i'm new to the show but what does the element table br and ba have to do with meth

Walt is gonna have to help Jesse out with cash to get the RV back on the road first of all. All their meth making stuff is in there (most likely with both of their prints all over everything)! He may also give him enough to buy a cheap car somewhere so he can get around after parking the RV in a safe place, and of course to get some food and a hotel room.

But Walt is gonna make him earn it, and he'll expect to be paid back whatever amount he loans him, but the bottom line is that Walt needs Jesse. I seem to think that little run-in with Tuco and the experience out at Tio's place most likely blew Jesse's head to the point where all he wants to do is help Walt with a few more batches of meth, pay him back, make a few bucks for himself, then tell Walt "See ya!!" Well, we all know THAT'S not gonna happen now, is it?

well how long do you think it will take hank to figure out that walt and jesse are working together. a real dea agent would have already figured it out.

bigfreakinnaz: No, it ain't gonna happen. Walt will keep Jesse in bondage with blackmail or whatever, just as he did the first time to get in the meth business with Jesse.

Age and treachery over youth!

Walt's got it over Jesse big time, and a DEA brother-in-law, his cancer and a reputation as a law-abiding citizen to give him credibility over anything Capn Cook may say about him.

Hmmmm, I don't know jamm54. I don't think Jesse's lifelong ambition is to cook meth with his 50 year old former chemistry teacher, and deep down he wants to also save whatever credibility he has left with his parents, if it's not too late. I believe all those events like that acid in the bathtub, the killings of the bad guys, and the brush he just had with the law took a big toll on him. He got way more than he bargained for and never expected to get in so deep over his head, and now Walt's gonna expect him shrug it all off and go back to business like nothing ever happened?

Contrary to what you might think, Jesse could very easily tell Walt "Go to hell - cook your own meth and peddle it yourself" He may not be the brightest star in the sky, but he DOES know that if Walt would try to blackmail him by threatening to turn him in, he could bring Walt down with him without any problem whatsoever, DEA brother-in-law or not. All he'd do is tell them to look for Walt's fingerprints that could be found all over everything. Walt probably realizes all this too, but of course keep it all to himself.

bigfreakinnaz: I still think Jesse is hamstrung by the teacher/student thing with Walt. That former relationship is starting to evaporate slowly (if he ever calls Walt, Walt rather than Mr. White that will signify Jesse looks at Walt as his equal rather than above him).

The previews for next week show Jesse really challenging/resisting Walt's authority (I think). But would Jesse really be up for the ultimate challenge/dare with Walt by ratting him out and taking Walt down with him? Boy, I don't know. I don't see it at the moment, but Jesse is changing. If Jesse wants to get out, he's really going to have to fight Walt to do it.

No car, no house and no money. What's a boy to do?
Turn to Mom?
Mom felt bad tossing him out and then concerned when Hank showed up. Mom radar is rolling on the danger so she'll surely do what she can to help him ( Moms can fight it but they never win in the end) when and if she comes to see whats really going on with him

It may have seemed worth it at first but judging by his behavior its clearly not so worth it to Jesse ( he was pretty clear on which one should die in pe 3) anymore.

He looked for a way out several times before ... thats not gonna change anytime soon.

If Jesse he reconnects with his family or manages to build other bonds and relationships -- *wink wink* -- where he matters to others as they matter to him he will be begin fighting the Walts downfall tides harder and harder.

The desire already there it won't take much for Jesse to either demand more form his relationship with Walt or outright bolt.

Let's face it. Jesse isn't going anywhere. As part of the show, he is just as big a character as Walt is. He will be here to the end (crossing my fingers). Walt has become a father figure to him, but Jesse has "grown a pair" and may want to be equals. How could he not? He was here before Walt and has no other avenue of opportunity. He wants to appear successful to his parents and stand as a man on his own two. I think his mom will help him in her own way. Personally, I think his dad would turn him in.

We'll see soon.

Am I missing something? I get the no money, no car thing, but why are you saying no house? His house hasn't been foreclosed on or ceased by the cops as far as we know. He was released from jail and he can go back now. You are right, his car is gone and his money is gone, but what are you talking about with the house? I watch ever episode at least twice. Is the house gone? What am I missing, damnit, haha.

As far as the money, he was dumb to bring it in the car with him and then Tuco took him at gunpoint. He should have hid some in different places with $60K+ in cash. The previews show him asking Walt for his half but he screwed up, he doesn't deserve half. Whether I (as Walt) would help him or not is entirely a different story, but he is not entitled to half of what Walt still has. Sucks for Jesse.

As far as the car, if it isn't released from evidence/impound it should be covered as a loss by insurance. He'll get some money for that.

But he has some other problems coming, with the preview showing his mom saying she found his "lab."

But the house? What am I missing?

Technically, yes, he does still have the house. But when the police find probable cause, they can seize his assets and frankly, the house is as good as gone right now. Also, if he's there hanging around, they'll keep it (and him!) under surveillance, but if he finds a different place to stay...he can watch them!

That's why he took apart the lab and tried to hide it.

I'm hoping this development will be the impetus to explain how he got the house in the first place. I'd sure love to hear it!

Let's face it, Jesse is not your average punk drug user/dealer. He lives in relatively pristine surroundings. He did a decent job of flying under the radar, but that has changed.

I hope that explains it Skottey. I'm willing to bet that Jesse also will just let the car go and not mess with the insurance. He doesn't want anyone to look at him too closely.

For better or for worse, Walt and Jesse are stuck with each other. Jesse still has some misguided respect for Walt and it will take some doing for that to ever completely disappear. Personally, I hope it doesn't.

Did Jesse own the house? Even though it was up for sale, for some reason I thought he was a renter. As a renter, though, I didn't know how he was going to explain the hole where the bathtub once was, which by the way, brings up another scary thought. If the police ever get in the house and see that, well, I can't believe there aren't going to suppositions or questions about what would cause it, etc.

Wasn't Jesse's car pretty much toast after the shootout with Tuco? Didn't seem like there'd be much left to retrieve.

Jesse straddles that line of juvenile flaunting (the flashy vintage car with the Capn Cook plates advertising for all to see; carrying around his whole stash of cash rather than secreting it away) and realizing he needs to be lowkey or invisible. Maybe he'll take a cue from Walt, and start trying to blend into the background. Although it's probably too late because he's been tied to Tuco (via the car) and will most likely be under DEA surveillance from now on. Hank's got the burr under his saddle and ain't going to let it go - he's connecting the dots.

Well, we know that his aunt died of cancer and it was her house. I think it is safe to say he was kicked out of his parent's house and took shelter at his aunt's house. So he took up residency there, maybe even cared for his dying aunt, since he knew an awful lot about cancer and confronted Walt, he knew so much. Having that said, the question is, does he actually own it, as in he inherited it and he owns it outright? Do a bunch of family members own it and let him live there, and now they are selling? I mean, seriously, why would he willfully put it up for sale knowing the situation with the hole in the bathtub? I could see his family or aunt's trust administrator living far away listing it with a Realtor. They know Jessee lives there but wouldn't know what he is doing there (disposing of bodies). So they called from NYC let's say and hired a Realtor to sell it. Jesse had some say in staying out of the basement with the open house but not enough to cancel the whole Open House. I don't think if he owned it outright he would list it before fixing the bathroom situation. So, having that said, if he doesn't actually own it, they cannot cease it. If I let me brother stay in my house in Dallas for example and he was selling crack and hand guns out of it, I don't think they can cease it. I am not the criminal and am not aware. There are a lot of indoor pot houses in Florida, it is all the rage. But the smart ones go rent a house and grow there. On the outside it looks like a normal house but indoors it is a pot factory. They don't cease these homes. That isn't to say they can't take the property of the grower. If they think that you bought the Lexus with drug money they will take it, sure, but not the house owned by the person you are renting from.

I don't think they are going to be watching that house too much. I think they were just outside it looking for Jesse. Now that they have "cleared" him, they have no reason to watch the house. Hank's partner/boss (the Hispanic guy) said he thinks Jesse is small time, which is basically what I said a few weeks ago, that they'd think he is a wannabe small time player. Hank may suspect him. Why was Hank watching the video of Jesse and Walt stealing the barrel again just before his party? Do you think he was reading the body language of Jesse and thinks it is the same guy? Jesse does have a certain swagger to him. He said Crazy8 and Tuco, it is all connected but he cannot figure out how. Maybe he is suspecting Walt too from the video. Did walt stop and put his hand up to his mouth and cough while rolling the barrel out?

So many unanswered questions. So much fun. Such a great show. I love it.

You guys are driving me crazy talking about "cease" when you mean "seize". It doesn't matter who owns a house, if someone is distributing narcotics from any property, the federal government can seize it. That's the law and that's just the way it is.

I think what's driving Hank crazy is the quality chemistry cooking going on (i.e. the crystal samples he's got) and the chemical burglary and not being able to make sense of the conflicting scenerios. Someone who's a top quality chemist/bungling burglar? Hank can't figure out who would fit those two points. I think Hank feels he knows the answer - can't put it together.

I just saw ep. 4 and I think it's really chicken s--t of Walt to treat Jesse so badly, he needs to give him more money. I'm glad he finally coughed up some more cash at the end of the ep. I knew that Jesse could not really hurt Walt, he is like a father figure to Jess and also in some demented way, Jesse is like Walt's pet project...it's a sad situation all the way around. Anyway you look at it, things will come to a tragic end, it always does when you mess with the DARK SIDE...it's fascinating television though. Bryan C. really deserved his Emmy, and the writing is excellent, BRAVO AMC!!

laz3000-

you are right. this is one of those feel like a complete idiot moments and it is forever saved in the form of a message board. I totally did say "ceased" instead of "seized." I know it is seized and I kept thinking I was saying something wrong but couldn't place it. Maybe it was my Sunday morning hangover. Oh well. I have to turn the idiot off now, as it is Monday morning and I have work to do. Thanks for pointing out how much of a twathammer I really am!

laz3000 said "It doesn't matter who owns a house, if someone is distributing narcotics from any property, the federal government can seize it. That's the law and that's just the way it is."

While this might be true and might be the reason a good lease addresses drugs and distribution, I'll bet any attorney worth their weight in salt would prove the landlord/owner didn't know about the grow room or meth lab and get the house back if a rental was "seized." Having that said, nobody wants to fight with the DEA or any other division of Government. It is an uphill battle but eventually they would get their house back if they were unknowing.

DrKellogg-

I have to ask. How did you know Jesse was really going to lose the house? Your triple whammy post would have made a lot more sense if it was posted after the airing of episode 4. Did you see it early? I never thought for a second that he would really lose the house now but was right on about him taking care of the aunt and having only partial control of the estate. "50-50, like we said." But I didn't realize it was his own mother that would push him out. Sneaky of her to take pictures of the lab to use against him. My mom used to lie to the cops for me as a teen but never saved herself a piece of evidence to hold over my head and threaten me with. I get the sense that Jesse's mom is worn out and has been dealing with his behavior and drug problems for a long time. I also get the sense that Jesse would like to turn things around for himself, but it is almost too late. Everyone around him expects him to be his old self and fail. Even Walt assumed he smoked up the $600 and doesn't see the depth of Jesse's problems beyond being just a junkie kid.

Skottey> I didn't know ahead of time. In fact, I've heard the scuttlebutt about future episodes and I intentionally don't watch them because I want to have the same information as everyone else. However, based on my observations of how the characters have behaved in the past, I can make some pretty good guesses.

Last season there was some speculation about Jesse's age and I think the fact that he didn't have more of an interest in the house (it wasn't his outright), shows that he's still very young, but has lived a life far beyond his actual years.

You and others are making some really good points, too. Jesse's parents are protecting themselves by throwing him out. If he had been allowed to remain, no doubt the house would eventually have been seized, but since Jesse's not living there, the criminal activity stops and they get to continue ownership.

One has to feel sorry for Jesse, what with his total world crashing down on him, all in one day nonetheless! Hell, he even has his motorcycle stolen from him right under his nose at that store! But on the other hand, he brought it all upon himself with the life he chose to lead. He probably felt all smug and proud that he had what he thought a really cool thing going on. After all, how many guys have (or should I say "had") a nice, fully furnished house to kick back in (with a big, fully equiped basement for cooking meth), a classic lowrider car he did up himself, a motorcycle, and pretty decent stash of money. He was probably doing okay with the small time dealing, but saw the opportunity to get even more when Walt entered the picture with his scheme. Greed will be a person's downfall every time. If you don't believe that, go ask an AIG executive or Bernie Madoff......