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How badly has Walt broken? Will Jesse follow Walt's lead or reform himself? And don't forget Hank -- will he join Walt and Jesse's operation? These were some of the questions on viewers' minds this week.

• "I would say that Walt is already so deep into the dark side that he's going to have to become Mother Teresa to get out... Didn't Walt morally leave decency behind the moment he started cooking meth?" -- tweeders1

• "Walt... has found this new freedom of independence from Skyler and in a sense, likes it. This freedom makes him feel alive again, a sense of empowerment that he probably never had in his lifetime." -- Lindas555

• "How do you figure Walt's gone completely to the dark side? He chose to get Jesse himself in the drug den, and held him in his arms when he broke down. Yes he watched Jane choke in her own vomit but weeped during. He had no choice." -- maddy25

• "Jesse is the axle of the show's future story line. I fear that Jesse will get clean and Walt will drag him back into drug use. Walt doesn't use, but having Jesse around meth all the time will mean that, sooner or later, Jesse will crawl back into that pipe." -- sweetposey

• "More and more Walt has become the less sympathetic character. I am rooting for Jesse to overcome his addiction, see Walt for what he has become, reunite with his family and make peace with what happened with Jane." -- bikebird

• "Several clues suggest Hank will join Walt and Jesse and become an integral part of their operation... My guess is that Hank's metamorphosis from law man to drug dealer will be the primary focus of season three." -- BreakBad10

• "I love Hank's character, I don't want him to become a drug dealer. Hank 's exterior is tough and no nonsense, but as the storyline progresses, he's emerging as a John Goodman 'Teddy Bear.'" -- rosejones

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Hank join Walt and Jesse in their Meth cooking crime syndicate? You're kidding right? There is no way this could happen. Hank is just to straight laced for that. He might tell the occasional off color joke and clown around, but Hank is all about Law and Order and the American way. Hank is a Law Enforcement career man, a Lifer.

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I have'nt looked forward to show like this since the Sapranos. Fantastic job from the writers to the actors. Keep it going

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Walt is so "badly broken" that he will begin using his own drugs and the downward spiral will accellerate exponentially.

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I think Walt slowly become Heisenberg and I think he likes it way too much to turn back! I think his and Skylar's relationship is a lost cause anyways, so he might as well keep on this path.

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Walt is far too intelligent and sensitive to simply go on becoming Heisenberg... he's been brought up short by three events in the second series. The death of "Apology Girl" the complete collapse of his (stupid ... sic?) partner Jesse and the split in his relationship with Skylar...
All of these must work on Walt to force him to re-ground himself and review the question of "What next..." with even more finely-tuned consideration. Certainly we can expect he will want a way out of all the "lies upon lies upon lies..." I think the big surprise in Season 3 could be Walt's choice to get out of the whole thing but the presaging joke that Hank made in reference to the "mother of all mafia" movies "The Godfather" -- "Just when I thought I was out of it all... they dragged me back into it!" shows there will be resistance from all the other characters.
So the upshot is I think you get the most "bang for your buck" in the plot, if you make the new source of dramatic tension, the conflict beween Walt wanting to get out and all the other characters dragging him back into it, that is, forcing him to realize it will be a lot harder to stop cooking Meth than it was to start.

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How badly has Walt broken?

He is broken pretty "Bad". He has disassociated himself with his;

friends- Elliot & Gretchen.

family- Walt Jr., Skylar and Hollie somewhat. Too early to tell on her.

He let Jane die, for nothing but a PIA factor. He choked Krazy-8 to death. He had a rather cavalier attitude about the death of Combo.

He knows what his product does to people, yet continues to manufacture it.


Will Jesse follow Walt's lead or reform himself?

I feel that Jesse is going to reform himself. He showed a lot of heart this season.

He was screwing up from the first day, but he was more or less forced into his partnership with Walt.
Repeatly he has displayed a concern for others.

I think he is going to blame himself for Jane's death, not realizing that it could of been prevented.
If the writers let that cat out of the bag that should be real interesting ;)

I think Jesse is smart enough to know that Walt is nothing but trouble and he will try and distance himself from Walt. No matter how much Walt trys to Dad on him.


And don't forget Hank -- will he join Walt and Jesse's operation?

No, I don't think so. If Hank had wanted to bend the law and do something illegal, he would have already had the chance way before Walt joined in the biz. He could of grab money or drugs from the other busts he had made. But then again, maybe he had ;)

If Hank was to join in, it wouldn't be Hank blackmailing Walt, it would be Walt blackmailing Hank, just like he did to Jesse. Saying something like he's been in on it from day one. The janitor's arrest was Hank's idea to get the heat off Walt.... with a couple of etc. to follow

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Here's a question for you Clayton ;)


If Tuco had been sucessful in shooting Hank. Let's say Hank still killed Tuco, but Hank got shot in the liver or somewhere vital.

Would Walt had render aid ?? or would he still had fled the scene ;)

I say he would of left his brother in law for dead. That's how "Badly" he's broken.

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Zia, I like it, turn it around on them. That is one low down brother in law, Walt stands by while Hank bleeds out, whoa. Ok Clayton, now whats the answer to Zia's Query?

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Teach them to give me a shirt when I wanted a hat ...lol

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Hey, let's remember Walt is the primary character: he will remain "Bad," but conflicted, i.e., will have his good points. I'm guessing his next challenge will involve Walt, Jr., who will either figure out what Dad is up to, or become one of his victims, either as a user or dealer.

As for Hank, if he ever figures out Walt is Heisenburg, Walt will surely blackmail him with his wife's shoplifting. I don't think Hank will join Walt and Jesse: that's too much.

However, I do expect other characters to become (or be revealed to be) flawed, i.e., "Breaking Bad."

One final thought: Who was on the King Air? Could it have been a successful regional businessman - like someone in the chicken fast food business maybe? ;

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No, if Hank (or I should say when Hank) finds out that Walt is Heisenberg, Walt would never blackmail him with Hank's wife's shopliffting habit, the two evils do not compare. If she even was prosecuted, the fact she is married to Hank, they would just slap her on the wrist.
No, when Hank finally does find out, Walt is going to bribe him with a whole lot of money, which will give Hank a major crisis in deciding Walt's fate. Ultimately, I think because of this, Hank will probably end up going the way of corruption and hating himself for it.

Also, in regards to your last comment, if there was anyone significant onboard one of the planes that collided, it would probably be Gretchen, which will cause Walt a world of pain when he realizes he was a part of this awful chain reaction of events. She would be the only one that would be most likely to be on a plane without Walt already knowing about it.

Zia - Yes, I also think that Walt would have ended up walking away if Hank was shot. Though, if I hadn't seen the last couple of episodes of season 2, I would not ever have thought him capable to do that.

Question, what do you guys think will happen to Jessie? Myself, I think that he is going to try to turn his life around and it will backfire on him. I think he is going to give away all his money to try and rid his guilt and go to church. I think ultimately, he is going to get drawn back in though, something will happen that will cause him to need a lot of money. I also think he is going to end up meeting another girl who will like him and try and save him from himself.

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I also think that when Hank does find out, it may be because of Jessie trying to turn his life around from the guilt. Jessie may go to Hank himself, which will open a whole new can of worms.

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...This could also be were things backfire for Jessie. Hank might threaten Jessie after he takes sides with Walt. Hank could easily force Jessie back into the manufacturing business, seeing that Hank could easily frame Jessie and they would take his word over Jessie. Jessie would still be essential as he is the one who has all the connections when it comes to obtaining the various chemicals and cooking supplies. Hank would definately be willing to have someone else do the dirty work.

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Hank joining Walt and Jessie.....no way! I think he already suspects Walt ! Jessie may want
out, rehab may work...Walt can run the business
without him now..he has no worthwhile connections.
Walt likes the power and wants credit for the money
he makes. As far as Jane, she had to go, Walt saw she was worse for Jessie than he is to himself!

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Zia, my opinion (and this is just my opinion, not AMC's. I have no idea what Vince would say) is that Walt would have to run away from an injured Hank nonetheless. With Walt I think it's always a question of self-preservation -- no matter what.

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How bad is Walt broken?
Well, it had been constantly progressing from the start. I think that Walt past the point of no return when he had to kill Crazy 8. What finished him off though, was when he watched Jane die and did nothing. He has now officially broke bad 100% and can not go back, even though in Season 3, I think he will try very hard to go back. Sorry Walt, your a dead man; say hello to Heisenberg when you look in the mirror.

Will Jessie follow his lead?
He already has. The irony is, that Jessie was the bad guy and Walt was the good guy. But now, Walt makes Jessie look like a saint! No, I don't think Jessie will follow Walt's lead. He may start out in Season 3 as a broken spirit looking for redemption, but can't find it. I think something will happen to Jessie before he turns around again and follows Walt's lead. But at first, I think that Walt and Jessie are going to try and find forgiveness at the start of Season 3.

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Clayton...you just said the key word for Walt...." Self preservation" and that says it all in a nutshell. No matter what Walt does now at this point in the series..the "self preservation" mode will always kick in for him at any cost. I get the sense from Walt after sooo many years of taking * *it from everyone around him, whether at work, the carwash, his wife, his arrogant brother-in-law teasing him about his manhood, Walt has rebelled and is fighting back...taking back his life and doing things for Walt only....he loves this new found confidence in himself and refuses to go back to the meek, brow beaten man we saw in the beginning of Season #1. I believe the audience will see a change in Walt's style of dress, his goatee, shaven head, and more confident attitude of dealing with the world....he's not going to stand by and be beaten down again, ie...... "self preservation" mode.

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Thanks for your opinion Clayton ;)

I think that maybe earlier in the season I think that Walt would of helped, but no longer.

Yeah, self preservation.. at all cost

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Zia and all you other's, I can't believe that I freekin won!!!! Congrats to me and everyone else who got Clayton's emails. Its very nice to know that the folks at AMC are actually reading these posts. I am flattered beyond what english can describe. Hot FREAKIN DAMN!!! I'm at the top of the list too! HTFD again I say. I feel like I won an OSCAR for writing. And I should! I knew that going to see Bette Midler in Vegas would pay off. Afterall I got a job in my middle age for an excellent company. But this I never expected. A recognition in writing good posts for a really exemplary good show. Can you all tell I'm kissin up! YAWHAHOOOIEEE!!!
Its summertime here. Shit beyond summertime. Its the first time since 1998 that the actual temp as opposed to the heat index actually hit 90 degrees. We'll not to bore you all with my exceptionally well done posts, if you don't like them, all I can say is FU and the nearest right wing repubs you affiliate with, rode on top of, sucked and is voting for teachers to not get better pay. Burn books, TV programs, NPR, Healthcare and going for sending more kids and adults overseas cause you want to bomb and straighten them to our US ways. FU! Write dagnabbit! Make your concerns known through true art! This show is ART to the nth degree. This show proves that ART aint dead.
ART'S just been nappin for a little bit. Very sincerely,
TWEEDS

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Tweeders...congrats to you and evidently from the sounds of things, your life is turning around for you!

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Here's another thought....what IF Walt leaves Hank to die, leaves the scene BUT, the small percentage of odds that someone came by and saw Hank, takes him to get medical help and SURVIVES...now what??......what do you suppose Hank will think and do now, knowing what Walt did to him???????????? That might be reeeeeally interesting to see just what Vince would do with that scenario!

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Oh, Walt.....You are such a baaaaaaaaaad boy!

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Will Hank Join Jessie and Walt?
I think he WILL find out, but will not join them. He will struggle within himself at the knowledge of who the real Heisenberg is, but will ultimately not turn Walt in or give his secret away. I believe that, Hank will however, require Walt to help bring in Gus.
I also think, that Hank will loose his job when he tries to cover for Hank and his second in command will start to realize what is going on.

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Will Hank Join Jessie and Walt? (Part 2)

Crazy possible scenario:

Hank actually catches one of Gus's distributors who in turn eventually gives up Gus. During a little interrogation, Gus will let Hank know that Mr. White is actually a high level dope dealer. Hank will crack under the pressure. He will be forced to cover for Gus and let him go, which will cost Hank his job. He will then in turn, deal with Walt on his own terms. Being such a straight shooter, Hank may not take a bribe. Gus, will also now have leverage to keep Walt in the kitchen and provide good customer discounts. Hank will remain conflicted and suffers through this, he will also have power of Walt. Walt will be stuck in the middle of Gus and Hank's demands.

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I still can't get that last episode out of my mind. Just the face of Jane's father, and the sky raining down books, shoes, body parts. And to just END that way. I was speechless.
Anna Gunn really deserves some special recognition. I am not a fan of Skyler but when she told Walt to leave, and the bone chilling way she did it, WOW. What a scene and what an actress.

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Will Hank Join the operation?
Heck no! Hank is a straight shooter all the way! He will however find out who Walt really is and may loose his job trying to cover for Walt.

How much is Walt broken?
You can tell by how often Heisenberg comes out in his family time, such as the barbeque where Walt gets into it with Hank over the alcohol. Walt is broken and Heisenberg is obsorbing his soul more each episode. I think he will try and find Walt again this season though, I don't think he will be successfull though.

I don't think Jessie will follow Walt's lead at least in the first few episodes, as he is damaged. He will probably try to hurt and maybe even try to kill himself, but will want nothing to do with Walt. I think after some dramatic events, like losing his money, he will eventually come back to Walt though.

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In Season 3, I think that Hank will slowly, figure out who Walt is. By the time he realizes exactly who Walt really is, it will hit him like a ton of bricks.

I think that Hank will join Walt and Jessie, only because he tries to help by covering for him and for no other reason. He sees that Walt and Jessie are about to get busted and goes puts himself at risk to help them escape the law.
There will be some serious emotions when this happens, Hank will be very upset but won't be able to turn Walt in. So, in a way, yes, he will join them.

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Walt? I think Walt has forgot what life was before Heisenberg. His soul is tainted and I think he is going to realize, that you can't just wash it in acetone or vacuum filtrate it to purify it. He wasn't watching Jane die, he was watching Walt die, that was what the tear was for.

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Thanks Linda555. I had a bit of a TUCO moment in my last post. Sorry, sort of,(not really). But a true congrats to all others. There are so many new threads here that I forget where I last posted. Anyone else having that problem? We'll to get onto what I think Hank will do. I think Hank already has somewhat of an idea about Walt and his antics in the back of his anxiety ridden "ID" brain. Hank also knows that he's been dissed by many of his fellow DEA agents. He knows that they make fun of him behind his back. He's just as desperatly proud as Walt is too. There is no way that once he truely discover's that Walt is Heisenberg he will let anyone else know. Think about it. What would happen if they find out that he, who supposedly knows how the "BAD GUYS" work and how they roll, he had no clue as to his own brother in laws antics? He'll have to go to the doc and triple his high blood pressure meds just to calm down. He also admire's Walt in a wierd way. He also love's Walt Jr. Or should I say he love's the way Walt Jr. looks up to him. He really needs Walt Jr. to look up to him. He knows Jr. is the only true person in his life. Jr. has no guile and isn't bullshitting him in any way. Hank would do everything in his power to keep that relationship the way it is. Anyway, that's the way I see it. Could be wrong. Don't care, I got a Breaking Bad Cap comin in the Mail!!!
WaaaHOOOEEEEE!!! Oh ya, Thanks again Clayton!!!!
Tweeds

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