., with Jane's dad seeking revenge for what happened, and with Gus' hitmen coming to clean the whole mess and settle things down...
Did anyone notice that the kids in Walt's class were a lot better behaved than they were last season?? No one even remarked about the cell phone going off in the ceiling.... a little more of Heisenberg in the classroom maybe??
pg1978 said: Jesse collapsing into drugs after being cheated by the monster he created "after dragging Jane back into h." Jesse didn't drag Jane anywhere, in fact he told her to leave so he could be alone, smoke some meth, and mourn the lose of his friend. Jane came back on her own. As we all know, HUGE MISTAKE!!!! :)
In regard to the loyalty that Jesse and Walter have for one another. Remember in the first season after they disposed of Emilio and Krazy-8 they both went their separate ways que sera, sera. But Jesse did wind up selling that small batch they made. Everyone bragged about how good it was and Jesse went to see Walter at his house and gave him a few thousand dollars from the supply that he had and told him how all is customers raved about the product
Jesse sought out Walter out of loyalty and to let him know that he did indeed have a great product on hand. Jesse didn’t have to do that. He could have kept the money himself and that would have been the end of it. But in Walter he saw both a partner that had the chemistry right and some sort of guiding hand. As Jesse has been fond of saying “50-50 partners!”
I can understand Walt being pissed at Jesse now for this latest misstep. He had to miss the birth of his daughter because Jesse fell asleep at the wheel because he is now aboard the H Train big time. So I can see why Walter wouldn’t’ want to give him anything. But regardless of Jesse’s addiction and actions, he is still his partner. He came to Jesse to get into this business and has kept Jesse in it himself. Jesse pretty much lost his home, his money, and his car, and almost his life on a couple of occasions because of everything that Walter has asked of him.
Now when they finally make a big score Walter is going to hold out on him. I think if I were Jesse I would be pissed and drop a dime on Walter too. Walter forgets that he has much more to lose in the fact that he has still been keeping a secret from his family. A secret worth a lot more than the split of 1.2 million dollars. He should be happy to pay Jesse and be rid of him if he indeed want’s to sever his partnership. But just giving the guy nothing will only create a bigger problem for Walter and he should realize that. His ego has gotten way out of line and Heisenburg is going to write the check that Walt won’t be able to cash real soon.
bigfreakinnaz - I totally forgot about the probablility of Gus knowing that Walt's brother-in-law was a DEA agent. I assume he does if he is as careful as we are being led to believe. Like you said, what if Saul withheld that information from Gus...it could get ugly real fast.
pg1978 - So ABQ is an airport code? That explains an air traffic controller in the main credits of the ABQ episode. Now I am REALLY curious as to what happens.
I thought someone said that the BB people had said in a podcast that the opening scenes with the pink bear and the body bags would not be resolved this season. Is that right?
@ laz3000
I was wondering the same thing. But now that they've hooked up, I'm sure Gus with all his connections will more than happily provide whatever Walt needs.
Just a thought... if filming was done at the airport, wouldn't somebody who is a fan of the show be talking about it who was there and roped off of a certain section during filming?
It just seems like we'd hear about it. They wouldn't have shut the airport down to film unless they did it at night. But then it would be dark. That would be a lot of permitting with TSA to use the real airport for filming (other than the drop off/pick up at the door).
I can't see them creating huge parts of a real airport on the set.
Any thoughts on this?
Noah- thank you for your kind words.
Sloe- very true anout walt's generousity and fairness with Jesse. I thought it was really cool of him to demand pain and suffering money for Jesse after Tuco's beating left him in the hospital
(PS that "A robot?" line still cracks me up!")
wichopunkass - It's really impressive how much thought goes into the songs and all of the other aspects of this awesome show. I just started listening to the podcsats and am finding just how much reserach the creators do finding just the right song or details to help tell the story or set the mood for each episode. Simply brilliant.
ABQ = Albuquerque International Sunport
The Albuquerque International Sunport is a world-renowned, full-service facility that welcomes more than six million travelers per year.
As the state’s largest commercial airport, the Sunport serves as the gateway to the diverse cultures, rich history and breathtaking landscapes that make New Mexico.
We are committed to providing a clean, safe and passenger friendly facility that is capable of meeting the current and future travel needs of visitors and New Mexicans alike.
The Albuquerque International Sunport is owned by the City of Albuquerque and operated by the Aviation Department.
@ mnsteph
"I thought someone said that the BB people had said in a podcast that the opening scenes with the pink bear and the body bags would not be resolved this season. Is that right?"
You know I was thinking about that myself. What if it doesn't even happen this season? Or what if it does but it's unresolved as you say, like it happens, but then the season ends like that, and we don't even get to know who is in those body bags. Damnit, I'm afarid that IS what is going to happen. That would be quite cruel, and quite a cliff hanger. Shit imagine having to wait a whole year, not just one week to see who's in those body bags. I hope not. I don't know if I could stand that.
I'm wondering if Gus will kill Jesse for the following reasons:
1. Gus knows Walt and Jesse's identities. As others have pointed out, Gus called Walt "Mr. White" and Jesse acknowledged that Gus knew their identities when he sat down with Walt in the restaurant.
2. Gus probably did some digging on Walt and Jesse before their first time in the restaurant. Remember that Gus asked Walt whether Jesse was high often. It didn't sound like a question so much as something Gus already knew.
3. Gus's warning to Walt that "You can't trust a drug addict" was more than free advice. Gus was stating his intentions towards Jesse. If Walt wants to do business with Gus, Jesse will have to go.
4. Gus asked Walt to confirm that Jesse provides no real value to the partnership. I forget his exact words, but it was something like, "Answer one question, why work with him?" Gus wanted to confirm that he could kill Jesse without any impact on Walt's ability to do business. Walt's answer didn't exactly help Jesse out in that regard.
5. Gus's demeanor when he finally acknowledged he was Walt's contact was chilling. He's the type of "cautious" that will kill anyone who puts him at the slightest risk. Jesse is a big risk.
I'm not sure how it will all play out in the final episode of this season, but Jesse is probably going down. Especially since the producers originally planned to kill him off in the first season.
300 on a Tuesday... ain't it grand.... I love BB
Yeah, skottey, 300... we'll all need some sort of support groups of "breaking-baders-anonymous" to discuss our addiction rather than new threads during the mid-season fasting, where we'll be predicting what's gonna happen in the 3rd season, lol
ummm...Isn't Arron paul signed on for season three?
I believe someone has already mentioned this in an earlier post, but it's really freaking me out how alot of people on this board have turned on Jesse so quickly.
I still Love Jesse. He has just fallen down further inti his addiction.
Good morning, Slygirl. ;)
laz-I'm still partying, lol!
noah-Yes, you're right!!! :)
skottey, FYI: They did rent out the airport for a day in "4 Days Out". It was on the podcast. It was a big part of their budget, I guess. But it was only used for a couple of their shots.
As for any upcoming episodes, they may use a hangar or a closed off terminal. Just a thought.
They are calling this the best show on TV ever, but do you think the viewers are really there if their budget is that low? Well, we all are here. Maybe the budget will grow a little larger next year.
trueblu8 wrote:
@ mnsteph
"I thought someone said that the BB people had said in a podcast that the opening scenes with the pink bear and the body bags would not be resolved this season. Is that right?" You know I was thinking about that myself. What if it doesn't even happen this season? Or what if it does but it's unresolved as you say, like it happens, but then the season ends like that, and we don't even get to know who is in those body bags. Damnit, I'm afarid that IS what is going to happen. That would be quite cruel, and quite a cliff hanger. Shit imagine having to wait a whole year, not just one week to see who's in those body bags. I hope not. I don't know if I could stand that.
l was listening to that myself and it seemed that Vince Gilligan was joking during that part. I'm pretty sure that he said he was joking. But they would do that. It makes me nervous, too.
This show is the first one I've been loyal to. It deserves all the awards it can get.
I'm the one who commented about the podcast when they were talking about that opening scene with the bodybags and the pink teddy bear. All they really said was about how pissed the fans would be if that wasnt explained by the end of the season. (They were laughing at us). They didnt give any other info about it, though.
billyliar: yes, Aaron Paul is signed on Season 3, at least according to USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2009-04-30-aaron-paul_N.htm
So, that means that either Jesse will live (hooray!), or that we won't learn about the content of infamous body bags until next year...
laz: to paraphrase Gus, "you can never trust a BB screenwriter" :) Now, come to think about it, I wouldn't be the least surprised if the pool scene was the final scene from the very last episode of the show -- whichever season that would be, 4 or 5. It would, in a way, make perfect sense, and would make my admiration for the writers go sky high: that'd prove that they had the whole conception of the series very well thought through already at a relatively early stage of the show, and that they didn't intend to stretch the show endlessly, but rather considered it as one story delivered in 4 or 5 installments.
By mikebiff2325 on May 19, 2009 7:06 PM
I'm the one who commented about the podcast when they were talking about that opening scene with the bodybags and the pink teddy bear. All they really said was about how pissed the fans would be if that wasnt explained by the end of the season. (They were laughing at us). They didnt give any other info about it, though.
Bastards!! How could they even think of leaving us hanging like that not knowing who's in those bags?! LOL.
laz3000
"They are calling this the best show on TV ever, but do you think the viewers are really there if their budget is that low? Well, we all are here. Maybe the budget will grow a little larger next year."
Yeah I agree. It's definitely one of the BEST shows ever. They improved upon SO much from season 1 which had some blah episodes that kinda dragged. Season 2 has been an adrenaline pumped roller coaster ride the whole way through. I have been SO pleasantly shocked man. I can't believe it when I tell all my buddies about it and they're not watching it. It is SO good. They've REALLY outdone themselves this season. I didn't want to say anything so not to jinx this season but with only 2 episodes left to go I figured what the hell they've been doing so good they can't mess this shit up now it's going to be good all the way through! Yeah baby what a ride! LOL.
By tj on May 19, 2009 7:04 PM
This show is the first one I've been loyal to. It deserves all the awards it can get.
Me too. Agreed.
By operator_752 on May 19, 2009 1:32 AM
How the hell did they get such a great show on TV? So addicted to this show!!
I sometimes wondered the same thing. Me too.
By jessefn on May 19, 2009 12:05 AM
AMC NEVER fire your writers for this show - this show needs some emmys! my god - I am as hooked as Jesse is to meth - please keep this show on - I never have seen such a gritty, amazing show before..And even though Jesse is on meth - my god is he hot!! Have been watching him on big love and cant wait to see this kid in more stuff
Me too! And to the second part about Jesse being hot. LOL! I am a guy but I couldn't help but wonder how many chicks out there watching the show thought if he was hot or not. Funny stuff man.
By sweetposey on May 18, 2009 10:13 PM
What are we all gonna do when this is all over till the next season starts?!? Besides go crazy?
Good question!
By tj on May 18, 2009 9:53 PM
I am so addicted to this show, I think I'm starting to understand what a junkie means when they NEED a fix. I need to have next sunday come sooner than a week from now. Waiting is agony.
Yo tambien!
By presbyopic on May 18, 2009 10:50 PM
I agree with Eddie...Jesse will pull through somehow; they can't kill him off or that would be the end of the show.
I somehow have to agree with this, although he acts dumb as hell sometimes, a lot dumber than he should be. I would like to see the the writers allow him to be a little smarter. I mean c'mon, how could he not know to say "copper" and not "wire" when Walt was trying to teach him about the battery? But yeah, I agree, he's an integral part of the show. I'd have a hard time not seeing him on for season 3.
By RCH2288 on May 18, 2009 9:17 PM
Some memorable roles that Giancarlo Esposito has played.
A small but memorable role as Detective Baer in "The Usual Suspects" he is one of the first guys that helps to unravel the never ending question "Who is Keyser Soze?"
He played the Heroin dealer Esteban in
"Fresh"
And who could ever forget his coke bottle glasses and black power emotion as Buggin Out in "Do the Right Thing"
And now Gustavo Frings the mild mannered Chicken Roaster restaurant owner by day and probably calculating, cold blooded killer drug dealer by night. I have a feeling many will be remembering this recent role for a very long time!
Thanks for that RCH2288.
By tucosgrill on May 18, 2009 6:39 PM
As soon as I saw Giancarlo Esposito in the credits, I knew he would be the drug connection. He is a great actor. We first saw him in "Taps" almost thirty years ago. Since then he has done a little of everything. Very versatile. This show is so well cast and every actor seems perfect for the part they play. Kudos to Bob Odenkirk as Saul. He used to write for SNL and wrote all of Chris Farley's best stuff. He is terrific in "Breaking Bad".
Wow. Great info.
Damn it I think that's enough quotes for today. I just couldn't help myself and got a little carried away there. I blame my OCD. There was still one more I was looking for but just couldn't find it. Oh well.
Somebody needs to make a Breaking Bad forum already.
It's funny that The Usual Suspects came up because I mentioned that last week. It was odd to see Giancarlo Esposito when his part was so fresh in my mind. I was like, "Hey, I just mentioned that movie on the boards the other day!" No one cared but me of course. Still, it was funny to know that I'm so into this show that I would do the same casting that they are doing. His pronunciation of every word looked creepy. Didn't it? I was like, "Ooohhh..." I think he'll really bring a lot more depth to these characters and the Rubik's Cube that is this show.
There is a Breaking Bad forum that some of us have joined that is called Grey Matter. I'll find the link and post it.
A Breaking Bad forum:
http://greymatter.forumotion.net
For anyone that wanted to expand their horizons. I've joined, but my opinion is still out.
I guess I like it here because a few of us were here from season 1 when no one was really paying attention and we just stuck it out... and now we get to say we told ya so :)
It seems like its spreading like wildfire now and its great to see so much enthusiasm whenever I wear my swag (shirt and cap) out.
Quote by laz: I was like, "Hey, I just mentioned that movie on the boards the other day!" No one cared but me of course.
Sorry, young'un...it's been TOO wild, in here this week, to be able to respond...much less keep up & read, all the new posts!
I've been waiting for things to calm down & clear my head, to write my own, more detailed opinions.
However...hopefully, I speak for ALL of us here...
YOU are our "Official Mascot" for Breaking Bad!!!
This forums WOULD NOT, be the SAME without YOU, laz3000!!! =)
"You can't trust a drug addict" -- I'm actually inclined to think that these words are meant to reflect Jesse's trust in Jane rather than Walt's trust in Jesse... Now, once Jane is back on h., she's not the same Jane anymore -- she'll turn back on Jesse, run away from him with Walt's money, and eventually OD, which will break Jesse's heart.
I'm beginning to get convinced Jesse will live through Season 3 :)
The whole blackmail thing combined with possible Jane's death will immediately cause two parties to intervene: Jane's father on one side, and Gus and his boys on the other.
Although I'd love to see the pool scene as the final scene of the very last episode of the series (what a cliffhanger that'd be!), I think it's actually more likely to be the last scene of Season 2: while Sky is gone (recall that her car wasn't in the parkway -- she's still in hospital? got fed up with Walt's lies and left him? flew out of ABQ?), somebody comes to Walt's house in an attempt to kill him and Jesse -- either Jane's father seeking revenge, or Gus' boys "cleaning up" the mess -- and accidentally kills someone mistakenly taken for these two.
Who that might be?
Someone who physically resembles Walt (mid-age and bald) and Jesse? who's got access to Walt's car (Walt's car was all damaged -- is that where the hit was made?)? whose death at Walt's house wouldn't bring DEA's attention to Walt?
How the hazmat uniforms fit in that picture? how the pink monster does?
Los Pollos Hermanos, owned by the biggest drug kingpin in the Land of Enchantment, causes me to rethink how my favorite food chain has grown so quickly. :(
I won't stop eating there, the food is awesome.
Maybe I should stop worrying and have a burrito. Four bucks and some change, several different meat, cheese and veggie options.
I'm a big fan of the Carnitas, with chorizo and eggs a close second.
Damn. I'm hungry.
laz3000 said
I guess I like it here because a few of us were here from season 1 when no one was really paying attention and we just stuck it out... and now we get to say we told ya so :)
It seems like its spreading like wildfire now and its great to see so much enthusiasm whenever I wear my swag (shirt and cap) out.
My thoughts exactly. I love going to this forum after each episode as much as I love this show. I feel like those of us that were watching from the beginning bought in on the Microsoft IPO in 1993. Okay that is a slight exageration but you get my point.
It is a great feeling to know there are others like me that love this show and support in the way they do by spreading the word about it and getting others to watch that haven't seen it. Las season I was the only one at my job that watched it. This year there are now 9 of us. Monday morning we get nothing done for the first two hours because we are talking about this show for that time period.
I feel like Combo, Skinny Pete, and Badger selling on my corner to my co workers to get them hooked and coming back for more
Okay, I admit I'm going a little insane trying to figure out what is going to happen in the season finale ABQ. Consider the following two episode pages, IMDb and MSN TV.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1232248/
http://tv.msn.com/tv/episode/breaking-bad/abq/
The description from the MSN page reads,
Skyler's frustration with Walt's secrecy finally comes to a head; Jesse self-destructs after a personal blow; Donald's grief leads to tragedy.
The IMDb characters list certainly adds weight to the theory the "ABQ" moniker does refer to the airport code,
Brother Eden Douglas ... Air Traffic Controller
Otherwise in that list, we have the usual cast, plus Hank, Gomie, both doctors, Gus, Donald, two new characters (probably small but who knows) Paul and Mike. Paul is played by Daniel D. Halleck; who according to his IMDb information, has not appeared in a role since Days of Our Lives in 1994. However, he's been involved with AA since 1984. That may be telling us something. However, there is no Saul in the final episode.
But holy bananas... Jesse's personal blow? Donald's grief? Goooooooooooodbye Jane, we hardly knew ye.
Damn how do you write in BOLD?! And what other options are available here?
By laz3000 on May 19, 2009 9:33 PM
A Breaking Bad forum:
http://greymatter.forumotion.net
Damn that's dope man. Just signed up. Thanks!
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They're just common HTML tags Bold is just like you have done with your last test just with angle brackets instead of [ square brackets ] Italics with i.
To postulate my guess, the two characters yet to be introduced, Paul and Mike, may be the two bodies in the body bags. They may be henchmen sent to Walt's home when the explosion occurs.
I'm still scratching my head over why the men recovering Walt's personal effects from the pool were wearing haz-mat suits.
Of course there's the possibility that the foreseen explosion doesn't even happen this season, so really I'm playing connect the dots without any numbers or even all the dots.
Jane appears in Episode 13 as well, so even though I'm pretty sure she takes a dirt nap, it won't be next week.
Also... another unknown character shows up in Ep 13; Karen Bernstein played by Juliet Lopez.
There is just far too much story left to be told for me to be satisfied with only two more episodes this year!
Google tells me that there is a surgeon in Albuquerque, NM named Juliet Lopez. Make of that what you will.
Even though there are additional forums for Breaking Bad (and for MadMen for that matter), I always think participation at their official AMC site helps the series. More participation (and volume) here with people dropping by to read the comments, the more it boosts interest, curiosity in the show. Like, gee, alot of people are commenting on this series, etc.
Werner K.: Isn't Karen the principal at Walt's school?
I'm pretty sure the pool scene is from Season 2. Remember that Season 3 was announced to launch in mid-April, already when the current season was on air -- so, I find it highly unlike that the writers would introduce scenes from the season that wasn't even scheduled for production at the time when they were shooting "Over". It's unfortunate, really, as I'd love that scene to be a part of a future season.
I can't possibly imagine how Walt could explain two dead homies in his pool to the police. OK, I'll say it: I suspect one of these bodies might be Hank :( Explaining his death as a hit made by boys from Juarez sounds like a plausible excuse on Walt's part -- on the other hand, both Hank and Walt are bald and of similar age, and can be easily mistaken by Gus' henchmen/Jane's father/whoever comes after Walt and Jesse. Who's in the other bag...? Let's just pray it's not Walter Jr...
I can follow a certain train of thought that leads me to believe it could be Hank, that he survived the shootout with Tuco, he survived the tortoise IED; but falls victim to an explosion when he never expected danger at Walt's house. I'm sure that if this were the case, his death along with another primary BB character, AND Jane; would illustrate the sorts of collateral damage Walt's decision has caused.
Also, we can presume Walt was home by the presence of his glasses and his Aztek parked in the driveway. The evidence crew has taken similar precautions as if they were cleaning up a meth lab crime scene. So, if we are to presume Walt survives the finale, he might have been injured in the blast. (Note the house appears intact.) So puzzled how the explosion would require those hazmat suits, they certainly wouldn't be required for a gas-powered on-demand water heater explosion, or just about any kind of other explosive that could be created to do harm.
Also, the HS principal's name is Carmen.
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Hey I read almost all the comments... Its Interesting reading what you guys have to say... I don't know if anyone will see this because it's been a while since anyone posted anything but this is The Real Combo from the show... Well I'm the actor who plays him... My name is Rodney Rush... This show is Fucking Crazy eh....? I had a blast doing it... Let me know if you have any questions for me. I don't know the outcome or anything but I can tell you all about filming and shit. I'm actually born and raised in Albuquerque... Let me know!
NOWAY! Nice to meet you Rodney man. You had a crazy haircut in the show. Damn it sucks they had you go out like that though getting popped by that little kid and shit. I thought you were gonna have a shootout with those 2 dudes in the car or something. That sucked man, and it really sucked that freaking Walt didn't even know which one of Jesse's boys you were. Anyways congrats on the show man. You did a great job.
I thought you were one of the coolest of Jesse's boys. Hopefully this'll bring you a lot more acting jobs in the future. Peace.
I've been a fan since season one and I can't wait until season two comes out on dvd. The premise of a chemistry teacher making meth to finance his cancer treatment and setting his family up after his demise is genius television. Breaking Bad is fresh and innovative with each new episode. Episode 11 started off with a bang literally, with Jesse's friend and street dealer Kombo getting shot by a young kid on a bike. I knew something was up when that kid came up on Kombo after the two guys in the black car came up mad dogging and drove away. First of all, when it comes to street dealing Jesse should have recruited more street dealers, look outs, and enforcers. It wasn't a wise decision on Jesse's part to have his main lieutenants on the street dealing hand to hand without having someone else to back them up, that's one of the main reasons why Badger got popped. Well Badger wasn't that smart anyway, it was only a matter of time for him to get popped by the police. Walt and Skylar are meeting with Walt's doctor and a specialist. Walt's doctor tells Walt that he needs to have the cancer in his lung removed before it has a chance to spread. The specialist explains the surgery and tells Walt it will cost 200,000 dollars for the procedure. Walt ponders about it for a moment, then tells his doctor he'll have the surgery. The doctors set the date for Walt's surgery two weeks after the birth of his daughter. Jesse explains to Walt about Kombos murder, so Walt sets up a meeting with their lawyer Saul and explains their employee dilemma. Saul asks how much product they have and tells Walt and Jesse he knows a guy who knows a guy that can buy their product in bulk. Saul tells them the buyer is very cautious and that they only have one shot with him.Jesse is feeling guilty about Kombo's murder and Skinny Pete pays Jesses a visit telling him about Kombo's funeral. Skinny Pete tells Jesse everyone knows that Jesse wasn't the one who killed Spooge and also tells Jesse he's out of the dope game. Jesse goes into a state of depression and his girlfriend Jane asks Jesse if he wants to go to a 12 step meeting. Jesse declines saying he is going to smoke some crystal and asks Jane to leave. Jane,a former addict who is 18 months clean, follows Jesse into his room and they begin their journey into oblivion. Walt sits patiently ,the following morning at a mexican fastfood restaurant, waiting for Jesse to show up. Jesee arrives late and under the influence of meth. Jesse is impatient and irritated about their meeting with the unknown buyer and ends up leaving. Walt waits a while but leaves to join Skylar at her sonogram. Jesse arrives at home and wakes up Jane and tells her they should go out and do something. Jane agrees, then immediately turns over to light up a pipe and smoke some crystal. Walt pays Saul a visit and demands to know why the unknown buyer didn't show up and Saul tells Walt the buyer didn't like what he saw. Skyler is going through some paperwork at work and finds dates and financial figures changed. Skylar confronts her boss and he doesn't deny changing the paperwork and he explains he was doing it for his employees welfare. Skylar lets her boss know she doesn't want anything to do with the company and tells her employer she won't say anything to the authorities. A determined Walt goes back to the mexican restaurant to see if can find the unknown buyer. Walts sits and waits all day and evening until it dawns on him that the unknown buyer is the manager. Walt confronts the manager but the manager tells Walt he has no clue what he's talking about. Walt refuses to leave until the manager has a sit down with him. The manager relents and tells Walt that he is careless and a bad judge of character. The manager explains to Walt that Jesse showed up late and high and that you can never trust a junkie. Walt tells the manager not to worry about Jesse and asks the manager if he was familiar with their product. The manager tells Walt that he is but that is was to late to conduct business because of Walt's carelessness. Meanwhile, Jane shows up at Jesse's place with two syringes and some heroine. Jane prepares the heroine and mixes some meth with it. Jesse asks what its like and Jane says its cold and that she'll meet him there. She doses Jesse up and sends him on his way to junkie bliss. The next day Walt returns to the mexican restaurant to look for the manager but he is nowhere to be found. Walt asks an employee and she explains she is the manager and the man Walt is talking about is the owner and has a slew of other restaurants he owns. On his way out the restaurant, a man bumps into Walt and tells him he has an hour to bring all 38 lbs of meth and if he's late to never show his face around there again. In a mad panic, Walt calls Jesse but he doesn't answer, so Walt rushes over to Jesses's. When Walt gets there he bangs on the door but no one answers , so Walt breaks in and wakes Jesse from his drug induced stupor long enough to get Jesse to tell him where the meth is stashed. Walt finds and bags up all 38 lbs and he gets a call from Skylar saying she is in labor. Walt ignores Skylar's call and decides to take the meth to the buyer. The previews for episode 12 show Jane trying to blackmail Walt for Jesse's cut of the drug money. Walt is faced with yet another tough decision. What should Walt do? He is in water with Skylar for missing the birth of their daughter and has two junkies trying to blackmail him for the drug money. I think Jesse has outlived his usefullness and his drug addiction will only get worse. Jane knew what she was doing and she made the decision to use again and she has introduced Jesse to the needle. Jesse is weak, dim, a junkie, and not to be trusted. Walt should eliminate both Jesse and Jane before they blow his cover and get out the dope game before they give him up.
pg1978 said: "Sky is gone (recall that her car wasn't in the parkway -- she's still in hospital? got fed up with Walt's lies and left him? flew out of ABQ?)"
I think you're on to something here. The synopsis from episode 13 says "Skyler's frustration with Walt's secrecy finally comes to a head." Perhaps she finally pack her stuff and leaves Walt because she's finally had enough of his b.s.
However, it's kind of interesting how Skyler finds herself in the middle of two criminal conspiracies: Ted's accounting irregularities and Walt's meth cooking. Maybe Walt will come clean by the end of the season and will tell his wife what he's up to. Perhaps somehow Gus is eliminated from the picture and Skyler ends up being the brains behind a whole new criminal operation. She could arrange for Walt's meth money to be laundered through Beneke Fabricators, giving Ted a cut to save his business. She seems intelligent enough and may have the business acumen that Walt lacks. Perhaps this will be her "Breaking Bad."
The Real Combo Rodney, when you got the script for your scene, were you stunned at how your character was going to be killed? Did you know from the start that your character would be killed? How long did it take to film that scene? Have you acted in other things? Anything specific that you learned from the other actors that helped you in your technique?
What happened to Combo was breathtakingly shocking. I know I had trouble sleeping that night, and I don't think I was alone. You were excellent because NONE of us saw that coming.
Very sorry to see the 3 Musketeers go (Skinny Pete, Badger, Combo). They brought their own flavor of funkiness and charm to the show, and were a hoot to watch! Jesse has no friends left, now.
Congratulations on your success, and being fortunate as an actor to be in such a critically lauded, well written series. I hope this exposure will bring you more roles and success in the future, and that we'll see you soon either on the big or little screen.
Walt needs to sever his ties with Jesse now that he's shooting up and needs to hush Jane up to. Jesse has shown time and time again that he can't take care of business. It looked like Jesse was starting to turn things around but in the dope game there are only losers not winners in the end. Jane spells trouble for Walt now that she is trying to blackmail him. Walt is partially responsible for Jesse's situation and maybe if he didn't treat Jesse like crap, Jesse may have been more productive. I believe Walt's transformation to the darkside is complete and he needs to tie up his loose ends, Jesse and Jane, before things get more out of hand. Walt should get rid of his surplus of meth and get out of the business but that probably won't happen.
Hey, The Real Combo: What's your next gig? Sad to see you go.
Newsflash- do you people know the legal problems an actor from the show would face for posting on a message board for the show? And that can't be the "real Combo", cause he was killed in the last episode, remember? He is in a pearl white casket 6 feet deep. Oh wait, maybe thats his ghost posting! Derrrrrrrrrrrr
Hey guys, this is the real Walt! Or you can call me Heisenberg, Mr. White, Bryan, Hal, or Dr. Whatley. Was just checking out your posts, and, boy, are they creative. You guys must stay up all night thinking this stuff up! Anywho, if anyone wants to know whats going to happen from now till the end of the show, just send me an E-mail. My address is TherealWalt@youareallfish.com. Can't wait to hear from you all. Oh, and P.S., send me ideas for the show, and I guarantee to give them to Vince and Mark. Ciao.
What, no guy-who-lived-next-door-to-Doug-Hefrenen-and-built-a-too-high-pool?
Dear the real "Walt",
Hal, if you think you're funny you've got another thing coming, Mister! Put a sock in it & get your butt home or you're gonna be sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lois
The main reason I post on other forums as opposed to here is this is too hard to read, you can't edit, and you can't delete or quote or anything. We need a proper forum AMC!
Though it is nice to see so many comments on episodes now, everyone seems to have more then the last.
i dont know guys but i think Jane is a Narc that wants to get Jesse's money, because when she shot up jessie, i looked at the background and she was just lying there, i think she wants to get all jesse's money, at first i thought she was a nice gurl. but now she is a freekinnnn trip in my book, hey guys leave comments on my profile.peace.
Jane is def. using Jesse, but I doubt she's a narc.
I leave to feed cattle and we are already up to 341 Wed. That's crazy!! Over 600 by showtime? Oh yeah!!
Couple of quick comments: The real Combo & Walt! Actors I'm sure aren't sitting around reading these posts. So--------------see ya boys!!
Aaron Paul is signed for season 3. So all of you that are wishing him dead...............ain't gonna happen this season. And besides the main storyline in the show is Walt & Jesse's relationship. Once that is dissolved, the show will soon follow. Hank too, he has to stay. The Dark Comedy comes from Jesse & Hank, they go, the dark Comedy goes.
Jane isn't a narc. She is a wounded person much like Jesse. But she is definately bad news for our boy Jess. She does have a badass streak I must say.
Again none of the main cast will be in the body bags. Come on guys. To much to explore with each character.
The cast of BB was awarded a Peabody monday. How cool is that!!
By mikebiff2325 on May 20, 2009 8:46 AM
Newsflash- do you people know the legal problems an actor from the show would face for posting on a message board for the show? And that can't be the "real Combo", cause he was killed in the last episode, remember? He is in a pearl white casket 6 feet deep. Oh wait, maybe thats his ghost posting! Derrrrrrrrrrrr
Damn so that's not the real combo? Lol.
By Lparsons7981 on May 20, 2009 9:38 AM
The main reason I post on other forums as opposed to here is this is too hard to read, you can't edit, and you can't delete or quote or anything. We need a proper forum AMC!
My thoughts EXACTLY. But until AMC gets around to it you could try this one that laz3000 told me about: http://greymatter.forumotion.net
I don't know about anybody else, but I find that "grey matter" forum kind of confusing to use and to navigate around in. I like this one much better.
Hey, Real Combo, if that's really you, I just wanna say you were great on the show, and very believable. I wish you would have had more screen time like Badger and Skinny Pete, who were also great.
While it could obviously be a fake, it wouldn't surprise me if Rodney Rush actually did post here. Remember several weeks ago, Paula, who played the transsexual that Badger sold meth to, posted here a few times as well.
laz-I actually did think of what you said about The Usual Suspects when I saw Giancarlo Esposito on the show! Maybe we'll see somebody from Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs next (two of my favorite movies)! :)
Werner K-Wow, I love what that preview says about Donald's grief leading to tragedy! That definitely sounds like Jane is gonna die! But what tragedy is his grief gonna lead to? Is he going to be responsible for the people in the body bags???
pg1978-I actually thought the same thing that you did, the fact that season three wasn't announced until well after this whole season was already filmed and airing on AMC. So the pink stuffed animal and body bags MUST have something to do with the end of this season. At least I hope so anyway...
The Real Combo....is this really you? I hope so : ) Plesae don't tease us if you're not him.
People, people.... There are NO actors from the show posting on this website message board. No Walt, no Combo, and if there was someone posting as Paula, it wasn't her. Actors on the show could be sued for MILLIONS for posting on a board like this. There are very specific confidentiality clauses in their contracts where the actors would be in big trouble for that. And just because Aaron Paul is signed for season 3 doesn't mean that Jesse wont be killed off. Jesse could be killed in the next episode, but he could be in certain scenes next year, like dream sequences or Walts memories, although the actual character is dead.
The Real Combo....is this really you? I hope so : ) Plesae don't tease us if you're not him.
The Real Combo....is this really you? I hope so : ) Plesae don't tease us if you're not him.
mikebiff-I don't see how the actors could get in trouble just for posting here, as long as they don't give any spoilers or anything. Especially actors that aren't on the show anymore, like Combo.
Come on mikebiff2325, how can an actor possibly be sued by going to a website and making posts? And if they did, how would anybody find proof that it was indeed the real actor who made said posts? They can just simply deny making them, but maybe in your world they'd bust down his door and tear apart his hard drive.
Hey Slygirl08! I read the very touching story you wrote about your husband. You have my condolences, and I hope things have turned towards the good for you!
LOL bigfreakinnaz!
Thanks so much bigfreakinnaz. It was the darkest day of my life. You never expect something like that to happen to you and don't know how you'll ever survive it. Somehow, someway you do though. It will always haunt me and a prt of my heart definitely died that day. But, I've tried to learn from it. To know how precious life and love are and not take anything for granted. I know if i can survive that, i can survive anything. I have a greater appreciation for the pople I hold dear in my life now as I know in the blink of an eye they can be taken away from me. I just try to be the best person I can be and let my family and friends know how much I care about them, I wish Walt would see what's truly important. It's not his money, it's his time and love that his family needs most.
Actors need permission to talk about the show in any public forum, whether its on T.V. or the internet. Then why dont the real actors post and give hints about what will happen? They would never get caught, cause they could just say it wasn't them. But if you want to believe that was Combo, go right ahead. Sorry to interrupt, you guys can now go back to dreaming up ridiculous plot twists and turns. Combo will let you know who is right.
If actors did indeed post comments on forums such as this one giving away spoilers as to what's gonna happen, don't you think it would be against their best interest to do so? Say if an individual knew what would happen on an upcoming episode, they won't watch it, therefore they won't see the actor or actress do their performance or the sponsor's commercials, who pay AMC to broadcast the show. No sponsor money to AMC means no paycheck for an actor or actress. The main reason that actors and actresses probably don't go online or other places and talk about their show (except for syndicated talk broadcasts where they get paid to do so) is so they don't get socked by a bunch of people's stupid questions.
Oh, and I don't believe that was Combo - I'm not that stupid.
Sorry to disillusion y'all, but in several media interviews (written and broadcast), the actors from MadMen would refer to reading the AMC forum and knowing what the public was saying about their characters or what had happened to them. So, they do read the forum and our comments - that I do know.
Yes, I'm sure you're right as far as the actors' contractual obligations to not reveal plot lines or their own character's story arc, but I don't think AMC or the producers would police them in the privacy of their own home to prevent them from participating on a website under a pseudonym or even their own name if they chose. Free speech, contract or not. Otherwise that'd be a little too Orwellian, don't you think?
So if Combo is killed off, what would stop him from talking about anything else he might know about where the show is going (things he has seen or heard)? I'm pretty sure his paycheck looks a lot different now that he was killed off.
bfn Your logic is probably more accurate for why the actors don't participate in writing on a forum. They're already living it 24/7 by being in the production so why write about it - it'd be more work. But also, human nature - too tempting to steer the discussion in a specific direction to reveal something about the storyline without actually writing it themselves.
But, Combo was a very small temporary supporting role, and the actor who played him was local. This might have been one of his first major acting gigs. I could see him getting on-line and wanting to talk about it, even though he can't say anything about the storyline details - which I'm pretty sure he knows nothing about anyway. He was a minor character and there would've been no need for him to know anything about the rest of the story other than his immediate scene, so he wouldn't have been privy to that information anyway. He's as much in the dark about where it's going to go as we are.
Ive been accused of being a very gullible girl at times, but I hope it really is Combo!
Real Combo, is there any way you could prove your identity to us???
It's like any job, you don't shit where you eat. He's not going to screw up with AMC or the producers by doing something like that. He wants a good reference doesn't he for future auditions?
Personally, for someone to go to all this trouble to log on for a minor, minor supporting character whose screen time and dialog doesn't even add up to 30 minutes would seem pretty diabolical and weird. We're not talking about a lead character, second lead support character or even a pivotal plot twist character. But if you think someone would go to all that trouble or screw themselves over in the acting profession now that they're off the show, well, I guess you do think someone would go to all that trouble.
I hope it's him too, Slygirl. :)
Thanks James : ) It would be too fun to talk to a true BB insider!
I bet
The Real Combo
is having a good laugh at all the speculation going on in here as to whether it's really him or not. LOL.Filming has been wrapped for a while now. I took it that the actor who played Combo, Rodney Rush, was excited about his experience and his character. Once this episode aired, he was very willing to talk about his character, what it was like filming, and the scenes he was in.
He was probably called in for a couple of days work for the few scenes he was in. They shot them, and he was sent home. End of story. He doesn't know anymore than we do.
If it was him (and I think it was), and he's violated some contract, believe me, he will hear from AMC, and we'll never see that moniker on the board again.
I don't think The Real Combo Rodney Rush meant any harm - just think he was very pumped about his experience and character, and wanted to talk about it. Like I say, alot of trouble to go to over a small character role.
You're welcome, Slygirl. ;)
If that really was Rodney Rush, he probably didn't expect to cause this much commotion by posting here, lol. I wanna say again that I liked the character of Combo and wished he had gotten more screen time. If he was a local Albuquerque actor, then he did an amazing job in his first big gig!
slygirl: I'm curious. If you could sit down with a BB star, who would you choose to spend quality time with.
Me, I would like to spend some time with Dean. Maybe play a round of golf, and drink some cold ones.
I would hang out with Aaron Paul. He seems cool.
James26: Aaron would be cool to hang with. Everyone who has worked with him says he is sooo nice. If you golf, maybe a foursome. LOL
LOL! I don't golf, but I could learn! :P
noah: Oh, the answer is obvious -- I'd give 5 years of my life away to be able to hang out with Krysten Ritter, lol
But, seriously, from all the interviews, podcasts etc. RJ Mitte appeals to me the most -- it might be also that his character is really the only one without a dark side... but he just seems to be a genuinely nice, lovable person. Since I live in SoCal, I hope one day I'll have a chance to come across him on a street, and perhaps shake his hand -- that'd be an honor.
LOL. You guys are funny man.
JANE'S HEROIN No one has brought this up specifically, but it's a plot detail that is bothering me.
When Jane offered to shoot up Jesse, she went to get heroin from her apartment, if I'm understanding the sequence of events correctly.
Why did Jane have any drugs in her possession in the first place? I thought she was 18 months clean. So what was Jane doing, holding onto any drugs? Or needles? Isn't what she gave Jesse heroin and meth? Is that a speedball? Or did she also have cocaine, too, to mix with the heroin?
If she had heroin, it already infers that Jane was either on the verge of relapsing or had already relapsed before she shot up Jesse. Any insight?
LOL. You guys are funny man.